| 00:22.34 | roxfan | interesting, didn't know nuvoton is playing the lpcxpresso game too |
| 00:22.36 | roxfan | http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/NUTINY-SDK-100/NUTINY-SDK-100-ND/2504223 |
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| 13:11.50 | *** topic/#edev is Discussion of embedded systems (Hardware/Software/Linux/Commercial Device Repurposing) : Busybox and Buildroot : http://www.elinux.org |
| 13:59.00 | slashbeast | landley: did you checked the mdev state? I am about to switch to it. |
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| 14:31.49 | landley | slashbeast: the mdev state...? |
| 14:33.29 | slashbeast | landley: you said on lwn that you will check how mdev goes those day |
| 14:33.33 | slashbeast | after the udev+systemd merge |
| 14:33.34 | slashbeast | brb |
| 14:33.46 | landley | slashbeast: I mostly mean I need to do a good mdev in toybox. |
| 14:34.02 | landley | Alas, work's kind of eating my life these days... |
| 14:40.10 | landley | I barely keep track of what busybox is doing these days, and haven't significantly contributed to it in years. |
| 14:40.17 | landley | Due to Bruce. |
| 14:44.48 | mnemoc | go toybox go! |
| 14:50.21 | av500 | [+1] |
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| 15:17.21 | n17ikh | Hey all.. I'm building a kernel for i386 on a 64-bit machine. I ran make i386_defconfig and then make menuconfig |
| 15:17.35 | n17ikh | but menuconfig doesn't show me any i386 processors under the processor family selection |
| 15:17.51 | n17ikh | instead it shows me 64-bit stuff |
| 15:18.02 | n17ikh | Any suggestions? |
| 15:18.10 | prpplague | n17ikh: normally you have to export the correct arch that you are working with |
| 15:18.45 | prpplague | n17ikh: technically since you are on a 64 bit machine and building for i386 you are cross-compiling |
| 15:19.03 | n17ikh | yeah, but my own toolchain should be able to do it.. yes? |
| 15:19.25 | n17ikh | (anyway, I just want menuconfig so I can set up the config file.. I'll be using buildroot's cross compile toolchain to actually build the kernel) |
| 15:19.47 | prpplague | n17ikh: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/compile-32-bit-kernel-on-a-64-bit-machine-677212/ |
| 15:23.11 | n17ikh | Ah, thanks |
| 15:24.04 | n17ikh | it's really frustrating to run "make i386_defconfig" and then have the very first line in .config be CONFIG_64BIT=y |
| 15:24.30 | n17ikh | my google-fu was failing me though. |
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| 15:25.37 | landley | Heh. I'd love to spend a year working on toybox full-time, but alas I'm putting my wife through college and we just bought a larger house. |
| 15:26.03 | kergoth | does toybox have ls yet, or is that still in the pipeline? /me hasn't kept up |
| 15:27.06 | landley | kergoth: it's got most of an ls. |
| 15:27.12 | landley | About half the flags implemented. |
| 15:27.22 | landley | Does ls -R and such. |
| 15:27.37 | landley | That's actually what I was working on the past couple weeks, on and off. |
| 15:29.23 | kergoth | ah, nice |
| 15:34.52 | landley | There turns out to be _buckets_ of fiddly special-case behavior in ls, but if you line up the code just right most of 'em fall out naturally. |
| 15:35.55 | prpplague | anyone seen cosmic around lately? |
| 15:36.15 | landley | For example, ls -l "file dir file" shows the two files, doesn't show the dir, then it separately lists the dir with a header showing the dirname. |
| 15:36.36 | kergoth | odd |
| 15:36.43 | landley | But "ls -l onedir" shows the dir, including the directory entries in it, but does _not_ give a dirname header. |
| 15:37.09 | landley | But if you list _two_ directories ala "ls -l . subdir" then it gives a dirname header on both. |
| 15:37.40 | landley | And so on, and so forth. Lotsa fiddly little weirdness, but I've got the basics down now I think. |
| 15:38.12 | landley | I need to find a weekend to cut a release... |
| 15:45.33 | slashbeast | landley: I found a patch to make mdadm build cleanly on uclibc but the issue still remain |
| 15:45.54 | slashbeast | and I am pretty desperated with the not working mdadm |
| 16:07.35 | alex4nder | sup |
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| 17:05.39 | slashbeast | landley: have you tried build aboriginal with newer gcc? I am trying to build with 4.4.7 but it failing hard with: /bin/bash: i686-walrus-linux-ar: command not found |
| 17:05.58 | slashbeast | landley: I believe autotools are more retarted that I though in first place... |
| 17:06.26 | slashbeast | landley: the major difference between buildroot and aboriginal is that buildroot by default is with 4.5 and aboriginal 4.2. |
| 17:13.58 | landley | slashbeast: Somewhere I have patches to build with 4.4 I think. |
| 17:14.12 | landley | I haven't followed up on it much because the results would be GPLv3 thus I would never distribute binaries, so what's the point? |
| 17:14.35 | landley | I don't think this is a compiler issue, I think it's either a uClibc or kernel .config issue. |
| 17:15.24 | landley | Sorry I haven't finished debugging it yet but between the kernel upgrade, the uCLibc upgrade, the need to upgrade uClibc++, the fedora build break (which is really a ccache is installed by default build break, I think, and also broke record-commands.sh.) |
| 17:15.34 | landley | Plus needing to track down why gentoo is unhappy... |
| 17:15.40 | landley | Oh and a new busybox just dropped. |
| 17:15.55 | landley | Plus toybox taking up more than half my spare time, of which I have very little because we're packing to move to the new house... |
| 17:16.06 | landley | It's been an interesting month. |
| 17:16.17 | landley | Did I mention I missed 3 1/2 days of work last week due to illness? |
| 17:16.53 | landley | And now I've got to go back to banging on day job thing that's overdue... |
| 17:24.09 | slashbeast | landley: If you could find the patches that would be great. I want to make the error surface smaller, maybe the gcc is to blame, no idea. |
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| 20:13.32 | wmat | landley: just thought I'd let you know that elinux.org is now licensed as CC SA 3.0. If I recall correctly, you weren't a fan of the GFDL, correct? |
| 20:18.24 | n17ikh | is there any bootloader that can boot a kernel contained in a squashfs? |
| 20:20.19 | landley | n17ikh I expect grub can do it if you hum the katamari damacy themesong. |
| 20:20.33 | n17ikh | insert grub2 joke here |
| 20:20.43 | slashbeast | grub2 is a joke. |
| 20:20.53 | landley | wmat: I've largely been distancing myself from FSF/GNU anything. I trust them about as far as I could comfortably spit out a rat. |
| 20:21.10 | landley | Creative Commons is actually a project gutenberg spinoff that predates the FSF. |
| 20:21.11 | wmat | landley: that seems to be a fairly common position |
| 20:21.15 | n17ikh | alternatively, suggestions for a read-only filesystem that can be booted directly by grub or uboot |
| 20:22.01 | landley | I actually looked into creative commonsing toybox when I relicensed it instead of BSD, but CC0 isn't really designed for software and 2-clause bsd was just plain the most _simple_ license out there. |
| 20:22.08 | landley | misses actual public domain stuff. |
| 20:22.26 | landley | The commodore 64 extras pack! Jim Butterfield wasn't even a commodore employee. |
| 20:22.27 | slashbeast | n17ikh: initramfs into kernel image onto raw storage? |
| 20:22.45 | slashbeast | I am pretty sure you can dd kernel image to disk and boot it. |
| 20:22.47 | landley | (At least he said he wasn't when I tracked him down a few years ago via email, right after he got cataract surgery and resurfaced on the internet because he could _see_ again...) |
| 20:23.05 | n17ikh | slashbeast: yeah, that might work |
| 20:23.11 | landley | slashbeast: problem is loading the kernel image. |
| 20:23.46 | landley | Generally people just put the kernel in FAT, because it's simple. IT's the CP/M filesystem, as appropriated by The Law Offices of Small And Limp, Esquire circa 1980. |
| 20:23.58 | landley | But then initramfs is pretty good, yes. |
| 20:24.26 | landley | In theory you could loopback mount squashfs out of fat if you really wanted to. Modulo the 2 gig filesize limitation it might even work. Not sure it's a win... |
| 20:25.49 | n17ikh | I was hoping to keep it simple. Right now it's a single-partition, boot from ext2 read-only with grub sort of thing |
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