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| 13:56.33 | landley | Morning. |
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| 15:45.54 | Mirell | 'allo landley |
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| 16:00.15 | landley | Mirell: hiya. |
| 16:00.31 | landley | I missed Diane Franklin at the drafthouse yesterday. :( |
| 16:00.41 | landley | (She played Monette in Better off Dead, which they showed.) |
| 16:00.53 | landley | We were packing out the condo. We've still got like 3 loads of stuff there... |
| 16:01.00 | landley | How goes with you? |
| 16:06.52 | Mirell | BusyBusy |
| 16:07.00 | Mirell | Recovering from Boston trip. |
| 16:17.14 | landley | I should get food. I haven't actually eaten anything yet today... |
| 16:34.00 | slashbeast | switched his desktop from udev to mdev. o/ |
| 16:36.31 | av500 | \o/ |
| 16:36.55 | prpplague | darnit, where is cosmic when you need him |
| 16:37.20 | landley | slashbeast: woot. |
| 16:37.27 | landley | So what did you actually have to do? |
| 16:37.40 | landley | You tweeted about needing to poke some x11 thing... |
| 16:38.12 | slashbeast | landley: yeah, as the evdev (most common driver for inputs) need udev I had to switch for old fashion config |
| 16:38.23 | slashbeast | but was easier after I readed man xorg.conf and found autoserverlayout switch. ;-) |
| 16:38.58 | landley | If you could write up what's actually needed, I'd be interested to know. |
| 16:38.58 | slashbeast | https://gist.github.com/2628853 my xorg.conf.d. |
| 16:39.12 | slashbeast | landley: I am doing it right now, at https://github.com/slashbeast/mdev-like-a-boss |
| 16:39.15 | landley | Was that the only thing? |
| 16:39.20 | slashbeast | with xorg? Yes |
| 16:39.29 | landley | I meant with getting a desktop working with mdev. |
| 16:39.41 | landley | I'm wondering what needs to be added to mdev to make it seamless, and if it's worth it... |
| 16:39.49 | landley | needs to do an mdev in toybox... |
| 16:39.50 | slashbeast | pretty much, next was auto module loading script and last was a script to create /dev/mapper/* |
| 16:40.01 | slashbeast | its definitly worth it |
| 16:40.39 | slashbeast | landley: mdev is pretty much damn good, My desktop have stacked fs (raw > dmcrypt > lvm > ext) and everything is all right after I provided /dev/mapper/* symlinks |
| 16:40.41 | landley | I'd like to do a toybox+musl+x11 desktop system. |
| 16:40.53 | slashbeast | should be possible |
| 16:40.55 | landley | Dunno if xfce or fvwm or what should be the desktop. |
| 16:41.00 | landley | Fluxbox, dunno... |
| 16:41.10 | slashbeast | I just re-emerged my system with USE='-udev', feel awesome. |
| 16:41.16 | slashbeast | I use openbox+tint2. |
| 16:41.18 | landley | I"ve pretty much gone with xfce as the simplest option Ubuntu and friends offer... |
| 16:41.39 | landley | Sigh. It'd be nice if funtoo actually took off... |
| 16:41.51 | slashbeast | yeah... |
| 16:42.05 | landley | Ever since my gentoo system ate itself (went 3 months without doing an upgrade, then the resulting upgrade went weird), I don't quite trust mainstream gentoo anymore... |
| 16:42.18 | slashbeast | I am working on microportage, to provide a portage-like system (useflags etc) with goals like 100% posix sh compatible |
| 16:42.19 | landley | Plus getting x11 working on gentoo is something I've never actually succeeded in doing... |
| 16:42.32 | landley | You should poke drobbins. He'd love it. |
| 16:42.50 | slashbeast | now his prio is desktop, which is odd |
| 16:42.54 | landley | I think there's a #funtoo on here... |
| 16:43.12 | landley | Developer workstation. |
| 16:43.32 | landley | That was always one of the strengths of gentoo, a system designed to let you replace packages built from source. |
| 16:43.51 | slashbeast | Setting xorg is pretty streight forward, unless you do typo in config. When I was experimenting with xorg.conf.d and I put 'SendCoreEvent' 'On' for mouse, X freeze after start. |
| 16:43.59 | slashbeast | that wasn't cool. |
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| 16:44.18 | landley | Server and embedded are the obvious other two, but developer workstation is actually what gets you _developers_... |
| 16:44.28 | landley | If you have to develop gentoo from an ubuntu system, you're going to stop working on gentoo eventually. |
| 16:45.10 | landley | And these days, a workstation needs to be able to view youtube at minimum. |
| 16:46.54 | slashbeast | sadly flash is in sad state, you cant use it with uclibc. |
| 16:50.03 | av500 | why not? |
| 16:50.39 | slashbeast | its linked to libc.so.6. |
| 16:50.48 | av500 | stupid |
| 16:50.51 | av500 | right :) |
| 16:51.05 | landley | Static linking, people. Know it, love it, use it. |
| 16:51.22 | landley | Take a picture of yourself giving the finger and send it to Ulrich Drepper, while you're at it. |
| 16:51.26 | slashbeast | udev/kmod/systemd developers says that static linking is so '80. |
| 16:51.46 | slashbeast | thats what I got after asking them to fix kmod build scripts to support LDFLAGS (I put -static there). |
| 16:51.52 | landley | udev is kay sievers and Greg Kroah-Hartmann, and as far as I know neither has anything against static linking. |
| 16:51.57 | landley | systemd is lennart pottering, who is nuts. |
| 16:52.04 | landley | kmod... wasn't that Rusty? |
| 16:52.06 | landley | Rusty's cool. |
| 16:52.29 | slashbeast | I needed a static modprobe with support for -a, until today I though busybox does not support it. |
| 16:52.45 | slashbeast | today I found that it can support -a and -b, so my script to auto-load all needed modules works. |
| 16:53.06 | landley | Yeah, busybox added support for that a while ago. |
| 16:53.17 | landley | Back when I was still paying attention. :) |
| 16:53.34 | slashbeast | looking forward for toybox supporting it |
| 16:53.37 | landley | slashbeast: so where did this xorg come from? Presumably you didn't do all that inputdevice stuff by hand... |
| 16:53.41 | landley | slashbeast: me too. |
| 16:53.48 | landley | The difference is, I have to _do_ it. :) |
| 16:54.22 | slashbeast | landley: the gist paste above. Xorg support xorg.conf.d dir, where you can put some configs. I dont have xorg.conf at all |
| 16:54.31 | landley | slashbeast: I'm vaguely thinking I should do a http://landley.net/aboriginal/control-images for "basic desktop support" on top of aboriginal. |
| 16:54.34 | slashbeast | what I posted is simple 3 files with touchpad, mouse and keyboard |
| 16:54.44 | landley | Which would obviously be mdev based if I have any say in the matter... |
| 16:54.47 | slashbeast | landley: ... after you debug mdadm? ;pp |
| 16:54.56 | landley | slashbeast: it's about 15th on my todo list. |
| 16:55.05 | landley | But I take notes when interesting things wander by... |
| 16:55.11 | slashbeast | haha sure. |
| 16:55.27 | slashbeast | anyway, mdev is working pretty well. I heard some people run full blown gnome3 desktop with it |
| 16:55.39 | landley | Cool. |
| 16:55.57 | slashbeast | the downside is that mdev does not care about renaming network interfaces, you need to use ifrename from wireless-tools for it. |
| 16:56.09 | slashbeast | like locking eth0 for specified mac address |
| 16:56.31 | landley | Thank the bsd guys for that one. |
| 16:56.40 | landley | Network interfaces don't create /dev nodes. :P |
| 16:56.49 | slashbeast | true that |
| 16:56.58 | slashbeast | its not like big issue anyway, can be scripted |
| 16:57.03 | landley | I do note that toybox's mdev will probably require devtmpfs. |
| 16:57.08 | landley | Since that now exists and all... |
| 16:57.21 | slashbeast | busybox mdev wipe devtmpfs when it start ;p |
| 16:57.27 | slashbeast | as far as I can see. |
| 16:57.53 | landley | Huh. It shouldn't. |
| 16:58.08 | landley | Then again I'm ~5 years out of date on what they've done with it, so... |
| 16:58.24 | slashbeast | well my initramfs use devtmpfs and move dev to /newroot/dev, so the /dev/mapper/* exist, when mdev run -s, the /dev/mapper is wiped |
| 16:58.27 | landley | Huh: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev |
| 16:58.55 | slashbeast | yeah I tried to fix this docs but I was overwhelmed by the stupidness like with the evdev... |
| 16:59.09 | slashbeast | so I though I will just but my funcy notes on github |
| 16:59.53 | landley | You linked to an xorg config chunk, I didn't see notes... |
| 16:59.56 | slashbeast | also the linuxrc part is wrong, as the /etc/init.d/mdev have 'need sysfs' |
| 17:00.10 | slashbeast | not yet commited, It will be there in about an hour. |
| 17:00.46 | landley | If you could email me a link when you do, I'd appreciate it. |
| 17:00.54 | landley | I may have to head home to pick up a part I left there this morning. :P |
| 17:01.20 | slashbeast | sure I will |
| 17:01.21 | slashbeast | ;-) |
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