| 00:06.57 | flyback_ | http://members.iinet.net.au/~pterren/FlybackTV250W.jpg <-- for anyone else after 10 yrs who doesn't know WTF my nick means |
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| 01:13.23 | alex4nder | yoh |
| 01:13.44 | flyback_ | prpplague: |
| 01:13.48 | flyback_ | this just made my life |
| 01:13.54 | flyback_ | http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2012/05/12/oops-5-ceos-that-should-have-already-been-fired-cisco-ge-walmart-sears-microsoft/3/ |
| 01:15.28 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 01:16.31 | flyback_ | sunrunner20: |
| 01:16.32 | flyback_ | ltns |
| 01:16.37 | flyback_ | hugs sunrunner20 |
| 01:17.00 | flyback_ | prpplague: so what do you think about the fact nxp is releasing cortex m0's in dip for < $1 and st is planning similiar low cost |
| 01:17.07 | sunrunner20 | ? |
| 01:17.14 | flyback_ | it's fishhead your old friend |
| 01:17.23 | sunrunner20 | finally got a job! |
| 01:17.30 | sunrunner20 | hows your life going? |
| 01:17.34 | flyback_ | half half |
| 01:17.43 | flyback_ | body is breaking down and going senile at 38 |
| 01:17.57 | flyback_ | but about ready to start learning to code some mcu's and finally use my ppc boards etc |
| 01:18.04 | sunrunner20 | nice |
| 01:20.01 | sunrunner20 | I'm doing mortgage proccessing atm, but hopeing to transfer to IT within 6mo |
| 01:22.04 | flyback_ | cool |
| 01:22.24 | flyback_ | I help a computer consulting place but also their vm hosting business |
| 01:22.28 | flyback_ | in fact today was a mess |
| 01:22.34 | flyback_ | one of the 2 main ups's took a shit |
| 01:22.50 | flyback_ | and because it does voltage conversion lost half of the 20 blades, fortunitely only a few are used anymore so we just moved them to bank 1 |
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| 01:23.02 | flyback_ | but also took out a bunch of other servers and network storage I had to hack back together |
| 01:23.38 | sunrunner20 | ouch, what'd it do, dump 220 into 110v systems? |
| 01:23.44 | flyback_ | no |
| 01:23.49 | flyback_ | it was a always on delta convert |
| 01:23.56 | flyback_ | so it just cut the power when it died |
| 01:24.14 | flyback_ | like I said most everything could run on 110 or 220 |
| 01:24.19 | flyback_ | but the blades are 208v |
| 01:24.45 | sunrunner20 | weird |
| 01:36.53 | prpplague | this is by far the worst installation of ubuntu i have ever seen |
| 01:36.57 | prpplague | 12.04 sucks |
| 01:37.45 | kergoth` | happily switched to arch recently due to ubuntu suckage |
| 01:38.00 | prpplague | kergoth`: oh? |
| 01:38.12 | prpplague | kergoth`: how do you like it so far? |
| 01:38.16 | prpplague | googles |
| 01:38.29 | kergoth` | it's lovely. nice and simple. refreshing. reminds me of using linux 15 years ago, but in a good way |
| 01:38.43 | prpplague | hmm |
| 01:38.45 | ohsix | don't do it |
| 01:38.46 | prpplague | i might have to try that |
| 01:38.47 | kergoth` | no sysv init symlinks, there's a flat list of scripts to run a variable in /etc/rc.conf |
| 01:39.02 | kergoth` | s/a var/in a var/ |
| 01:39.07 | prpplague | 12.04 is just plain crap |
| 01:39.09 | ohsix | they only recently switched from HZ=300 to NO_HZ and hrtimers, think about what other stupid shit is hiding in there |
| 01:39.31 | prpplague | i am very frustrated with ubuntu |
| 01:39.46 | prpplague | they keep breaking crap, and they keep switching the gui to crap |
| 01:39.49 | ohsix | everyone is |
| 01:39.59 | ohsix | and with gnome3, it's just a bad season |
| 01:40.27 | prpplague | 10.04 was almost completely what i needed |
| 01:40.34 | prpplague | only very minor breakage |
| 01:40.44 | prpplague | why or why can't they just build on that? |
| 01:41.36 | prpplague | i feel like ranting on the #ubuntu channel, but fat chance that would do any good other than make me feel better |
| 01:41.50 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 01:42.01 | kergoth` | heh, i'm sure that channel sees that sort of thing on a daily basis |
| 01:42.34 | SpeedEvil | This is one reason I wish I had a billion pounds. |
| 01:42.46 | SpeedEvil | Pay people to make open-source software like _I_ want it. |
| 01:43.09 | ohsix | you can still install slackware 3 \m/ |
| 01:43.15 | SpeedEvil | ohsix: Well - yes. |
| 01:43.43 | prpplague | goes back and installs 10.04 instead |
| 01:43.56 | SpeedEvil | ohsix: Unfortunately, unless you're barking mad, you probably want a browser that will render current web pages. |
| 01:44.15 | ohsix | nah you can't take the good with the bad, you want the bad because you hate the future :] |
| 01:44.21 | SpeedEvil | ohsix: Then there are teh fun problems that there are major security holes in old stuff. |
| 01:44.38 | ohsix | they're not real problems, gnome3 sux!!111 (i'm being facetious) |
| 01:45.23 | ohsix | people take very specific positions, hating each individual component of the new era they don't like |
| 01:45.44 | SpeedEvil | There is a degree to which 'the new sucks' |
| 01:45.50 | ohsix | yet when they're told they can run software as it is, at that moment; and ignore it, somehow that's not acceptable either, though they've been doing it for some time |
| 01:45.57 | SpeedEvil | But in general, that's not my main objection. |
| 01:46.04 | ohsix | i'm not even talking about the shell, you can change the shell |
| 01:46.19 | SpeedEvil | Deprecated stuff tends to get pulled. |
| 01:46.28 | SpeedEvil | For example - I have a powersaving wifi chipset in my laptop. |
| 01:46.31 | ohsix | so step up as a maintainer |
| 01:46.32 | SpeedEvil | It always worked for me. |
| 01:46.44 | ohsix | are you talking about intel disowning lwlang? |
| 01:46.46 | SpeedEvil | It diddn't work for some others - with microcode crashes. |
| 01:47.02 | ohsix | or bcmwl |
| 01:47.07 | prpplague | i have never had so much trouble installing linux before |
| 01:47.07 | SpeedEvil | iwl3945 |
| 01:47.25 | SpeedEvil | So - it got deprecated - and then pulled, over the course of a couple of kernel versions. |
| 01:47.34 | SpeedEvil | = my laptop doesn't powersave on wifi anymore. |
| 01:47.52 | SpeedEvil | And yes, in principle, I could spend 3-24 hours trying to back the code back in. |
| 01:47.57 | SpeedEvil | And possibly failing. |
| 01:48.04 | ohsix | one big misconception that i had, and lots of people have; is that it supports old hardware. linux doesn't support old hardware, people with that hardware support old hardware |
| 01:48.33 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 01:48.42 | SpeedEvil | Testing on old hardware is probelmatic for most devs. |
| 01:49.32 | ohsix | churn in the linux kernel that basically gave a driver "Class" to a bunch of stuff that was only supported by special char drivers lead to a lot of them getting deprecated too, nobody noticed |
| 01:50.26 | SpeedEvil | I'm sure a large fraction of those still using those drivers have stuck at a kernel version where their hardware works. |
| 01:50.45 | SpeedEvil | Which admittedly may be a small number of people per driver. |
| 01:50.53 | sunrunner20 | oh god, installing linux on my 12 year old laptop was impossible |
| 01:50.55 | ohsix | people get invested in finally figuring out how to do something ... one way, but a wrong way; and are apopleptic when what they've been doing for x years was always stupid, but now there's a better way to do it |
| 01:50.57 | sunrunner20 | and with that, goodnight |
| 01:51.25 | SpeedEvil | Not all change is good. |
| 01:51.29 | SpeedEvil | Like not all change is bad. |
| 01:51.40 | ohsix | change has no alignment |
| 01:51.53 | ohsix | but you don't get out of local minima without it |
| 01:52.03 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 01:52.07 | flyback_ | i'm a little miffed at all the distros that abandoned i586 |
| 01:52.21 | flyback_ | but at least there's voyage linux although I am going to have to compile in the ide drivers manually |
| 01:52.26 | flyback_ | not for desktop or server but embedded |
| 01:52.31 | ohsix | use drives change, if you are the last guy using something that way, and you refuse to support it (or can't,) there it goes |
| 01:53.05 | SpeedEvil | But making things 10% easier for new users, and 100% more difficult for established users, with no way to back out that change can be deeply annoying. |
| 01:53.30 | SpeedEvil | See for example the various attempts to eliminate files. |
| 01:53.57 | ohsix | no perspective on that |
| 01:55.18 | flyback_ | btw if anyone is insterested in my parallel flash programmer from a old mediatek optical drive chipset hack, let me know |
| 01:55.26 | flyback_ | I will be posting lists of known drives etc |
| 01:59.25 | ohsix | computers are cheap, it's not worth the effort unless you're emotionally attached |
| 02:00.10 | alex4nder | prpplague: I got my coolant setup up and running.. time to CNC machine some board enclosures. |
| 02:00.13 | flyback_ | ohsix: no |
| 02:00.19 | flyback_ | this is for programming parallel flash chips |
| 02:00.21 | prpplague | alex4nder: dandy |
| 02:00.22 | flyback_ | for projects |
| 02:00.27 | flyback_ | or older mcu's that don't have isp flash |
| 02:00.43 | prpplague | wmat: ding ping |
| 02:00.45 | flyback_ | nothing to do with optical drives other than mediatek's "firmware recovery mode" can be abused |
| 02:00.47 | prpplague | wmat: you get paid? |
| 02:00.48 | ohsix | i was expouding on the existing topic of which i kind of started |
| 02:00.55 | flyback_ | and there's patched for flashrom tool |
| 02:01.24 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 02:01.32 | prpplague | grumbles that he needs to do a gui app |
| 02:01.39 | prpplague | hates writing gui apps |
| 02:02.19 | ohsix | use guile and vala |
| 02:02.38 | ohsix | er not guile, derp, glade |
| 02:03.11 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:03.31 | prpplague | ohsix: indeed that is my plan, but i have used glade in literally years |
| 02:03.42 | prpplague | so i'll have to go back learn how to do a few things |
| 02:03.56 | prpplague | seriously i'd almost pay someone for this |
| 02:04.01 | ohsix | i'm still looking for an excuse to give vala a spin |
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| 02:04.57 | prpplague | ohsix: was it designed by someone with a large beard? |
| 02:05.29 | ohsix | nope |
| 02:05.42 | prpplague | ohsix: oh well it is doomed to failure then..... |
| 02:05.44 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:05.56 | prpplague | ohsix: you know about that old joke right? |
| 02:06.21 | ohsix | yea |
| 02:06.31 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:06.41 | ohsix | it's basically just a language with gobjects as first class objects |
| 02:06.47 | prpplague | does a test install of arch linux |
| 02:07.21 | ohsix | dooom |
| 02:08.56 | prpplague | i really screwed my desktop up when i was install virtual box |
| 02:09.08 | flyback_ | I bought a dual opeteron server for $120 |
| 02:09.09 | prpplague | i accidentally did a chmod on /usr |
| 02:09.11 | prpplague | doh |
| 02:09.14 | flyback_ | replaced the 2 cpu's for $50 |
| 02:09.16 | calculus | everybody uses swing for gui apps :P |
| 02:09.26 | flyback_ | now they are dual core, less power and have a feature that allows 64 bit vm's without amd-v |
| 02:09.31 | flyback_ | and $50 raid card |
| 02:09.32 | prpplague | i actually like fltk |
| 02:09.38 | flyback_ | cause I found out th ehard way the onboard sata is canucked |
| 02:09.49 | flyback_ | I will have again a vmware vsphere 4.1 server |
| 02:09.53 | flyback_ | that can run vm's |
| 02:09.55 | flyback_ | to compile sw |
| 02:10.04 | flyback_ | no more having to deal with cross compiling paths, lib errors etc |
| 02:10.06 | prpplague | kergoth`: hey bud, attending any conferences soon? |
| 02:10.09 | flyback_ | it's like just make a vm |
| 02:10.17 | prpplague | kergoth`: i didn't get to buy you any beer last time |
| 02:10.51 | flyback_ | bbl needs a break after emergency work at work late and helping 20 people on irc, bbl |
| 02:10.56 | calculus | prpplague: or me |
| 02:11.44 | prpplague | calculus: hehehe |
| 02:11.55 | prpplague | calculus: last time was just too crazy short |
| 02:12.01 | prpplague | calculus: i only had a couple days |
| 02:12.11 | prpplague | calculus: i hadn't even planned to go |
| 02:12.50 | ohsix | why would you need a vm to do that, chroots are old news; with debian(ubuntu)/fedora it's super easy to make a minimal one just for builds too |
| 02:13.06 | prpplague | calculus: just fyi, if you know anyone, i am still looking for a maintainer/developer for my arduino-for-userspace-linux project |
| 02:13.30 | calculus | prpplague: haven't heard of that project of yours |
| 02:13.39 | calculus | is it like qemu but for avr |
| 02:14.08 | flyback_ | that's some slick shit |
| 02:14.08 | flyback_ | heh |
| 02:14.11 | prpplague | calculus: basically allows you to compile any standard arduino sketch(yea that is what they call it) into a elf executable under linux |
| 02:14.57 | ohsix | they use the chroots on the build machines so you can imagine how fit for purpose they are ;] |
| 02:15.05 | calculus | prpplague: how do the shields fit in? e.g. if a sketch says light an led when this happens |
| 02:15.51 | prpplague | calculus: you can map the specific gpio on the device , i.e. lets say you are on the pandaboard, you can map gpio_121 to the gpio_1 on the arduino |
| 02:16.12 | prpplague | calculus: so any time it tries to access gpio_1 on the arduino, it acctually uses gpio_121 on the panda |
| 02:17.08 | calculus | prpplague: sounds interesting... do you have an elinux page? |
| 02:18.02 | prpplague | calculus: naw, just the github repo |
| 02:18.30 | prpplague | https://github.com/prpplague/Arduino-for-Userspace-Linux |
| 02:18.52 | prpplague | needs a lot of work, just don't have time |
| 02:23.13 | prpplague | calculus: if you know anyone, send them my way |
| 02:40.38 | calculus | prpplague: project bookmarked, I will keep it in mind |
| 02:40.53 | prpplague | thanks |
| 02:41.15 | prpplague | calculus: it is a worthy project, just i can't spend as much time on it as i would like |
| 02:41.16 | calculus | prpplague: side note, your pixel qi lcd kit looks cool |
| 02:41.35 | calculus | and the other lcd kit |
| 02:41.38 | prpplague | calculus: getting ready to do some videos on it with some hacks and such |
| 02:42.15 | prpplague | calculus: going to make a "ghetto" laptop |
| 02:42.57 | SpeedEvil | I wish more stuff had pixel displays in |
| 02:43.27 | prpplague | the kits aren't selling as quickly as we had hoped |
| 02:43.30 | SpeedEvil | I want a cheap(ish) android tablet that I can use outdoors. |
| 02:43.35 | prpplague | hopefully the videos will help |
| 02:43.35 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 02:44.02 | prpplague | SpeedEvil:you can build up one with the pixel qi pretty quickly |
| 02:44.11 | SpeedEvil | In principle yes. |
| 02:44.17 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: that is one of the items i have on my list for videos |
| 02:44.37 | SpeedEvil | I've got so little energy at the moment that I have perhaps 10-20 minutes free to work on stuff. |
| 02:44.44 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:44.52 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: preaching to the choir |
| 02:44.52 | SpeedEvil | And that's being dominated by form-filling for the government. |
| 02:45.43 | SpeedEvil | Argh. |
| 02:45.55 | SpeedEvil | Just realised I need to get out of bed (3:45AM) and put the bins out. |
| 02:46.53 | prpplague | bins? firmware or executables? hehe |
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| 02:50.59 | SpeedEvil | Large plastic wheeled containers containing organic recyclables, and landfill stuff |
| 02:51.12 | calculus | speaking of arduinos, Maker Faire is this weekend |
| 02:51.46 | calculus | Bay Area, San Mateo |
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| 19:31.04 | prpplague | was it ever posted as to the cause of death for david brownell |
| 19:31.57 | alex4nder | I didn't see anything, just that he had passed |
| 19:41.34 | prpplague | alex4nder: yea me either, there were tons of posts and a bunch of people asking how he died, with no answer |
| 19:41.41 | prpplague | alex4nder: i could not find an obit either |
| 19:41.47 | alex4nder | yup |
| 19:57.24 | flyback_ | who is that |
| 19:57.28 | flyback_ | david brownell |
| 19:57.32 | flyback_ | someone on irc I knew? |
| 19:58.36 | alex4nder | someone whose code you probably run |
| 20:01.24 | flyback_ | did he have a alias |
| 20:01.55 | flyback_ | oh he's been dead for a while |
| 20:02.07 | prpplague | flyback_: google - david brownell linux |
| 20:02.21 | flyback_ | still remeber the day found out that "mortin" of apushardware was taken off life support and the day lilo died |
| 20:02.22 | flyback_ | :( |
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| 20:27.12 | flyback_ | wins the ebay server board auction :) |
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