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| 02:14.09 | sorphin | prpplague: yo |
| 02:24.23 | landley | Yay, got -C and -x implemented in toybox ls. |
| 02:24.36 | landley | That was far fiddlier than the feature is worth, but the standard requires it and I wanted to do it right... |
| 02:29.17 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 02:29.24 | prpplague | sorphin: hey bud |
| 02:31.16 | landley | Die faster, oratroll: http://lwn.net/Articles/499572/rss |
| 02:33.57 | prpplague | nice! |
| 02:34.12 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 02:34.26 | SpeedEvil | if only all judges could be comparably sane. |
| 02:35.51 | prpplague | indeed |
| 02:38.13 | landley | This judge programs. |
| 02:38.37 | landley | He commented in court that he'd implemented the code snippet being discussed a hundred times in different languages. |
| 02:38.48 | landley | And was in the process of teachign himself Java during the trial. |
| 02:39.58 | landley | Oh no. http://lwn.net/Articles/499125/ |
| 02:40.04 | landley | I am so, so sorry I ever opened tha tcan of worms. |
| 02:41.54 | roxfan | The page you have tried to view (SFC expands license compliance efforts) is currently available to LWN subscribers only. |
| 02:46.12 | landley | Oh, the judge being clueful: http://lwn.net/Articles/497346/ |
| 02:46.22 | prpplague | landley: yea i read about that judge |
| 02:46.28 | landley | roxfan: go to lwn.net, the summary is the first thing. |
| 02:46.32 | prpplague | landley: he really seemed to understand |
| 02:46.46 | prpplague | landley: yea i am still doing a bunch of compliance stuff |
| 02:46.47 | landley | Since I'm taking busybox away from the sfc they've signed up a bunch of kernel and samba guys to hit people with. |
| 02:46.53 | prpplague | landley: but i am not doing the way they are |
| 02:47.00 | landley | prpplague: well I can get you clean userspace. |
| 02:47.06 | landley | Can't do anything about samba. |
| 02:47.25 | landley | I no longer consider license compliance to be a good idea. |
| 02:47.27 | prpplague | landley: sorry i did not understand your statement |
| 02:47.34 | landley | I'm not sure I consider _copyright_ to be a good idea anymore. |
| 02:47.35 | prpplague | ahh |
| 02:47.59 | landley | It is so badly broken we're approaching the "burn it down and start over from scratch" level of broken. |
| 02:48.22 | landley | Last year the RIAA demanded more money in damages from their lawsuit against Limewire than the gross national product of the entire planet. |
| 02:48.25 | prpplague | landley: yea, i've been mainly pinging the ones that are very blatant about it |
| 02:49.01 | landley | http://www.pcworld.com/article/223431/riaa_thinks_limewire_owes_75_trillion_in_damages.html |
| 02:49.07 | prpplague | landley: i'm not demanding money or anything, just source |
| 02:49.22 | landley | I'm to the point where I don't care about getting other people's source. |
| 02:49.33 | landley | It's easier to decompile or simply reverse engineer it. |
| 02:50.21 | prpplague | yea, the only ones i have concern with on that are the ones where not all the datasheets for the SoC are available |
| 02:50.37 | landley | I've reverse engineered hardware before. |
| 02:51.13 | landley | And really, "here's the source, but not the encryption key to the ROM bootloader that blows a fuse to brick the device"... |
| 02:51.25 | prpplague | landley: yea, me too, but these days, as long as i can get the kernel source reasonably quickly i am ok |
| 02:51.31 | prpplague | landley: yea, i am not on that level |
| 02:51.39 | prpplague | landley: and most of the folks i am after aren't either |
| 02:51.40 | landley | And if they forbid that, say hello to phones that load their OS from the network each boot. |
| 02:52.12 | prpplague | landley: you know me, it is mostly about kids toys |
| 02:52.30 | prpplague | http://elinux.org/InnoTab |
| 02:52.36 | prpplague | latest fun |
| 02:53.01 | landley | I've been playing Clicky Game, I.E. Diablo III on Fade's macintosh. |
| 02:53.08 | landley | It's built using the WOW engine. |
| 02:53.29 | landley | Even though the previous games were standalone, this one is a World of Warcraft derivative with the diablo graphics and plot. |
| 02:53.35 | landley | You log into a server to play. Standalone. |
| 02:53.57 | prpplague | ahh |
| 02:54.05 | landley | Did they do this to make piracy darn hard, or did they do this because they have a big WoW dev team and just leveraged the in-house guys rather than write new code? |
| 02:54.07 | landley | Dunno. |
| 02:54.13 | landley | Net result is you can't play when the server is down. |
| 02:54.36 | prpplague | yea my kids are into minecraft |
| 02:54.37 | landley | And there's questions about how _long_ the game will last. (I can dig up diablo 1 and play it right now. But when the diablo 3 servers go down, that's it...) |
| 02:54.40 | prpplague | i've setup a server for them |
| 02:55.01 | landley | I've got a minecraft server set up for fade and her friends. |
| 02:55.18 | landley | My neices and nephews are also big into it. |
| 02:55.37 | landley | In theory notch could open the source. In practice, hasn't stopped people from modding it without the source. |
| 02:55.46 | landley | Lack of source doesn't slow the mod community down... |
| 02:56.21 | prpplague | indeed |
| 02:57.11 | prpplague | landley: well so far in the last five years, i've not actually had to do any actual "legal" work other than send a demand letter |
| 02:57.41 | prpplague | landley: all of them have come into compliance once i made the request to the right people |
| 02:57.55 | prpplague | landley: most of the time the drones on the phone support and such have no clue |
| 03:00.48 | roxfan | lol slashdot http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2883667&cid=40155249 |
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| 03:09.30 | prpplague | hehehe |
| 03:09.47 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.20 | prpplague | there are newbies, script kiddies, and these days for the folks on /. , professional script kiddies |
| 03:10.43 | landley | SIGH. |
| 03:10.54 | prpplague | beyond clueless |
| 03:11.03 | landley | Actually logged into slashdot, for the first time since Taco left. |
| 03:12.05 | prpplague | landley: responding? |
| 03:13.14 | prpplague | landley: i never respond to that stuff anymore |
| 03:21.08 | prpplague | roxfan: i sent that to Tim, he'll get a good laugh out of that |
| 04:04.18 | landley | oh hey, there's a new way for chrome to screw itself up. No scrollbars anymore. |
| 04:04.20 | landley | Thanks chrome! |
| 04:12.14 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 04:46.25 | sorphin | prpplague: still here? sorry, got distracted elsewhere |
| 04:47.07 | prpplague | yea |
| 04:47.25 | sorphin | prpplague: how do I report a nonsharethesourcelinuxusingcompany? |
| 04:47.40 | prpplague | hehe |
| 04:47.41 | sorphin | or rather, who to |
| 04:47.45 | prpplague | sshhhhh |
| 04:47.52 | prpplague | don't let landley hear you |
| 04:48.00 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:48.35 | prpplague | sorphin: it all depends on who it is , what proof you have you have and how much work you want to do |
| 04:48.36 | sorphin | One of the manufacturers of traffic gear... their access point(s) for wireless in ground detection sensors, is linux based |
| 04:48.48 | sorphin | not a trace of source on their site |
| 04:49.14 | sorphin | prpplague: "The Sensys Networks Access Point (AP) is an intelligent LINUX device used to maintain two-way communications with in-ground wireless sensors, and battery-powered repeaters. Using either wired and/or wireless connections, APs relay data to roadside controllers, remote servers, traffic management systems, or other vehicle detection applications." |
| 04:49.35 | prpplague | sensys is already being pounded with compliance issues iirc |
| 04:49.46 | sorphin | ah |
| 04:49.59 | prpplague | sorphin: how much proof do you have? |
| 04:50.11 | prpplague | doh |
| 04:50.18 | sorphin | just all their own words on their website.. |
| 04:50.25 | sorphin | and i may own one of the APs soon |
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| 04:51.31 | prpplague | sorphin: pretty much no one will take it seriously unless you have some direct evidence |
| 04:51.38 | sorphin | such as? |
| 04:52.12 | prpplague | you purchase a unit, capture bootlogs, disassemble distributed firmware, nand dumps |
| 04:52.39 | sorphin | ah |
| 04:53.13 | sorphin | well, i might be able to accomodate, assuming i get this one.. trying to decide if i want to spend this money on it (mostly cuz it's a tiny linux box, i'd never be able to get one of the sensors) |
| 04:53.30 | prpplague | one of my current projects - http://elinux.org/InnoTab |
| 04:54.08 | sorphin | prpplague: and my new employer: www.ecommerceaccel.com |
| 04:54.17 | sorphin | cool |
| 04:54.46 | sorphin | I remember that little smart card toy you were involved with/messing with/whatever... that they then bubblechipped |
| 04:55.16 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, i have been involved in so many since then |
| 04:56.00 | sorphin | prpplague: I'm sure. |
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| 05:16.29 | calculus | landley: os x lion also does away with scrollbars, they only briefly appear when actually scrolling and then they disappear |
| 05:17.18 | calculus | apparently scrollbars take up to much screen realestate on desktop sized screens |
| 05:17.28 | calculus | too* |
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| 12:02.00 | SpeedEvil | Anyone happen to know the lowest power mode of the pandaboard? i can't see any reference to it using under the 'idle' current. |
| 12:02.22 | SpeedEvil | Not seen any successful reports on suspend to RAM, or 'off' waiting on a timer. |
| 12:02.42 | SpeedEvil | In principle, I should either get one myself, or read the schematic and OMAP datasheets, but... |
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| 15:34.04 | prpplague | is0-mick: hey bud |
| 15:34.10 | prpplague | is0-mick: so VTech has already responded |
| 15:34.24 | is0-mick | oh? |
| 15:34.29 | prpplague | is0-mick: they have conceded that they are in violation |
| 15:34.38 | prpplague | is0-mick: they are preparing a release of the source now |
| 15:34.39 | av500 | heh |
| 15:34.41 | is0-mick | nice |
| 15:34.49 | is0-mick | i hope they release the video drivers |
| 15:34.57 | prpplague | is0-mick: they expect to have everything ready for me to review within 14 days |
| 15:35.04 | is0-mick | as it may make more sense then just a load of "unknown" ioctl's like i currently have |
| 15:35.19 | prpplague | is0-mick: yea |
| 15:35.29 | av500 | prpplague: imagine how much they could contribut to the GDP if they were not to do extra work for you!!! |
| 15:35.30 | is0-mick | oh, also the device has used at one time an SDL library |
| 15:35.39 | is0-mick | which isnt in the flash |
| 15:35.47 | prpplague | av500: indeed |
| 15:36.03 | prpplague | is0-mick: interesting |
| 15:36.26 | is0-mick | there are some "examples" in the flash which use SDL, but there is no lib on the device |
| 15:36.29 | is0-mick | so i had to roll my own |
| 15:36.37 | prpplague | apparently the president of american operations of VTech didn't like getting a certified demand letter, hehe |
| 15:36.46 | prpplague | is0-mick: ahh |
| 15:36.59 | prpplague | av500: i have the source for the RCA device |
| 15:37.17 | prpplague | av500: i won't have time to get it up on github until next weekend |
| 15:38.47 | is0-mick | i put up a video of me playing doom with the accelerometer, but youtube decided to make it "anti shake" |
| 15:38.58 | is0-mick | so now it looks a bit "floaty", so I told it to "undo" |
| 15:39.01 | is0-mick | its taking ages tho |
| 15:39.02 | is0-mick | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTHwF1sS8_4 |
| 15:40.51 | prpplague | dandy! |
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