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| 03:12.36 | sjhill | prpplague: you still up? |
| 03:19.23 | prpplague | sjhill: yea |
| 03:28.05 | sjhill | trying to build the memspeed test |
| 03:28.15 | sjhill | wth am i supposed to get the arm-hardflot-linux-gnueabi compiler? |
| 03:28.52 | prpplague | i built mine with OE |
| 03:29.40 | sjhill | hosted on x86 or x86_64 ? |
| 03:29.53 | sjhill | doesn't matter |
| 03:29.57 | sjhill | can i have a tarball please? |
| 03:30.34 | prpplague | its at the office |
| 03:30.44 | prpplague | you should be able to generate one via narcissus |
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| 03:34.33 | sjhill | forgot about that |
| 03:34.37 | sjhill | generating now |
| 03:34.39 | sjhill | thx sir |
| 03:37.20 | prpplague | np |
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| 12:50.56 | sjhill | seen GPSFan? |
| 12:51.22 | sjhill | no bot, darn |
| 12:51.38 | av500 | watch it! |
| 12:51.50 | sjhill | :) |
| 12:52.50 | sjhill | http://elinux.org/Board_Bringup_Utilities |
| 12:53.03 | sjhill | does anyone have binaries for the memspeed test? |
| 12:53.31 | sjhill | i'm having zero luck building it and/or finding a hf compiler |
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| 13:18.36 | sjhill | hugs GPSFan |
| 13:18.46 | sjhill | GPSFan: i was just looking for you |
| 13:19.40 | sjhill | GPSFan: do you have 'memspeed' binaries from the OMAP board bringup utilities? |
| 13:19.47 | sjhill | http://elinux.org/Board_Bringup_Utilities |
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| 13:46.00 | GPSFan | sjhill, g'day, hold on a sec while I look.... |
| 13:49.36 | GPSFan | sjhill, yes I have 3 types, all statically linked, one for Cortex A8, one for Cortex A9 mfpu=neon, one for Cortex A9 mfpu=vfpv3-d16 |
| 13:50.08 | av500 | the fastest memcpy is the one that you do not do |
| 13:51.53 | GPSFan | thinks that sounds like a quote from the Dalia Lama |
| 13:53.10 | av500 | Is he a coder? |
| 13:58.14 | GPSFan | sjhill, on their way to you via e-mail... |
| 14:06.40 | sjhill | GPSFan: thx |
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| 16:59.04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: https://jobs.qualcomm.com/public/jobDetails.xhtml?requisitionId=1901896&page=jobSearch |
| 16:59.13 | prpplague | looks |
| 17:00.15 | CosmicPenguin | I hope I was able to reflect some of your concerns |
| 17:01.04 | prpplague | everything but the degree requirement |
| 17:01.10 | CosmicPenguin | I can't help that |
| 17:01.12 | CosmicPenguin | unfortunately |
| 17:01.26 | prpplague | indeed |
| 17:01.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i have to wonder though if someone applied who doesn't have a degree how that would be handled |
| 17:01.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: does the CV just go to /dev/null? |
| 17:02.00 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a good question |
| 17:02.08 | CosmicPenguin | I think it depends on how the resume was recieved |
| 17:02.35 | CosmicPenguin | If I got it personally, like through a friend, I might be able to shove it through |
| 17:02.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: it reads well |
| 17:03.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: if i were into graphics stuff, it would be interesting |
| 17:03.02 | CosmicPenguin | But if it goes on the pile, it might not survive |
| 17:03.09 | CosmicPenguin | We need kernel guys |
| 17:03.15 | CosmicPenguin | graphics is just a glorified memcpy() |
| 17:03.46 | CosmicPenguin | This is all you need to know about graphics - each pixel is 32 bits, every nibble is a color. got that? great. You are in the club. |
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| 17:06.38 | dfarnsworth | wonders how open they would be to employees working remotely |
| 17:07.41 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: Are you okay? |
| 17:07.43 | dfarnsworth | updates his resume to get ready for the big job search :) |
| 17:08.16 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: Not sure how close the wildfires are to you. |
| 17:08.27 | CosmicPenguin | Let the spamming begin! |
| 17:08.39 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: The big one is in Fort Collins about an hour north |
| 17:08.54 | sjhill | Okay, so far you're okay then. |
| 17:09.11 | CosmicPenguin | That one is nasty, but other then feeling sad for the victims, we are only getting the smoke |
| 17:09.23 | sjhill | I mean, wildfires are neccessary to regenerate the forests and cause new seeds to germinate. |
| 17:09.32 | sjhill | Houses don't tend to germinate again. |
| 17:09.35 | CosmicPenguin | Actually, more like 30 mminutes - we can see the smoke plumes from my house |
| 17:09.44 | sjhill | Whoa. |
| 17:09.45 | CosmicPenguin | The other one is down in South Park |
| 17:09.51 | slashbeast | anyone runs mdev on regular desktop/workstation? |
| 17:10.03 | CosmicPenguin | And the other other one is in Southern Colorado |
| 17:10.09 | sjhill | slashbeast: Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. |
| 17:10.32 | slashbeast | sjhill: that was really helpful, thank you |
| 17:10.38 | sjhill | Glad I could help. |
| 17:11.09 | sjhill | But seriously, no I don't, but what problems are you seeing? |
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| 17:12.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think dfarnsworth was asking if they are open to telecommute.... |
| 17:12.18 | prpplague | Guest33766: hiding? |
| 17:12.20 | slashbeast | mdev does not scan /sys/bus/usb, but it does scan /sys/class/usb_devices which is deprecented and not on all kernels |
| 17:14.15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: dfarnsworth: Unfortunately no. The req is in Boulder, but I'm sure that we could find a home for the right resume in San Diego |
| 17:15.18 | dfarnsworth | CosmicPenguin: thanks. |
| 17:16.05 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: you may to work with CosmicPenguin for this job, you've been warned..... |
| 17:16.13 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: you may have to work with CosmicPenguin for this job, you've been warned..... |
| 17:16.15 | dfarnsworth | heheh |
| 17:17.13 | dfarnsworth | 's roots are too deep to consider relocating, so CosmicPenguin is safe |
| 17:17.39 | sjhill | slashbeast: if you look in the code you will find the default directories it looks in and most likely you'll have to add an option in the mdev.conf file to check that additional path, but be careful of directory recursion |
| 17:18.10 | CosmicPenguin | Some people have managed to work ith me |
| 17:18.13 | CosmicPenguin | not many |
| 17:18.16 | CosmicPenguin | dfarnsworth: where are you located? |
| 17:19.49 | dfarnsworth | CosmicPenguin: near Phoenix |
| 17:20.20 | slashbeast | sjhill: I did not found any option in mdev.conf to add aditional paths |
| 17:21.40 | sjhill | hmmm |
| 17:21.57 | sjhill | well, then add it into the source and recompile |
| 17:22.26 | slashbeast | thats could work |
| 17:22.49 | slashbeast | but I think I will just write a script to poke with 'add' uevents of /sys/bus/usb/*/uevent |
| 17:24.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you want me to post a link on g+? |
| 17:25.30 | prpplague | hmm linuxcon's cfp is suppose to announce today.... |
| 17:25.36 | prpplague | checks inbox |
| 17:25.36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: sure - whatever you want to do |
| 17:25.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you should not use those words together...... |
| 17:26.33 | CosmicPenguin | They've always worked for me in the past |
| 17:26.59 | sjhill | "I do not think it means what you think it means." |
| 17:27.32 | sjhill | Sorry, Princess Bridge fanboy. |
| 17:27.35 | sjhill | Bride even |
| 17:28.19 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe i was about to do that one..... |
| 17:28.31 | sjhill | :) |
| 17:28.50 | prpplague | http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/382087-382087-64283-72270-3923064-5174647.html?dnr=1 |
| 17:30.36 | av500 | wtf? |
| 17:31.01 | av500 | hp crammed a chinese digital media player into a vga monitor? |
| 17:31.21 | prpplague | *cough* |
| 17:34.16 | av500 | how does it network? |
| 17:35.04 | wmat | prpplague: you found me :/ |
| 17:35.26 | prpplague | av500: has wifi and 100baseT |
| 17:35.46 | prpplague | wmat: hehe |
| 17:35.47 | wmat | prpplague: stupid netsplits or something always do that to my nick |
| 17:36.00 | wmat | then I have to release it and identify again |
| 17:36.03 | wmat | quite annoying |
| 17:36.49 | av500 | FF and Flash |
| 17:36.53 | av500 | daring |
| 17:37.08 | av500 | but a good way to steal a flash lib :) |
| 17:41.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: mans can be a little caustic, but is a fair guy. take his comments with a grain(table spoon?) of salt |
| 17:43.06 | CosmicPenguin | I want to hear angry |
| 17:44.13 | prpplague | hehe you'll get an ear full from mans (aka mru on irc) |
| 17:45.02 | CosmicPenguin | Qualcomm doesn't understand why we can't recruit kernel developers - I want to show them |
| 17:47.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe then can i make the comment about the degree requirement on there as well? |
| 17:47.19 | prpplague | i was trying to put a good spin on it |
| 17:48.15 | wmat | the best kernel developers I know don't have degrees |
| 17:48.35 | wmat | heck, some don't even have high school diplomas |
| 17:50.15 | prpplague | indeed |
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| 18:04.39 | wmat | someone should attempt to build a codecademy/treehouse/code school for lower level stuff |
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| 18:28.24 | prpplague | wmat: what did you have in mind? |
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| 18:35.10 | wmat | prpplague: I have no idea. But seeing all the online "learn to code" sites that are commanding $10M investments, I just figured it'd be nice to have one for people who don't really care about building websites or learning javascript |
| 18:35.45 | wmat | it'd be a challenge to do though |
| 18:36.53 | wmat | I wonder if you could set up a remote embedded linux lab that students could ssh to to run tests and whatnot |
| 18:37.42 | wmat | used to do that with codesourcery, but the relay based power cycling failed a lot |
| 18:38.03 | wmat | i suppose software virtualization is easier |
| 18:38.54 | prpplague | wmat: yea i am actually looking over that for my i2c class |
| 18:39.03 | prpplague | wmat: trying to figure out the best way to handle it |
| 18:39.10 | wmat | prpplague: could one virtualize a dev board with any chance of success? |
| 18:39.14 | aholler | start teaching them linux and forget "embedded". Someone who has problems to compile a kernel should try to go embedded linux. |
| 18:39.27 | aholler | s/should/shouldn't/ |
| 18:39.51 | prpplague | wmat: yea there are a number of qemu dev platforms |
| 18:39.52 | wmat | aholler: yes, that too, I'm just talking out of my butt right now |
| 18:40.58 | wmat | prpplague: this may sound dumb, but a graphical representation of a dev board that could visualize something like blinkenlights seems like it would be useful |
| 18:41.41 | prpplague | wmat: the #1 problem for most people who are trying to do embedded linux is that they have general linux knowledge(x86 desktop pc), and have general embedded from something like an AVR, the problem is when they move to an operating system like linux the abstraction of the hardware through the layers in the OS creates a total mind block |
| 18:41.46 | wmat | aholler: I like the idea of "kernel hacker school" though |
| 18:41.55 | orbarron | any one seen a warning like --> warning libz.so.1, needed by .../libgstreamer-0.10.so |
| 18:42.36 | prpplague | orbarron: means that either the version of libz is incorrect, the symlink is missing, or the lib is missing all together |
| 18:42.54 | wmat | orbarron: not specifically, but installing -dev packages usually fixes warnings like that |
| 18:43.01 | aholler | prpplague: exactly, kernel-development is something complete different than using linux or having programmed an avr |
| 18:44.02 | aholler | they first have to learn why even root should not be able to mess with gpios ;) |
| 18:44.36 | wmat | I wonder what number of people actually want to learn linux kernel programming? |
| 18:45.38 | Spida | aholler: root should not be almighty? |
| 18:45.48 | aholler | wmat: enough, many just have to. Especially those old real embedded people, and they have real problems when getting confronted with a real os |
| 18:46.06 | Spida | aholler: root is always able to put holes throu all kinds of feet and hands... *g* |
| 18:46.18 | Spida | s/throu/through/ |
| 18:46.24 | prpplague | wmat: most of those folks coming from avr environment think that can do everything from userspace |
| 18:48.43 | wmat | runs to gather spawn |
| 18:49.31 | aholler | Spida: I don't think about people doing something, I think about some sw which goes crazy while beeing root. And such sw should not be able to kill the hw. therefor everything which gives root easy access to gpios is dangerous. |
| 18:51.34 | aholler | backup of hw is hard to do, at least in comparison with backuping the sw. ;) |
| 18:53.39 | orbarron | wmat, that was the first thing I did but offered no solution. |
| 18:54.53 | orbarron | prpplague, lib.so.1 is available but in different location. I added it to the env paths and tried modifying the make file to with -rpath or -rpath-link |
| 18:55.12 | orbarron | still no solutions.. -- starts to google again.. |
| 18:55.16 | Spida | aholler: depends on the cost of the hardware. luckily for routers and similar common stuff we have the chinese/asian to producs cheap "backups" |
| 18:55.44 | Spida | aholler: but you are right. software should not be able to destroy hardware... |
| 18:56.19 | Spida | always wonders how many cycles per second switchable power sockets for servers can do... |
| 18:57.06 | prpplague | orbarron: lib path is what is used, you may need to link it in another directory such as /lib |
| 19:09.30 | sjhill | omg, it's an orbarron |
| 19:10.11 | prpplague | orbarron: if you do an ld on the binary it will tell you where it is looking for the lib |
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| 19:38.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe zach has a good point about most of the Q websites.... |
| 19:39.27 | CosmicPenguin | Now I'm just being trolled.. :) |
| 19:39.44 | CosmicPenguin | I'm used to the stupid - are you familiar with a little company called AMD? |
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| 19:40.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 19:40.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you'll get some good feedback none the less |
| 19:43.49 | CosmicPenguin | We've had the hobbyist argument before |
| 19:47.23 | prpplague | well everyone that has responded so far is what i would classify as "serious developer" |
| 19:47.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: av500 == vlad |
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| 19:49.00 | prpplague | grumbles |
| 19:49.23 | prpplague | no word from LF... guess either they are running late or i didn't get selected |
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| 20:28.36 | sjhill | okay, buildroot with udev is not creating any nodes |
| 20:28.41 | sjhill | wtf |
| 20:30.55 | slashbeast | why not mdev? ;-) |
| 20:31.12 | slashbeast | since some versions udev needs devtmpfs to create nodes, check it. |
| 20:44.26 | sjhill | yeah :) |
| 20:44.42 | sjhill | i was wanting to play with udev, but mdev is going to have to do for now |
| 20:59.30 | aholler | there is that all-on-one monster called systemd, I read it has udev integrated ;) |
| 21:03.45 | sjhill | yeah...that sounds like fun |
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