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| 04:27.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you have no idea how much restraint i have used in not trolling your job posting |
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| 06:24.41 | av500 | sees that aholler_ has started trolling here :) |
| 06:28.19 | aholler | I need some training for the trollcon |
| 06:28.57 | av500 | right, its in your back yard |
| 06:29.07 | av500 | I wonder why they chose that place :) |
| 06:30.28 | aholler | I'm innocent, wasn't involved and have first heard about it from mru ;) |
| 06:31.19 | av500 | that's what they all say... |
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| 14:13.09 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you are welcome to troll as much as you want |
| 14:14.23 | av500 | listens up |
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| 14:51.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the urge to troll has passed, too many other things to worry about, hehe |
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| 14:52.50 | CosmicPenguin | You know how you don't think you have a weight problem until a little kid comes up to you and tells you are fat and then you start going to the gym? |
| 14:52.56 | CosmicPenguin | We could deal with a little honesty |
| 14:53.47 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 14:55.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: my trolling comments would not be constructive comments, hehe |
| 14:56.30 | CosmicPenguin | Everyone is too nice |
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| 15:16.22 | landley | New netbook! |
| 15:16.31 | landley | I'm hoping this one can actually run kvm. |
| 15:16.45 | landley | The acer guys ditched the atom processor so this box actually has more than 2 gigs of ram in it. (Ooooh.) |
| 15:17.11 | landley | Does anybody know _why_ the VT extensions are disabled by default? Is there some reason for this? |
| 15:17.21 | landley | They didn't disable mmx by default... |
| 15:17.51 | av500 | landley: why do you use atom+netbook? |
| 15:17.57 | av500 | why not a cheap i3 or i5? |
| 15:18.06 | av500 | as a dev pc |
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| 15:21.39 | landley | av500: because that's not what's in the acer aspire one 722 that was on sale? |
| 15:21.44 | landley | Dunno. |
| 15:22.09 | landley | I checked it was upgradeable to 8 gigs. It claims battery life of 7 hours. |
| 15:22.30 | av500 | its still an slow as hell atom... |
| 15:22.46 | landley | Only dual processor and no hyper-threading, but given it has the same amount of L2 cache (512 megs per cpu) as the atom did, I'm ok with that. |
| 15:22.58 | landley | av500: nah, it's an AMD C3P0 or some such. |
| 15:23.04 | av500 | oh |
| 15:23.11 | landley | (Don't have it with me, it's still only 2/3 installed.) |
| 15:23.20 | av500 | yes, I read about the install :) |
| 15:23.44 | landley | Hey, I've got the OS installed now. Need to copy my files but I had a guest over last night. Distracted. |
| 15:23.56 | av500 | np, take your time :) |
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| 17:27.30 | aholler | Hmm, I once tried virtualbox on my aspire one, reminded me on win 3.11 |
| 17:32.36 | landley | aholler: the atom hasn't got the vt extensions. |
| 17:34.37 | slashbeast | some got |
| 17:35.03 | aholler | therfor I've tried virtualbox |
| 17:35.41 | slashbeast | I used vbox to play some games in win2k vm on atom d525 |
| 17:36.59 | aholler | my aspire has an N270, no fun with virtualbox ;) |
| 17:38.51 | slashbeast | atoms are impossibru slow |
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| 18:42.51 | T0mW | slashbeast: not if your embedded system last had a 19MHz 80C188 in it, ATOMs are FAST! |
| 18:44.14 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 18:45.21 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm now a married man. |
| 18:45.31 | prpplague | T0mW: i am sorry |
| 18:45.34 | prpplague | :P |
| 18:45.39 | T0mW | heh |
| 18:45.59 | prpplague | when the ring goes on... the insanity begins.... |
| 18:46.32 | T0mW | prpplague: hope not. not for a while anyway. |
| 18:47.13 | T0mW | prpplague: I think it is "left brain" and "right brain" where she is the thinking (decision making) half? |
| 18:47.53 | T0mW | prpplague: so far, other married guys are telling me "listen, nod, then do what you want". |
| 18:48.16 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 18:54.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: wow, you got arnd to reply to your post.... |
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| 19:08.08 | gotmynick | hello |
| 19:08.34 | gotmynick | is there any chan to ask for a busybox "feature" ? |
| 19:08.45 | landley | gotmynick: generally #uclibc |
| 19:08.50 | landley | If you want to ask about toybox, that would be me. |
| 19:08.51 | gotmynick | thanks |
| 19:08.55 | landley | I also used to maintain busybox, but it was a while ago. |
| 19:09.06 | landley | gotmynick: what's the question? |
| 19:09.26 | gotmynick | well, I see the "install" command on busybox does not have "-C" |
| 19:09.41 | gotmynick | and I want to know if it's intended, or could be a welcomed patch |
| 19:10.45 | landley | "compare each pair of source and destination files, and in some cases, do not modify the destination at all". |
| 19:10.48 | landley | That's what the man page says. |
| 19:10.52 | landley | That's... not well defined? |
| 19:11.53 | landley | There's no "install" in SUSv4... http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/idx/xcu.html |
| 19:13.00 | gotmynick | well, I think I can workaround it doing: cmp src target || install ... |
| 19:13.23 | gotmynick | I was just surprised that install has -C on linux, osx, bsd... but not on busybox |
| 19:13.30 | landley | Install in LSB doesn't specify -C http://refspecs.linuxbase.org/LSB_4.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/install.html |
| 19:13.31 | gotmynick | also, just discovered toybox |
| 19:13.38 | landley | gotmynick: I'm just trying to figure out what it _does_. |
| 19:13.53 | landley | I might add it to toybox. Dunno. |
| 19:14.17 | landley | Generally I regression test against the linux from scratch build to see what's actually necessary in real-world package builds... |
| 19:14.35 | gotmynick | aha |
| 19:14.44 | landley | Best thing to do is ask on the busybox mailing list. |
| 19:15.00 | gotmynick | mmm maybe that not being standard, I'm better avoiding to use it |
| 19:15.11 | gotmynick | maybe more platforms that does not implement it |
| 19:15.16 | landley | My complaint is that I can't figure out what it does from the man page. |
| 19:15.22 | landley | What does it do? |
| 19:15.37 | landley | (I.E. what are "in some cases" here?) |
| 19:15.38 | gotmynick | mostly only overwrites target if file has changed (file content) |
| 19:15.55 | landley | Ok... |
| 19:15.56 | landley | Why? |
| 19:16.02 | landley | Not breaking hardlinks? |
| 19:16.12 | landley | Not changing atime? |
| 19:16.23 | landley | It's not going to be any _faster_ to read the target than to write it... |
| 19:16.54 | gotmynick | the reason for implementation is hard to know for me, I was using it for a home brew config management system |
| 19:17.39 | gotmynick | but I will use cmp instead of install -C |
| 19:17.47 | gotmynick | you have give good information, thanks |
| 19:21.10 | landley | If BSD and osx have it it's a de-facto standard that should probably be implemented. |
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