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| 01:56.20 | m4t | rdev = wiphy_to_dev(dev->ieee80211_ptr->wiphy); is causingan oops in cfg80211.ko on this :( |
| 02:01.24 | m4t | grr |
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| 03:29.57 | m4t | looks like i will need a new kernel after all |
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| 14:07.45 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:08.25 | av500 | has broken |
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| 14:39.15 | aholler | a breakthrough happened? |
| 14:43.17 | aholler | like working hw? ;) |
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| 14:44.27 | landley | I officially give up on trying to get my kernel.org account reinstated. I can't navigate the bureaucracy. |
| 14:45.32 | landley | My house was robbed yesterday, and they didn't get much (fade's laptop, the game consoles, the old kindle we never use), but they got my old netbook with a backup of all my files. |
| 14:45.50 | landley | Including the PGP key I've been collecting signatures for to use on kernel.org. |
| 14:45.55 | landley | I'm not going through all that again. |
| 14:46.06 | av500 | landley: argh |
| 14:46.14 | av500 | landley: :((((((((8 |
| 14:46.28 | landley | I didn't lose any _data_, I had two other copies of everything, but dude. |
| 14:46.37 | landley | Dear kernel.org developers: your paranoia makes the system unusable. |
| 14:46.37 | aholler | uh, so the bureaucracy might at least do something god |
| 14:46.50 | aholler | +o |
| 14:47.27 | landley | aholler: because a large black man in a white t-shirt and a blond woman with pigtails and a UT hoodie are going to dig into a subdirectory of a linux-formatted netbook that was worth $250 when it was new to find an encryption key with a nonstandard filename? |
| 14:48.02 | landley | Which they scooped up along with an Xbox360, a wii, a PS2, a macbook air, and a kindle? |
| 14:48.05 | aholler | you never know. |
| 14:48.24 | landley | Sigh. |
| 14:48.27 | av500 | the girl was just do distract you |
| 14:48.39 | landley | xchat doesn't know /gag? |
| 14:48.57 | av500 | anyway, why do you need to collect signatures? |
| 14:49.00 | landley | I'd be happy to change my keys. I did so with the ssh keys. I have a revocation certificate for the old pgp key. |
| 14:49.08 | av500 | isnt it enough for 1 .org guy to verify yours? |
| 14:49.36 | landley | But I refuse to go collect signatures on a NEW key, which require in-person meeting of kernel developers at conferences I haven't regularly attended since 2010. |
| 14:51.12 | landley | av500: http://linux-man-pages.blogspot.com/2012/02/reestablishing-kernelorg-access.html |
| 14:51.41 | landley | I can't update kernel.org/doc through "gitolite", their hand-rolled git-only access shell. |
| 14:52.19 | aholler | hmm, sounds like a good excuse to get a paid trip to a conference ;) |
| 14:52.20 | landley | Because nothing says "secure" like kernel developers building their own userspace tool from scratch for a tiny community with zero interest in reviewing the code. |
| 14:52.32 | landley | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.56 | landley | Darn it, what _is_ the xchat "I never want to see anything this person says ever again and remember it after reboots please" command? |
| 14:53.17 | av500 | he |
| 14:53.25 | aholler | /quit |
| 14:54.04 | aholler | alt-f4 might work too |
| 14:54.20 | av500 | landley: how many keys does it need to be "well signed"? |
| 14:54.49 | landley | av500: how many roads must a man drive down before he admits he is lost? |
| 14:54.57 | av500 | a man never admits |
| 14:54.59 | landley | Undefined. Or possibly NaN. |
| 14:56.35 | landley | Ah, I was typing asholler. No wonder it didn't work. |
| 14:57.31 | landley | (What part of "my house got robbed yesterday" makes people think I'm in an especially pleasant mood? You've gotta wonder...) |
| 14:57.34 | aholler | your nan is very short |
| 14:58.29 | landley | We had to cancel the plumber who was going to fix the hot water heater, because the fingerprint people were still dusting for prints when he was scheduled to arrive. |
| 14:58.48 | landley | So day 2 of cold showers. Extra mood buff there, as foretold by legend and sims. |
| 14:58.58 | av500 | :( |
| 14:59.17 | landley | av500: eh, happens. |
| 15:00.29 | landley | Friend's father was just diagnosed with cancer and another friend's chronic kidney infection returned (this time immune to every antibiotic they've tried so far). Losing a backup laptop I already replaced and some game consoles isn't a huge deal in comparison. Except for the macbook air it wasn't $1000 worth of stuff total when it was new. |
| 15:00.46 | landley | (Modulo the pile of games we mostly no longer played.) |
| 15:01.23 | landley | Although why do police still _dust_ for prints in 2012? Weren't there laser scanner things that could take plates off of leather and cloth invented back in the 80's? |
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| 15:04.33 | av500 | landley: no idea |
| 15:05.16 | av500 | http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12931-laser-fingerprint-scanner-does-away-with-dusting.html |
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| 15:11.36 | landley | av500: I remember a tv show I saw on kwaj called "what'll they think of next" talking about all sorts of in-development technologies. |
| 15:12.10 | av500 | ic |
| 15:12.23 | landley | The thermal tiles they used on the space shuttle, trying to breed soybeans they could use salt water to irrigate (in sand, not in normal dirt, apparently some chemical reaction)... |
| 15:12.45 | av500 | flying cars :) |
| 15:12.59 | landley | And one of the things they covered was laser fingerprint scanners. They didn't had it working in the lab, albeit with million-dollar equipment at the time. |
| 15:13.12 | landley | This would have been around 1979. |
| 15:13.18 | landley | I was 7. |
| 15:13.28 | av500 | I was 8 :) |
| 15:13.42 | av500 | kid |
| 15:13.54 | landley | Apparently getting it to _work_ isn't that hard. Getting it cheap and portable enough for police to use and fitting their budgets, not so much... |
| 15:14.17 | landley | Still, dust and scotch tape in 2012 in Austin. Seems like we've missed an upgrade somewhere. |
| 15:14.29 | landley | You'd think this would be a phone app by now... |
| 15:15.26 | landley | On the bright side, I got binutils upgraded slightly in aboriginal linux this weekend. |
| 15:15.40 | landley | Moved it forward in the git repository to the last gplv2 commit, and then debugged the obvious stuff that broke. |
| 15:16.08 | landley | This should let me build musl, _and_ it says it's got armv7 support, so maybe I should see if I can do a similar half-release upgrade for gcc... |
| 15:16.33 | landley | I also tracked down the bionic git repo and downloaded that, but the makefiles are... partial. |
| 15:16.50 | landley | The android build is a giant hairball, and bionic doesn't want to build outside of it. |
| 15:17.08 | landley | Need to stare at it more and possibly write a shell script or hit it very hard with sed... |
| 15:18.27 | av500 | yes |
| 15:18.34 | av500 | android build is awesome |
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| 15:18.49 | av500 | but then, my phone works :) |
| 15:19.26 | landley | Linux did a whole bunch of things different from previous operating systems and development efforts, so it's sometimes hard to figure out what was important and what wasn't. |
| 15:19.38 | landley | But one thing Linux has that android doesn't is modularity. |
| 15:20.11 | landley | You can replace most packages with alternate implementations of the same functionality. Or just plain leave them out if you don't want your instance of ssh to support zlib. |
| 15:20.25 | av500 | autohell takes care of that :) |
| 15:20.36 | landley | The _good_ half of ./configure is working out which preqrequisites you don't have, which it can stub out. |
| 15:20.52 | landley | Of course the sane thing to do would be to test at the _package_ level, ala "do you have zlib? Nope, building without it." |
| 15:20.59 | landley | That's not what autofools does. |
| 15:21.18 | landley | av500: autohell takes care of problems the way Don Corlione's enforcers take care of problems. |
| 15:22.09 | av500 | :) |
| 15:23.05 | landley | Unfortunately "./configure; make; install" needs _reform_. It needs a cvs vs git style rethink, not incremental polishing. |
| 15:23.35 | landley | Most autotools packages I see are testing things guaranteed by posix, or LP64, or c99... |
| 15:23.52 | landley | If your environment hasn't got that stuff, it's _broken_. |
| 15:23.53 | av500 | testing if 1+1=2 |
| 15:23.59 | av500 | testing for fortran compiler |
| 15:24.07 | landley | (Maybe intentionally broken ala uClibc .config entry switching stuff off, but still.) |
| 15:24.15 | av500 | testinf for 8bits in a byte |
| 15:24.31 | av500 | testing true != false |
| 15:24.36 | landley | I have no idea why people think testing for something in autoconf and refusing to build is different from a build break while compiling the C code. |
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| 15:28.34 | av500 | prpplague: nice, hope to get my lunchpack soon |
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| 23:50.15 | Mirell | kicks prpplague |
| 23:50.26 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:51.12 | Mirell | Recruiter from MIT Lincoln Labs called me today and left a voicemail. |
| 23:51.17 | Mirell | I should distinctly follow up with her. |
| 23:51.19 | Mirell | 'cause. SCIENCE. |
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| 23:56.04 | SpeedEvil | :-) |