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| 03:07.11 | landley | Finally: http://gigaom.com/mobile/t-mobile-ceo-confirms-the-iphone-and-the-death-of-phone-subsidies/ |
| 03:07.16 | landley | Data plans and device sales decoupled. |
| 03:18.14 | SpeedEvil | that's an interesting choice |
| 03:18.42 | SpeedEvil | I mean to go solely for unsubsidised |
| 03:19.08 | prpplague | prefers the unsubsidized plans |
| 03:19.58 | SpeedEvil | oh, they also offer finance |
| 03:20.04 | SpeedEvil | which makes sense. |
| 03:20.07 | SpeedEvil | same here |
| 03:20.17 | SpeedEvil | but it's a sizeable cost up front |
| 03:20.46 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: don't mind the up front, what i hate is the contracts and all that "sneaky" crap you have to deal with |
| 03:20.49 | SpeedEvil | what would be best would be if other lenders could get into that market |
| 03:21.06 | MonMotha | I would tend to prefer unsubsidized options, but if you put enough people on a typical "family plan", you can get some decent deals from some of the other carriers basically getting the subsidy for free |
| 03:21.08 | SpeedEvil | locked down phones |
| 03:21.28 | SpeedEvil | the UK has some weird offers. |
| 03:21.46 | SpeedEvil | I can buy a mobile phone plan with no mobile number |
| 03:22.00 | SpeedEvil | it terminates in my sip server |
| 03:22.16 | MonMotha | you can do that in the US; just not on a phone :) |
| 03:22.24 | MonMotha | (if you don't tell them what you have, however...) |
| 03:22.53 | MonMotha | they won't sell them to you in the retail stores, but if you call up an account rep and ask for a "telematics" plan, they have data-only options |
| 03:22.58 | MonMotha | also outbound SMS only |
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| 03:23.30 | MonMotha | most US cellular/mobile data networks are kinda worthless for VoIP, though, and I'm pretty sure that's intentional |
| 03:24.07 | prpplague | i was pretty happy with the sim card i got out of the UK |
| 03:24.21 | prpplague | worked well for UK and pretty darn well in spain |
| 03:24.22 | SpeedEvil | same provider also offers the nice feature - your own server as APN. |
| 03:24.37 | SpeedEvil | so you only connect to your intranet |
| 03:24.47 | MonMotha | they do L2TP to you or something? |
| 03:25.22 | SpeedEvil | unsure of the exact presentation, |
| 03:25.28 | SpeedEvil | something like that. |
| 03:25.47 | MonMotha | you can get that in the US, but expect to either pay dearly or have a rather large account for them to bother |
| 03:26.35 | SpeedEvil | aaisp.co.UK it's a small mvno |
| 03:27.51 | SpeedEvil | I still find it irritating I can't buy multiple sims on one account inexpensively. |
| 03:27.53 | MonMotha | MVNOs in the US are dicey sometimes. If you're in a metro area, you're usually fine, but they typically only overlay one of the "big 4" networks, whereas the "big 4"'s branded service often has transparent/no-free roam agreements with each other |
| 03:28.20 | MonMotha | now, if you're only overlaying Verizon, you're probably fine. Sprint...not so much |
| 03:29.14 | SpeedEvil | saw the fun issues with least cost routing, leading to massive dropped calls in some rural areas. |
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| 03:29.28 | SpeedEvil | the market doesn't always work. |
| 03:30.11 | MonMotha | yeah, I am a Sprint branded customer, so I get transparent access to Verizon, but it tries REALLY hard to keep me on Sprint |
| 03:30.33 | MonMotha | mucking with your PRLs can fix that, but it's tough to pick and choose (and probably not liked by your provider) |
| 03:30.43 | SpeedEvil | the 'hidden' settings can be painful |
| 03:30.57 | SpeedEvil | they tweak SNR to handover at sometimes |
| 03:31.07 | SpeedEvil | at least here |
| 03:31.12 | MonMotha | I do know some people who have gotten out of Sprint contracts by loading a Verizon PRL on their handset and deliberately using a ton of data |
| 03:31.27 | MonMotha | you get unlimited "roaming" data, but Sprint will eventually tell you to get lost and suggest you sign up with Verizon |
| 03:31.33 | MonMotha | (and release you from your contract) |
| 03:31.39 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
| 03:31.41 | MonMotha | note I am not advocating doing this, just noting that I've heard of it |
| 03:32.09 | MonMotha | and of course the result of this is that you're a Verizon customer, which you probably don't want to be unless you really want that coverage |
| 03:34.30 | SpeedEvil | on one month rolling contract here. |
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| 12:31.29 | Mehran2 | Busybox Question |
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| 23:58.49 | slashbeast | is the psmouse driver the only mouse driver out there for generic mouses? |
| 23:59.10 | slashbeast | For soem reason psmouse cause key repeats here, which is uber annoying when I hit enter and it 'hit' enter ten times |
| 23:59.23 | slashbeast | removing psmouse removes mouse support from xorg |