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| 07:52.03 | SpdNewone | hi |
| 08:00.44 | SpdNewone | guys/ |
| 08:00.54 | SpdNewone | anybody has skills in mounting ubifs image? |
| 08:01.21 | SpdNewone | i can even pay for help |
| 08:09.05 | SpdNewone | i have a sony camera firmware where it has ubifs partition and i cannot mount it |
| 08:09.22 | SpdNewone | i have serial console to device, etc but i need to prepare a new firmware upgrade |
| 08:10.12 | SpdNewone | using any tutorials on net i am not able to mount good ubifs image |
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| 08:15.13 | SpdNewone | any? |
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| 08:40.51 | SpdNewone | noone? |
| 08:43.06 | av500 | sometimes people sleep |
| 08:49.14 | SpdNewone | it depends on Your timezone :) |
| 08:49.25 | SpdNewone | i have 10am here :) |
| 08:50.02 | av500 | me too |
| 09:06.56 | SpdNewone | i modified many firmare - vivotek, eneo etc and sony is pain in the ass |
| 09:07.33 | SpdNewone | they encrypt fw update files |
| 09:11.56 | av500 | evil sony |
| 09:15.32 | SpdNewone | it is - but after decryption it is a ubifs image which i cannot mount :( |
| 09:17.01 | av500 | cannot mount why? |
| 09:21.58 | SpdNewone | i dont know |
| 09:22.04 | SpdNewone | i tried to make ubivolume |
| 09:22.15 | SpdNewone | changed nandsim parameters - still errors which i cannot understand :( |
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| 10:05.18 | SpdNewone | av500 - u know someone from this channel who has skills inm ubifs? |
| 10:05.50 | av500 | no idea |
| 10:06.03 | av500 | wait until the US wakes up |
| 10:09.30 | roxfan | it might help if you prepare some pastes with the exact commands you tried and the results (error messages etc) |
| 10:10.04 | av500 | also you could follow back the error messages in the source code |
| 10:10.08 | av500 | to see what they mean |
| 10:11.08 | SpdNewone | what i found is that flash is 4096 page size in 512MiB but i cannot crate such with nandsim |
| 10:11.28 | SpdNewone | or i am too dumb for it - this is what i think - i am too dumb to do this |
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| 11:07.22 | SpdNewone | new guys - maybe they know something about ubifs.. :) |
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| 12:37.45 | SpdNewone | anybody has knowledge about ubifs? |
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| 12:50.23 | SpeedEvil | to a limited degree |
| 12:58.37 | SpdNewone | i cannot mount ubifs image |
| 12:58.47 | SpdNewone | i have all data needed but my skills are not so good |
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| 13:53.28 | SpeedEvil | ubifs is not a block device filesystem |
| 13:53.38 | SpeedEvil | it's a raw flash filesystem |
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| 19:57.57 | landley | Morning. |
| 19:58.02 | _av500_ | gm |
| 19:58.03 | landley | (In... hawaii, I think.) |
| 19:58.10 | _av500_ | UGT |
| 19:58.13 | landley | Possibly Japan. |
| 19:59.13 | prpplague | landley: greetings |
| 20:03.41 | landley | Hiya prpplague. |
| 20:03.51 | landley | is feeling a bit under the weather. Stomach bug. |
| 20:03.52 | prpplague | landley: what's cookin? |
| 20:03.58 | landley | How goes new job? |
| 20:03.58 | prpplague | ahh bummer |
| 20:04.05 | prpplague | landley: first official day |
| 20:04.14 | landley | Yay. |
| 20:04.22 | landley | Still in dallas area, or elsewhere? |
| 20:04.36 | prpplague | landley: doing battle with the intel redtape |
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| 20:04.42 | prpplague | landley: yea, still in dfw |
| 20:04.48 | landley | Ah, working at intel. |
| 20:04.48 | prpplague | landley: just a few miles from TI |
| 20:05.00 | prpplague | landley: not directly for intel |
| 20:05.03 | landley | say hi to Sarah Sharp, who is nowhere near you. (USB3 maintainer.) |
| 20:05.07 | prpplague | landley: we are doing an intel reference board |
| 20:05.09 | chouimat | hi |
| 20:05.11 | landley | Ah. |
| 20:05.19 | prpplague | landley: oh didn't know that |
| 20:05.34 | prpplague | landley: http://www.minnowboard.org/ |
| 20:05.40 | landley | She's up in... oregon I think. Only intel employee I can think of off the top of my head. |
| 20:05.47 | landley | Although Jim Gettys is probably still Intel, come to think of it. |
| 20:06.08 | prpplague | landley: ahh ok |
| 20:06.34 | landley | Do they have an Atom that isn't limited to 2 gigs ram yet? |
| 20:06.34 | prpplague | landley: i'm actually working now for a company called CircuitCo |
| 20:06.54 | prpplague | landley: hehe, no clue, i am still coming up to speed on x86 stuff |
| 20:06.57 | chouimat | prpplague: look ncie |
| 20:07.06 | prpplague | landley: been awhile since i have done x86 work |
| 20:07.40 | chouimat | is writing user documentation for the customers ... I hate that |
| 20:08.45 | landley | The minnow board spec sheet doesn't say how physically large the board is. Nothing in the pictures for size reference either. |
| 20:08.54 | landley | It doesn't say how much power the board consumes. |
| 20:10.22 | prpplague | landley: hehe because some of it is in flux |
| 20:10.27 | prpplague | landley: 106mm x 106mm |
| 20:10.40 | prpplague | landley: uses a +5V 3A wall-wart |
| 20:11.07 | prpplague | landley: so about 15W for a basic system |
| 20:11.36 | landley | Hmmm. Well, good luck with it. |
| 20:11.51 | landley | Someday the video of my talk might go up on the linux foundation's website. |
| 20:12.09 | landley | At their current "one talk every ~3 days, keynotes and mentions of yocto first" it might even go up before the 2014 celf. |
| 20:12.14 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:12.16 | landley | (But not by much.) |
| 20:12.32 | prpplague | landley: the minnow is more for software dev than anything else |
| 20:12.43 | prpplague | landley: most of the atom based sbc designs cost over $1000 |
| 20:12.44 | landley | It's intel. A netbook is for software dev. |
| 20:12.51 | landley | Is there really a shortage of x86 development systems? |
| 20:12.54 | prpplague | so it's basically a low cost platform |
| 20:13.08 | _av500_ | prpplague: for what? |
| 20:13.15 | prpplague | landley: actually there is for this type of system |
| 20:13.28 | prpplague | _av500_: i am sorry i did not understand your question |
| 20:13.36 | _av500_ | a low cost platform for what? |
| 20:13.39 | landley | because... everybody in that space is using arm instead? |
| 20:13.42 | _av500_ | to port SW to X86? |
| 20:14.20 | landley | Anyway, I bring up my talk because the point of the thing was to make the case that android is the new PC. |
| 20:14.27 | prpplague | _av500_: for yocto dev of course |
| 20:14.45 | _av500_ | ah right |
| 20:14.52 | landley | And over the next 5-10 years will inevitably displace the previous generation of hardware in non-big-iron deployments. |
| 20:14.55 | prpplague | _av500_: also as a reference platform |
| 20:15.03 | prpplague | _av500_: the atom reference boards are @#$@#$@ |
| 20:15.13 | _av500_ | I have a MENLOW board |
| 20:15.19 | _av500_ | a dev one |
| 20:15.30 | prpplague | landley: indeed |
| 20:15.34 | _av500_ | no idea what it did dost |
| 20:15.35 | _av500_ | cost |
| 20:15.42 | _av500_ | I guess intel gave it for free |
| 20:15.44 | landley | I can see the motivation for Intel to throw a lot of money a delaying that. |
| 20:16.00 | landley | The same way I could see IBM's motivation for developing OS/2. |
| 20:16.39 | landley | But you clearly have more info than I do here, I happily bow to your judgement. |
| 20:16.48 | landley | But you've got some 'splaining to do to enthuse the rest of us, I think. |
| 20:16.52 | prpplague | yea, i understand what the minnow is being designed for and what the target is, problem is going to be getting that across to developers |
| 20:16.54 | landley | They have an uphill marketing battle... |
| 20:17.16 | landley | I still don't care about the linux foundation's fifth "not android". |
| 20:17.20 | _av500_ | well, industrial world has a ton of tiny x86 boards already |
| 20:17.49 | landley | And this is after I watched the "how to market open source" video that turned out to be a thinly veiled yocto advertisement. :) |
| 20:17.57 | _av500_ | thinly? |
| 20:18.05 | landley | _av500_ did you watch it? |
| 20:18.23 | _av500_ | sorry, wrong word |
| 20:18.32 | prpplague | _av500_: yes, lots of closed x86 boards |
| 20:18.39 | _av500_ | I meant I would have expected it to scream yocto |
| 20:19.05 | prpplague | landley: yea we got a ton of complaints about that |
| 20:19.25 | prpplague | landley: in all honesty, they lied to the program committee about the presentation |
| 20:19.37 | _av500_ | did heads roll? |
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| 20:19.54 | chouimat | _av500_: I think the correct answer to your question (why?) would be because prpplague need to eat once in a while ;) |
| 20:20.13 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:20.32 | landley | _av500_: it did starting a few minutes in, but up front there was no mention of yocto at all. (I refer to www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_OGueGPhfs ) |
| 20:21.09 | _av500_ | landley: lol, that comes with a youtube ad for QNX in front :) |
| 20:21.37 | landley | chouimat: I'm all for it. He's shown great judgement for years, I'm sure he sees something in this project that I don't. |
| 20:21.45 | landley | _av500_ mine was for HR block. |
| 20:22.24 | landley | "Let me write software on my x86 netbook and then test it on this other x86 system"... Ok? |
| 20:22.26 | chouimat | landley: I might just get one if the price is good. but I might order a zedboard first :) |
| 20:22.30 | _av500_ | I think I told google I can has targeted ads, on android I only get ads for OMAP4 boards from Variscite since 2 month.... |
| 20:23.01 | landley | "Let me hook this board up to battery power, it only eats 15 watts". |
| 20:23.22 | _av500_ | there are intel Android phones, they are as good as ARM ones wrt battery |
| 20:23.44 | landley | I agree that _not_ having TI behind it is probably a bit of an advantage at this point. |
| 20:23.57 | chouimat | landley: lol |
| 20:24.38 | landley | I talked to somebody at CELF for a couple hours (Bill Mar?) explaining to him that if your patches to the TI u-boot have failed to go upstream for _three_years_ you can contact wolfgang denk directly. |
| 20:25.02 | landley | And TI's "oh no, we're going to get our code upstream someday, some glorious day" interference is a thing you _ignore_. |
| 20:25.30 | _av500_ | I guess I can print them and drive them to Denk if needed :) |
| 20:25.31 | landley | He'd written the entire open source development process off as dysfunctional because he thought changes had to go upstream _through_ TI. |
| 20:26.19 | landley | Rather than "here's the patches I need to support my board and what I"m doing with it. Yeah there's a vendor, and if they ever submit patches they can go on top of these." |
| 20:26.24 | chouimat | landley: hehe. I know I'm stuck on 2.6.37 for this project because it's the latest TI has and also the customer did want to pay me to port it to 3.2 or something more recent |
| 20:26.28 | landley | But "shut up and show me the code" exists for a reason. |
| 20:26.38 | landley | You don't argue against patches with vaporware. |
| 20:26.53 | prpplague | is going to avoid getting into the conversation about TI |
| 20:27.00 | chouimat | hehe |
| 20:27.26 | chouimat | prpplague: don't burn any bridges if you can :) |
| 20:27.32 | calculus | prpplague: I sent some of my feedback to clint |
| 20:27.59 | prpplague | calculus: mind forwarding to me as well? danders@circuitco.com |
| 20:28.32 | calculus | prpplague: can do |
| 20:28.57 | landley | Sigh. I was proud of that CELF talk. I'm sad I can't point people at it online. Oh well... |
| 20:29.27 | _av500_ | landley: lol "Start with a strategic plan" |
| 20:29.33 | _av500_ | I will stop to watch that now |
| 20:29.35 | prpplague | landley: hehe, feel lucky, in the past, they have only released the videos just right before the following ELC/E |
| 20:30.09 | landley | _av500_ um, not the marketing talk. _my_ talk. |
| 20:30.13 | _av500_ | I know |
| 20:30.20 | _av500_ | yours I will watch |
| 20:30.32 | landley | I can't decide if I'm horrified or amused by the marketing talk. Strange mixture of both. |
| 20:30.48 | landley | The phrase I've heard for a similar phenomenon is "roadkill fascination". You can't look away... |
| 20:31.02 | landley | Eh, I'm being to hard on them. |
| 20:32.15 | roxfan | prpplague: are you using coreboot? |
| 20:33.56 | roxfan | landley: a more common one is "watching a train wreck" |
| 20:34.57 | landley | Ok, I admit a board that coreboot works well on is an interesting thing to play around with. |
| 20:35.30 | landley | We need an MIT-licensed u-boot variant that works on both x86 and arm, and does device trees. |
| 20:35.36 | landley | Hole in the market, that. |
| 21:00.59 | prpplague | roxfan: no UEFI |
| 21:01.08 | prpplague | roxfan: but it should support coreboot |
| 21:01.17 | prpplague | roxfan: i'd love to see someone get it working |
| 21:01.29 | prpplague | roxfan: the intel folks were pretty interested in just uefi of course |
| 21:09.27 | chouimat | I hate writing documentation ... it's either too short or too abstract and philosophical when I do it :( |
| 21:09.45 | _av500_ | prpplague: what? no secure boot? |
| 21:09.53 | _av500_ | no modern linux will run on it... |
| 21:10.25 | chouimat | _av500_: ewwww |
| 21:17.00 | landley | prpplague: so hang on, ACPI was essentially a not-java bytecode interpreter in the bios because itanic wasn't a successor to 16-bit 8086 assembly. |
| 21:17.32 | landley | Now UEFI is attempting to take the boot model of game consoles and inflict it upon the PC, because no game console's boot path has ever _not_ been broken. |
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| 21:18.07 | landley | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuIlbmn-4A4 |
| 21:19.52 | roxfan | i don't think uefi was about security originally |
| 21:20.08 | _av500_ | landley: no, but its nice for lock-in :) |
| 21:20.34 | roxfan | they just wanted a replacement for the mess of assembly files with thousands of defines and commented out code, different for every single board |
| 21:21.16 | landley | roxfan: so hardware manufacturer's epic inability to write bioses will be solved by making them more complicated and giving them more to do? |
| 21:21.18 | landley | Brilliant. |
| 21:22.17 | roxfan | hw manufacturers don't write bioses |
| 21:22.24 | roxfan | phoenix/ami/etc do |
| 21:22.41 | landley | http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/bios.html |
| 21:22.44 | roxfan | and they already started some of internal standardization/modularizarion |
| 21:23.01 | roxfan | efi was just taking it to the next level i think |
| 21:23.36 | landley | Because Open Firmware turned out to be such a marvelous idea... |
| 21:23.53 | landley | ("Open" is manufacturer-speak for "proprietary locked-down crap".) |
| 21:24.07 | landley | It's one of those "methinks the lady doth protest too much" things. If they have to SAY it, they haven't got it. |
| 21:25.26 | roxfan | i'm not on anyone's side in this |
| 21:25.38 | roxfan | but i did quite a bit of bios re |
| 21:25.48 | roxfan | and efi just makes sense to me |
| 21:26.57 | roxfan | write code in clean portable c to well-defined interfaces vs. trying to fit needs of modern pc in 20 years old 16-bit asm with 64 segments |
| 21:27.01 | roxfan | *64K |
| 21:27.24 | roxfan | maybe they could have done it better but it's definitely an improvement |
| 21:58.13 | chouimat | roxfan: true |
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| 22:44.23 | prpplague | calculus: you gonna join #minnowboard? |
| 22:44.52 | _av500_ | depends on the pay |
| 22:45.02 | _av500_ | no? |
| 22:46.15 | mnemoc | still shocked to see prpplague promoting with an atom board :| |
| 22:46.21 | mnemoc | s/with// |
| 22:47.13 | prpplague | mnemoc: indeed |
| 22:47.28 | prpplague | mnemoc: it's open source, and needs debugging, i am game |
| 22:47.52 | mnemoc | :) |
| 22:47.54 | roxfan | do you get sources for the MRC? |
| 22:48.25 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:49.19 | calculus | maybe the sources will be just like the raspberry pi graphics drivers |
| 22:49.28 | calculus | those are "open" source |
| 22:49.31 | calculus | :) |
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| 22:52.15 | _av500_ | calculus: "open" with source is like "democratic" in a country name |
| 23:04.48 | landley | ppplague: how much _is_ a minnow board, anyway? |
| 23:06.31 | landley | In theory if I plugged on into a USB hard drive I could use it as a low end build machine, grinding away in the corner while I"m at work. |
| 23:06.48 | landley | 2 usb ports means I could do usb wireless and usb storage and use it as a server. |
| 23:06.56 | landley | But I could do the same with a chromebook and wouldn't need the usb stuff... |
| 23:07.08 | landley | Plus a chromebook's dual core and 64 bits... |
| 23:10.51 | _av500_ | landley: I am beta testing a NAS that is a dual core atom with HT and 64bit |
| 23:11.08 | _av500_ | I could make that a build server since it does nothing all day |
| 23:11.16 | _av500_ | and has the storage obviously :) |
| 23:13.13 | calculus | landley: there is also sata on the minnowboard |
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| 23:20.41 | Guest27794 | landley: the minnowboard will retail for $199 |
| 23:21.15 | _av500_ | OMG |
| 23:21.20 | _av500_ | I can buy 5x rpi for that |
| 23:21.25 | _av500_ | its doomed |
| 23:21.27 | _av500_ | :) |
| 23:21.31 | Guest27794 | heh |
| 23:22.46 | wmat | will buy one |
| 23:23.17 | _av500_ | I just hope farnell and RS will have cases for it |
| 23:23.31 | _av500_ | and starter kits with overpriced sdcards and hdmi calbes |
| 23:24.09 | wmat | i'm still astounded that RPi has sold over 1 million units |
| 23:24.29 | _av500_ | I am not |
| 23:24.41 | _av500_ | it just proves that people only see price tags |
| 23:24.42 | wmat | I guess price wins, everytime |
| 23:24.46 | _av500_ | :) |
| 23:25.07 | _av500_ | I bet 900k are just sitting there |
| 23:25.13 | _av500_ | doing nothing |
| 23:26.10 | wmat | I'm sure the RPi image for XBMC has seen a huge increase in downloads |
| 23:26.34 | wmat | elinux.org membership has exploded since the RPi launch |
| 23:29.58 | _av500_ | yes |
| 23:30.09 | _av500_ | its a nice xbmc platform given its a STB SoC |