| 00:04.20 | prpplague | ~seen T0mw |
| 00:04.29 | purl | t0mw <~Tom@75.97.101.235.res-cmts.t132.ptd.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 3d 8h 24m 32s ago, saying: 'ok'. |
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| 00:50.03 | landley | Just implemented a compile-time probe creating lib/portability.h to suck O_NOFOLLOW out of asm/fcntl.h for broken headers where posix-2008 says O_NOFOLLOW is a thing and 2013 releases of distros say "oh, that's a gnu extension". |
| 00:50.15 | landley | I will not #define GNU_DAMMIT in toybox. Ever. For any reason. Because it isn't. |
| 01:19.06 | prpplague | sends email to t0mw in the hopes he will join the channel this evening |
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| 14:45.22 | prpplague | ~seen t0mw |
| 14:45.31 | purl | t0mw <~Tom@75.97.101.235.res-cmts.t132.ptd.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 3d 23h 5m 34s ago, saying: 'ok'. |
| 14:48.48 | prpplague | anyone have a current email address for tom? |
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| 15:27.16 | landley | I _think_ the only thing left to do for the aboriginal release is fix arm. |
| 15:27.42 | landley | Got toybox cp working on powerpc, and building under the old ubuntu from 2008... |
| 15:27.48 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:28.33 | av500 | arm, minor niche platform...... |
| 15:33.29 | landley | av500: well, arm versatile board is. Nobody seems to have real hardware for it anymore. |
| 15:34.06 | landley | It's the only one qemu emulates with a PCI bus I can attach virtual devices like scsi to. |
| 15:34.16 | landley | And they keep SCREWING UP THE INTERRUPT ROUTING. (Grrr.) |
| 15:34.45 | landley | They changed the IRQ controller's base address to 32, meaning the "27" SCSI is reporting is now 32+27. |
| 15:35.20 | landley | I can trivially do the math in the driver, I'm trying to find the RIGHT place to adjust it so I'm not hacking a platform-specific fix into generic code. |
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| 16:13.38 | landley | It's not fun snarking at busybox in #uclibc. There's nobody there anymore. |
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| 16:13.58 | landley | (The endless git commit bot spam drove everybody away...) |
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| 17:03.59 | prpplague | GPSFan: hey bud |
| 17:04.04 | prpplague | GPSFan: how goes it? |
| 17:04.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: getting ready for the spring sheep fun? |
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| 17:18.58 | GPSFan | prpplague, hey, yeah, getting to be a busy time of year, shearing, followed by lambing. |
| 17:19.07 | GPSFan | prpplague, how's the new job? |
| 17:22.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: the new job is "interesting" |
| 17:22.06 | prpplague | GPSFan: having to do a lot of cleanup |
| 17:22.25 | prpplague | GPSFan: was trying to track down t0mW to see if he had time to do some pcb layout work |
| 17:24.41 | GPSFan | prpplague, cco got anything interesting in the pipe? any word on the new beagleboard? |
| 17:24.58 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, new beaglebone coming |
| 17:25.05 | prpplague | GPSFan: http://www.minnowboard.org |
| 17:25.10 | prpplague | GPSFan: intel dev board |
| 17:25.31 | av500 | nitpick: the intel thing is not the new beaglebone :) |
| 17:26.16 | GPSFan | prpplague, ah, I saw both announcements, registered my interest in the new bone. I wonder if it is using some new unannounced Omap3 chip, |
| 17:27.13 | GPSFan | av500, if it were it would be called the beagleCingerBlock... |
| 17:27.24 | GPSFan | cinder.. |
| 17:27.39 | prpplague | av500: hehe yea GPSFan asked two question, i have two answers, but not in the correct order |
| 17:28.25 | GPSFan | proper ordering can be infered by context/phase-of-moon... |
| 17:28.37 | prpplague | indeed |
| 17:28.50 | prpplague | wishes t0mw would respond to his emails |
| 17:29.02 | prpplague | i really could use his skills |
| 17:29.16 | GPSFan | prpplague, well I hope you are enjoying the freedom from pandalbatross. |
| 17:29.43 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea for now |
| 17:29.58 | prpplague | GPSFan: although coming in on end of the minnow is somewhat troubling |
| 17:30.50 | landley | Apparently the Hexagon guys are getting a lot of educational users switching microcontroller classes over from the TI stuff. |
| 17:30.59 | landley | Because the TI stuff is considered dead end at this point. |
| 17:31.28 | landley | (Another side effect of not being able to get small unit lots, I suppose...) |
| 17:31.42 | GPSFan | prpplague, know what you mean, I've had several Intel dev boards (in former lives) and they leave a lot to be desired. esp in terms of support. once they oar out, the FAE's are looking to get you into the next one. |
| 17:31.56 | prpplague | landley: well the omap4/5 stuff is pretty dead |
| 17:32.15 | prpplague | landley: but the single core stuff is very active and has long term comittments |
| 17:32.25 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea |
| 17:32.28 | av500 | and the 8 core stuff :) |
| 17:32.34 | prpplague | GPSFan: we are working on that aspect |
| 17:33.13 | av500 | and i need to score that quad A15 when it comes out |
| 17:33.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:39.47 | landley | prpplague: I dunno, I'm just passing on what I heard. |
| 17:41.12 | prpplague | landley: yea there is a lot of misinformation due to the poorly worded and poorly planned omapagedon |
| 17:47.20 | landley | Driving customers away tends to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. |
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| 17:50.07 | prpplague | indeed |
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| 18:01.27 | prpplague | is again reminded why he has avoid doing x86 work |
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| 18:28.59 | landley | Oh? Why? |
| 18:42.03 | prpplague | landley: because of the closed nature of things like uefi and bios |
| 18:42.16 | prpplague | landley: and how freaky closed minded the x86 world is |
| 18:46.28 | mnemoc | misses ppc devboards |
| 19:00.09 | landley | prpplague: just slap openbios on the board? |
| 19:01.01 | landley | The DRAM refresh init portion of the proceedings shouldn't be too hard, and even QEMU contains the callback handling part of the BIOS (bochs). |
| 19:01.02 | prpplague | landley: yea it will have open support or such things, but it is really taking a toll on me to get the necessary info |
| 19:01.09 | landley | What do you need UEFI for? |
| 19:01.28 | landley | (I'm still not sure why anybody cares about UEFI, other than coping with boards that don't provide a legacy bios boot.) |
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| 19:03.17 | prpplague | landley: because the vast majority of new boards will ship with no bios |
| 19:03.24 | prpplague | landley: including the minnow board |
| 19:15.13 | landley | Why? |
| 19:15.36 | landley | (I know windows 8 requires it. I repeat the question.) |
| 19:16.41 | prpplague | landley: because that is where intel is going with their designs |
| 19:17.18 | prpplague | landley: minnow will only have UEFI, so i have to work with the specs i have, hehe |
| 19:27.26 | landley | prpplague: Remember when intel was trying to replace bios with a java-ish vm in ACPI, because requiring 16 bit x86 opcodes to boot itanic was embarassing to them? |
| 19:27.42 | landley | Nobody cared about the itanic-inspired replacement, why are they caring about this one? |
| 19:29.38 | landley | 5 days, no new videos. :( |
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| 19:44.04 | landley | 2 hours ago, they posted https://twitter.com/linuxfoundation/status/311531287745789952 |
| 19:44.13 | landley | But no new videos on the youtube channel in 5 days. |
| 19:44.14 | landley | Sigh. |
| 19:44.57 | landley | (If they hadn't recorded it at all I wouldn't mind, but as long as they _did_...) |
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| 21:44.08 | Shinda | hello |
| 21:50.53 | calculus | landley: sounds like you should help out lf with their video production |
| 22:09.36 | landley | calculus: I'd be happy to. _how_? |
| 22:09.40 | landley | Hi Shinda. |
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