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| 10:39.39 | keesj | I am searching for a nice image creation tools that doesn't require root. |
| 10:40.12 | keesj | possibly using fuse but I would prefer it only worked on files |
| 10:41.07 | keesj | for the the OMAP for example I need to create a FAT partition and some others (MINIX) and populate them |
| 10:42.58 | keesj | I found a few fuse and libguestfs related project but nothing really good or portable. |
| 10:44.45 | roxfan | mkdosfs needs root? o.o |
| 10:49.39 | av500 | fakeroot |
| 10:57.12 | keesj | fakeroot indeed solves 1/2 the problem |
| 10:58.43 | keesj | but I can't populate the file systems |
| 10:59.34 | keesj | I guess I really need genext2fs like stuff to just really work |
| 11:01.28 | av500 | and it does not work? |
| 11:03.31 | keesj | not for all files systems :P |
| 11:28.21 | av500 | well, maybe for minixfs you have to write it :) |
| 11:53.56 | thegorn | i find it almost impossible to do real embedded linux work without root |
| 11:54.33 | thegorn | better off instaling linux into a vm so you can have root |
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| 12:39.55 | av500 | thegorn: what do you need root for? |
| 12:45.57 | keesj | I had a look at Narcissus (open embedded) image build but they also use loop mount for the FAT http://pastebin.com/Xtz99s3X |
| 12:47.23 | keesj | and fakeroot |
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| 12:55.34 | landley_ | keesj: my build never requires root access on the host. |
| 12:55.36 | landley_ | I'm proud of that. |
| 12:56.23 | landley_ | gene2fs, mksquashfs, and the kernel's initramfs cpio creator all let you specify external dentry metadata so it can mknod and set ownership and permissions in the archive. |
| 12:58.06 | keesj | that should really be the default ( I am runnig jenkins to make the builds and don't even want to use loop file system and such) |
| 12:59.07 | landley_ | One of the design goals of my project was to run on an arbitrary system where the user didn't necessarily have root access. |
| 12:59.15 | landley_ | And it does. :) |
| 12:59.18 | keesj | I also know of sfdisk and such. |
| 12:59.29 | landley_ | Working on a release right now... |
| 12:59.35 | keesj | :p |
| 12:59.41 | landley_ | Eh, I make images and then point qemu at the file and boot the raw device. |
| 12:59.49 | landley_ | you don't _have_ to partition a disk in order to mount it under linux. |
| 13:00.10 | landley_ | keesj: you can use the previous release if you want. http://landley.net/aboriginal |
| 13:00.17 | landley_ | It went 1.0 years ago. |
| 13:00.23 | landley_ | (Well, year and change I think.) |
| 13:01.58 | keesj | the whole build system we have (netbsd) is quite alright) and it also keep meta data about the file permissions so we probably won't need fakeroot. it's just that last mile I am looking for |
| 13:41.55 | landley_ | Ooh, _you're_ the guy working on netbsd. |
| 13:41.58 | landley_ | I'd heard somebody was. |
| 13:52.14 | keesj | I am working on MINIX :P |
| 13:55.34 | keesj | but the userland and tools look more and more like netbsd(I heard) as I never really used netbsd. I did quite a lot of Linux based development in the past |
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| 18:05.28 | landley | Bwahahaha! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGmtP5Lg_t0 |
| 18:10.15 | prpplague | landley: finally posted? |
| 18:10.32 | calculus | patience is a virtue |
| 18:10.43 | landley | prpplague: yup. |
| 18:11.30 | calculus | now to decide for your texas talk |
| 18:13.05 | prpplague | "Alligators and Assholes: How to working in the Open Source Software Community" |
| 18:14.37 | landley | calculus: why copyleft is dying. |
| 18:17.27 | landley | Blah. |
| 18:17.34 | landley | Mistake at 11:20: 2005. |
| 18:17.38 | landley | (Yes, listening to my own talk. :) |
| 18:17.39 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:17.49 | prpplague | landley: only way to get better |
| 18:21.28 | landley | And at the 15 minute mark, why copyleft is dying. |
| 18:21.59 | landley | I can expand the few minutes I did on that topic into a full hour talk easy. :) |
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| 18:27.05 | wmat | prpplague: you should definitely do that talk |
| 18:27.16 | prpplague | wmat: hehe |
| 18:27.53 | wmat | or "Troll Hugging: How to Work in Open Source Projects and Not Get Eaten by a Troll" |
| 18:30.32 | calculus | Troll Hugging with the Three Billy Goats Gruff |
| 18:30.33 | landley | wmat: that got done, www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q52kFL8zVoM |
| 18:32.06 | wmat | ah |
| 18:35.35 | landley | It's a pretty good talk. |
| 18:36.24 | landley | wmat: there's a reason it's one of the "Videos worth watching" on http://landley.net/kdocs/ |
| 18:36.35 | landley | (Which should get synced up to kernel.org/doc before too much longer.) |
| 18:39.09 | wmat | does anyone work on telnet software anymore? |
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| 18:40.09 | wmat | the URL in the yum info for telnet on my fedora system points at a web.archive.org address |
| 18:43.07 | florian | heh |
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| 18:59.34 | landley | wmat: I could add a telnet to toybox in an evening, I think? |
| 18:59.49 | landley | It's netcat with initial negotiation to exchange environment variables and an escape key. |
| 19:00.04 | landley | telnetd is slightly harder due to the login stuff, but not that much. |
| 19:00.20 | landley | wmat: and busybox has a telnet, and telnetd. |
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| 23:54.32 | thegorn | av500, here's my issue with no root: first, inevitably you need build dependencies, so you want to install those. Second, sometimes you want to write the image directly to a SD card or otherwise (root). All kinds of fun drivers to talk to boards over jtag etc... |
| 23:56.20 | thegorn | you can do the actual build though as non root, just saying that not having root access on a machine makes for a very painful embedded dev experience |