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| 11:33.04 | Anaphaxeton | what options are there for a SoC that is OpenCL capable? (the only thing i would need the GPU for) |
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| 14:34.28 | Senor | chould I use busybox as my init programe at booting stage? |
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| 15:42.46 | mnemoc | Senor: busybox comes with a sysvinit, /etc/inittab thing |
| 15:48.30 | Senor | Does it generate one "shell" elf file after make? |
| 15:48.55 | Senor | mnemoc: Does it generate one "shell" elf file after make? |
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| 15:52.50 | mnemoc | normally busybox is one binary and a bunch of symlinks, but you can build it as a library and a pile of small independent binaries |
| 15:56.59 | Senor | can to config to build independent exes? |
| 15:57.21 | mnemoc | yes, but you'll waste a lot of space |
| 15:57.29 | Senor | sorry , How to config to build independent exes? |
| 15:57.41 | mnemoc | it's a CONFIG_ |
| 15:58.11 | Senor | there should be some config options related |
| 15:58.53 | mnemoc | yes |
| 15:59.20 | Senor | Hmm,which option? :) |
| 15:59.48 | mnemoc | i don't remember |
| 16:01.43 | Senor | it is just one option or serial of that? |
| 16:02.31 | mnemoc | just one |
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| 16:03.48 | Vishal2 | Hi |
| 16:03.56 | Vishal2 | Anybody there? |
| 16:04.09 | Vishal2 | I'm studying embedded systems and I could do with some advice |
| 16:04.15 | Vishal2 | anybody here to help me out? |
| 16:06.38 | Vishal2 | anybody there? |
| 16:06.48 | Senor | what device ? |
| 16:06.53 | Vishal2 | Hi |
| 16:07.09 | Vishal2 | I havve been studying from the past 1 year |
| 16:07.16 | Vishal2 | I havent even got a job yet |
| 16:07.22 | Vishal2 | I dont know what direction I'm heading in |
| 16:07.29 | Vishal2 | can you like advice me |
| 16:07.34 | Vishal2 | what kind of books I need to read |
| 16:08.26 | Vishal2 | What kind of skills do I need to develop that help me understand how to tackle tasks in an embedded systems job |
| 16:09.01 | mnemoc | get any of those cheap armv7 devboards and port something to it |
| 16:09.26 | mnemoc | getting dirty is the best way to learn |
| 16:09.57 | Vishal2 | i am learning interfacing |
| 16:10.07 | mnemoc | then interface something ;-) |
| 16:10.14 | Vishal2 | hehe |
| 16:10.17 | Vishal2 | suggest |
| 16:10.23 | Vishal2 | some interfacing books |
| 16:10.40 | Vishal2 | that help me understand hardware better |
| 16:11.03 | Vishal2 | exactly what kinds of skills are required in a basic embedded job |
| 16:11.54 | mnemoc | o'reilly's designing embedded hardware explains very simply a bunch of communications protocols |
| 16:12.22 | mnemoc | the skills will come with the experience. pick anything you like and *do* something |
| 16:12.42 | Senor | yes |
| 16:12.46 | Senor | right |
| 16:13.31 | Vishal2 | like, I have read quite a lot of books, but lets say I have a job interview in like a month, what do I need to prepare for |
| 16:15.16 | Vishal2 | I cant understand, & this is the 1st place i've come to, to seek help |
| 16:16.28 | mnemoc | you already know the theory, now get experience. buy any linux-cable devboard and do something with it |
| 16:17.28 | mnemoc | olinuxino, beaglebone, r-pi, cubieboard, etc etc etc .... there are a lot of under $100 devboards you can use to get dirty |
| 16:19.05 | Vishal2 | i have an 8051 board and i am learning how to interface |
| 16:19.19 | Vishal2 | k kool bye |
| 16:19.33 | mnemoc | 8051... |
| 16:22.14 | Senor | will embedded device occupy the main business region of computer tech ? |
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| 17:50.22 | Gohan | Hi |
| 17:50.37 | Gohan | I need to chat with some. Need advice on embedded systems. |
| 17:50.45 | Gohan | I'm a fresher |
| 17:55.03 | _av500_ | yes, and? |
| 17:57.43 | Gohan | hey av500 |
| 17:57.48 | Gohan | check private chat |
| 17:58.29 | mnemoc | *facepalm* |
| 17:59.08 | Gohan | ? |
| 18:00.23 | mnemoc | why would anyone want to talk in private about something you have not even asked |
| 18:01.05 | Gohan | oh its you mnemoc |
| 18:01.12 | mnemoc | new to irc I suppose |
| 18:01.22 | Gohan | my brother was chatting with you about 2 hours back I think |
| 18:01.31 | Gohan | you suggested some book to him? |
| 18:02.27 | mnemoc | no, I suggested him to experiment |
| 18:03.15 | mnemoc | and in your case, ask something concrete. and NEVER send private messages to people unless they've authorized you to do so |
| 18:04.24 | Gohan | alright. |
| 18:05.16 | Gohan | Hey, I have no knowledge about embedded systems. I just learnt a few things here and there. But he needs help and & just trying to give him some advice from people who are already proficient in this field |
| 18:06.05 | mnemoc | Gohan: start here: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 18:09.11 | Gohan | Thanks. This might actually help me communicate better. |
| 18:09.53 | mnemoc | indeed |
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| 18:11.40 | mnemoc | and it will help you become a better engineer |
| 18:12.24 | Gohan | hmm...I bookmarked it:) |
| 18:12.32 | mnemoc | better read it ;-) |
| 18:12.59 | _av500_ | the browser read it |
| 18:13.06 | _av500_ | like VCRs used to watch TV for you |
| 18:13.08 | _av500_ | :) |
| 18:13.14 | mnemoc | :) |
| 18:13.29 | Gohan | lol |
| 18:15.09 | Gohan | but yea, soo to build his resume he needs to like get practicing with different kinds of projects & open source projects & stuff. |
| 18:15.27 | _av500_ | that's a way, yes |
| 18:15.52 | Gohan | so are you guys with jobs in embedded systems? |
| 18:16.02 | _av500_ | yes |
| 18:16.07 | Gohan | how is it out there? on the job everyday? |
| 18:16.40 | Gohan | can one learn on the job? |
| 18:17.56 | SpeedEvil | depends |
| 18:18.22 | SpeedEvil | you can gain some experience on your own. |
| 18:19.03 | Gohan | or should he have already gained the knowledge and the practice? what works best? and how hard is it to actually get a job in this field in the first place? |
| 18:19.17 | SpeedEvil | for example, learn how to build android for a random target, and customise it as a kiosk app. |
| 18:19.54 | SpeedEvil | or make a raspberry pi controlled Quadcopter autopilot |
| 18:20.03 | _av500_ | basically, do anything |
| 18:20.05 | _av500_ | but *do* |
| 18:20.13 | SpeedEvil | it is a very very wide field |
| 18:20.29 | Gohan | hmm...I see |
| 18:20.51 | Gohan | so the more he practices, the more he will learn, the higher his chances to qualify in the interview |
| 18:21.18 | _av500_ | well yes |
| 18:21.27 | SpeedEvil | embedded covers from 256 word $.30 processors running toasters to multi core distributed systems flying a 787 |
| 18:21.41 | _av500_ | but an interview only 4 weeks away is a short time |
| 18:23.54 | Gohan | so if he can learn on the job, and yet if 4-6 weeks is a short time to prepare for a interview |
| 18:23.57 | Gohan | what should he do |
| 18:25.21 | mnemoc | get practicing ASAP |
| 18:25.41 | mnemoc | an go to a shrink to see that 3rd person issue |
| 18:26.06 | SpeedEvil | it depends. |
| 18:26.19 | SpeedEvil | what are the skills expected. |
| 18:27.22 | SpeedEvil | if you're going in as entry level, things will be very different from an experienced position |
| 18:28.08 | Gohan | I see. |
| 18:28.14 | Gohan | SO you support mnemoc? |
| 18:28.22 | Gohan | get practicing ASAP? |
| 18:28.47 | Gohan | and i didnt quite get that shrink for that 3rd person issue |
| 18:29.13 | SpeedEvil | it depends. doing stuff, even if tangentially relevant is good. |
| 18:30.44 | Gohan | this is good. any other tips? |
| 18:30.54 | Gohan | some specific projects he needs to work on? |
| 18:31.05 | mnemoc | 8051 is pretty irrelevant these days |
| 18:31.09 | Gohan | some books he needs to buy or some kinds of controllers he needs to buy |
| 18:31.24 | mnemoc | it's very unlikely your interviewer wants you for working with that |
| 18:31.53 | mnemoc | get a board that runs linux |
| 18:32.25 | Gohan | what kind of board exactly? |
| 18:32.32 | Gohan | you have something specific in mind? |
| 18:32.42 | mnemoc | you haven't said for what you are applying |
| 18:32.53 | mnemoc | "embedded development" is way too broad |
| 18:33.25 | Gohan | its for my brother. I'm just collecting advice. He's applying for an embedded systems job. I am not much clear on which company exactly. |
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| 18:39.57 | Gohan | well thanks for the help guys |
| 18:40.00 | Gohan | much appreciated |
| 18:40.05 | Gohan | I will mail this text to my brother |
| 18:40.11 | Gohan | Thanks for all the advice:) |
| 18:40.22 | mnemoc | Gohan: as a general rule the most useful can be linux and android porting |
| 18:40.54 | mnemoc | and writting some drivers.... but that depends a lot on what the company is searching for |
| 18:41.29 | mnemoc | blindly a "embedded system job" can mean anything |
| 18:43.45 | SpeedEvil | literally toasters to 787s |
| 18:51.01 | _av500_ | toastes 787, yum |
| 20:27.28 | sjhill | _av500_: yeah, but writing software for them sucks |
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