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| 16:14.00 | landley | prpplague: so how goes your intel board? |
| 16:14.08 | prpplague | landley: not too bad |
| 16:14.34 | prpplague | landley: it seems pretty stable and we are progressing towards distribution release mid -june |
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| 16:16.17 | *** topic/#edev is Discussion of embedded systems (Hardware/Software/Linux/Commercial Device Repurposing) : Busybox and Buildroot : http://www.elinux.org : Logs available at ibot.rikers.org |
| 16:16.33 | landley | Pondering doing a kickstarter-like to see if any of the companies using toybox want to throw money at me anonymously to work on it full-time for a bit after this contract. |
| 16:17.01 | landley | If not, it means I don't have to feel guilty about not keeping up with the contributions. |
| 16:17.27 | landley | (The downside of corporate code is it's actually more work for me to clean up to my standards than it would be to write a new thing from scratch.) |
| 16:17.37 | landley | I've been doing a series on "how I clean up a command" on the toybox list. |
| 16:17.56 | prpplague | landley: ahh interesting |
| 16:18.18 | landley | First one's http://lists.landley.net/pipermail/toybox-landley.net/2013-May/000974.html |
| 16:18.26 | landley | but they're not hugely sequenced, I need to do an index post. |
| 16:18.38 | landley | There are now _16_ cleanup commits on ifconfig alone, and I'm maybe 2/3 done. |
| 16:18.59 | landley | (Ordinarily I do it as a giant blob, but I thought I'd break it up and explain in detail in hopes other people might learn to do this.) |
| 16:19.57 | landley | I mentioned the start of it in The Blog That Nobody Reads: http://landley.net/notes.html#17-04-2013 |
| 16:22.19 | prpplague | does a quick look |
| 16:22.41 | prpplague | wmat: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 16:23.11 | prpplague | wmat: these look like some interesting items that might make either a 1) good wiki page or 2) a write up for linuxgizmos |
| 16:24.03 | wmat | looks |
| 16:24.29 | landley | prpplague: I'm not kidding about there being _16_ entries in the ongoing ifconfig cleanup so far. |
| 16:24.44 | landley | Plus another 3 for uuencode before that, and that started fairly clean. |
| 16:25.10 | landley | After the first couple (linked from said blog post) I started tagging 'em [CLEANUP] in the subject. |
| 16:25.53 | landley | (It's enormously time consuming, but I'm not making good use of my contributors' time if I just fill a "pending" directory with stuff I have to rewrite because I can do it in 1/3 as much code...) |
| 16:31.52 | XandriX | o/ prpplague |
| 16:37.07 | XandriX | and o/ landley |
| 16:38.09 | landley | XandriX: hmmm? |
| 16:39.50 | XandriX | just sayin hi |
| 16:40.04 | XandriX | havent been here in a while (phisicaly) my nick is well always around lol |
| 16:41.01 | landley | Hello. |
| 16:41.19 | landley | I'm backporting v9fs to centos, which uses a 2.6.32 kernel. |
| 16:41.29 | landley | For those of you playing along at home, that's over 4 years old. |
| 16:41.55 | landley | But it's not stock 2.6.32. Not remotely. It's full of random backports of stuff so there's version skew all over the place. |
| 16:42.06 | XandriX | v9fs ? |
| 16:42.11 | landley | 9p. |
| 16:42.33 | landley | http://landley.livejournal.com/48698.html |
| 16:43.13 | XandriX | thought it rang a bell |
| 16:43.17 | landley | (That description is actually kind of obsolete, and doesn't cover the protocol versions (9p2000 vs 9p2000.u vs 9p2000.L). |
| 16:43.38 | landley | The current is .L. The reason I'm doing the backport is the 4 year old version only supported .u, but the server we want to use only implements .L. |
| 16:43.57 | landley | Basically 9p2000 was from the last release of Plan 9 before Ken Thompson retired. |
| 16:44.30 | landley | It's a great protocol, but doesn't use posix semantics. (Usernames are transmitted as ascii strings, not uids. No suid bit. Stuff like that.) |
| 16:44.46 | landley | So 9p2000.u extended the protocol for posix compliance. The .u means "unix semantics". |
| 16:45.13 | landley | Then the Linux guys went "we have extended attributes and getdents() that does batched directory entry fetches, and so on". |
| 16:45.24 | landley | So they did 9p2000.L with all the weird linux-specific corner cases. |
| 16:46.27 | landley | v9fs went into Linux in 2005, they collected real world use data for a few years, and did 9p2000.L in 2009/2010. |
| 16:47.16 | landley | Pretty much all the old 9p2000.u servers have ceased development in favor of the .L ones (diod for TCP/IP transpot, virtfs in qemu for virtio transport, presumably IBM's got an RDMA one deep in the bowels of IBM...) |
| 16:47.56 | landley | The problem is the centos kernel is from late 2008, and just predates the introduction of 9p2000.L. So to use v9fs with it, we'd have to ship a discontinued sever, or backport a newer driver. |
| 16:50.46 | XandriX | damn |
| 16:51.23 | XandriX | is the new beaglebone out ? is it the one they call the beaglebone black ? |
| 16:52.32 | landley | XandriX: google says http://beagleboard.org/Products/BeagleBone%20Black |
| 16:53.06 | landley | If prpplague was still working at TI, I'd be quite interested. |
| 16:53.31 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 16:53.33 | XandriX | o.O prpplague used to work at TI |
| 16:53.54 | prpplague | landley: well i am still involved with the related TI products such as the black |
| 16:53.58 | XandriX | anyone know wich distributor sells the beaglebone black for the lowest price ? |
| 16:54.27 | prpplague | XandriX: they should be selling it for the same MSRP, if they aren't they will get cut as a distributor |
| 16:54.47 | landley | prpplague: https://twitter.com/mirell/status/335129187495075841 |
| 16:55.20 | landley | I get various pings from my social network of people disappointed in OMAP support. |
| 16:55.30 | landley | I keep thinking everybody knows, but no... |
| 16:56.31 | prpplague | landley: hehe indeed |
| 16:56.36 | landley | prpplague: how much ram does beagelebone black have? The specs page on beagleboard doesn't say. |
| 16:56.42 | prpplague | landley: the whole thing is just bizarre |
| 16:57.44 | landley | prpplague: No, it's simply myopic. "Seeds are too small for us to see, we only care about full-grown trees. Meeting agenda topic one: why are there not enough trees?" |
| 16:57.48 | prpplague | landley: it's 512mb |
| 16:57.56 | landley | prpplague: ooh, that's pretty nice. |
| 16:57.59 | calculus | 512mb on the black, 256 on the white |
| 16:58.19 | prpplague | landley: yea, the thing is they are allowing omap4 and omap5 to die on support, but keep pushing it to customers |
| 16:58.22 | landley | http://beagleboard.org/Products/BeagleBone%20White |
| 16:58.24 | landley | Page not found. |
| 16:58.32 | prpplague | landley: they just announced the omap5 board this week |
| 16:58.53 | landley | prpplague: you saw that there are entire $50 netbooks in china, right? |
| 16:59.05 | prpplague | landley: hmm where did that link from? |
| 16:59.13 | prpplague | landley: normal page for the "white" should be http://beagleboard.org/Products/BeagleBone |
| 16:59.18 | prpplague | landley: yea |
| 16:59.27 | prpplague | landley: mostly allwinner based designs |
| 16:59.40 | landley | http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?shipCountry=us&shipCompanies=&SearchText=epc&exception=&CatId=100005061&SortType=price_asc&pvId=&needQuery=y |
| 16:59.45 | calculus | I saw a Mars board at MakerFaire |
| 17:00.13 | wmat | can't keep up |
| 17:00.24 | landley | prpplague: it didn't, I just edited the URL by hand because I didn't get a hit for "white". |
| 17:00.38 | prpplague | landley: ahh |
| 17:00.45 | landley | You mean "old beaglebone". Which is $90 for less memory and a slower processor. |
| 17:01.04 | prpplague | landley: yea i have a stack of those netbooks, those are the via based ones |
| 17:01.09 | XandriX | ugg back to work |
| 17:01.18 | prpplague | landley: yea the "old beaglebone" as some different functionality |
| 17:01.26 | prpplague | landley: as it is intended more for OEM stuff |
| 17:01.32 | prpplague | landley: bigger temp range |
| 17:01.34 | XandriX | prpplague: think u gonna be around irc around 5h from now ? |
| 17:01.38 | prpplague | landley: easier to mix-match |
| 17:01.57 | prpplague | XandriX: i am here on/off pretty much 24/7 |
| 17:02.05 | prpplague | if i am not around, just ping me and wait, hehe |
| 17:02.08 | XandriX | lol then i shall try |
| 17:06.01 | calculus | prpplague: you get my ping about solar impulse? |
| 17:13.46 | prpplague | calculus: yea, unfortunately the children have end of year exams, so thats a no-go |
| 17:16.15 | calculus | prpplague: then just time for daddy and boss to nerd out |
| 17:16.37 | prpplague | hehe |
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