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| 13:12.05 | keesj | prpplague do you know if the TcT sd-card mux is going to happen? |
| 13:19.35 | prpplague | keesj: yea it is, but probably not for another couple of months |
| 13:20.08 | prpplague | keesj: from what i can tell, linaro is no longer interested in it for their lava testing, so i have it as a low priority |
| 13:20.59 | keesj | thanks |
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| 13:43.01 | prpplague | keesj: you still interested in some? |
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| 14:11.28 | keesj | prpplague: yes |
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| 14:37.09 | prpplague | keesj: give me an email at danders@tincantools.com , i'll see what i can do |
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| 20:24.49 | prpplague | av500: just fyi, my insurance rates went up 176% so i'll be paying the fine.... |
| 20:25.00 | prpplague | av500: so i've gone from having insurance to not having insurance |
| 20:25.31 | prpplague | av500: and still having to pay out about the same amount |
| 20:25.47 | prpplague | av500: so for me it's a no win situation |
| 20:30.54 | _av500_ | if you pay the rate, why do you pay a fine? |
| 20:31.17 | _av500_ | sorry, but I dont understand |
| 20:32.16 | landley | _av500_ Governor Perry opted out of a lot of the provisions that make the program affordable. |
| 20:32.35 | landley | Texas is trying very, very hard to engineer a failure for Obamacare. It won't work, but we're going to have a few unpleasant years. |
| 20:32.40 | _av500_ | perry is a obama supporter? |
| 20:33.06 | landley | No, he's the "I'll shut down three parts of the government" guy who was drunk during the primary and couldn't remember the third. |
| 20:33.21 | _av500_ | so its perrycare then in texas |
| 20:33.53 | landley | I've been getting individual insurance in Austin for ~5 years now and it's gone up more than 50% some years even before obamacare. |
| 20:33.59 | landley | Private insurance is generally dysfunctional. |
| 20:34.06 | landley | _av500_ it's perry lack-of-care. |
| 20:34.56 | landley | In April I had an emergency room visit here in St Paul because I got my first migrane and confused a "scintilating scotoma" for a stroke. |
| 20:35.06 | _av500_ | i know |
| 20:35.15 | _av500_ | i read the blog that nobody reads |
| 20:35.19 | landley | The ambulance bill to go 2 blocks was $1600. |
| 20:35.31 | Crofton|work | private insurance is a disaster in the US |
| 20:35.40 | landley | Of which my texas insurance ("everything is out of network!") paid nothing but said $400 applies to my deductable. |
| 20:35.59 | landley | How I can incur $1600 of expenses and they decided $400 of it "applies to my deductible"... how does that work? |
| 20:36.00 | _av500_ | I will not try to find reason in this |
| 20:36.03 | landley | Private insurance. |
| 20:36.09 | landley | The free market at work, baby. |
| 20:36.13 | landley | Caveat Emptor. |
| 20:36.15 | _av500_ | yes |
| 20:36.19 | _av500_ | just like you like it :) |
| 20:36.25 | landley | I don't, know. |
| 20:36.30 | landley | s/know/no/ |
| 20:36.36 | landley | purl: you stay out of this. |
| 20:36.55 | landley | I wanted medicare for all. There was some nut from florida who gave great speeches. |
| 20:37.10 | landley | (Basically what people _thought_ they were electing when they voted for Stuart Smalley up in Minnesota.) |
| 20:37.19 | landley | He was the only guy pushing for it. |
| 20:37.42 | landley | has to hit the post orifice before it closes... |
| 20:48.42 | prpplague | _av500_: sorry was doing some testing |
| 20:49.19 | _av500_ | np |
| 20:49.37 | prpplague | _av500_: anyway, i can not afford the new rate, so i have no insurance |
| 20:49.44 | prpplague | _av500_: which means i have to pay the fine |
| 20:49.59 | _av500_ | the rate of obamacare? |
| 20:50.06 | _av500_ | how much is that? |
| 20:50.21 | prpplague | not sure what you mean by "rate of obamacare" |
| 20:50.29 | _av500_ | what rate? |
| 20:50.38 | _av500_ | private insurance? |
| 20:50.41 | prpplague | _av500_: rate for my insurance premium |
| 20:50.49 | prpplague | _av500_: correct |
| 20:51.27 | _av500_ | prpplague: I have to admit, I am not well versed in US healthcare |
| 20:51.42 | prpplague | _av500_: obamacare basically just states you have to have insurance |
| 20:51.50 | _av500_ | I was asusming obamacare was a counterpart to private healthcare |
| 20:51.57 | prpplague | _av500_: uh no |
| 20:52.04 | _av500_ | you US people are sooo woerd |
| 20:52.07 | _av500_ | weird |
| 20:52.13 | _av500_ | must be in the beer |
| 20:53.00 | prpplague | _av500_: obamacare is basically a requirement that you purchase insurance, and that the insurance you purchase must meet very specific requirements |
| 20:53.26 | _av500_ | ic |
| 20:53.38 | prpplague | _av500_: problem is the companies can charge greatly different amounts to anyone they choose |
| 20:53.59 | prpplague | _av500_: only those below a certain income level get their insurance paid for via a tax credit |
| 20:54.31 | _av500_ | I quote landley and blame Perry then :) |
| 20:54.34 | prpplague | _av500_: basically any family earning over $96k a year (combined) has no assistance |
| 20:54.56 | prpplague | _av500_: hehe |
| 20:55.56 | prpplague | _av500_: i'd be perfectly happy with universal health care if everyone paid the same amount |
| 20:56.33 | _av500_ | well |
| 20:56.38 | _av500_ | I dont pay the same |
| 20:56.51 | _av500_ | it goes by the salary |
| 20:56.54 | _av500_ | I pay the max already |
| 20:57.00 | _av500_ | but I can afford it |
| 21:01.08 | prpplague | _av500_: ok, even it was based on salary, that would be acceptable |
| 21:01.29 | _av500_ | that is the system here |
| 21:01.45 | _av500_ | if you are at the max, you are free to use private |
| 21:01.52 | _av500_ | but you cannot go back |
| 21:01.54 | prpplague | _av500_: but that is NOT what obamacare does |
| 21:02.03 | _av500_ | and private is par person, not per family |
| 21:02.11 | _av500_ | so it starts cheap and ends up expensive |
| 21:02.25 | _av500_ | so old people try tricks to get back into public :) |
| 21:03.59 | _av500_ | prpplague: if obamacare forces people to have insurance, it addss people to the pool, no? |
| 21:04.07 | _av500_ | so why would rate for exisitng payer rise? |
| 21:05.19 | prpplague | _av500_: there is no "pool" like you are thinking. secondly, in the past you could get a wide array of options for your insurance, but now all of the policies must cover specific items |
| 21:05.47 | prpplague | _av500_: for example my previous insurance had a $10k deductable |
| 21:06.02 | prpplague | _av500_: and did not cover any pregnacy or birthcontrol |
| 21:06.38 | _av500_ | prpplague: now you need to take birth control? |
| 21:07.00 | _av500_ | 10k means you pay the first 10k? |
| 21:07.04 | _av500_ | ouch |
| 21:07.06 | prpplague | _av500_: yea |
| 21:07.37 | prpplague | _av500_: so now all policies must cover those items |
| 21:07.45 | prpplague | _av500_: and the dedictables are much lower |
| 21:08.12 | _av500_ | prpplague: ic |
| 21:08.31 | prpplague | _av500_: so for me obamacare is a complete disaster |
| 21:09.17 | prpplague | _av500_: i'd be perfectly happy if it was really "universal health care" but that isn't what it is |
| 21:09.30 | _av500_ | understood |
| 21:09.42 | _av500_ | as said, yu US people are weird |
| 21:10.53 | prpplague | _av500_: yes indeed we are, but i had nothing to do with obamacare.... |
| 21:11.32 | _av500_ | right |
| 21:12.52 | prpplague | _av500_: i prefer to keep my money and decide how to spend it rather than have the government tell me what i have to spend it on |
| 21:16.06 | Marco_9238011293 | This may have a silly question: why would gdb read debug symbols for compiled (with -g) .c files but not assembled (with -g) .S files in the same .elf? |
| 21:17.22 | Marco_9238011293 | it can if I use "file assembled.o" in gdb, but understandably the origin is set to zero |
| 21:19.47 | Marco_9238011293 | .text session of the ld file is set as thus: safeg.o(*) \n start.o(*) \n *(.text) |
| 21:19.59 | Marco_9238011293 | safeg.o and start.o originate from .S files |
| 21:21.35 | Marco_9238011293 | gdb can set breakpoints and list line info in the .c files in the project just fine, but "info sources" doesn't list the .S files at all when I load the resulting .elf |
| 21:24.14 | MonMotha | prpplague: I'm getting similarly screwed. My $5500 deductible policy (and I have more than the deductible squirreled away in my HSA) no longer counts, so I need to reduce the deductible quite substantially or pay the penalty anyway. |
| 21:24.30 | MonMotha | it may actually be cheaper to just pay the penalty and buy the "insurance" if I get sick, which is totally counter to how this was supposed to work |
| 21:25.16 | prpplague | MonMotha: exactly |
| 21:25.16 | _av500_ | prpplague: unless this is private, what is the rate? |
| 21:25.17 | landley | MonMotha: actually that's what the penalty's for. |
| 21:25.37 | prpplague | _av500_: i am sorry i do not understand the question |
| 21:25.42 | _av500_ | how much |
| 21:25.59 | _av500_ | if you can disclose |
| 21:26.01 | landley | They couldn't pass a tax (politically), the goal was to make "prexisting conditions" go away, and people buying insurance only _when_ they get sick would bankrupt insurers. |
| 21:26.01 | _av500_ | if not , fine too |
| 21:26.07 | landley | So they called the tax a fine. |
| 21:26.14 | MonMotha | landley: right, the "penalty" is supposed to account for people abusing the must-issue and no-excluding-preexisting-conditions provisions |
| 21:26.26 | prpplague | _av500_: you mean how much would my rate have been if i had decided to accept? |
| 21:26.38 | _av500_ | yes |
| 21:26.56 | MonMotha | but if it's cheaper to pay the "penalty" and "abuse" said provisions than to buy the cheapest "insurance" available that counts, there's going to be people doing the math and doing just that |
| 21:26.59 | prpplague | pulls up the quote |
| 21:27.03 | prpplague | one sec |
| 21:28.11 | MonMotha | As it stands, I currently *have* major medical insurance. The coverage is actually pretty inclusive, and since I've maintained coverage for long enough (albeit jumping insurers, which my state law allows), I have no pre-existing condition exclusions. |
| 21:28.55 | MonMotha | but the deductible is "too high". Apparently you can't trust people to manage their finances correctly to be able to handle such high deductible plans correctly, so they no longer count. If I maintained my policy as-is, which I may be able to do (but why?), I'd have to pay the penalty anyway. |
| 21:29.38 | MonMotha | and given that the penalty phases in rather slowly, it may actually be cheaper for me to drop my insurance and pay the penalty for a few years. If I get sick, I can always just buy "insurance" (notice the quotes) to cover it when I need it. |
| 21:30.05 | MonMotha | that's a totally perverse, backwards incentive compared to the stated policy goals |
| 21:30.12 | prpplague | _av500_: was $640 per month, would have been $1920 per month |
| 21:30.30 | _av500_ | for the whole family? |
| 21:30.56 | prpplague | _av500_: yea |
| 21:31.18 | _av500_ | ok, so you used to pay what I pay |
| 21:31.18 | _av500_ | but with no deductible |
| 21:31.28 | _av500_ | except on some meds |
| 21:31.46 | _av500_ | your health system is fucked |
| 21:31.47 | landley | http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/pat-garofalo/2013/06/04/study-rejecting-obamacare-medicaid-expansion-costs-gop-governors-money |
| 21:31.53 | prpplague | _av500_: yep |
| 21:31.57 | MonMotha | prpplague: I was amused that when I applied for my policy, they asked me if I was pregnant. Note that I'm male, and they already know that from earlier in the questionnaire. |
| 21:32.03 | _av500_ | and that is not obamas fault |
| 21:32.05 | landley | Forcing insurers to cover people who medicaid would have covered is expensive. |
| 21:32.20 | prpplague | _av500_: no he just made it worse |
| 21:32.37 | landley | There were significant subsidies involved. Perry rejected those in hopes of damaging the obama administration. |
| 21:32.40 | MonMotha | _av500_: the issue is mostly cost related combined with the cost of most major medical insurance being hidden from the actual policyholder because it's typically paid for by employers. |
| 21:32.53 | prpplague | MonMotha: exactly |
| 21:32.56 | landley | As have the house republicans who have voted to repeal obamacare 37 times this year, even though they know it won't happen. |
| 21:33.11 | landley | Not interested in fixing it, they're playing politics. Kinda sad. |
| 21:33.16 | prpplague | landley: yea it isn't going away now |
| 21:33.30 | MonMotha | _av500_: the ACA didn't really fix either of those, unfortunately. It just made everybody buy "insurance", which I guess at least would, if it actually happened, fix the "people getting smashed by outrageous unexpected medical bills" and "people being unable to afford lifesaving treatment" issues |
| 21:33.30 | landley | has had 4 emergency room visits in the past 4 years. |
| 21:33.38 | landley | It's expensive either way. |
| 21:33.41 | prpplague | landley: just that it is worse for me and my family, so i'll just have to deal... |
| 21:34.06 | landley | prpplague: the hispanic population of texas will overcome the gerrymandering in about 8 years. |
| 21:34.07 | prpplague | MonMotha: benefit transfer |
| 21:34.13 | prpplague | landley: yea |
| 21:34.15 | landley | Once the GOP goes the way of the whigs, this should get fixed up fairly quickly. |
| 21:34.25 | prpplague | hehe, no for me they wont |
| 21:34.28 | landley | Keep in mind the GOP fought against social security and medicare exactly the same way in the first place. |
| 21:34.30 | MonMotha | _av500_: I'm personally a huge fan of making everybody get high deductible plans and then FORCING them to contribute at least some amount (e.g. 25% of the max or 25% of their deductible) to their HSA |
| 21:34.38 | prpplague | besides in 8 years, i'll be back in barbados |
| 21:34.41 | landley | Sabotage of both programs lasted less than ten years before they gave up and tried to take credit for them. |
| 21:34.46 | MonMotha | that would make them aware of the costs of their care and give them an incentive to avoid unnecessary treatment (since they're on the hook for the first e.g. $1500) |
| 21:35.02 | prpplague | landley: yea, both of those programs will never benefit me either |
| 21:35.24 | MonMotha | I'm not actually a big fan of forcing people to contribute to an HSA or similar, but apparently it's necessary since people in the USA utterly suck at budgeting and risk evaluation. |
| 21:35.39 | landley | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bejdhs3jGyw |
| 21:35.46 | MonMotha | (and I max out my HSA yearly, anyway, so it wouldn't affect me) |
| 21:36.27 | landley | MonMotha: we should just have an NHS here, but it's politically impossible right now. |
| 21:36.40 | landley | Then again passing anything is politically impossible right now. |
| 21:37.16 | prpplague | landley: indeed |
| 21:37.21 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea so do i |
| 21:38.20 | MonMotha | landley: that's an option. One option I'd like to explore is just allowing everybody to buy into Medicare, should they choose. That would give the existing insurers real competition (without just putting them out of business entirely, which is one reason single-payer is unfeasible) while allowing everybody to keep the coverage they have now. |
| 21:38.41 | MonMotha | Make the rates based more on income than risk, so you can catch the high-risk people |
| 21:39.05 | prpplague | MonMotha: exactly |
| 21:39.11 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'd buy into it |
| 21:39.12 | MonMotha | it'll end up being heavily subsidized, sure, and eventually it may put the existing insurers out of business, but it would only do that if it actually works, and in that case I'm fine with it |
| 21:39.30 | MonMotha | prpplague: I'd certainly consider it, though I currently have a very good option (for me) from Anthem |
| 21:40.07 | MonMotha | I'm young, healthy, single, and make, so I just buy a HDHP and basically pay my own way for everyday medical expenses. It's basically "I got hit by a bus" or "Oh crap, is that cancer?" coverage |
| 21:40.15 | MonMotha | s/make/male/ |
| 21:40.57 | MonMotha | that's probably the people the mainline insurers would end up with, and those are the people they want anyway. The government would end up absorbing the costs of the higher risk people (though medicare or similar), but that's what's basically happening now, anyway. |
| 21:45.58 | calculus | prpplague: that is cheap for your family insurance, my family pays over $5000 per month |
| 21:46.15 | calculus | also you should see if you have rate limiting in your policy |
| 21:46.33 | prpplague | calculus: i dropped it back in december |
| 21:46.47 | calculus | my parents have something like max increase of %20 every 6 months |
| 21:47.27 | calculus | oh course, the insurance company conviently hits the max every time |
| 21:47.55 | MonMotha | my rate increases have actually been a fair bit lower than that |
| 21:47.58 | MonMotha | more like 20% per year |
| 21:48.19 | MonMotha | (which is of course still much higher than overall inflation, but in line with medical cost inflation) |
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