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| 22:31.09 | S_J | I guess it is not possible to make a programmer for a PIC yourself? it is some sort of closed software needed? |
| 22:32.56 | MonMotha | S_J: I don't know to what degree the protocol is documented. I was of the impression that basic flash loading was documented via some interface. |
| 22:33.24 | MonMotha | the on-chip debug protocol is definitely not documented officially |
| 22:34.06 | S_J | Are all PIC debuggers terrible? 1 breakpoint? |
| 22:35.45 | S_J | Would it be possible to make your own debugger or is that really really hard? I have a fair bit experience of embedded development and I have good programming skills. Just dont have any particular knowledge about this subject. But it would be cool to make a cheap programmer that could be used for the most used processors. |
| 23:06.37 | MonMotha | S_J: Microchip sells various "levels" of debugger hardware pods. The highest end for the PIC12/PIC16/PIC24/dsPIC33 is the "Real ICE" and will typically give you at least 3 breakpoints, usually more like 10 (depending on what CPU family you're using) |
| 23:06.47 | MonMotha | the cheaper pods like the ICD3 do only give you one breakpoint on PIC24/dsPIC33 |
| 23:07.23 | MonMotha | afaik, the debug protocols are totally undocumented (though somebody may have reverse engineered it), and the only supported debugger software for use with those pods is the various incarnations of MPLAB - there's no gdbserver |
| 23:09.36 | S_J | ok ty |
| 23:13.42 | MonMotha | if you can use ARM instead, the debug protocols for ARM Cortex-M is totally standard and documented (lots of options available, commercial and F/OSS), and all the chips I've seen fully document their flash controllers, too |
| 23:22.31 | S_J | but is there any need for programmers/debuggers for ARM? |
| 23:33.59 | MonMotha | for bare metal ARM applications, absolutely |
| 23:34.06 | MonMotha | look up openocd |
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