| 00:00.13 | Umeaboy | landley: OK. Is he around on IRC somewhere? |
| 00:01.42 | landley | If he is, I dunno his handle. |
| 00:01.48 | landley | (He has been before, but I haven't seen him in a while.) |
| 00:06.47 | Umeaboy | landley: OK. |
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| 21:51.57 | S_J | if i want a 6lowpan network, would i run it over zigbee nodes?' |
| 21:59.44 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 21:59.49 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it. |
| 22:00.21 | SpeedEvil | Zigbee is a 'full stack' - and you can't talk through it at the lower levels without the higher level authorisation. |
| 22:00.46 | SpeedEvil | But my understanding is fuzzy, owing partially to the retarded standard licencing. |
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| 22:23.53 | MonMotha | SpeedEvil: you're correct |
| 22:23.59 | MonMotha | ZigBee is a "full stack" on top of 802.15.4 |
| 22:24.06 | MonMotha | and its licensing is incompatible with F/OSS |
| 22:24.40 | MonMotha | 6LoWPAN is basically an adaptation layer for running IPv6 over 802.15.4. It does not specify any form of mesh routing discovery and so is not a direct replacement for ZigBee |
| 22:25.10 | MonMotha | it may be possible to use 6LoWPAN frames as PDUs in ZigBee (and therefore get access to its mesh routing facilities), but I'm not familiar enough with Zigbee to say. |
| 22:33.03 | S_J | ok, so i need 802.15.4 radios connected to a microcontroller |
| 22:33.26 | MonMotha | most 802.15.4 "radios" are pretty useless otherwise |
| 22:34.26 | SpeedEvil | It may be a better plan to state your problem. |
| 22:34.38 | SpeedEvil | Sometimes complex networks are way overkill. |
| 22:35.06 | SpeedEvil | And sometimes the best solution is to just say screw-it, and pay the 19 euro or so for a linux system with integrated wifi. |
| 22:35.28 | S_J | 19 euro for a linux system? you mean raspberry? |
| 22:35.29 | SpeedEvil | http://shop.8devices.com/carambola |
| 22:42.52 | S_J | "This algorithm is post-quantum, and may even be a good solution when the |
| 22:42.53 | S_J | quantum computation is standardized." What do they mean by that? Sounds bullshittish |
| 22:43.11 | S_J | SpeedEvil: why buy that 20euro module instead of a rasp? |
| 22:45.24 | S_J | 802.11 bgn |
| 22:45.53 | SpeedEvil | Because it's smaller, lower power open-source - doesn't have massive GPU blobs, amongst others. |
| 23:00.14 | S_J | GPU blobs? |
| 23:00.38 | S_J | so what about 802.15.4 vs 802.11? can i run 6lowpan over both? |
| 23:05.57 | SpeedEvil | 802.11 is wlan. |
| 23:06.16 | SpeedEvil | Or is it ethernet too - I forget. Anyway - no. |
| 23:06.32 | MonMotha | 802.3 is ethernet |
| 23:06.44 | MonMotha | both are somewhat compatible being based on 802.1 stuff |
| 23:07.07 | MonMotha | you can bridge an 802.11 and 802.3 network pretty cleanly (and indeed this is the normal "distribution system" for 802.11 networks) |
| 23:07.26 | MonMotha | there's no need to run 6lowpan on 802.11. You can just run IPv6 with no adaptation layer |
| 23:10.11 | S_J | ok |
| 23:10.46 | S_J | interesting,t y for the tip, i want to learn both linux and wpan stuff |
| 23:12.28 | S_J | 8 MB Flash and 32 MB RAM |
| 23:12.36 | S_J | but doesnt say anything about the processor |
| 23:12.38 | MonMotha | that's awfully tight for Linux, but doable |
| 23:13.39 | SpeedEvil | If you're doing a GUI - yes. |
| 23:14.11 | SpeedEvil | For a tiny web-accessible micro-server, and some simple scripting to control a light-switch - not really. |
| 23:16.26 | g1powermac | SpeedEvil, neat module |
| 23:16.37 | SpeedEvil | It is. |
| 23:17.40 | SpeedEvil | http://dx.com/p/hi-link-hlk-rm04-serial-port-ethernet-wi-fi-adapter-module-blue-black-214540 is the same module, with a wierd firmware |
| 23:19.15 | S_J | MonMotha: really, awfully tight? ive heard people only needing 2MB RAM |
| 23:20.45 | S_J | gn, ty |
| 23:20.53 | MonMotha | 2MB RAM? I don't think you can boot the kernel on that |
| 23:20.56 | MonMotha | 2MB flash might work |
| 23:21.19 | SpeedEvil | XIP might change things a bit |
| 23:21.36 | MonMotha | I'm just thinking that I remember 2.2.x having trouble booting on 4MB (no XIP) |
| 23:21.48 | MonMotha | XIP is neat, but 2MB is not much RAM |
| 23:22.06 | MonMotha | but you might be able to cram a compressed image (no XIP, then) into 2MB of flash |
| 23:24.58 | SpeedEvil | You pretty much can't buy 2MB ram chips nowadays. |
| 23:25.09 | SpeedEvil | They are not cheapest, anyway |
| 23:25.47 | MonMotha | I figured |
| 23:25.49 | MonMotha | well, not DRAM |
| 23:25.53 | MonMotha | you can get 2MB SRAMs easily enough |
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