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| 21:07.42 | KolgVX | Anyone use AVR much? I want to buy a starter kit but I am unsure if I need the in-circuit-debugger or if just using the simulator is enough, I will be using it for a lot of IO, motors, radio etc so I guess it is better tyo go for the in-circuit debugger. if it is possible with tinyavr. |
| 21:25.54 | MonMotha | KolgVX: I find I don't use the debugger all that often, and when I do, it's mostly for inspecting memory, not breakpoints. In real-time control applications like motors, you often have to resort to non-intrusive methods of debugging like debug by printf or debug by GPIO toggling. |
| 21:26.10 | MonMotha | that said, the JTAGICE mk3 is cheap enough to be fairly accessible |
| 21:26.51 | MonMotha | It's not OpenOCD+FTDI pod cheap, but it's reasonable. You can also get 3rd party JTAGICE mk2 knock-offs, though I've had somewhat mixed luck with them. |
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| 21:49.49 | KolgVX | MonMotha: How does simulator work with the hardware? You can set ports etc or see if they are set? |
| 22:03.34 | KolgVX | Do you need a power supply for using AVR MCU:s or can you power via the computer/USB? |
| 22:04.24 | SpeedEvil | USB is in many cases a useful 5V PSU |
| 22:04.32 | SpeedEvil | not all AVR MCUs can run from 5V |
| 22:07.29 | roxfan | most eval boards are usb-powered |
| 22:07.48 | roxfan | if you make your own circuit you'll need to figure it out yourself |
| 22:12.43 | KolgVX | Computers dont have jtag normally, i assume the itnerface is computer->usb->jtag->mcu? |
| 22:13.20 | roxfan | yes, ftdi handles usb-jtag conversion |
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| 22:16.07 | KolgVX | I guess there will be some day where I regret not having the in-circuit debugger som might as well buy it. |
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| 22:41.47 | SpeedEvil | ICDs are very chip specific in general. |
| 22:42.28 | SpeedEvil | It's possibly not a good idea to buy one (if it's moderately expensive) unless you're certain you will actually be using the MCU for serious stuff. |
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| 23:02.01 | KolgVX | icd=integrated chip debugger? |
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| 23:58.09 | SpeedEvil | In circuit Debugger. |