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| 16:06.28 | prpplague | sjhill: hey bud |
| 16:06.33 | prpplague | sjhill: long time no see |
| 16:06.37 | prpplague | sjhill: what's cookin? |
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| 16:21.32 | sjhill | prpplague! |
| 16:23.41 | sjhill | trying to keep track of all the new platforms |
| 16:28.27 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:30.14 | sjhill | and working on getting my soldering skills back |
| 16:31.00 | sjhill | my motherboard died in my main workstation last week |
| 16:31.10 | sjhill | cause ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague |
| 16:31.30 | sjhill | I found all the bad caps, pulled them, put new ones in...motherboard fixed |
| 16:31.37 | sjhill | pats himself on the back |
| 16:31.50 | av500 | well done |
| 16:31.53 | SpeedEvil | yay |
| 16:31.58 | sjhill | that article is a fascinating read btw |
| 16:32.04 | SpeedEvil | how long did it take? |
| 16:32.10 | SpeedEvil | I mean how old |
| 16:32.30 | SpeedEvil | sjhill: I find it amusing that if you use a 6.3V cap at 6.3V - it was just fine. |
| 16:32.38 | sjhill | http://www.tyan.com/archive/products/html/thunderk8we.html |
| 16:32.42 | sjhill | that's my motherboard |
| 16:32.47 | SpeedEvil | If you used it at 3.3, the oxide layer would break down and die. |
| 16:32.58 | sjhill | took me about 1-1/2 hours to get all the old caps identified and removed |
| 16:33.13 | sjhill | and just under 1 hour to put the new ones in |
| 16:33.25 | sjhill | it took my 4 hours to find all the replacements caps on digikey though |
| 16:33.31 | sjhill | s/my/me/ |
| 16:33.34 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 16:33.37 | SpeedEvil | preheated? |
| 16:34.02 | sjhill | SpeedEvil: sorry, don't understand |
| 16:34.25 | SpeedEvil | Did you preheat the board? |
| 16:34.29 | sjhill | no |
| 16:34.51 | sjhill | i suppose i could have taken my heat gun and did that |
| 16:34.53 | sjhill | didn't think |
| 16:34.55 | sjhill | to |
| 16:35.04 | sjhill | good idea, i'll do that next time |
| 16:35.18 | sjhill | yeah, back to the 6.3V thing |
| 16:35.42 | sjhill | the wiki page talks about the whole industrial espionage of the electrolytic formula |
| 16:36.21 | sjhill | when the engineer stole the formula when going to his new company, he did not realize he had missed a page or so of further information |
| 16:36.31 | sjhill | thus the electrolytic was faulty |
| 16:36.38 | prpplague | sjhill: nice |
| 16:37.17 | sjhill | FTA it cost Dell about $100 million to deal with the problem...ouch |
| 16:38.12 | SpeedEvil | I suspect that any 'modern' motherboard caps are not suffering from any plague other than being shit. |
| 16:38.27 | sjhill | ummm, yeah that about sums it up |
| 16:38.29 | SpeedEvil | Underspecced, overheated, and ... |
| 16:38.29 | sjhill | :) |
| 16:39.09 | SpeedEvil | The issue for the plague was stuff dying unusually early - even below normal crap consumer gear expectations. |
| 16:39.57 | sjhill | right |
| 16:40.00 | sjhill | whoa, my bad |
| 16:40.06 | sjhill | it cost dell $420 million |
| 16:44.26 | bounce | found a device: http://pastebin.ca/2535483 and I'd like to root it. ideas? |
| 16:45.30 | sjhill | bounce: can you get to the uboot prompt? |
| 16:46.48 | bounce | nope. tried enters, ^C, breaks, etc. apparently shut off. |
| 16:47.52 | sjhill | you might do a search and see what other secrety key combinations people have found to get a uboot prompt, or check for interesting jumpers |
| 16:48.09 | bounce | do have firmware images of *some* firmware (that're gettable with a little creativity even though the company really doesn't want you to) |
| 16:48.41 | bounce | there's a cr2032 on the board, but removing it didn't help a thing. turns out it's dead already. |
| 16:50.14 | bounce | there's a 2x5 which might be a serial, haven't tried yet, and four 1x8 with one pin missing, looks like might be jtag. and I have a flyswatter. hooking it up didn't do me much good so far, but might be my inexperience. |
| 16:50.37 | SpeedEvil | Do you have an oscilloscope? |
| 16:50.54 | bounce | no, sorry. multimeter, but no scope. |
| 16:53.01 | bounce | how fancy such a thing would I need? |
| 16:58.50 | SpeedEvil | Not very - it's just handy in that you can fairly easily tell if something is outputting what is likely to be serial data. |
| 16:59.22 | SpeedEvil | Basically the process is boot with scope connected to pin 1, set at perhaps 1ms/division - and see if you get something that looks like serial. |
| 16:59.31 | SpeedEvil | power down, and repeat with pin 2 |
| 17:00.50 | bounce | could hook up the serial part of the flyswatter. no idea of pinout though. how likely is stray 3.3v going to damage the flyswatter? |
| 17:01.15 | bounce | or the board, for that matter |
| 17:01.35 | bounce | the dmesg comes from the serial on the front, though |
| 17:04.57 | SpeedEvil | If you've found one serial that's outputting stuff, it's not very likely another will be too |
| 17:05.05 | SpeedEvil | oh - I should have actually read backscroll |
| 17:05.27 | SpeedEvil | Make sure the voltage you are sending is right. |
| 17:05.39 | SpeedEvil | If it's too low, it may not be being recognised at all by the port |
| 17:06.04 | SpeedEvil | Also - as it's GPL, you should be able to easily get the source code for the router. |
| 17:07.22 | bounce | *should*, yes. they want service contracts for fw and manuals and don't offer source: http://kb.mrv.co.il/Knowledge/ |
| 17:07.41 | bounce | already sent'em a mail or two, no answer. soon it'll be time to pass it on to gpl violations. |
| 17:08.00 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 17:08.11 | SpeedEvil | Are they a 'western' vendor? |
| 17:09.02 | bounce | israel, stateside presence. |
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| 17:23.27 | bounce | have some shitty photos of the innards of the box is you'd like |
| 17:42.26 | SpeedEvil | naah |
| 17:45.03 | bounce | hooked up the flyswatter to one of the might-be-jtag things, got an unexpected idcode back. hooked it to the next one, got the same unexpected idcode back. |
| 17:45.53 | bounce | googling the code seemed to indicate a power controller or other, didn't look like there's two of those on the board. *puzzled* |
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| 20:56.23 | Mirell | Gah. |
| 20:56.28 | Mirell | Just missed him. |
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| 21:03.15 | Mirell | waves at prpplague |
| 21:03.33 | prpplague | Mirell: hey bud |
| 21:03.38 | prpplague | Mirell: long time no see |
| 21:03.49 | Mirell | Ayup |
| 21:06.14 | Mirell | How goes the gold market? |
| 21:06.28 | prpplague | Mirell: down a bit |
| 21:06.40 | Mirell | NOT. |
| 21:06.42 | Mirell | POSSIBLE. |
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| 21:06.57 | prpplague | Mirell: hehe |
| 21:07.00 | Mirell | You were convinced it was the next Housing Bubble of 2008 |
| 21:07.31 | prpplague | Mirell: not really |
| 21:08.07 | prpplague | Mirell: just the only type of investing i felt comfortable with |
| 21:08.11 | Mirell | prpplague: Sadly, all my logs are lost. |
| 21:08.13 | Mirell | Ahh |
| 21:08.44 | prpplague | i sold some off at $1750 |
| 21:09.08 | prpplague | i recently bought some more back at $1200 |
| 21:09.39 | prpplague | all the original purchases were around $715 |
| 21:12.04 | Mirell | prpplague: I love how "investing" is just a legal, taxable, dressed up form of gambling |
| 21:16.35 | prpplague | Mirell: yea |
| 21:16.36 | prpplague | Mirell: for me i really just needed something that would combat inflations, that's about i |
| 21:16.37 | prpplague | it |
| 21:16.39 | Mirell | prpplague: Dirty BitCoin Hippy |
| 21:16.39 | _av500_ | well, gvmt makes more money on real gambling |
| 21:16.40 | prpplague | well 2013 was a rough year, and i don't expect 2014 to be any better |
| 21:16.42 | prpplague | just glad i purchased the metals when i did |
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