| 00:00.04 | landley | I'm willing to submit matches to ellcc if I can get that to finish building. |
| 00:00.12 | landley | Presumably they can marshall them on. |
| 00:00.27 | landley | Not willing to sign over copyrights to the FSF. (Never was.) |
| 00:00.46 | MonMotha | landley: looks like the binutils project has already accepted a patch for this particular issue. It's just not in a release version yet (or I'm a version behind) |
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| 18:16.38 | SpeedEvil | All that is old is new again. |
| 18:16.51 | SpeedEvil | Arise the 4 megabyte linux system. |
| 18:16.55 | SpeedEvil | Housed in a 5.4mm x 6mm package, Aster is integrated with ARM7 ESJ, Bluetooth 4.0/Bluetooth Low Energy, power management unit and memory (4Mbytes of flash and 4Mbytes of SRAM). MediaTek is pitching it as the "smallest SoC" with "highest integration" for wearables. |
| 18:25.29 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: yea, i saw that post |
| 18:25.34 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: nice little design |
| 18:25.53 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: but yea, getting linux running on small memory has always been where the real fun is |
| 18:26.03 | MonMotha | so this is a potential single-chip Linux solution? |
| 18:26.43 | SpeedEvil | MonMotha: Technically yes. |
| 18:26.55 | SpeedEvil | It's not actually going to be shipped with linux. |
| 18:27.10 | SpeedEvil | You could clearly get linux on it. |
| 18:27.21 | SpeedEvil | how useful it'd be is another question. |
| 18:27.42 | MonMotha | yeah, getting the kernel down to the point where it will even boot on 4MB may be a challenge these days, let alone leaving anything left for usersace |
| 18:27.45 | MonMotha | *userspace |
| 18:28.24 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 18:28.26 | SpeedEvil | cat /proc/meminfo |
| 18:28.26 | SpeedEvil | MemTotal: 6124 kB |
| 18:28.26 | SpeedEvil | MemFree: 792 kB |
| 18:28.39 | SpeedEvil | Is actually in use on my network. |
| 18:28.43 | SpeedEvil | It's my DSL modem. |
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| 20:29.37 | Lars_G | Device vendors should just use early 2.4 kernels and backport their drivers and security fixes |
| 20:29.55 | Lars_G | I'd say 2.2 even, but iptables is a big thing to lose |
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| 20:39.09 | SpeedEvil | Not an insane position, indeed. |
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| 21:12.37 | MonMotha | Lars_G: I actually have a console server that's 2.2 based |
| 21:13.09 | MonMotha | I was looking at their "firewall" rules (which is just the output of ipchains-save) and going "huh?" for a bit until I realized it was ipchains, not iptables |
| 21:13.09 | Lars_G | MonMotha: Oh, serial console server? |
| 21:13.12 | MonMotha | Lars_G: yeah |
| 21:13.16 | Lars_G | I love those. I wish I had one at work |
| 21:13.19 | MonMotha | Cyclades TS-2000 |
| 21:13.32 | MonMotha | they can be had for <$100 on eBay for the huge models |
| 21:13.40 | Lars_G | Yeah that shift from ipchains to iptables was hard for me too |
| 21:14.09 | Lars_G | And I still haven't gotten used to using ip, instead of ifconfig/route/etc |
| 21:16.10 | MonMotha | oh, iproute2 is so much nicer than the old stuff |
| 21:25.54 | calculus | don't forget there is a new player now, nftables |
| 21:42.09 | MonMotha | yes - it looks very powerful and clean, though quite different |
| 21:42.26 | MonMotha | somewhat reminiscent of what the xtables project was trying to accomplish a while back |
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