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| 07:13.35 | sorphin | TomW: evening tom |
| 07:13.49 | TomW | :P ain't software fun? |
| 07:13.55 | sorphin | depends |
| 07:13.56 | sorphin | which? |
| 07:14.30 | TomW | naw, just some customer stuff. This guy has almost a meg of software source on this older product. ALL of it in Assembler! |
| 07:14.40 | sorphin | hmm |
| 07:14.57 | sorphin | when i moved to linux i forgot 99% of it ;p |
| 07:14.59 | TomW | That MEG is the code, not the source files. sorry. |
| 07:15.24 | TomW | I haven't done a line count in quite a while to see how lines of source he has. |
| 07:15.41 | sorphin | TomW: well, my webpals will be here monday, my zaurus should be here wednesday |
| 07:17.44 | TomW | roughly 200,000 lines of code. He has developed this thing over a 20 year period and he has a lot of "magic numbers" in his code. |
| 07:18.12 | sorphin | heh |
| 07:18.29 | TomW | so, I end up coding my controller to make up for shit that he hasn't got time to fix (sic: "do it the right way") in his code. |
| 07:18.41 | sorphin | ;) |
| 07:20.23 | TomW | I tried to get him into using C as far back as 14 years ago. When I built him a new CPU card for the unit, we went from a Nat Semi 8070 processor over to an 80188. At that time, I used Borland C v4.5 as the development platform. It was _hoped_ that he would then start coding in C. |
| 07:20.27 | TomW | right... |
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| 07:21.34 | sorphin | heh |
| 07:21.49 | TomW | so, he keeps coding, coding, coding, ..., making useless improvements to his software base which only have a commercial value to himself. If he ever sold the company / product line, the ASM source would be considered a liability!!! |
| 07:22.27 | TomW | sorphin: he just doesn't understand how much of a liability 200K lines of ASM source is. |
| 07:23.00 | sorphin | heh |
| 07:23.34 | TomW | he has been moving to incorporate a color LCD into his product. What he did to do that was to embed a single board computer (running WinNT) into the unit, just to drive the LCD. |
| 07:24.16 | TomW | Well, things may change. He needs a remote display. Something that can replicate the contents of the display on the unit and display it elsewhere. |
| 07:24.42 | TomW | I have been looking at using the CL-PS7500FE processor to do that. So, the webpal is a timely find for me. |
| 07:26.07 | TomW | Now, since I designed a fair amount of the boards in his unit, maybe I can come up with a scheme like putting an 8051 inside the main backplane to run the realtime shit, then use the ARM processor to run the display and handle the overall program logic flow. |
| 07:26.20 | TomW | That ARM processor would be running linux. heh |
| 07:26.42 | TomW | nothing like trying to get myself some "job" security, eh? |
| 07:27.25 | sorphin | yeah |
| 07:28.02 | TomW | He and his people are primarily 8 bit bangers. He has no understanding of the Segment Registers inside the 80188 and thier purpose. I designed the board and about the only one who understands how it runs, so, I don't expect them to understand a 32bit CPU with an MMU. |
| 07:28.45 | TomW | I am just doing some work on some of my controller code and plotting how to take over the world. :D |
| 07:28.53 | TomW | lol |
| 07:29.00 | TomW | muuuhhhahahha! |
| 07:29.26 | TomW | no? |
| 07:29.46 | sorphin | nope |
| 07:29.49 | sorphin | too fscked up |
| 07:29.55 | TomW | sorphin: my webpals should be here Tuesday. |
| 07:30.25 | sorphin | i just gotta bug a neighbor today to accept the package for me monday |
| 07:30.59 | TomW | It will be interesting to finally lay my hands on one of those units. I want to reverse engineer it so I have schematics to work from to modify one to my own needs. I do have four CL-PS7500FE processors here (samples). |
| 07:31.07 | sorphin | thankfully i got the guy sending the zaurus to send to work, much easier |
| 07:33.56 | TomW | any special plans for the webpals? |
| 07:35.17 | sorphin | not yet.. gotta get em here 1st, investigate the internals 1st hand |
| 07:36.32 | TomW | yeah, I was wondering about the comment from that one website that said something that since there was no PLL clock, then the only resolution for the LCD was 640x480? |
| 07:36.58 | sorphin | yup |
| 07:37.12 | TomW | That processor is supposed to be able to handle the Dual Scan LCD displays. |
| 07:37.16 | sorphin | well |
| 07:37.23 | sorphin | prolly w/ a pll :P |
| 07:37.30 | sorphin | guess we'll find out |
| 07:37.39 | TomW | yup |
| 07:37.47 | sorphin | since we prolly got the same rev as jordan |
| 07:37.52 | sorphin | we'll have to lift that pin for ide |
| 07:38.14 | TomW | I keep checking with the UPS tracking, but it only shows my webpal shipment "disappering" into Richmond, CA depot. |
| 07:38.58 | sorphin | mine when i checked friday |
| 07:39.09 | sorphin | had left Lenexa, KS |
| 07:40.31 | sorphin | it's at the earth city, MO hub (where i used to work) |
| 07:40.37 | sorphin | so it's ready to be delivered |
| 07:40.40 | TomW | ? weird, mine only shows leaving the depot at Richmond CA on Dec 11th. |
| 07:40.59 | sorphin | heh |
| 07:41.04 | sorphin | see what it says monday ;) |
| 07:41.05 | TomW | delivery data is still slated for Dec 17th. |
| 07:41.10 | sorphin | yeah |
| 07:41.16 | sorphin | the tracking doesn't always update right |
| 07:41.28 | TomW | yeah, probably will see it arrive in Harrisburg PA sometime Monday Afternoon. |
| 07:41.32 | sorphin | if the deliv date were gonna change, it would change on that tracking |
| 07:41.47 | sorphin | i didn't see shit from richmond to lenexa |
| 07:41.56 | sorphin | then from lenexa to earth city |
| 07:42.12 | sorphin | prolly what'll happen |
| 07:42.25 | sorphin | is monday you'll see the harrisburg scan, and the others previous |
| 07:42.34 | sorphin | just didn't get pushed for some reason |
| 07:43.04 | TomW | probably cause they are using WinNT servers, etc., to run their shit. |
| 07:43.25 | TomW | It is an "anomoly". |
| 07:44.09 | sorphin | nod |
| 07:44.23 | sorphin | the important part is that it shows up ;) |
| 07:44.35 | sorphin | i'll tell you this, the webserver shit may be NT, but the other shit isn't ;) |
| 07:44.36 | TomW | <sigh> Looks like I have to send one of the motherboards I got in 2 weeks ago back for replacement. The CPU fan drive is not working and the CPU fan is not running on that board. |
| 07:45.15 | TomW | I got the Celeron processors to stuff the boards with and that board is not running the fan, drat. |
| 07:45.49 | TomW | I don't think I'll see the replacement board until sometime in January. |
| 07:46.20 | sorphin | heh |
| 07:47.05 | sorphin | never used a beast like this tho, at worst case, i've tried cutting w/ a damn drill bit ;p |
| 07:47.59 | TomW | Ahhh! I love my Dremel tool! After I purchased it abt 10 years ago, I wondered how I ever got along without having one before. |
| 07:49.24 | TomW | It is really great for doing work on plastic enclosures, like slitting a slot in the Tux to insert the JTAG. Or, having a trace to cut on a bunch of PCBs. |
| 07:49.53 | sorphin | heh |
| 07:50.12 | sorphin | i'm cheap, hence this thing |
| 07:50.17 | sorphin | $20 |
| 07:50.39 | TomW | I got the drill press for it and used it at one time to drill holes in the fiberglass PCBs that I was etching (Press-n-Peel). |
| 07:50.47 | sorphin | nod |
| 07:50.54 | TomW | hmmm, maybe too cheap? |
| 07:50.59 | sorphin | we'll see |
| 07:51.07 | sorphin | has 60 accessories |
| 07:51.11 | TomW | well, the Dollar is still strong. |
| 07:51.18 | sorphin | tis cordless, and 10,000 rpm |
| 07:51.24 | sorphin | and has a 5 year guarantee |
| 07:51.34 | sorphin | so we'll see i suppose |
| 07:52.49 | TomW | well, looks like this project is about completed. |
| 07:53.05 | TomW | hmph, 7 more to go... :( |
| 07:53.38 | sorphin | has all the stuff, the wire brushes and buffers are fine |
| 07:53.44 | sorphin | as are the drill bits |
| 07:53.45 | TomW | Winter & Spring are always my busy times.. Which is nice, I get the Summer months off. |
| 07:54.02 | sorphin | it's the diamond things, the grinders and the cutting discs |
| 07:54.30 | TomW | sorphin: yeah, I only got the Dremel, a case for it, and a couple of tools. 10 years ago, it cost me about $70 for it. |
| 07:55.04 | TomW | But, what is nice about those dremel-type tools is just about everyone has attachments for them. |
| 07:55.19 | TomW | did you get the finger chuck? |
| 07:56.20 | TomW | similar to a handheld drill where the bits are tightened into the drill using a key, but on the dremel you operate it with your fingers. |
| 07:56.26 | sorphin | right |
| 07:56.32 | TomW | you got one? |
| 07:56.38 | sorphin | it is part of it |
| 07:56.50 | TomW | cool, then it sounds like a good deal. |
| 07:57.03 | sorphin | it has 3 collets |
| 07:57.06 | sorphin | erm |
| 07:57.07 | sorphin | 4 |
| 07:57.31 | TomW | <sigh> Some of us have to spend the big bucks on this stuff so that people like you can come along, years later, and get it cheaper. |
| 07:57.40 | sorphin | 20 diamond burrs |
| 07:57.45 | sorphin | 10 mounted stones |
| 07:57.50 | sorphin | 6 sanding drums |
| 07:57.53 | sorphin | 5 cutting wheels |
| 07:57.58 | sorphin | 4 buffing wheels |
| 07:58.04 | sorphin | 3 wire brushes |
| 07:58.10 | sorphin | 1 grinding stone |
| 07:58.14 | sorphin | 4 drill bits |
| 07:58.18 | sorphin | 1 engraving bit |
| 07:58.19 | TomW | heh, maybe I should look for another dremel type tool just to get a handfull of cool atachments for my Dremel? |
| 07:58.33 | sorphin | got this at walgreens ;p |
| 07:58.45 | sorphin | in their seen on tv shelf |
| 07:59.06 | TomW | yeah, we don't have a Walgreens around here anywhere that i know of. We have a Sears and a Walmart though. |
| 07:59.07 | sorphin | tis cordless |
| 07:59.10 | sorphin | umm |
| 07:59.16 | sorphin | walgreens is EVERYWHERE :P |
| 07:59.29 | TomW | not in NorthEaster PA for some reason. |
| 07:59.46 | TomW | maybe it is 'cause I live in Pennsyltucky? |
| 07:59.48 | sorphin | whats your zip? |
| 07:59.53 | TomW | 18360 |
| 08:00.23 | sorphin | a ha |
| 08:00.27 | sorphin | found 2 |
| 08:00.34 | sorphin | they're in bethlehem, pa tho |
| 08:01.22 | TomW | Maybe that is it, I seldom go into Bethlehem, I do get into Allentown about once a month. Allentown is next to Bethlehem. |
| 08:01.30 | sorphin | nod |
| 08:01.34 | sorphin | well |
| 08:01.41 | sorphin | it's w/in 25 miles *grin* |
| 08:01.49 | TomW | We call it ABE (Allentown, Bethlehem, Easton), they all run together into a super-city. |
| 08:01.57 | sorphin | right |
| 08:02.17 | sorphin | my good friend sarah lives aroudn that area |
| 08:02.41 | sorphin | btw |
| 08:02.42 | TomW | Easton is a dump, Bethlehem is a God-awful place to get around in, and Allentown is nice. So, I go to Allentown. |
| 08:02.46 | sorphin | www.inventionchannel.com |
| 08:02.49 | sorphin | bout mid page |
| 08:03.08 | sorphin | that's where the rotomatic is (among a zillion other as seen on tv websites) |
| 08:03.37 | TomW | Bethlehem is one of those towns that are proud of their Revolutionary War heritage and they keep the stinky little convoluted streets the same was as when they were in the 1700's. |
| 08:03.41 | TomW | :( |
| 08:03.47 | sorphin | lovely |
| 08:04.59 | TomW | They don't even bother replacing the slate sidewalks, the only thing they do is pry them up and re-level the sand under them. I have tripped on my ass more than once walking around in Bethlehem, so I stay out of that town. Parking is a real bitch! |
| 08:05.14 | TomW | But, thwy have a nice tourist trade... |
| 08:05.25 | TomW | s/thwy/they/ |
| 08:05.35 | sorphin | heh |
| 08:05.52 | sorphin | unless it has decent architecture |
| 08:05.52 | TomW | Do you have a street address on the Walgreens? |
| 08:05.57 | sorphin | wouldn't interest me ;) |
| 08:05.59 | sorphin | yes |
| 08:06.00 | sorphin | hold |
| 08:06.06 | TomW | sorphin: just colonial, old shit. |
| 08:06.23 | sorphin | 2979 LINDEN ST |
| 08:06.23 | sorphin | BETHLEHEM,PA 18017-3233 (610) 807-9042 (610) 807-9045 No Yes |
| 08:06.23 | sorphin | 2240 SCHOENERSVILLE RD |
| 08:06.23 | sorphin | BETHLEHEM,PA 18017 (610) 861-4675 (610) 861-7494 No Yes |
| 08:06.58 | TomW | Ah, Shoenerswill Road, that is on the outskirts and not a bad highway. Thanks. |
| 08:07.14 | TomW | Linden Street sux. |
| 08:07.47 | TomW | I have to get some money before I can Christmas shop. :( |
| 08:07.56 | TomW | I'm broke again. |
| 08:08.02 | sorphin | shoulda only bought 1 webpal ;p |
| 08:08.23 | TomW | Naw, that was money that I had in my paypal account (found money). |
| 08:09.04 | TomW | Besides, I could not pass up a deal like that. :D |
| 08:09.10 | TomW | ;) |
| 08:09.19 | TomW | cheap toys! |
| 08:09.23 | sorphin | kinda like me w/ that 12.95 firewire card ;p |
| 08:09.47 | TomW | Hmm, I have firewall on all my machines here, but nothing to attach to 'em. |
| 08:09.58 | TomW | s/firewall/firewire/ |
| 08:10.19 | sorphin | still need to order my damn usb 2.0 card before end of month |
| 08:10.29 | sorphin | $9.95 after $10 rebate |
| 08:10.39 | sorphin | and linux supported |
| 08:10.56 | TomW | I'm interested in that firewire external store units. That could be a solution to doing backups of the remote linux stuff I got scattered around in other locations. |
| 08:11.06 | sorphin | should look to see if the firewire is supported.. tis the TI chip |
| 08:11.10 | TomW | s/store/storage/ |
| 08:11.55 | TomW | like, take the 80Gig Firewire drive to a location, copy the files, then bring it back here and run the SCSI tape to back it up. |
| 08:12.36 | TomW | What you got on Firewire now? |
| 08:12.42 | sorphin | heh |
| 08:12.50 | sorphin | nothing, i kinda need that card 1st ;p |
| 08:13.03 | TomW | umm, toys. |
| 08:13.33 | sorphin | eh? |
| 08:13.57 | TomW | new toy, just that you haven't had time to play with such a thing before. |
| 08:14.20 | TomW | heh, buy it, try it, "hey! this thing is usefull" or "more junk". |
| 08:14.30 | sorphin | kinda like the webpals :P |
| 08:14.42 | sorphin | Mail Station |
| 08:14.46 | TomW | Ah, they call that "experience with ..." |
| 08:15.19 | TomW | sorphin: is that that Cisco thingy that was supposed to let you do email only? |
| 08:15.28 | sorphin | not cisco |
| 08:15.32 | sorphin | cidco |
| 08:15.33 | TomW | or, was it 3COM? |
| 08:15.42 | TomW | Cidco? |
| 08:15.44 | sorphin | yes |
| 08:15.52 | sorphin | they make caller id boxes among other things |
| 08:16.03 | TomW | lol, wonder if Cisco will sue them for trade name confusion? |
| 08:16.09 | sorphin | umm |
| 08:16.10 | sorphin | no |
| 08:16.27 | sorphin | they've been around a while |
| 08:16.37 | sorphin | could sue cisco for being like crisco :P |
| 08:17.12 | sorphin | anyhow, bed time |
| 08:17.13 | sorphin | night |
| 08:17.44 | TomW | I did that a lot with radio gear, I would buy stuff and only 25% of it would go on-the-air. Like the 10Ghz microwave transceiver horns I bought one time... |
| 08:17.48 | TomW | later |
| 08:17.54 | TomW | I got work to finish. |
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| 18:14.51 | kergoth | hm |
| 18:15.14 | kergoth | mkfs.jffs2 loses SUID/GID in its image |
| 18:15.20 | kergoth | my suid busybox becomes 0755 |
| 19:21.07 | sorphin | and to quote part of the headline on /. about Brin+Google+morality: "Cigarettes and booze are evil; porn is not." |
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| 19:25.21 | kergoth | hey erik |
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| 21:07.56 | prpplague | whats cookin today guys? |
| 21:08.50 | sorphin | bout to head to worst buy to grab a movie |
| 21:09.25 | prpplague | sorphin: girls gone wild? |
| 21:09.51 | kergoth | hey prpplague |
| 21:10.15 | sorphin | just read a compare of the 5500 and 5600 zaurus, besides the cpu, and a mono speaker, the remaining difference is the memory setup.., 32M ram and 64 of protected flash in the 5600 |
| 21:10.21 | sorphin | prpplague: nah |
| 21:10.28 | sorphin | prpplague: Christmas Story |
| 21:10.31 | sorphin | bbl |
| 21:10.45 | prpplague | kergoth: hey |
| 21:10.55 | prpplague | kergoth: working the z today? |
| 21:11.24 | kergoth | prpplague: yeh, gleaning sanity from lineo's embedix patch to get 2.4.19-rmk4 on the Z, i'm tired of 2.4.6 |
| 21:12.11 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm, kinda like a fbi profilier? i.e. getting into the mind of insanity to bring things to order? |
| 21:12.40 | kergoth | prpplague: something like that. I'm not doing a very good job of getting into their mindset tho |
| 21:14.59 | prpplague | kergoth: make sure you don't go to far, else you might not come back :) |
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