irclog2html for #elinux on 20030103

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`01:42.15`	`sorphin`	`BZFlag-aid`
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`02:29.47`	`andersee`	`BZFlag: unemplyed eh?`
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`02:31.04`	`prpplague`	`sjhill: lo`
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`02:31.17`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: lo`
`02:31.20`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: you alive`
`02:31.30`	`sjhill`	`hi prpplague`
`02:31.59`	`prpplague`	`sjhill: word?`
`02:34.53`	`sjhill`	`prpplague: the word for today is 'unemployed'`
`02:35.57`	`file`	`sjhill: I'm ninoless`
`02:36.43`	`prpplague`	`sjhill: i've been reminded of that dilbert cartoon today`
`02:38.13`	`andersee`	`sjhill: I suppose technically I'm unemployed too`
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`02:38.27`	`cpenguin_home`	`Evening`
`02:38.33`	`prpplague`	`cpenguin_home: lo`
`02:38.44`	`andersee`	`sjhill: My last contract ended at midnight onthe 31st`
`02:39.01`	`sjhill`	`i did manage to score a $3k contract today, but that only keeps me going for about 2 months`
`02:39.13`	`sjhill`	`i should count my blessings`
`02:39.20`	`sjhill`	`andersee: ooo, sorry to hear that`
`02:39.22`	`file`	`sjhill: good luck...`
`02:39.26`	`sjhill`	`file: thx`
`02:39.48`	`sjhill`	`on the bright side, i installed my new debian server last night and things work great`
`02:39.50`	`andersee`	`sjhill: Not really that bad... The folks where that contract expired told me to keep the invoices coming till the new contract is in place.`
`02:40.16`	`andersee`	`sjhill: Thats why I said "technically unemployed"`
`02:40.26`	`sjhill`	`bah`
`02:42.10`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
`02:42.40`	`sorphin`	`sjhill: what're you doin in here? no mips whores allowed grin`
`02:42.55`	`sjhill`	`ibot: fishslap sorphin`
`02:42.56`		`ACTION slaps sorphin up side the head with a wet fish.`
`02:43.02`	`sorphin`	`~lart sjhill`
`02:43.08`	`sorphin`	`muhahaha`
`02:43.11`	`sorphin`	`ibot: botsnack`
`02:43.11`		`:)`
`02:43.33`	`sjhill`	`bastard`
`02:43.33`	`sorphin`	`sjhill: that takes care of any children plans w/ you and the fiancee ;p`
`02:43.51`	`sjhill`	`heh`
`02:43.57`	`sorphin`	`sjhill: on the serious side`
`02:44.01`	`sjhill`	`yeah, i probably shouldn't reproduce`
`02:44.02`	`sorphin`	`sjhill: cds will go out saturday`
`02:44.06`	`sjhill`	`sweet`
`02:44.09`	`sjhill`	`thx`
`02:44.24`	`sorphin`	`during the week is hard to do stuff`
`02:44.29`	`sorphin`	`esp w/ damn holidays i nthere`
`02:44.43`	`sjhill`	`yup`
`02:45.22`	`cpenguin_home`	`file: I ended up getting a MP3 player that is not a Rio`
`02:45.27`	`prpplague`	`i'll make a promise to everyone! if i make a bunch of money or win the lottery i'll employee you all in the best nudiebar/linux think tank on the planet!`
`02:45.40`	`sjhill`	`kick ass`
`02:45.46`	`file`	`cpenguin_home: what is it?`
`02:45.52`	`file`	`prpplague: even me?`
`02:45.56`	`cpenguin_home`	`A Classic XP3 CH500`
`02:46.17`	`prpplague`	`file: when you turn 21`
`02:46.25`	`file`	`cpenguin_home: perform good?`
`02:46.26`	`file`	`prpplague: okay`
`02:46.36`	`cpenguin_home`	`file: yeah, I'm happy with it`
`02:48.24`	`file`	`sjhill: does it involve MIPS?`
`02:49.48`	`sjhill`	`file: yeah`
`02:49.53`	`file`	`sjhill: thought so`
`02:49.55`	`sjhill`	`nothing definite yet`
`02:50.00`	`file`	`ic`
`02:50.09`	`sjhill`	`i'm a little fuzzy on using a FPGA`
`02:50.18`	`file`	`can I be a beta tester???`
`02:50.20`	`file`	`:)`
`02:50.32`	`sjhill`	`nah, i have people around here for that, sorry`
`02:50.35`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: aww.. don't employ him :P`
`02:50.44`	`file`	`employ? no`
`02:50.52`	`file`	`just want something neat to play with`
`02:50.54`	`cpenguin_home`	`sjhill: can I be a developer? :)`
`02:51.25`	`sjhill`	`maybe`
`02:51.35`	`sjhill`	`gaah, where is TomW when i need him`
`02:51.50`	`sorphin`	`sjhill: off beating ppl w/ his cane`
`02:52.00`	`prpplague`	`lol`
`02:52.11`	`prpplague`	`tomw know his stuff`
`02:52.17`	`sjhill`	`i'm sure he'd appreciate that comment...`
`02:52.26`	`file`	`ooh... an all Reboot night`
`02:52.28`	`sorphin`	`i know he does`
`02:52.37`	`sjhill`	`file: cartoon network`
`02:52.38`	`sorphin`	`sjhill: we've all joked about age in here :P`
`02:52.39`	`sjhill`	`ah`
`02:52.43`	`sorphin`	`tom's the old fart`
`02:52.45`	`sjhill`	`i know`
`02:52.49`	`file`	`sjhill: nah, YTV - Youth Television :)`
`02:52.51`	`sjhill`	`yeah, he's like 55 or somethin'`
`02:53.23`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
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`02:59.34`	`kergoth`	`hey`
`03:00.02`	`sorphin`	`lo chris`
`03:00.25`	`kergoth`	`just blew some cash on a weight set, and a cage, and bench, and medicine ball`
`03:00.26`	`kergoth`	`heh`
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`03:26.25`	`sorphin`	`TomW: sjhill was looking for you, but now he's afk`
`03:27.04`	`TomW`	`I'll be around for a while yet. I have another 50 boards to finish assembling & testing.`
`03:27.09`	`sorphin`	`ah`
`03:27.42`	`TomW`	`Not one of my favorite things to do, assemble boards. But, it pays the rent this month. :/`
`03:28.21`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`03:28.49`	`prpplague`	`holly pcb's batman is TomW`
`03:29.12`	`TomW`	`eh?`
`03:29.51`	`prpplague`	`TomW: assembling those pcb's for "the ultimate vibrator" again?`
`03:30.41`	`prpplague`	`TomW: you'll be happy to know, i've already smoked a at89c52 chip`
`03:31.18`	`sjhill`	`TomW: grandpa!`
`03:31.39`	`TomW`	`prpplague: yeah, well that is why you get more than one sample. I usually get 3 peices: 1 to trash, 1 to use and a spare.`
`03:31.45`	`TomW`	`sjhill: hey`
`03:32.30`	`prpplague`	`TomW: lol, ya well i have 20`
`03:32.35`	`prpplague`	`TomW: i.e. from the webpals`
`03:32.35`	`TomW`	`sjhill: I feel that way today. Was at a family thing today with cousins, uncles & aunts... And their kids, grandkids, etc.`
`03:32.48`	`sjhill`	`heh`
`03:33.41`	`GPSFan`	`hey prpplague: how's your webpal doing? got linux yet?`
`03:34.13`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: ya got it running the other night`
`03:34.28`	`GPSFan`	`prpplague: nfs or HDD?`
`03:34.29`	`TomW`	`prpplague: ok, I didn't pay attention to that Atmel chip on the wp.`
`03:34.54`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: cf card`
`03:35.43`	`GPSFan`	`good, btw <file> how did you ship the cf adapers? when should I start looking for them? </file>`
`03:36.19`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: ups ground`
`03:36.31`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: i ment to as our shipping bimbo today`
`03:36.35`	`sjhill`	`ummm, could someone see if 'mail.cotw.com' or 'www.cotw.com' resolves?`
`03:36.59`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: i swear she must have some sort of brain damaged from being f'd too much`
`03:37.06`	`cpenguin_home`	`prpplague: !!!!`
`03:37.11`	`cpenguin_home`	`I didn't expect you to say that`
`03:37.12`	`GPSFan`	`hehe`
`03:37.15`	`prpplague`	`lol`
`03:37.33`	`prpplague`	`cpenguin_home: lol, well its true`
`03:37.37`	`cpenguin_home`	`brain damage from up against the head board?`
`03:37.49`	`prpplague`	`cpenguin_home: ahh that must be it`
`03:38.03`	`cpenguin_home`	`not that I know from experience, of course`
`03:38.09`	`prpplague`	`lol`
`03:38.32`	`prpplague`	`cpenguin_home: funny thing is she _also_ works bights at the nudie bar`
`03:38.43`	`prpplague`	`s/bights/nights`
`03:39.27`	`TomW`	`sjhill: no, doesn't resolve`
`03:39.35`	`GPSFan`	`prpplague: I've made some progress on my mystery problem code, got it down to a 4 line program which showed the problem, added -mcpu=arm7500fe to the CFLAGS and the program works, so the defaults seem to be ok for sa11xx, but not for the clps7500fe.`
`03:39.37`	`TomW`	`sjhill: www.cotw.com`
`03:40.20`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: ahh cool, thats good to know`
`03:40.27`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: what was the offending code?`
`03:40.36`	`TomW`	`GPSFan: check with Blundel, or the arm-linux list guys, I still think the issue is die versions of the ARM processor.`
`03:41.55`	`prpplague`	`TomW: got some of these in today - http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=365&item=LCD-58&type=store`
`03:42.00`	`GPSFan`	`prpplague: still don't know why all that debian code just works. I'll be tryong to get the whole application working with that compiler directive.`
`03:42.12`	`prpplague`	`TomW: gonna try hooking them up to a lpt port this weekend to get some education`
`03:42.16`	`TomW`	`GPSFan: maybe do an obj-dump on the code and see what opcodes are being used?`
`03:42.32`	`TomW`	`prpplague: how many WebPals did you get?`
`03:42.51`	`prpplague`	`TomW: 20 and i'm ordering 10 more monday`
`03:43.27`	`GPSFan`	`TomW: I did that already for the non working version, I'll do that for the working version, arm assy code is obtuse...`
`03:43.38`	`TomW`	`prpplague: heh, guess we do need that schematic, eh?`
`03:43.52`	`prpplague`	`TomW: i'm using them as POS terminals at a local hardware store i'm setting up on the side`
`03:43.52`	`TomW`	`GPSFan: powerfull though!`
`03:44.13`	`GPSFan`	`TomW: you bet!`
`03:44.14`	`prpplague`	`TomW: you'd choke if i told you how much i sold them for`
`03:44.21`	`TomW`	`GPSFan: addne r0, r0, #'9'`
`03:44.46`	`TomW`	`prpplague: you have found customers for those things?`
`03:44.46`	`sjhill`	`prpplague: i'll guess you sell them for $150`
`03:45.35`	`prpplague`	`webpal, ps/2 kbd, ps/2 mouse, itacha cash slip printer, cash drawer, 15" lcd, barcode scanner`
`03:45.39`	`TomW`	`GPSFan: I was surprised to see that you could do conditional execution on stuff like an ADD (addne)`
`03:46.04`	`TomW`	`prpplague: heh, way to go!`
`03:46.11`	`prpplague`	`$1699 each`
`03:46.27`	`sjhill`	`jumping horse shit!`
`03:46.29`	`GPSFan`	`TomW: prpplague: is a thief!`
`03:46.47`	`TomW`	`GPSFan: thief == entrepeneur`
`03:46.51`	`sjhill`	`indeed`
`03:46.59`	`GPSFan`	`true`
`03:47.28`	`sjhill`	`that reminds me of the pallet of Nintendo Power Gloves i bought for $7 a piece and then resold at $40...not near the mark up, but nice $$$`
`03:47.35`	`GPSFan`	`and $1699 is a bargin compared to the competition.`
`03:47.52`	`prpplague`	`ya well the rest of the stuff costs me about $400`
`03:48.07`	`prpplague`	`still not bad profit`
`03:48.11`	`sjhill`	`still, a 4x profit is good`
`03:48.29`	`GPSFan`	`prpplague: have you delivered any of these yet?`
`03:48.38`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: jan 18`
`03:49.00`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: i already have the rootfs that i've been doing for POS's`
`03:49.33`	`GPSFan`	`prpplague: how big, and what size cf?`
`03:49.47`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: the actual size is around 5 meg`
`03:50.00`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: however i usually send it with a 16mb cf card`
`03:50.05`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: just for expansion`
`03:50.25`	`GPSFan`	`nice, how much of that 5m is your POS app?`
`03:50.31`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: none`
`03:50.45`	`GPSFan`	`ah,`
`03:50.48`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: it connects via ssh to a linux box`
`03:51.24`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: strictly char based 80x25`
`03:51.39`	`GPSFan`	`cool, color?`
`03:51.53`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: ya 256k`
`03:52.03`	`prpplague`	`mostly they only use 16 color base`
`03:53.00`	`GPSFan`	`bbl off to watch tv.`
`03:53.03`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: later`
`03:57.18`	`prpplague`	`TomW: any experience with the sed1330 controler`
`03:57.19`	`prpplague`	`?`
`03:57.38`	`TomW`	`prpplague: no`
`03:58.17`	`prpplague`	`hmm`
`03:59.16`	`TomW`	`prpplague: thinking of building your own NTSC interface?`
`04:00.39`	`prpplague`	`TomW: naw, this lcd has a sed1330 controler onboard`
`04:01.01`	`prpplague`	`TomW: i want to get something together in preperation for my sa-1110 board`
`04:01.29`	`prpplague`	`TomW: i've got several lcd's i am looking at, and i want something that's easy to learn on`
`04:01.30`	`TomW`	`oh, that is one of those "intelligent" LCD panels.`
`04:01.51`	`prpplague`	`TomW: ya i think you can dis-able it, but i'm not sure yet`
`04:02.44`	`TomW`	`prpplague: if you are doing a SA1110, give 'em a dumb display. That is what they will incorporate into any product anyway (cost). And the experimentor will need to know how to use dumb lcds anyway 'cause they comprise the bulk of the surplus offerings.`
`04:03.17`	`prpplague`	`TomW: well its hard to beat $18`
`04:05.58`	`cpenguin_home`	`brb - kernel reboot`
`04:25.19`	`TomW`	`finally! Soldered the last connector on!`
`04:29.52`	`prpplague`	`TomW: congrads`
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`04:51.57`	`[DarkLdy]`	`hi!`
`04:52.50`	`prpplague`	`[DarkLdy]: howdy`
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`04:53.24`	`[DarkLdy]`	`hi prpplague`
`05:01.06`	`cpenguin_home`	`My camera works (good), but the frontends to gphoto suck (bad)`
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`05:47.03`	`andersee`	`cpenguin_home: I just take the CF card out of my camera and stick it into my laptop w/and adapter then mount the fs and copy.`
`05:47.13`	`andersee`	`cpenguin_home: easier than messing with cables and such`
`05:52.24`	`Lethal`	`indeed`
`05:52.35`	`Lethal`	`screw gphoto :P`
`05:53.18`	`Lethal`	`though you still have your choice of frontends, whether it be through the ide or scsi layers :P`
`05:53.34`	`andersee`	`I tried it and it worked ok. But mounting is simpler and far faster at copying 1600x1200 pics`
`05:54.08`	`Lethal`	`I tried it and it refused to find my camera`
`05:54.43`	`Lethal`	`didnt care enough to fix it, either`
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`14:24.19`	`prpplague`	`andersee: evening/morning`
`14:25.47`	`andersee`	`prpplague: evening`
`14:25.49`	`andersee`	`:)`
`14:25.55`	`andersee`	`or somethin`
`14:46.07`	`cpenguin_home`	`seesh, time for work already?`
`14:48.21`	`cpenguin_home`	`andersee: oh, as for your comment last night about my "camera"`
`14:48.38`	`cpenguin_home`	`andersee: its not really a "camera" its more of a cheap chinese spy camera that my mom gave me for xmas`
`14:50.28`	`cpenguin_home`	`andersee: http://www.aiptek.com/products/digital/mini.htm`
`14:50.50`	`cpenguin_home`	`off to work, see you all there`
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`15:11.22`	`sieve`	`lo all`
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`15:13.35`	`file`	`hi CosmicPenguin`
`15:19.45`	`CosmicPenguin`	`hey file, whats the good word?`
`15:22.00`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`15:22.53`	`file`	`CosmicPenguin: can you ask sorphin what USB NIC he uses on his I-Opener for me?`
`15:23.08`	`sieve`	`sorphin: heh`
`15:23.41`	`sorphin`	`'atleast 10 years`
`15:26.18`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: you getting in trouble for sticking your finger where it shouldn`
`15:26.28`	`CosmicPenguin`	`shouldn't be?`
`15:26.30`	`CosmicPenguin`	`again?`
`15:26.49`	`CosmicPenguin`	`file: we have used the Linksys USB dongle before - its pretty cool`
`15:26.55`	`file`	`CosmicPenguin: k`
`15:27.14`	`file`	`CosmicPenguin: I'm thinking a Netgear EA101C, it's $28.74 with tax at Radioshack - I've got a gift card with $34 left on it so I can get it for free`
`15:27.24`	`CosmicPenguin`	`file: etherfast 10/100 compact USB Network Adapter, Model USB100M`
`15:27.44`	`CosmicPenguin`	`file: cool - free is good`
`15:30.08`	`file`	`CosmicPenguin: I already bought my hub using the gift card :)`
`15:30.30`	`file`	`I see a Linksys Etherfast at Radioshack for $89.99 without tax`
`15:32.08`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Damn`
`15:32.25`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Well, they're good enough for streaming video, so that should say something`
`15:32.33`	`file`	`$103.49 with tax :)`
`15:35.11`	`file`	`CosmicPenguin: I still say this deal on my hub was good - $17.24 with tax`
`15:35.44`	`CosmicPenguin`	`file: yeah it was.... I need to get a hub too, if for no other reason that I hate diving behind my box every time I need to plug something in`
`15:37.05`	`file`	`CosmicPenguin: hehe`
`15:38.37`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: no i think it's prolly more that i won't let them do so :P`
`15:38.59`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: you're such a prude... :)`
`15:39.01`	`file`	`CosmicPenguin: $11 USD for a 4 port 10Mbps hub :)`
`15:39.17`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`15:45.21`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: well we got your cf cards back today`
`15:46.54`	`sorphin`	`speaking of corporate whores`
`15:46.57`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: morning dave`
`16:00.50`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: yo`
`16:01.23`	`prpplague`	`lol`
`16:04.08`	`sorphin`	`good lord`
`16:04.28`	`sorphin`	`they want finger turned off on all boxes now.. part of the "MSB"..`
`16:04.32`	`sorphin`	`fscking morons`
`16:05.55`	`CosmicPenguin`	`most significant byte? You're migrating to MIPS platforms?`
`16:06.39`	`CosmicPenguin`	`<evil witch cackling>The horror, the horror!</cackling>`
`16:10.02`	`sorphin`	`no jordan`
`16:10.09`	`sorphin`	`minimum security baseline`
`16:10.28`	`CosmicPenguin`	`thats an oxymoron if I ever heard one`
`16:12.56`	`sorphin`	`yup`
`16:19.12`	`GPSFan`	`prpplague: oops, what happened?`
`16:20.28`	`kergoth`	`hey`
`16:25.29`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: the bimbo sent it to CN not CO`
`16:26.21`	`CosmicPenguin`	`wow`
`16:26.29`	`CosmicPenguin`	`You wern't kidding about this chick`
`16:27.15`	`GPSFan`	`prpplague: at least they came back.`
`16:31.13`	`sorphin`	`ROTFL`
`16:31.17`	`sorphin`	`CN`
`16:31.25`	`sorphin`	`is there even a state w/ CN ?`
`16:31.40`	`CosmicPenguin`	`ibot: CN?`
`16:31.41`		`CosmicPenguin: are you smoking crack?`
`16:31.44`	`sorphin`	`tho, as long as the zipcode is correct, the state/city are irrelevant`
`16:31.50`	`CosmicPenguin`	`ibot: I am, you wanna toke?`
`16:31.51`		`CosmicPenguin: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?`
`16:31.58`	`sorphin`	`ibot: die`
`16:31.59`		`ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.`
`16:32.02`	`prpplague`	`the funny thing is she had the right zip and didn't use it, she looked up a zip for CN`
`16:32.23`	`CosmicPenguin`	`if ibot smoked a spooon of crack larger than a breadbox, he would probably die for good`
`16:32.46`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: is she blond, looks like an ex cheerleader who was so dumb she did the whole football team ?`
`16:32.50`	`prpplague`	`i had to explain to her never use anything expect the zip, she still can't understand that the zip tell exactly where the city/state are`
`16:32.58`	`GPSFan`	`prpplague: man what does she think zip+4 is all about?`
`16:33.40`	`prpplague`	`you tell me, the shipping department: http://www.abcsinc.com/pics/girls.jpg`
`16:34.05`	`GPSFan`	`prpplague: cute...`
`16:34.47`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: ok, which is she?`
`16:35.05`	`prpplague`	`the one on the right`
`16:35.22`	`GPSFan`	`texan?`
`16:35.24`	`sorphin`	`ok, not cute, but definately did the whole football team`
`16:35.36`	`sorphin`	`now the one on the left`
`16:35.37`	`sorphin`	`she's cute`
`16:35.41`	`prpplague`	`lol`
`16:35.47`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: it all makes sense now`
`16:35.58`	`GPSFan`	`probably the track & basketball team too.`
`16:36.07`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: and she is the nerve center of your entire shipping department?`
`16:36.09`	`Lethal`	`sorphin, you seem to have an unnatural obsession with doing the football team :P`
`16:36.09`	`sorphin`	`yeah, that chick on the right was definately a cheerleader`
`16:36.11`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: be afraid`
`16:36.16`	`prpplague`	`sorpin: back up on dir and you can find some additional pics of her`
`16:36.20`	`sorphin`	`Lethal: go read about cpus bitch`
`16:36.40`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: :)`
`16:36.55`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: ya we lose hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in shipping`
`16:37.01`	`sorphin`	`wow`
`16:37.13`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: ok, wait a sec`
`16:37.16`	`sorphin`	`Lethal: sod off`
`16:37.23`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: like my camera work?`
`16:37.38`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: when you say hte one on the right, you mean the one w/ the pink things in her hair is the shipping girl, right ?`
`16:37.44`	`prpplague`	`ya`
`16:37.48`	`sorphin`	`'whew`
`16:37.56`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Seesh, that look in http://www.abcsinc.com/pics/ashley6.jpg is a "come hither" look if I ever saw one`
`16:38.00`	`Lethal`	`that one in the middle, wtf?`
`16:38.04`	`GPSFan`	`prpplague: are you in pic#4?`
`16:38.13`	`sorphin`	`so this other chick is ashley.. not bad ;)`
`16:38.39`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: naw, i'm taking it`
`16:38.42`	`Lethal`	`the one in the middle looks like the HR troll at my last employer :P`
`16:38.48`	`sorphin`	`i like 1, 2 and 5`
`16:38.54`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: ya and sweet as honey too`
`16:39.05`	`prpplague`	`Lethal: lol`
`16:39.21`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: she looks it (in more ways than one grin)... who gave her the roses? you? :P`
`16:39.44`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: company party for her getting married`
`16:39.50`	`sorphin`	`doh`
`16:39.54`	`sorphin`	`she got buried`
`16:40.05`	`prpplague`	`yep`
`16:40.07`	`sorphin`	`i could handle being buried with her tho :P`
`16:40.21`	`prpplague`	`so could half the men in the company`
`16:40.25`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
`16:40.40`	`sorphin`	`her hubby work there too or no?`
`16:40.50`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: funny thing, the guy she married, sleeps around with trailer trash instead of her`
`16:41.08`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: used to work here`
`16:41.12`	`sorphin`	`umm`
`16:41.22`	`sorphin`	`he screws around and she's still married to the jerk?`
`16:41.35`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: no one's had the balls to tell her`
`16:41.43`	`sorphin`	`umm`
`16:41.49`	`sorphin`	`why haven't YOU told her :P`
`16:41.54`	`sorphin`	`she needs to know`
`16:42.15`	`sorphin`	`if she's really that sweet, she don't deserve what he's doin to her`
`16:42.25`	`sorphin`	`just my opinion tho`
`16:43.13`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: ya well......, we all like her so much we don't want to hurt her feelings, besides, she thinks he's god and probably won't believe us with a video tape`
`16:46.06`	`GPSFan`	`prpplague: <file> is bimbo going to ship it again to the right address this time </file>?`
`16:46.47`	`sorphin`	`GPSFan: you can only quote filemode if it involves shipping to canada ;)`
`16:47.01`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: sorry not till monday`
`16:47.19`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: we have a huge order going out today`
`16:47.49`	`GPSFan`	`prpplague: sorry for the breach of protocol. Hope your big order goes to the right country ;>)`
`16:48.06`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: no shit`
`16:49.30`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: i can see it now, some arabi using some scsi hd's as shoes for his camel`
`16:50.51`	`GPSFan`	`lol`
`16:51.58`	`file`	`prpplague: is bimbo going to ship it again to the right address this time?`
`16:52.08`	`GPSFan`	`prpplague: <cnn headline> absc indited for shipping sensitive POS terminal equipment to Iraq </cnn headline>`
`16:54.09`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: lol`
`16:55.19`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: don't forget the simms`
`16:55.27`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: that was a rummor that tons of ps2's were being bought up by iraq and being modified to run scud missiles`
`16:56.24`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: did i email you where to send it? i forgot whether i did or not`
`16:56.55`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: ahh, no`
`16:57.12`	`sorphin`	`ibot: prpplague`
`16:57.12`		`it has been said that prpplague is mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com or Dave Anders`
`16:58.07`	`sorphin`	`sent`
`16:58.35`	`sorphin`	`watch the shipping girl get confused by the city name`
`16:59.16`	`prpplague`	`lol`
`16:59.52`	`prpplague`	`ha you go routed to the trash`
`17:00.02`	`sorphin`	`eh?`
`17:00.12`	`prpplague`	`you had a :) is subject line`
`17:00.19`	`sorphin`	`oh brother`
`17:00.22`	`prpplague`	`lol`
`17:00.33`	`sorphin`	`even spamassassin isn't that bad`
`17:00.33`	`prpplague`	`i retrieved it none the less`
`17:00.43`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: pesonal config`
`17:01.01`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: you must not know anyone that smiles in a subject line :P`
`17:02.37`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`17:02.45`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: this sounds like it was meant for you`
`17:02.49`	`sorphin`	`Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 15:42:58 -0300`
`17:02.49`	`sorphin`	`From: blueyes108jr702@yahoo.com`
`17:02.49`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: ya i hate that`
`17:02.55`	`sorphin`	`Subject: ***SPAM*** Married but lonely?`
`17:03.06`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: ya already got that one`
`17:03.09`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`17:03.17`	`sorphin`	`got sent to everyone on this box`
`17:33.57`	`Lethal`	`any solaris competent folk in here?`
`17:34.14`	`sorphin`	`yes`
`17:34.47`	`Lethal`	`okay, with dlopen(), if you just specify RTLD_GLOBAL for the flag, does it default to anything?`
`17:35.12`	`Lethal`	`will it default to RTLD_LAZY or RTLD_NOW, or just give an error?`
`17:36.07`	`Lethal`	`under glibc it seems I can just use RTLD_GLOBAL, but I have no idea what policy it uses for symbol resolution`
`17:36.45`	`sorphin`	`hold`
`17:36.53`	`file`	`Please hold while we transfer your call.`
`17:36.59`	`file`	`<klunk - and dial tone>`
`17:39.48`	`sorphin`	`ok...`
`17:40.42`	`sorphin`	`looks like you have to specify LAZY or NOW, because it is bitwise or'd w/ local or global`
`17:40.51`	`sorphin`	`no default`
`17:41.08`	`sorphin`	`however, local is defaulted as far as local vs global`
`17:41.36`	`Lethal`	`right`
`17:42.00`	`sorphin`	`that btw, comes right off the manpage under solaris for dlopen ;)`
`17:42.01`	`Lethal`	`thats the way it should be under glibc too, but I can just dlopen("blah.so", RTLD_GLOBAL); and it'll still succeed :P`
`17:42.17`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`17:42.26`	`Lethal`	`I think uClibc does that too`
`17:42.31`	`sorphin`	`glibc is a hack :P`
`17:42.34`	`prpplague`	`one of you programming guru's tell me why i find so many c apps that won't compile because the string.h file isn't included?`
`17:42.45`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: heh`
`17:43.03`	`Lethal`	`prpplague, sounds like a typical problem between the chair and keyboard :P`
`17:43.06`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: is there a reason for that?`
`17:43.08`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: let's see`
`17:43.20`	`prpplague`	`Lethal: not my apps, someone elses`
`17:43.29`	`Lethal`	`prpplague, oh, well, nm then :P`
`17:43.30`	`sorphin`	`do you use memcpy, memcmp, strcpy, strcmp, etc ?`
`17:43.45`	`sorphin`	`if so, that'd be why :P`
`17:43.47`	`prpplague`	`Lethal: i mean this one app compiles fine on debian, but on redhat it complains about missing string.h`
`17:43.58`	`Lethal`	`debian may do something weird with its headers`
`17:43.58`	`sorphin`	`string.h defines those functions`
`17:44.09`	`sorphin`	`Lethal: yeah, it does them correctly`
`17:44.15`	`Lethal`	`sorphin, typical.`
`17:44.17`	`Lethal`	`sorphin, bastards.`
`17:44.34`	`prpplague`	`well the app compiles find on gentoo, but not on suse`
`17:44.46`	`Lethal`	`prpplague, you could just add string.h to stdio.h or some trash and forget about it ;P`
`17:44.56`	`sorphin`	`OR`
`17:45.00`	`sorphin`	`evne better`
`17:45.10`	`prpplague`	`Lethal: thats what i was thinking`
`17:45.21`	`sorphin`	`make sure string.h is where is should be and the file has an #include <string.h> :P`
`17:45.32`	`Lethal`	`sorphin, that's no fun`
`17:45.44`	`sorphin`	`you could ALSO`
`17:45.58`	`sorphin`	`#ifdef _STRING_H`
`17:46.07`	`sorphin`	`erm`
`17:46.12`	`sorphin`	`#ifndef _STRING_H`
`17:46.20`	`sorphin`	`#include <string.h>`
`17:46.23`	`sorphin`	`#endif`
`17:46.32`	`sorphin`	`so if it's no already been included, it will be`
`17:46.37`	`sorphin`	`if it has, it won't be again`
`17:47.08`	`Lethal`	`or you just include it in stdio.h, then when anyone references it _STRING_H will already be defined ;p`
`17:47.24`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: right i know how to fix it, i was just wondering why something as basic isn't standard across dist's`
`17:47.25`	`sorphin`	`umm`
`17:47.33`	`sorphin`	`Lethal: that requires modifying a system header :P`
`17:47.37`	`sorphin`	`my method doesn't`
`17:47.41`	`Lethal`	`sorphin, so, want a cookie? :P`
`17:48.05`	`prpplague`	`i usually fix the problem and submit a patch, but........`
`17:48.07`	`Lethal`	`prpplague, each dist has their own libc hacks`
`17:48.15`	`Lethal`	`prpplague, I have no idea what debian does`
`17:48.34`	`Lethal`	`and gcc hacks, even.`
`17:49.00`	`Lethal`	`yeah, me too.`
`17:49.02`	`sorphin`	`or rather, always has`
`17:49.10`	`sorphin`	`and i RUN debian :P`
`17:51.46`	`prpplague`	`wheres tomw when you need him`
`17:59.29`	`sorphin`	`making boards`
`18:00.08`	`file`	`Mr. Delivery Guy, where are you?`
`18:00.11`	`file`	`bbl.`
`18:20.37`	`*** join/#elinux file[laptop] (jwired@mctn1-2119.nb.aliant.net)`
`18:53.58`	`*** join/#elinux file[laptop] (~lan@mctn1-4068.nb.aliant.net)`
`19:00.30`	`Russ\|werk`	`sorphin: including headers twice won't cause a problem`
`19:00.52`	`Russ\|werk`	`unless they are braindead headers`
`19:00.58`	`sorphin`	`Russ\|werk: if they're 2 diff headers w/ conflicting types`
`19:01.00`	`sorphin`	`they will ;)`
`19:01.05`	`sorphin`	`i.e.`
`19:01.11`	`sorphin`	`linux/foo.h`
`19:01.12`	`sorphin`	`and foo.h`
`19:13.44`	`Russ\|werk`	`o, thats bad`
`19:13.56`	`Russ\|werk`	`why did you name one of your own headers string.h...seems rather silly`
`19:15.57`	`sorphin`	`don't look at me, i didn't do anything`
`19:16.07`	`sorphin`	`what i DO run into tho`
`19:16.45`	`sorphin`	`is a program looking for hte right header but wrong location, i.e. it wants linux/foo.h but the file it SHOULD use is sys/foo.h`
`19:22.56`	`andersee`	`sorphin: I suppose you could use #include_next<string.h>`
`19:23.32`	`sorphin`	`prpplague is the one w/ the prob, i just offered a solution ;)`
`19:23.55`	`andersee`	`oh`
`19:24.14`	`sorphin`	`personally i find it annoying when headers are mixmatched`
`19:24.24`	`Lethal`	`andersee, scroll up, does uClibc default to any symbol resolution policy if you just specify RTLD_GLOBAL? or does it give an error?`
`19:24.39`	`sorphin`	`or when an app assumes a correct header is one place, but it really isn't`
`19:24.39`	`andersee`	`Lethal: for dlopen?`
`19:24.47`	`Lethal`	`andersee, yeah`
`19:25.02`	`Lethal`	`andersee, ie, dlopen("suck.so", RTLD_GLOBAL);`
`19:25.35`	`Lethal`	`from what I can tell, it looks like it should give an error`
`19:25.59`	`Lethal`	`since its not a policy in itself. thus if its not lazy or now, dlerror() should do the right thing`
`19:26.29`	`Lethal`	`glibc looks like it defaults to lazy if you just blindly hand it global`
`19:27.05`	`Lethal`	`well, haven't looked at the code, but with LB_BIND_NOW implicitly turned off, that's what it appears to be under gdb ;P`
`19:27.26`	`andersee`	`Lethal: If you give dlopen anything other than RTLD_LAZY, we currently do a RTLD_NOW`
`19:27.27`	`sorphin`	`Lethal: how did solaris look ?`
`19:27.58`	`Lethal`	`sorphin, I don't have a solaris box to test on, so I only have your description of the man page to go by. but the linux man page sounds relatively consistent.`
`19:28.14`	`sorphin`	`i hate a few around here and at home :P`
`19:28.24`	`andersee`	`Lethal: I suppose I should change it to default to LAZY unless explicitly told to do NOW`
`19:29.00`	`Lethal`	`andersee, should it default to anything? I'd think if its nto a valid policy it should just return an error.`
`19:29.10`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`19:29.20`	`sorphin`	`Lethal: want me to test your code on a solaris box?`
`19:29.32`	`Lethal`	`sorphin, sure, let me write it ;P`
`19:29.35`	`sorphin`	`haha`
`19:32.43`	`Russ\|werk`	`hmm...I keep getting port 57 probes, what is up with that?`
`19:33.09`	`Russ\|werk`	`some worm...ping, probe 80 4 times, probe 57 4 times, probe 21 4 times`
`19:33.15`	`sorphin`	`mtp`
`19:33.20`	`sorphin`	`not sure what mtp even is`
`19:33.33`	`Russ\|werk`	`I'm thinking its used for something else`
`19:33.41`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`19:33.59`	`Lethal`	`sorphin, email addr?`
`19:35.29`	`Lethal`	`sent.`
`19:35.52`	`sorphin`	`umm`
`19:36.00`	`sorphin`	`i hope this wasn't you :P`
`19:36.01`	`sorphin`	`Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:09:52 -0600`
`19:36.01`	`sorphin`	`From: cartooncards@mindspring.com`
`19:36.01`	`sorphin`	`Subject: A Toon Card for you`
`19:36.01`	`sorphin`	`!!! THE LARGEST COLLECTION OF ANIME AND HENTAI PORN !!!`
`19:36.09`	`sorphin`	`;)`
`19:36.15`	`Lethal`	`erm`
`19:36.18`	`Lethal`	`nope`
`19:36.24`	`sorphin`	`gotta love spam`
`19:36.24`	`Lethal`	`but feel free to forward that one along`
`19:36.31`	`sorphin`	`ROTFL`
`19:37.53`	`Lethal`	`weird, my glibc on another RHAT box actually returns -EINVAL`
`19:37.58`	`Lethal`	`with RTLD_GLOBAL`
`19:38.05`	`Lethal`	`nice to see consistency`
`19:38.33`	`sorphin`	`Lethal: [dans@ultra30 ~]$ dl /lib/libz.so`
`19:38.34`	`sorphin`	`ld.so.1: dl: fatal: illegal mode: 256`
`19:38.49`	`andersee`	`Lethal: What does your test code look like?`
`19:39.05`	`sorphin`	`flood:`
`19:39.05`	`sorphin`	`#include <dlfcn.h>`
`19:39.05`	`sorphin`	`#include <stdio.h>`
`19:39.05`	`sorphin`	`int main(int argc, char **argv)`
`19:39.05`	`sorphin`	`{`
`19:39.05`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:39.07`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:39.09`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:39.11`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:39.13`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:39.15`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:39.18`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:39.19`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:39.21`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:39.23`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:39.25`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:39.27`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:39.29`	`sorphin`	`}`
`19:39.31`	`sorphin`	`andersee: that's it`
`19:39.41`	`Lethal`	`okay, so solaris does the right thing too`
`19:39.49`	`sorphin`	`yup`
`19:39.54`	`andersee`	`Lethal: that is not valid`
`19:40.05`	`Lethal`	`andersee, its not supposed to be`
`19:40.16`	`Lethal`	`andersee, glibc lets me do it on a few boxes though`
`19:40.17`	`andersee`	`ahh`
`19:40.29`	`Lethal`	`which is why I was curious if uclibc allowed it too`
`19:40.33`	`Lethal`	`since it looks broken`
`19:40.40`	`andersee`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:40.41`	`andersee`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:40.41`	`andersee`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:40.41`	`andersee`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:40.58`	`sorphin`	`Lethal: fyi`
`19:41.05`	`Lethal`	`andersee, cool.`
`19:41.15`	`sorphin`	`[dans@wibble /tmp]$ dl /lib/librt-2.2.5.so`
`19:41.16`	`Lethal`	`andersee, well, despite the 4 space tab width blasphemy. ;P`
`19:41.22`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:41.26`	`Lethal`	`yeah`
`19:41.28`	`Lethal`	`is that debian?`
`19:41.32`	`sorphin`	`yes`
`19:41.42`	`Lethal`	`okay, so it looks like old RH and slackware are systematically fucked`
`19:41.53`	`sorphin`	`what version of glibc?`
`19:42.15`	`Lethal`	`2.2.4 on the rh, not sure about the slackware one, will have to check later.`
`19:42.29`	`sorphin`	`well`
`19:42.36`	`sorphin`	`it's 2.2.5 on this linux box`
`19:42.42`	`sorphin`	`my other has 2.3.1`
`19:43.08`	`Lethal`	`yeah, I have 2.2.5 on my laptop, and it does the invalid arg thing too`
`19:43.22`	`sorphin`	`RH loves breaking their stuff`
`19:43.29`	`Lethal`	`seems that way`
`19:44.48`	`sorphin`	`they do it to their kernels esp`
`19:44.56`	`Lethal`	`some of their kernels aren't bad`
`19:45.03`	`Lethal`	`the stuff in their dist suck though`
`19:45.10`	`Lethal`	`their enterprise stuff isn't too horrible`
`19:45.26`	`sorphin`	`i've only used RH once`
`19:45.29`	`sorphin`	`couldn't stand it`
`19:45.30`	`Lethal`	`though their mips backend looks like someone was experimenting with homemade crack while laying it out`
`19:46.21`	`Lethal`	`I used to use it around 4.2/5.0, then moved to suse 5.1 and stuck with that for awhile, recently switched back to RH since suse was pissing me off :P`
`19:46.38`	`Lethal`	`not impressed with rh either, but don't really care :P`
`19:50.04`	`Lethal`	`andersee, looks good`
`19:53.32`	`file`	`prpplague: the bubble chips will eat you`
`20:16.00`	`*** join/#elinux BZFlag (timr@rikers.org)`
`20:16.09`	`sorphin`	`BZFlag: afternoon tim`
`20:16.30`	`*** mode/#eLinux [+o BZFlag] by ChanServ`
`20:17.15`	`andersee`	`BZFlag: So is your official job title now "dad"?`
`20:34.03`	`Russ\|werk`	`stay at home and hack dad`
`20:34.58`	`Russ\|werk`	`depending on the length of unemployment, expect many improvements to bzflag...like the addition of planes, lightcycles, and helicopters`
`20:35.10`	`BZFlag`	`andersee: that's the best one I can come up with. ;-)`
`20:35.31`	`BZFlag`	`Russ\|werk: heh. I'm already pondering what to work on next. ;-)`
`20:36.25`	`Russ\|werk`	`make something like codename: eagle or battlefield 1942`
`20:36.29`	`Russ\|werk`	`that'd be nifty`
`20:37.13`	`sorphin`	`BZFlag: get some webpals :P`
`20:37.16`	`sorphin`	`BZFlag: join the fun`
`20:37.22`	`sorphin`	`you know you want to ;)`
`20:37.40`	`BZFlag`	`andersee: you get your apex upgraded yet? was a flash upgrade possible?`
`20:37.47`	`CosmicPenguin`	`battlefield 1942 would kick ass`
`20:38.22`	`BZFlag`	`sorphin: heh, you're right that I want to. I have so many unfinished projects though, I'm likely yo spend time on them.`
`20:38.29`	`BZFlag`	`ad1500 iirc.`
`20:38.44`	`sorphin`	`1500 should be fine`
`20:38.50`	`sorphin`	`the 800 uses a non ide drive tho`
`20:38.58`	`sorphin`	`and has a flakey remote, but nice features`
`20:42.11`	`Russ\|werk`	`CosmicPenguin: I actually like codename: eagle more, but the network code is absolute crap`
`20:42.45`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: to get the full effect of region free with an Apex, you need to grab a NTSC/PAL TV. Fun, but expensive`
`20:43.28`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: my friend mike mentioned that his apex atleast converts on the fly`
`20:43.31`	`sorphin`	`kinda like the xbox does`
`20:43.38`	`sorphin`	`well, one of his apexes does`
`20:43.54`	`BZFlag`	`radical. /me just looked at the screenshots for battlefield 1942`
`20:44.23`	`BZFlag`	`my apex converts fine.`
`20:44.39`	`BZFlag`	`it's not ideal output, but very usable.`
`20:44.54`	`Lethal`	`ad5131, and I forget the other one :P`
`20:45.04`	`BZFlag`	`mine is an old ad660`
`20:45.34`	`Lethal`	`all I had to do to flash mine was download a rom for it, burn it to cd, and then load it up`
`20:45.37`	`sorphin`	`ya know`
`20:45.39`	`Lethal`	`pretty painless`
`20:45.42`	`sorphin`	`i must be the only person in this channel`
`20:45.47`	`sorphin`	`that hasn't played bzflag yet still :P`
`20:45.50`	`sorphin`	`;)`
`20:45.53`	`Lethal`	`sorphin, I haven't either`
`20:46.07`	`BZFlag`	`~fishslap sorphin and Lethal for not playing BZFlag`
`20:46.08`		`ACTION slaps sorphin and Lethal up side the head with a wet fish for not playing BZFlag`
`20:46.11`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
`20:46.16`	`Lethal`	`http://www.nerd-out.com/darrenk/`
`20:46.19`	`sorphin`	`Lethal: yup`
`20:46.32`	`sorphin`	`my friend popped open his 800 the other day`
`20:46.36`	`Lethal`	`the 5131 rules`
`20:46.39`	`sorphin`	`that's how me confirmed it's a non ide drive`
`20:46.46`	`sorphin`	`s/me/we/`
`20:46.53`	`sorphin`	`and there's 3 versions of the 800 :P`
`20:47.06`	`Lethal`	`yeah, there's a bunch of 5131's too`
`20:47.10`	`Lethal`	`thankfully I have the upgradable one ;P`
`20:47.21`	`sorphin`	`i'm tempted to jus tuse my xbox to convert anything pal i get :P`
`20:47.36`	`Lethal`	`does xbox do pal to ntsc?`
`20:47.50`	`sorphin`	`yes`
`20:48.01`	`Lethal`	`wtf? why? :P`
`20:48.05`	`sorphin`	`umm`
`20:48.13`	`sorphin`	`it can do both directions :P`
`20:48.30`	`sorphin`	`it can also remove macrovision on the fly :P`
`20:48.33`	`sorphin`	`if told how to`
`20:48.41`	`Lethal`	`that's cool`
`20:48.46`	`Lethal`	`I wasn't aware it could do conversion`
`20:48.54`	`Lethal`	`might have to buy one now :P`
`20:49.07`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`20:49.12`	`Russ\|werk`	`my favorite thing is to just get the jeep, and start running people over`
`20:49.16`	`Russ\|werk`	`(in bf1942)`
`20:49.37`	`Lethal`	`though that goes against my better judgement of buying a non sh/mips console ;P`
`20:50.01`	`sorphin`	`Lethal: so you've bought a ps2 then? :P`
`20:50.12`	`Lethal`	`yeah`
`20:50.15`	`sorphin`	`thought so`
`20:50.21`	`Lethal`	`I have about 3 or 4 of them`
`20:50.32`	`sorphin`	`Lethal: did you let sony bend you over for $300 for the "linux kit" ?`
`20:50.44`	`Lethal`	`no, sony gave me one for free`
`20:50.48`	`Lethal`	`since I'm hacking on their kernel`
`20:50.55`	`sorphin`	`oh you are huh?`
`20:51.02`	`Lethal`	`unfortunately`
`20:51.13`	`sorphin`	`that means you know how to get around certain things :P`
`20:51.25`	`Lethal`	`heh`
`20:51.31`	`Lethal`	`this isn't a magicgate channel ;P`
`20:51.41`	`sorphin`	`it's not?`
`20:51.50`	`Lethal`	`no`
`20:51.51`	`Lethal`	`:P`
`20:52.09`	`Lethal`	`hint: its not hard, look up the japanese patents and learn katakana`
`20:52.10`	`Lethal`	`:P`
`20:52.28`	`andersee`	`BZFlag: my Apex died. Returned the carcas and I now have an Apex 1010W that works`
`20:52.39`	`sorphin`	`~lart lethal`
`20:53.10`	`Lethal`	`sorphin, I have 2.5 running on it now, the next step is to get it running outside of the RTE`
`20:53.22`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`20:53.29`	`sorphin`	`sony's lil protection crap`
`20:53.33`	`sorphin`	`is why i won't buy a ps2`
`20:53.56`	`sorphin`	`the xbox and DC, you can atleast touch the hardware persay`
`20:54.06`	`sorphin`	`sony's being sony`
`20:54.06`	`Lethal`	`ps2 you can touch the hardware just fine`
`20:54.07`	`sorphin`	`as usual`
`20:54.09`	`Lethal`	`its just theres a lot of it`
`20:54.11`	`Lethal`	`and hidden`
`20:54.24`	`Lethal`	`especially the second bios`
`20:54.31`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`21:01.32`	`BZFlag`	`sorphin: would hacking my new xbox to run linux be a better subject of conversation? ;-)`
`21:01.40`	`sorphin`	`BZFlag: hehe`
`21:01.51`	`sorphin`	`BZFlag: decided on a modchip yet?`
`21:01.55`	`BZFlag`	`got one for christmas. ;-)`
`21:02.07`	`sorphin`	`which ?`
`21:02.15`	`BZFlag`	`nope. recommendations? Mine is a 5/2002 mexico unit.`
`21:02.22`	`sorphin`	`ah`
`21:02.24`	`sorphin`	`5/2002`
`21:02.27`	`sorphin`	`you have a version 1.0`
`21:02.35`	`sorphin`	`so the world is an oyster for you`
`21:02.35`	`BZFlag`	`that good or bad?`
`21:02.41`	`sorphin`	`it's good`
`21:02.42`	`BZFlag`	`ah, cool. ;-)`
`21:03.17`	`BZFlag`	`I asked for a mexico model. my wife says she got blank stares from the sales folk when she asked for one.`
`21:03.23`	`BZFlag`	`they wanted to know why. ;-)`
`21:03.38`	`sorphin`	`can only fit a 256k bios in it, but i don't need a 1MB devel bios, etc.. tho you can prolly just slap on a diff SST chip that is bigger w/ same pinout`
`21:04.12`	`sorphin`	`tho if you look around, you'll see the Xecuter guys being cocky acting like their chip is all that`
`21:05.09`	`sorphin`	`BZFlag: don't suppose mr ibot ever does a /who ? (talking to my friend at cisco, and can't remember andin's real name)`
`21:05.17`	`BZFlag`	`and you don't agree? I just want to run linux and perhaps develop an xbox bzflag with gcc.`
`21:05.39`	`BZFlag`	`~seen andin`
`21:05.39`		`andin <~ay@23.133-200-80.adsl.skynet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #tuxscreen, 24d 20h 14m 25s ago, saying: 'laters all..'.`
`21:05.42`	`sorphin`	`BZFlag: like i said, i have a matrix and have had 0 probs`
`21:05.58`	`sorphin`	`well, cept i needed to get a slightly bigger screw`
`21:06.15`	`sorphin`	`cuz the stock xbox screw isn't strong enough to hold down the pogo pins :P`
`21:07.12`	`file[laptop]`	`sorphin: are you ignoring me?`
`21:07.31`	`sorphin`	`BZFlag: http://www.easybuy2000.com/store/xbox/matrix.shtml and www.xodus-chip.com`
`21:08.11`	`sorphin`	`considering they're making a 1Meg adapter to fit the current modchip (w/ no soldering) i think just getting a bigger sst flash chip`
`21:08.16`	`sorphin`	`would do too if you needed more space`
`21:08.18`	`sorphin`	`or`
`21:08.19`	`*** join/#elinux Nomius (~Nomius@200.45.234.144)`
`21:08.28`	`sorphin`	`you can reflash the TSOP on the motherboard now too`
`21:08.52`	`*** part/#elinux Nomius (~Nomius@200.45.234.144)`
`21:10.55`	`BZFlag`	`what's the advantage of a larger chip? will the small one run Linux and unsigned games? what does the larger one add?`
`21:11.22`	`sorphin`	`BZFlag: well, xecuter is trying to shove more stuff into their bios is all`
`21:11.24`	`BZFlag`	`are there memory upgrades?`
`21:11.42`	`sorphin`	`the xodus + Evolution-X bios`
`21:11.46`	`sorphin`	`will do you fine`
`21:11.52`	`sorphin`	`or the xbox-linux bios ;)`
`21:12.14`	`sorphin`	`i assume you mean adding mem to the xbox`
`21:12.20`	`sorphin`	`and that answer is nope`
`21:12.54`	`BZFlag`	`hmm. understand the xbox development units have twice the memory. have you heard that?`
`21:13.54`	`sorphin`	`they mightya had diff chips, i suppose`
`21:14.00`	`file[laptop]`	`will somebody please ask sorphin on my behalf what he uses on his I-Opener for a USB NIC?`
`21:14.12`	`sorphin`	`this thing does have a decent amount tho.. not substantial, but definately usable`
`21:14.23`	`sorphin`	`BZFlag: aka, it could play bzflag ;)`
`21:15.18`	`BZFlag`	`file[laptop]: I use a dlink on mine. it's ok.`
`21:15.33`	`BZFlag`	`sorphin: that's one of the goals. ;-)`
`21:16.02`	`Russ\|werk`	`file[laptop]: I have an old iopener`
`21:16.06`	`Russ\|werk`	`file[laptop]: I broke the mobo`
`21:16.08`	`file[laptop]`	`BZFlag: I found a Netgear EA101C for $28 CAD that I'm tempted to get`
`21:16.16`	`file[laptop]`	`Russ\|werk: oh my`
`21:16.19`	`Russ\|werk`	`file[laptop]: I can send you my usb nic and dremeled case`
`21:16.36`	`sorphin`	`Russ\|werk: what'd you dremel it for?`
`21:16.43`	`Russ\|werk`	`to fit the ethernet port`
`21:16.44`	`sorphin`	`my usb ether is internal on my IOs ;)`
`21:16.46`	`Russ\|werk`	`its internal`
`21:16.54`	`sorphin`	`so is mine`
`21:17.08`	`sorphin`	`you don't need both those jacks for the modem :P`
`21:17.08`	`file[laptop]`	`Russ\|werk: that would be nice of you`
`21:17.09`	`sorphin`	`just 1`
`21:17.22`	`file[laptop]`	`Russ\|werk: I drained my Paypal account though... so I'd have to send a money order to pay for shipping`
`21:17.37`	`Russ\|werk`	`file[laptop]: you don't have your paypal linked to a bank account?`
`21:17.42`	`Russ\|werk`	`or credit card?`
`21:17.47`	`file[laptop]`	`Russ\|werk: I'm Canadian`
`21:17.58`	`Russ\|werk`	`what about c2it?`
`21:17.58`	`file[laptop]`	`Russ\|werk: they only withdraw, not deposit from Canadian banks`
`21:17.59`	`sorphin`	`Russ\|werk: he's not old enough :P`
`21:18.11`	`prpplague`	`BZFlag: for the webpal?`
`21:18.22`	`sorphin`	`BZFlag: no, iopener`
`21:18.24`	`BZFlag`	`prpplague: serial parts for an io`
`21:18.24`	`sorphin`	`erm`
`21:18.27`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: iopener`
`21:18.30`	`prpplague`	`BZFlag: ahh`
`21:18.45`	`sorphin`	`BZFlag: checked linux-hacker ?`
`21:18.45`	`BZFlag`	`might be the same though, I think it's just a ttl conversion.`
`21:18.51`	`sorphin`	`that's where i got all my info`
`21:18.58`	`Russ\|werk`	`BZFlag: I'm going to have some made up`
`21:19.09`	`sorphin`	`Russ\|werk: sure sure ;)`
`21:19.11`	`Russ\|werk`	`BZFlag: along with some shanip3 mods and generic jtag interfaces`
`21:19.14`	`BZFlag`	`Russ\|werk: that would work on the io too?`
`21:19.25`	`Russ\|werk`	`the iopener needs a serial mod?`
`21:19.32`	`file[laptop]`	`Russ\|werk: how did you mess up the mobo anyway?`
`21:19.44`	`sorphin`	`Russ\|werk: he just wants one`
`21:19.44`	`Russ\|werk`	`file[laptop]: I had a fever, I was home sick`
`21:19.52`	`BZFlag`	`yeah. iirc there is another serial port but it's 3.3v not ttl.`
`21:20.02`	`file[laptop]`	`Russ\|werk: oh my`
`21:20.07`	`Russ\|werk`	`file[laptop]: somehow, in my deranged state, I thought it would be a good idea to remove the epoxy with a screwdriver`
`21:20.17`	`Russ\|werk`	`BZFlag: it would probably work then`
`21:20.23`	`sorphin`	`never saw a regular serial port`
`21:20.39`	`file[laptop]`	`Russ\|werk: yikes`
`21:22.34`	`BZFlag`	`http://fastolfe.net/misc/i-opener-faq.html#q2.6`
`21:22.51`	`file[laptop]`	`Russ\|werk: figure out how much shipping would be sometime and if it's not too much who knows...`
`21:23.03`	`file[laptop]`	`an internal ethernet port would be nice...`
`21:23.08`	`BZFlag`	`sorphin: that would be nice too, got the parts for doing the 2nd usb?`
`21:23.41`	`sorphin`	`BZFlag: yeah, most i scavenced off an old motherboard and the fuse i got samples for`
`21:23.43`	`Russ\|werk`	`BZFlag: just take the parts from my mobo on the first port`
`21:24.05`	`sorphin`	`Russ\|werk: damn man`
`21:24.25`	`sorphin`	`Russ\|werk: you sound like "take my wife.. please".. cept.. it's "take my IO... please"`
`21:24.29`	`BZFlag`	`and what do you want for the dead mobo?`
`21:24.53`	`Russ\|werk`	`I don't care, its dead`
`21:25.09`	`BZFlag`	`I'll cover the shipping. ;-)`
`21:25.34`	`Russ\|werk`	`oh, and I did the voltage mod and the amd whatever cpu with lasagna cooler`
`21:26.09`	`BZFlag`	`I've got the cooler, but never got around to doing the voltage mod.`
`21:26.20`	`sorphin`	`did the USB`
`21:26.21`	`Russ\|werk`	`the voltage mod is really easy`
`21:26.33`	`sorphin`	`made some lil standoff points for a 2.5 drive`
`21:26.39`	`BZFlag`	`yeah, I just never got a replacement cpu.`
`21:26.45`	`sorphin`	`and they ended getting put away`
`21:26.46`	`Russ\|werk`	`I have that`
`21:26.50`	`sorphin`	`haven't touched them in eons`
`21:27.13`	`BZFlag`	`I do have 256M in mine iirc.`
`21:27.17`	`Russ\|werk`	`I just screwed the drive to the metal plate`
`21:27.25`	`sorphin`	`russ bzflag: what versions ?`
`21:27.35`	`Russ\|werk`	`I don't remember`
`21:29.43`	`BZFlag`	`sorphin: versions of which?`
`21:29.53`	`sorphin`	`the IO`
`21:30.06`	`sorphin`	`which rev`
`21:30.08`	`BZFlag`	`ah. mines a real early one.`
`21:30.36`	`file[laptop]`	`all I know is that mine has a 2GB hardrive in it with Linux on it`
`21:30.49`	`BZFlag`	`no epoxy, no missing pins on the ide interface, etc.`
`21:31.09`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`21:32.03`	`file[laptop]`	`Russ\|werk: oh I forgot - I can get the USB NIC for free, I've got a gift card for Radioshack :)`
`21:32.22`	`Russ\|werk`	`someone gave you a gift card to ratshack?`
`21:32.30`	`file[laptop]`	`my dad`
`21:32.33`	`Russ\|werk`	`your tech offerings in ca must be pretty slim`
`21:32.38`	`file[laptop]`	`I bought my hub using it`
`21:32.54`	`file[laptop]`	`everything here costs so much, so I try to get stuff shipped in...`
`21:33.05`	`file[laptop]`	`but it takes so long... and customs...`
`21:33.12`	`Russ\|werk`	`I think the radioshacks here are mostly out of the computer hardware buisnesss`
`21:34.59`	`file[laptop]`	`Russ\|werk: MMM I guess I'll pass up that offer for that IO stuff`
`21:35.33`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`21:35.42`	`file[laptop]`	`me... passing up something free`
`21:35.48`	`sorphin`	`i got a gift card for RS and one for ultimate electronics which i swapped mom for a mall one :P`
`21:39.49`	`BZFlag`	`what's needed to do dvd playback on an xbox?`
`21:40.07`	`sorphin`	`very little`
`21:40.12`	`BZFlag`	`if you get a mod chip, does that include or enable a player?`
`21:40.13`	`sorphin`	`you can do it w/o the IR dongle now`
`21:40.17`	`file[laptop]`	`BZFlag: a dvd? :)`
`21:40.42`	`sorphin`	`BZFlag: umm.. you can snag stuff for playing trivally`
`21:46.13`	`sorphin`	`BZFlag: i know where all the xbox goodies are ;)`
`21:47.16`	`BZFlag`	`hit me. ;-)`
`21:47.25`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
`21:49.45`	`sorphin`	`that site has a 30 sec idle timeout tho, so look quick and don't idle ;)`
`21:49.57`	`sorphin`	`else, i suppose i could let you look at what i have too ;p`
`21:52.46`	`BZFlag`	`xdk? as in the M$ one? or the new open one?`
`21:52.56`	`sorphin`	`m$`
`21:57.27`	`sorphin`	`hence why i said you wouldn't want it ;)`
`22:00.30`	`BZFlag`	`I'd like to read the license actually. ;-)`
`22:00.46`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`22:02.33`	`sorphin`	`well, considering i haven't actually installed it yet.. and it's an exe setup.. can't help ya atm`
`22:05.49`	`sorphin`	`[root@giga /bigdrive/carlos/console-utils/Xbox_SDK_June_4627-WAM/temp]# file *.exe`
`22:05.49`	`sorphin`	`XDKSetup4627.exe: MS-DOS executable (EXE), OS/2 or MS Windows`
`22:05.51`	`sorphin`	`:P`
`22:06.33`	`sorphin`	`anyways, anything else, such as the bios, etc.. (unless youre gonna use xbox-linux's bios)`
`22:06.40`	`sorphin`	`is on that ftp site`
`22:09.07`	`BZFlag`	`I'm grabbing some bios images now.`
`22:09.20`	`BZFlag`	`is there a way to play dvds without the playback kit?`
`22:09.57`	`sorphin`	`yes`
`22:10.20`	`sorphin`	`try looking in the howto/faq stuff on www.xbox-scene.net`
`22:10.29`	`sorphin`	`if it's not there, i'll find it for you later on`
`22:11.06`	`sorphin`	`'and in a timely manor too ;)`
`22:25.20`	`sorphin`	`bbl.`
`22:46.28`	`Russ\|werk`	`hmmm...`
`22:46.36`	`Russ\|werk`	`gator is making random connections to my box`
`22:58.30`	`Russ\|werk`	`and akami`
`23:11.41`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: my e-mail has been quiet as a ghost today... :-)`
`23:14.05`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: ya ya`
`23:14.19`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: my whiskey bottle hasn't been`
`23:47.43`	`*** join/#elinux file[laptop] (~lan@mctn1-0580.nb.aliant.net)`
`23:50.04`	`sieve`	`night all`

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