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| 00:00.33 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: hopefully around mid feb |
| 00:00.48 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: nice |
| 00:00.52 | prpplague | file: the one 74LS series chip i don't have is the one i need |
| 00:01.03 | sorphin | Lethal: suuuuuuuuure you don't |
| 00:01.11 | file | prpplague: curses |
| 00:01.32 | prpplague | Lethal: i've got to spend more time learning hardware/cpu stuff |
| 00:01.34 | file | prpplague: what's this embedded linux toolkit btw/ |
| 00:01.35 | file | ? |
| 00:01.53 | file | mmm |
| 00:01.58 | Lethal | prpplague, its fun stuff, though a lot of that depends on the varying levels of crack intake by vendors |
| 00:02.08 | prpplague | file: http://hackkit.eletztrick.de/IMG_1389.JPG |
| 00:02.19 | prpplague | Lethal: agreed |
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| 00:03.01 | TheMasterMind1 | hey tim |
| 00:03.05 | sorphin | BZFlag: evening mr flag ;) |
| 00:03.23 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: ben_'s the one having trouble with his webpal |
| 00:03.26 | ben_ | prpplague: TMM1 here tells me I should ask you for help with my webpal |
| 00:03.54 | file | hello ben_ |
| 00:04.41 | file | I blame the blizzard! |
| 00:05.18 | ben_ | you sound like my cable company, only they blame the weather when its bright and sunny |
| 00:05.31 | file | ben_: in my case it's a legit blame :) |
| 00:05.50 | ben_ | yes, sounds slightly moreso |
| 00:07.09 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:07.30 | ben_ | prpplague: So I should be able to use gdb with the webpal, even with a blank Flash ROM |
| 00:07.37 | sorphin | yes |
| 00:07.45 | prpplague | ben_: ya |
| 00:07.51 | ben_ | The debugging stuff is part of the proc, not the flash? |
| 00:07.58 | sorphin | yup |
| 00:07.59 | ben_ | cause it ain't workin |
| 00:08.15 | prpplague | ben_: thats why i say its probably the ram |
| 00:08.25 | prpplague | ben_: since the processor won't do anything without ram |
| 00:08.26 | ben_ | hmm |
| 00:08.32 | ben_ | but it was working fine and then all of a sudden |
| 00:08.34 | ben_ | boom |
| 00:08.37 | ben_ | is that normal? |
| 00:08.44 | ben_ | http://webpal.bigbrd.com/bootstrap.htm |
| 00:08.46 | file | delayed bad ram syndrome? :) |
| 00:08.49 | ben_ | that process sounds sane? |
| 00:09.04 | prpplague | ben_: ya well ram is crazy that way, especially since it's been sitting in a warehouse since 97 |
| 00:09.20 | ben_ | I have a 32MB stick i could borrow from another comp |
| 00:09.30 | ben_ | but I think that might be too big for this little thing |
| 00:09.33 | ben_ | at least without a mod? |
| 00:10.07 | prpplague | ben_: at least you could find out if its the ram, and yes it's sane, i've already done it 5 times |
| 00:10.14 | sorphin | ben_: you have to wire up another pin to guarantee 32M will work right (depending on the stick) |
| 00:10.58 | prpplague | sorphin: my dual bank 32's work fine |
| 00:11.19 | ben_ | ok |
| 00:11.24 | ben_ | ill go get it |
| 00:11.37 | ben_ | what would the symptom of it being the wrong memory configuration be? |
| 00:11.45 | TheMasterMind1 | i have a box of ram downstairs, and 10 486s too |
| 00:11.47 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:11.52 | ben_ | how do I know if it works without the mod |
| 00:13.36 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:13.40 | prpplague | ben_: you should be able to get the green and red lights then back to the green |
| 00:14.04 | sorphin | ben_: you can make it dump the ram config on the serial port |
| 00:14.57 | ben_ | ok |
| 00:15.05 | ben_ | the computer had 2 16MB simms |
| 00:15.10 | ben_ | so I put one in |
| 00:15.14 | ben_ | and it does the same thing |
| 00:15.15 | sorphin | prpplague: and yes, i know, but not all will |
| 00:15.17 | ben_ | just green light only |
| 00:16.15 | ben_ | any ideas? |
| 00:17.07 | TheMasterMind1 | sorphin: how to you make it dump ram config |
| 00:18.16 | sorphin | something about holding down that push switch in the middle of the board, while hitting reset, i'd have to look for it again.. |
| 00:18.45 | ben_ | I tried running minicom |
| 00:18.52 | ben_ | I see nothing at all out of the serial port |
| 00:18.58 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:25.06 | prpplague | hmm, i've got a 40-pin dip to 40-pin dip ribon cable that is damaged, where the hell am i gonna find that |
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| 00:26.47 | ben_ | prpplague: any ideas? Replacing the RAM didn't seem to help. |
| 00:32.05 | prpplague | ben_: well since you soldered you rs-232 adapter to the board, no |
| 00:32.29 | ben_ | i can move it |
| 00:32.38 | ben_ | if you think there would be value in moving it |
| 00:32.42 | prpplague | ben_: move it or remove it? |
| 00:32.44 | ben_ | Im gonna connectorize it anyway |
| 00:32.48 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you here? |
| 00:32.49 | ben_ | sooner or later |
| 00:32.58 | ben_ | just don't have any connectors at the momet |
| 00:33.16 | ben_ | move or remove, either one, what did you have in mind |
| 00:33.44 | prpplague | i'd remove as much as you can and see if you get any additional lights |
| 00:33.53 | ben_ | ok |
| 00:34.05 | ben_ | It was working fine |
| 00:34.12 | ben_ | you think the interface could do it? |
| 00:35.16 | prpplague | might |
| 00:35.21 | prpplague | might have shorted something |
| 00:35.36 | ben_ | ok |
| 00:35.42 | ben_ | ill give it a try in a bit |
| 00:35.46 | ben_ | I kinda doubt it though |
| 00:35.46 | prpplague | i just tested mine with bad ram, and it seems to act like what your describing |
| 00:36.00 | ben_ | Cause I did load up a linux kernel and all last night |
| 00:36.02 | ben_ | with no troubles |
| 00:36.07 | ben_ | hmm |
| 00:36.15 | ben_ | well the ram I put in there was just pulled from a working machine |
| 00:36.17 | ben_ | and no diference |
| 00:37.31 | ben_ | if I take the RAM and flash out |
| 00:37.43 | ben_ | should the debugger stuff still work |
| 00:40.40 | prpplague | no |
| 00:41.48 | ben_ | so if the flash or ram were dead |
| 00:41.55 | ben_ | perhaps in this case the flash |
| 00:41.58 | ben_ | it wouldnt work |
| 00:55.25 | GPSFan | prpplague: have you tried any ram with 4k refresh yet? |
| 00:57.41 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya all the stuff i have is with 4k refresh |
| 00:58.34 | GPSFan | ah, I may need to get a 64M simm, got X11 running and it really likes ram. ;>) |
| 01:02.58 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya well, i've not gotten anything higher than 32mb recognized yet |
| 01:05.36 | GPSFan | ah, there may need to be a kernel tweak, or maybe something to bootb in the memory controller setup. |
| 01:10.53 | sorphin | prpplague: did you do the 4k mod ? |
| 01:18.01 | prpplague | no, i thought the ram was already at 4k |
| 01:18.39 | prpplague | sorphin: sorry, my mistake, all the ram i have is 2k refresh |
| 01:19.56 | GPSFan | sorphin: how is your serial interface comming along? |
| 01:27.27 | sorphin | GPSFan: still waiting on maxim, once the chips show, it'll be done that night |
| 01:28.15 | sorphin | and i'll do the 4k mod then too |
| 01:29.11 | sorphin | and i can get this damn board out from just sitting on one of my rack shelves ;p |
| 01:30.23 | sorphin | prpplague: gonna actually build that ether ? |
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| 01:49.12 | sorphin | ade|bed: evening |
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| 02:36.24 | aman | hi |
| 02:37.02 | sorphin | aman: no, no russ ;) |
| 02:37.23 | aman | lol |
| 02:37.27 | aman | i checked via whois |
| 02:37.31 | aman | ;) |
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| 03:04.52 | ben_ | Hi prpplague, Im back |
| 03:05.03 | ben_ | I removed my serial cable |
| 03:05.06 | ben_ | from the board |
| 03:05.08 | ben_ | but still no good |
| 03:05.23 | sorphin | did you put the stock ram back in? |
| 03:05.25 | sorphin | just for grins |
| 03:05.29 | ben_ | yea |
| 03:05.53 | ben_ | stock ram and pull from a working computer both don't work |
| 03:06.03 | sorphin | hmm |
| 03:06.12 | ben_ | so I don't think thats it |
| 03:06.20 | ben_ | I really think its the flash being screwed up |
| 03:06.32 | sorphin | nod |
| 03:06.45 | ben_ | I did get a root filesystem installed on my 2.5" HD though |
| 03:06.45 | sorphin | well, considering i'm still waiting for the chips to make my serial, i can't help much |
| 03:06.49 | ben_ | So ill be set with that |
| 03:07.11 | ben_ | ok |
| 03:07.19 | ben_ | you get free samples? |
| 03:07.25 | sorphin | gpsfan and prpplague are the current "experts" atm |
| 03:07.27 | sorphin | yes |
| 03:07.30 | ben_ | =) |
| 03:07.44 | ben_ | I used a MAX203 |
| 03:07.51 | ben_ | cause it doesn't need caps |
| 03:08.55 | sorphin | umm |
| 03:08.59 | sorphin | you mean a 233 :P |
| 03:09.25 | sorphin | you either use a 232 or 233 (or a 235 to do both serial ports on the webpal) |
| 03:10.13 | ben_ | no |
| 03:10.15 | ben_ | I mean 203 |
| 03:10.20 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:10.26 | ben_ | it works fine |
| 03:10.36 | ben_ | It does the same thing |
| 03:10.39 | sorphin | well, no one else has used a 203.. so no guarantees :P |
| 03:10.49 | ben_ | why they make so many different kinds of chips that use the same thing |
| 03:10.51 | ben_ | i dunno |
| 03:10.55 | ben_ | use = do |
| 03:11.18 | sorphin | diff specs/tolerances |
| 03:11.28 | ben_ | yea I guess |
| 03:11.47 | ben_ | well this one is def. 5v |
| 03:11.52 | ben_ | used it many times before |
| 03:11.59 | ben_ | for other computer to wierd device interfaces |
| 03:37.03 | file | goodnight... |
| 03:42.04 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:50.50 | MonMotha | ibot webpal |
| 03:50.51 | | [webpal] a set top box appliance that can run Linux. see http://webpal.bigbrd.com/, or http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html |
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| 03:56.51 | MonMotha | anyone here? |
| 03:58.15 | sorphin | nope |
| 03:58.37 | MonMotha | didn't think so |
| 03:58.51 | sorphin | sup ? |
| 03:58.54 | MonMotha | is the modem in the webpal a "real" modem or is it a software controlled thing ala a winmodem? |
| 03:59.09 | MonMotha | in other words, is there a snowball's chance in hell of making it work in linux |
| 03:59.14 | MonMotha | and not much :) |
| 03:59.21 | sorphin | it's a real modem i think |
| 03:59.42 | MonMotha | nice |
| 04:00.20 | MonMotha | you get yours from softwareandstuff.com/ |
| 04:00.20 | MonMotha | ? |
| 04:00.21 | sorphin | just look up the chip that's on it :P |
| 04:00.24 | sorphin | it's a cirrus |
| 04:00.26 | sorphin | 'yup |
| 04:00.30 | sorphin | both of em |
| 04:00.39 | MonMotha | seems reputable enough? |
| 04:02.02 | sorphin | 'and hes got 10 from em |
| 04:02.08 | sorphin | 'and bout to order 10 more |
| 04:02.29 | ben_ | You could make a cluster of these things |
| 04:02.35 | ben_ | at $12.95 per node |
| 04:02.38 | ben_ | the price is right |
| 04:02.44 | ben_ | I dunno about performance though |
| 04:03.04 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:03.36 | MonMotha | heh |
| 04:03.41 | MonMotha | Imagine a Beowulf cluster of... |
| 04:04.13 | ben_ | i can't wait to run dnetc on mine |
| 04:04.16 | ben_ | I know im gonna win |
| 04:04.33 | sorphin | ~fishslap monmotha for using the B word |
| 04:04.34 | | ACTION slaps monmotha up side the head with a wet fish for using the B word |
| 04:04.57 | MonMotha | heh |
| 04:05.45 | sorphin | everyone here that has a webpal |
| 04:05.47 | sorphin | bought it from them |
| 04:05.55 | ben_ | I would use OpenMOSIX not the B one |
| 04:05.56 | MonMotha | good enough |
| 04:06.10 | ben_ | I bought from that place |
| 04:06.13 | ben_ | thats 12.95 |
| 04:06.18 | ben_ | and like 5 of my friends too |
| 04:06.34 | ben_ | now, it wasn't on my credit card |
| 04:06.38 | ben_ | but, from what I hear |
| 04:06.40 | ben_ | no problems |
| 05:01.20 | MonMotha | what's the clock speed of the webpal's CPU? |
| 05:01.38 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:01.39 | sorphin | slow |
| 05:01.49 | sorphin | think it's maybe 40 ? |
| 05:02.00 | MonMotha | not bad |
| 05:02.10 | MonMotha | my first linux box was a 486 DX/2 @ 50MHz |
| 05:02.37 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:02.41 | sjhill | *knuckles cracking* |
| 05:02.46 | sjhill | time to hack some kernel |
| 05:02.49 | sorphin | sjhill: sup mipsbitch |
| 05:03.01 | sjhill | sorphin: hey wcom whore |
| 05:03.12 | sorphin | sjhill: that's lackey |
| 05:03.21 | sjhill | oh....SORRY |
| 05:03.36 | sjhill | :P |
| 05:03.40 | sjhill | sorphin: what's up? |
| 05:03.49 | sorphin | heh, not much |
| 05:04.04 | sorphin | finishing watching raiders of lost ark on tv, talking to the gf, etc |
| 05:04.06 | sorphin | you? |
| 05:04.41 | sjhill | just returned from a wedding....fiancee is watching tv... |
| 05:04.58 | sjhill | i'm in the basement obviously |
| 05:05.02 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:05.04 | sjhill | disks shipped |
| 05:05.05 | sorphin | i live in the basement ;p |
| 05:05.05 | sjhill | ? |
| 05:05.26 | sorphin | monday.. sorry, didn't even make it out day |
| 05:05.34 | sjhill | gaah |
| 05:05.38 | sorphin | heh, you need to learn how to use attachments btw :P |
| 05:06.16 | sjhill | sorphin: what was up with that anyway? i sent it as an attachement, what happened? |
| 05:06.33 | sorphin | heh, pine didn't see it as one ;) |
| 05:06.40 | sjhill | *sigh* |
| 05:06.52 | sjhill | let me try it again real quick |
| 05:06.52 | sorphin | i managed to get it out |
| 05:06.55 | sjhill | oh |
| 05:06.57 | sorphin | w/ slight crap in the middle ;p |
| 05:06.59 | MonMotha | ah, the modem's in the ISA slot |
| 05:07.13 | sorphin | MonMotha: um.. yeah |
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| 05:57.37 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, is russ ever around? |
| 05:57.47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: occasionally |
| 05:57.48 | kergoth | hey all |
| 05:58.53 | sorphin | TheMasterMind1: email him or something :P |
| 05:59.04 | TheMasterMind1 | sorphin: yea, i should |
| 05:59.07 | kergoth | hey dan, hows it goin? |
| 05:59.16 | sorphin | kergoth: goin alright, you ? |
| 05:59.31 | kergoth | pretty good, got my weight lifting equipment all assembled, so i can actually work out again :) |
| 05:59.37 | sorphin | cool |
| 05:59.53 | kergoth | ah yeah, I have that problem a lot |
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| 07:26.01 | Russ | yes TheMasterMind1? |
| 07:26.08 | TheMasterMind1 | its russ! |
| 07:26.09 | TheMasterMind1 | hey |
| 07:26.15 | TheMasterMind1 | check your botmail |
| 07:26.40 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm trying to get your shannon_irkbd driver working on the sharp zaurus |
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| 07:27.25 | Russ | botmail? |
| 07:28.06 | TheMasterMind1 | it seems to work, i put a printk in shannon_kbd_irq() and its printing out stuff each time i press a key on the IR keyboard |
| 07:28.44 | TheMasterMind1 | the problem is that the data coming in isn't any good. mostly i get 0xff or 0xfd 0xdf , the values are really inconsistent. the same key gives different values etc |
| 07:28.45 | Russ | its very dependant on the input layer |
| 07:29.05 | Russ | oh, ok |
| 07:29.15 | Russ | are you using a CIR receiver on the zaurus? |
| 07:29.54 | TheMasterMind1 | its an IR receiver.. whats the C stand for |
| 07:30.01 | Russ | commercial |
| 07:30.09 | Russ | there are two type's or IR receivers |
| 07:30.15 | Russ | IrDA one, and CIR ones |
| 07:30.38 | TheMasterMind1 | its probably CIR then |
| 07:30.45 | Lethal | printk() in interrupt context? eww |
| 07:30.48 | Russ | where did you get it? |
| 07:30.57 | TheMasterMind1 | its built into the zaurus |
| 07:31.01 | Russ | Lethal: not a problem iirc, it just puts it on a stack |
| 07:31.09 | Russ | TheMasterMind1: then its probably irda |
| 07:31.13 | Lethal | Russ, depends on how often you get the interrupt |
| 07:31.28 | TheMasterMind1 | Russ |
| 07:31.31 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, i see |
| 07:31.35 | TheMasterMind1 | so that changes things then |
| 07:31.39 | Russ | TheMasterMind1: remote controls, and webtv (tuxscreen/webpal) keyboards send out a modulated signal |
| 07:31.50 | Russ | the tuxscreen one is modulated at 56k |
| 07:31.56 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 07:32.03 | Russ | a CIR receiver only picks up signals for which it is tuned |
| 07:32.16 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 07:32.19 | Russ | so as long as a 56k CIR receiver is receiving a 56k pulse, it gives a 1 |
| 07:32.25 | Russ | otherwise, it gives a zero |
| 07:32.33 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 07:32.34 | TheMasterMind1 | makes sense |
| 07:33.00 | Russ | code exists to set the irda receiver to a higher baudrate than whatever the modulation frequency is, and read in the data that way |
| 07:33.11 | TheMasterMind1 | where might i find this code |
| 07:33.26 | TheMasterMind1 | so what am i trying to do? set it higher so that it is basically like the CIR in the webpal? |
| 07:33.32 | Russ | don't remember, CosmicPenguin might know, its the code that is used for reading codes from remote controls |
| 07:33.45 | TheMasterMind1 | ah, in the lirc code then probably |
| 07:33.46 | Russ | I don't know what kind of receiver is in the webpal |
| 07:34.30 | Russ | you might need the sa11x0 manual |
| 07:34.37 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, it would probably help |
| 07:34.51 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll grab a copy of it |
| 07:35.19 | Russ | also, the data sheet for a CIR receiver might help you out |
| 07:37.28 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll look at the lirc_sir module and see how to set it to a certain modulation |
| 07:45.40 | Russ | char *dummy = ... ; ... free(dummy); // Because hey, free dummy. |
| 07:45.46 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 07:46.10 | Lethal | er, how does CIR differentiate from FIR/SIR? |
| 07:46.18 | Lethal | or is it totally unrelated? |
| 07:47.07 | Russ | FIR and SIR are framings |
| 07:47.22 | Russ | they are documented in the sa11x0 manual, CIR is not |
| 07:48.28 | TheMasterMind1 | so i just need the irda to behave like the webpal cir and receive signals of the proper modulation and it should work right |
| 07:48.51 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, when i said webpal above, i meant tuxscreen |
| 07:49.09 | TheMasterMind1 | just realized that |
| 07:49.13 | Russ | when reading a 56k modulated signal in, it will look like (iirc) |
| 07:49.25 | Russ | 000000101010101010101010100000000000000000000010101010101010000000000000000 etc |
| 07:49.44 | Russ | or maybe it was 000000000000001001001001001001 etc, I don't remember |
| 07:50.01 | TheMasterMind1 | unsigned int freq = 38000; /* modulation frequency */ |
| 07:56.39 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.42 | TheMasterMind1 | what is NRZ? |
| 07:57.03 | Russ | NRZ, its what is used on serial ports electrically, but you never see in software |
| 07:57.30 | Russ | no longer does 1 mean 1 and zero mean zero |
| 07:57.41 | Russ | zero now means, no change, and one means change |
| 07:57.48 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 07:57.48 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 07:57.57 | Russ | so 00 is 0, 11 is 0, 01 is 1, 10 is 1 |
| 08:00.18 | TheMasterMind1 | with IrDA, do you actually set some register to tell it to recieve a certain modulation |
| 08:01.10 | Russ | I don't think its the same thing |
| 08:01.21 | Russ | I think they mean bitrate |
| 08:01.45 | Russ | er, you mean NRZ vs not NRZ |
| 08:15.07 | Russ | anyway, I'm going to go play some bf1942 |
| 08:15.12 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 08:15.14 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks for the help |
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| 13:31.37 | FsT | hi |
| 13:32.13 | FsT | wazzup ppl ! |
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| 15:10.13 | prpplague | morning all |
| 15:11.33 | mastermnd | morning |
| 15:13.33 | GPSFan | morning prpplague. |
| 15:14.16 | prpplague | i hope you guys are having a better one than me! |
| 15:14.46 | GPSFan | webpal problems? |
| 15:15.53 | prpplague | GPSFan: work problems |
| 15:16.26 | GPSFan | :>( |
| 15:17.05 | prpplague | if ( _stupidity_level_percentage_ > 100 ) { call("dave"); } |
| 15:18.29 | mastermnd | lucky you |
| 15:20.05 | prpplague | ya and on sunday too, with a hangover :| |
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| 19:58.45 | sorphin | grr |
| 19:58.58 | TomW | life sux, eh? |
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| 20:00.59 | prpplague | hey TomW |
| 20:01.19 | TomW | morning |
| 20:01.43 | prpplague | TomW: can i pester you with some terminology questions? |
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| 20:02.51 | sorphin | TomW: uh oh.. run |
| 20:03.03 | prpplague | TomW: you know the flat plastic ribbon cable that is often used with lcd panels? what is the name of that style of connector? |
| 20:03.08 | prpplague | sorphin: shut up |
| 20:03.25 | prpplague | sorphin: i regulary bribe ppl for tech support |
| 20:03.27 | sorphin | prpplague: uh.. kidding :P |
| 20:03.31 | prpplague | sorphin: i know |
| 20:03.49 | TomW | prpplague: IDC (Insulation Displacement Connection) |
| 20:03.53 | sorphin | yup |
| 20:03.55 | prpplague | sorphin: i do ask alot of question don't i? |
| 20:04.12 | prpplague | TomW: hmm, thats more like whats used with floppy and ide cables |
| 20:04.14 | sorphin | prpplague: least you're willing to learn ;) |
| 20:04.32 | prpplague | TomW: i mean the type that is made of like carbon/graphic film |
| 20:04.51 | TomW | prpplague: ok, you mean the FPC (Flat Plastic Cable). |
| 20:05.23 | TomW | prpplague: there is another cable of the same type, but I don't recall what its name is. |
| 20:05.55 | prpplague | TomW: ahh ok, is there any that sells FPC to idc or something i can solder to esily? |
| 20:05.57 | TomW | prpplague: or FPC can also mean Flat Printed Circuit? |
| 20:06.07 | TomW | prpplague: nope |
| 20:06.10 | prpplague | hmm |
| 20:06.34 | prpplague | TomW: so i'm have to order the connectors from digikey and make a pcb myself, bummer |
| 20:06.42 | TomW | prpplague: you have to use a mating connector, that stuff is usually fragile and melts easily. |
| 20:06.58 | TomW | cheap shit cable |
| 20:08.38 | prpplague | TomW: ya ment something like a mating connector on a small pcb that has a idc header on it |
| 20:08.56 | prpplague | TomW: i assume digikey sells fpc connectors right? |
| 20:11.05 | TomW | prpplague: not really, sometimes they have the FPC cable. It appears that they are involved with contract manufacturing / JIT delivery for some big outfits. This is why we see some rather leading edge stuff being available in thier catalog and available in small quantities. |
| 20:12.06 | TomW | prpplague: if thier big account(s) ain't using it, you probably won't find it in their catalog, unless the overall demand is high enough. From my experience, you have to sample those connectors directly from Molex, etc. |
| 20:13.12 | TomW | rats! It is snowing again! |
| 20:14.03 | prpplague | TomW: lol |
| 20:14.17 | prpplague | TomW: we only get snow about every 5-10 years |
| 20:14.25 | prpplague | TomW: hmm that bits |
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| 20:14.43 | TomW | yeah, well, it seems we are getting it every few days now. |
| 20:14.49 | file | hi all |
| 20:24.05 | prpplague | TomW: crap, all the small cheap lcds use this FPC stuff |
| 20:24.22 | TomW | prpplague: yup! :( |
| 20:24.47 | prpplague | TomW: who would you buy 100 pieces from? |
| 20:24.53 | TomW | prpplague: IDC connections are more expensive to do. |
| 20:24.54 | prpplague | TomW: directly from molex? |
| 20:25.09 | prpplague | TomW: ya but idc's are easy to solder by hand |
| 20:25.45 | TomW | prpplague: the problem is that those connectors are only available on Tape & Reel. You are talking a thousand(s) of connectors per Reel. |
| 20:25.54 | prpplague | shit |
| 20:26.27 | prpplague | i guess i could desolder the fpc and replace it with idc style cable |
| 20:26.35 | TomW | prpplague: I needed something like 20 connectors that were only available as Tape & Reel, I had to call Molex and get the twenty "samples". |
| 20:27.21 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:27.28 | sorphin | Xbox Private Key Distributed Computing Project |
| 20:27.37 | TomW | prpplague: I explained to them that I was doing a small production run and could not get the connectors anywhere. I even asked them if I could purchase from them, or did they have a solution. They sampled them to me. |
| 20:27.38 | sorphin | for a 2048bit key |
| 20:28.04 | prpplague | TomW: is it my imagination, or has being an electronics hobbyist gotten more difficult on the supply side of things in the last 10 years? |
| 20:28.18 | sorphin | prpplague: it has |
| 20:29.21 | prpplague | btw, an aquatance i know who works a radio-shit told me they got a memo stating that they should clear out space for them to start carrying components again |
| 20:29.49 | prpplague | anyone else heard that? |
| 20:29.49 | sorphin | nope |
| 20:29.53 | sorphin | would be nice tho |
| 20:30.03 | sorphin | cept R$ usually charges a big markup |
| 20:30.22 | prpplague | sorphin: ya pretty big, but its worth it when your in a jam |
| 20:30.42 | sorphin | yeah |
| 20:30.47 | prpplague | i've got to order a ton of 74LS series chips for my ms.pacman board |
| 20:30.57 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:30.59 | prpplague | she is in bad shape |
| 20:31.16 | MonMotha | ms.pacman? |
| 20:32.04 | TomW | prpplague: yes, since the advent of BGA devices, it has been apparent to me that the "cost" of doing business in the electronics design / manufacturing field has risen significantly. |
| 20:32.17 | MonMotha | prpplague: and it definately has...I used to be able to buy all I needed at RS, now I have to go 30-45min down the street and pay a pretty high markup (at least as bad, if not worse than RS) to get lots of stuff |
| 20:33.02 | MonMotha | TomW: even soldering SSOPs by hand is a big pain in the rear (if you can even do it, I've never tried) |
| 20:33.04 | prpplague | is it a sign of the times? does big biz not think of use as a valuable market anymore? |
| 20:33.21 | MonMotha | prpplague: over the past 10 years there's been a shift in focus I think |
| 20:33.40 | file | yummy - apple pie |
| 20:33.55 | MonMotha | used to be "sell as many as we can, and charge what we can to make money", now it's "give as many people as we can price breaks to establish vendor loyalty, but then we can only sell in LARGE quantities to make up for it" |
| 20:34.03 | prpplague | you know HAM radio used to be a big prize, now no one even cares |
| 20:34.07 | TomW | prpplague: Actually, I have seen the number of components drop at my local RS stores. They are now carring _less_ hobby components and more run-of-the-mill stuff. |
| 20:34.18 | TomW | prpplague: like connectors, fuses, etc. |
| 20:34.36 | prpplague | TomW: right, this memo just arrived friday |
| 20:34.42 | MonMotha | TomW: oh definately...I went in a couple weeks ago to try and buy a "crystal in a can" |
| 20:34.49 | MonMotha | they no longer carry any crystals |
| 20:35.03 | MonMotha | 5 years ago they had a whole wall of them for the HAMs |
| 20:35.06 | prpplague | TomW: apparently some of the electronics groups have complained |
| 20:35.09 | TomW | prpplague: MonMotha: DigiKey is where I go anymore. |
| 20:35.28 | TomW | prpplague: if DigiKey doesn't stock it, I don't use it. |
| 20:35.31 | TomW | :( |
| 20:35.34 | sorphin | i hit Gateway Electronics 1st.. if they don't have it, i'll go to digiscam or something |
| 20:35.38 | prpplague | TomW: ya, and jameco, but it sure is sad, i got my first RS credit card when i was 7 |
| 20:35.44 | MonMotha | TomW: yeah, but then you kinda haev to batch your orders up to hit the $25 mark, radio shack you can just walk in and buy something (even if it does cost a fair amount) |
| 20:36.10 | MonMotha | I'm lucky enough to have a big parts warehouse just downt eh street (well, the 30-45min down the street...), but they're not cheap either |
| 20:36.20 | MonMotha | they do at least have a decent selection, mostly analog though |
| 20:36.25 | TomW | prpplague: I don't use jameco, except in emergencies. JameCo is _not_ a stocking dealer for anything, they sell over-run stock, inventory buyouts, etc. |
| 20:37.04 | prpplague | TomW: ya but they often have net keyboards and pcbs :) |
| 20:37.27 | TomW | prpplague: humph |
| 20:38.02 | prpplague | TomW: lol |
| 20:38.40 | MonMotha | hum, I wonder if I can dig up any of my old RS catalogs |
| 20:38.42 | prpplague | guess i've added another item i need to open with my nudie bar |
| 20:38.56 | MonMotha | should take it in and say "but you say you sell it!" :) |
| 20:39.01 | TomW | prpplague: I can sometimes get Arrow Electronics to sell me small lots of things. But, it is again a similar situation as with DigiKey, they are contracted for JIT delivery for some big-boys and if they happen to have a cut Reel, they will cut you off a strip. |
| 20:39.06 | MonMotha | prpplague: parts store with a nudie bar in front? |
| 20:39.10 | prpplague | dave's nudie bar/english pub/Electronics parts/open source think tank |
| 20:39.24 | TomW | LOL |
| 20:39.24 | sorphin | ;) |
| 20:39.54 | MonMotha | prpplague: not bad though I must say |
| 20:40.55 | file | WinChip2 actually... |
| 20:40.55 | prpplague | only at daves can you see something drink beer, see something socking, get something to keep from being shocked, and feel open about it |
| 20:41.20 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:41.51 | sorphin | 'dave's where you can see nudity, drink beer, and build something, all w/o leaving your seat |
| 20:42.44 | prpplague | "where not only computers get placed on your lap!" |
| 20:44.13 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 20:45.44 | prpplague | TomW: what kind of money would be involved in getting a small pcb production unit together? |
| 20:46.43 | TomW | prpplague: "small pcb production unit"? |
| 20:47.01 | prpplague | TomW: i.e. making 2-4 layers boards |
| 20:47.57 | TomW | prpplague: you talking about unit as in "a manufacturing company" or "production of a PCB" |
| 20:48.22 | prpplague | TomW: manufuring |
| 20:50.21 | TomW | I think what you are asking me is what it would cost to setup yourself as a short run production facility catering to contract manufacturing with various clients who need 100 boards or less produced? |
| 20:50.40 | sorphin | sounds like it ;) |
| 20:50.49 | TomW | I'm confused. Working on code and not really following the thread, sorry. |
| 20:51.37 | prpplague | TomW: ya thats what i'm asking |
| 20:51.52 | prpplague | TomW: sorry, not focused myself today either |
| 20:53.38 | TomW | whew! I couldn't even begin to guess at that one. The costs for getting an IR Oven, Pick-n-Place machinery, solder paste mask equipment, etc. would be really substantial! But, I haven't a clue as to what neighborhood that cost would be, more than $100K? |
| 20:54.23 | prpplague | hmm, thats considerable |
| 20:54.37 | TomW | The solder mask stuff alone would be pricey as those masks are 0.005" brass sheets and are cut out using a laser. |
| 20:54.57 | TomW | s/solder/paste/ |
| 20:56.03 | sorphin | mmmmm laser |
| 20:56.55 | TomW | I have considered setting up to do BGA here, but the cost of the equipment to manually mount those devices is in the $10K range. Considering the amount of labor involved in running off, say 20 boards, it would pay to contract with an assembly house to put your stuff together. |
| 20:57.58 | TomW | without Pick-n-Place, solder pasting, and an IR Oven line, SMD is a pain in the ass to run off more than a couple of boards. |
| 20:58.44 | TomW | prpplague: that panel I sent you the Eagle layout for took me about a half hour to paste & solder 8 boards at a time. |
| 21:07.04 | Russ | TomW: pnp machines are fun to watch |
| 21:07.28 | Russ | my house has an automated solder paste machine, 2 pnp machines, and an oven, all in a line |
| 21:07.30 | TomW | Russ: :) |
| 21:08.04 | TomW | Russ: Ah! So _you_ know the costs involved then. |
| 21:08.12 | Russ | me? |
| 21:08.15 | Russ | I didn't pay for the stuff |
| 21:08.21 | TomW | ? |
| 21:08.33 | Russ | I could find out for you |
| 21:08.37 | TomW | discards? |
| 21:08.44 | Russ | what about them? |
| 21:08.57 | Russ | they are fun to watch when the machine isn't calibrated right for the part |
| 21:09.07 | Russ | and it just starts doing discards at a high rate of speed |
| 21:09.08 | TomW | No, I was just wondering how you have that machinery there and didn't pay for them. |
| 21:09.17 | TomW | Russ: extortion? |
| 21:09.21 | Russ | oh, because I don't own or operate the board hose |
| 21:09.53 | TomW | oh, oh, oh! "house" meaning board house, not _your_ house! |
| 21:10.02 | TomW | doh |
| 21:10.19 | sorphin | heh :P |
| 21:10.34 | TomW | sorry, my head is into code right now. I'm gone. |
| 21:11.08 | Russ | no, see, I was driving down the street, and there was an old couch and a juki 750E high speed pick and place module sitting on the sidewalk next to the dumpster |
| 21:11.59 | Russ | I went and knocked on the door, and asked if I could take it, and they threw in a heller 1088 forced-convection reflow oven for free |
| 21:12.08 | TomW_coding | Russ: heh |
| 21:12.09 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:12.19 | TomW_coding | LOL |
| 21:15.07 | MonMotha | question: how difficult would it be to hang a large amount of flash (about 1GB+) on a PC (using whatever interface you prefer, but guage the relative difficulty of it, ex: tapping the proc local bus is more difficult than using IDE) |
| 21:15.46 | Russ | MonMotha: it depends, does the machine have isa slots |
| 21:15.58 | Russ | MonMotha: and what is wrong with using IDE? |
| 21:16.36 | MonMotha | Russ: it may have ISA (and that's what I was thinking possibly), but nothing's wrong with IDE I guess |
| 21:17.14 | Russ | both would be easy and have existing solutions |
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| 21:18.03 | MonMotha | know of any 512MB or 1GB CF cards good for 1M erase cycles? |
| 21:18.13 | MonMotha | because I know that trick :) |
| 21:18.17 | MonMotha | and existing solution == good :) |
| 21:18.21 | Russ | try m-systems |
| 21:18.34 | Russ | I don't know if CF goes up to 1GB |
| 21:18.41 | sorphin | it does |
| 21:19.04 | sorphin | lil pricey for me tho |
| 21:19.15 | MonMotha | yeah, cheap would be good too :) |
| 21:19.46 | Russ | http://www.m-sys.com/content/products/product.asp?PID=2&FILE=doc2k&FAM=doc <- m-systems sells isa cards for these |
| 21:20.27 | Russ | http://www.m-sys.com/content/products/FFDfamilyPage.asp <- easy to integrate |
| 21:20.49 | Russ | the doc2000 gives you raw flash though, so you can use something like yaffs |
| 21:26.52 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:57.06 | file | Pixter, I smell a bubblechip |
| 22:10.30 | sorphin | re chris |
| 22:11.09 | prpplague | MonMotha: why not use a uDrive? |
| 22:11.16 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: lo |
| 22:11.25 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: been called to office |
| 22:11.37 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: i'll get that stuff to you this evening |
| 22:11.42 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: scouts honor |
| 22:12.05 | sorphin | prpplague: were you ever a scout? :P |
| 22:13.53 | prpplague | eagle |
| 22:14.18 | sorphin | scary |
| 22:14.25 | sorphin | you musta been the drunkard of the pack ;) |
| 22:14.47 | prpplague | lol, i didn't start drinking till i joined the army |
| 22:15.17 | sorphin | sounds like a good reason to start drinking :P |
| 22:15.38 | prpplague | the army? |
| 22:15.40 | prpplague | naq |
| 22:15.44 | prpplague | naw |
| 22:15.47 | prpplague | lots of fun |
| 22:16.04 | sorphin | blech |
| 22:16.12 | sorphin | all the military branches wanted me |
| 22:18.17 | sorphin | if i could skip the bootcamp + gun + kill people crap |
| 22:18.20 | sorphin | maybe |
| 22:18.27 | sorphin | otherwise, fsck no |
| 22:22.08 | prpplague | lol |
| 22:22.16 | prpplague | that was the fun part :) |
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| 22:27.59 | sorphin | prpplague: i don't care for guns.. in a game it's one thing.. irl.. it's another |
| 22:28.24 | sorphin | prpplague: guns give you more "power" than i care to have |
| 22:28.57 | prpplague | sorphin: ya thats why the military has to be held to a highe moral standard than the rest of society |
| 22:29.54 | sorphin | prpplague: maybe |
| 22:29.59 | sorphin | prpplague: but to me, killing is killing |
| 22:30.07 | MonMotha | prpplague: spec is no moving parts |
| 22:30.14 | sorphin | 'doesn't matter if it's on the street, or it's in another country and being called 'war' |
| 22:30.26 | MonMotha | it's not a matter of being small, but rather not moving :) |
| 22:30.45 | sorphin | prpplague: killing 'in the line of duty' is still a glamourous name for murder :P |
| 22:32.21 | sorphin | MonMotha: 1G flash costs close to the cost of a uDrive.. |
| 22:33.08 | prpplague | MonMotha: ahh |
| 22:33.12 | MonMotha | sorphin: yes, but we'd rather have the flash than the uDrive |
| 22:33.34 | Russ | prpplague: so you kick ass at bf1942? |
| 22:33.44 | MonMotha | however, we want 1M erase cycles, at least a few hundred k |
| 22:33.55 | sorphin | MonMotha: i know.. i was just comparing |
| 22:33.59 | MonMotha | ah, k |
| 22:34.12 | prpplague | Russ: lol, naw, but i do at area51 |
| 22:34.13 | sorphin | i.e. tisn't as cheap as 256M |
| 22:34.35 | prpplague | MonMotha: what is the price target? |
| 22:34.54 | MonMotha | prpplague: as cheap as we can get it, but we're still in the "can it be done" stage |
| 22:35.01 | MonMotha | as long as it's not outrageous, price isn't a problem |
| 22:36.53 | sorphin | MonMotha: we're talking CF, right ? |
| 22:37.27 | MonMotha | sorphin: doesn't really matter...any way that's easy to interface to a PC |
| 22:37.35 | MonMotha | or PC-Like device |
| 22:38.12 | sorphin | nod |
| 22:38.32 | MonMotha | obviously CF will work in a little CF->IDE converter doohickey |
| 22:40.18 | sorphin | ok |
| 22:40.27 | sorphin | 1GB COMPACTFLASH TYPE1 CF CARD ( SDCFB-1000-768 ) |
| 22:40.32 | sorphin | 457 |
| 22:41.28 | sorphin | according to pricewatch |
| 22:41.52 | MonMotha | not too bad |
| 22:41.56 | MonMotha | type 1 eh? impressive |
| 22:42.02 | MonMotha | I was thinking it would be a thicker type 2 |
| 22:42.16 | sorphin | nod |
| 22:43.33 | sorphin | the SD looks to indicate sandisk |
| 22:44.27 | prpplague | MonMotha: there is an isa card that is solid state flash |
| 22:45.06 | MonMotha | prpplague: emulating a hard drive would be nice, though not required I guess...as long as it's bootable |
| 22:46.36 | prpplague | MonMotha: let me see if i can find that url |
| 22:55.39 | prpplague | MonMotha: i can't seem to find the url |
| 22:55.46 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'll check at the house |
| 22:57.20 | MonMotha | okie... |
| 22:57.43 | prpplague | MonMotha: i never pay'd that much attention to it since i never needed that much storage |
| 22:58.31 | sorphin | prpplague: least not in flash ;) |
| 22:58.37 | MonMotha | well, I'd really love to use something other than a PC for this, but since we don't exactly have the facilities to do real hardware design/manufacturing at our disposal (especially at these low volumes, well less than 1k units) |
| 22:58.41 | MonMotha | ... |
| 22:58.50 | prpplague | sorphin: period, we try to keep our stuff under 16mb |
| 22:59.09 | sorphin | prpplague: you said i, not we :P |
| 22:59.11 | prpplague | MonMotha: whatcha doing? |
| 22:59.40 | prpplague | sorphin: i stand corrected |
| 22:59.43 | MonMotha | prpplague: well, basically we're building a "server" with no moving parts |
| 22:59.50 | MonMotha | 1GB would be the top end, we could probably do it with 512MB |
| 23:00.02 | MonMotha | thing is it will have to serve things like web pages and such, so it can' tbe like 16MB |
| 23:01.05 | prpplague | MonMotha: why not make a total ram system that is backed up to an hd or tape? |
| 23:01.23 | MonMotha | prpplague: pain in the neck |
| 23:02.08 | prpplague | MonMotha: will the content of the pages be changing very often? |
| 23:02.14 | MonMotha | prpplague: no |
| 23:02.19 | MonMotha | hence why flash is reasonable |
| 23:03.29 | prpplague | MonMotha: hmm sounds like using 4 256MB cf;s cards would work |
| 23:03.58 | MonMotha | prpplague: well, you'd need 4 IDE channels then |
| 23:04.07 | MonMotha | I thought about using 2 512MBs and doing RAID 0 |
| 23:04.09 | prpplague | MonMotha: no just 2 |
| 23:04.22 | MonMotha | I didn't think you could do slave on CF cards |
| 23:04.32 | Morn | can anyone lend me a hand in figuring out what some perl regex's are doing? |
| 23:04.33 | prpplague | MonMotha: ya no problems |
| 23:04.38 | MonMotha | interesting |
| 23:04.53 | prpplague | MonMotha: when is ata mode cf cards are exactly like and ide harddrive |
| 23:05.00 | MonMotha | which would be better speed wise you think, 4 256s with slave or 2 512s each a master |
| 23:05.02 | MonMotha | RAID 0 |
| 23:05.40 | prpplague | MonMotha: any time you can get more contiguous storage is better |
| 23:05.40 | prpplague | MonMotha: IMHO |
| 23:06.06 | MonMotha | prpplague: yes, but remember that only one thing can be in progresso n an IDE bus at a time |
| 23:06.26 | MonMotha | do CF cards buffer for writes (since the erase cycles take so long)? or do they stall the IDE bus? |
| 23:07.33 | prpplague | MonMotha: i don't know the offical answer, but i have found that it stalls the ide bus |
| 23:08.15 | MonMotha | prpplague: that would make slaving another member of the raid array a very bad thing |
| 23:08.24 | prpplague | MonMotha: why not put your webpage images in gzipped format on the flash and extract them to ram |
| 23:08.27 | MonMotha | since the write to the next card would have to wait until the first card was done |
| 23:08.48 | prpplague | MonMotha: do you only have 1 ide channel? |
| 23:08.50 | MonMotha | prpplague: not much ram on this sucker... |
| 23:08.52 | MonMotha | prpplague: two |
| 23:09.20 | prpplague | MonMotha: http://www.mncurtis.com/Curtis/CurtisProducts/IDEFD.htm |
| 23:09.26 | MonMotha | basically we want clients to be able to treat is as a normal linux system |
| 23:10.01 | MonMotha | hum, the ones Russ posted earlier had 1M erase cycles |
| 23:10.14 | prpplague | MonMotha: oh ya i didn't see the url |
| 23:12.05 | sorphin | prpplague: hey.. i looked at the Z port stuff last week.. vcc is only 3.3v, not 5v on the Z's serial (or so it says) |
| 23:15.52 | prpplague | sorphin: ya the Vcc from the power supply is 3.3v, however there is also a connector for the external power source which is 5v |
| 23:16.21 | prpplague | sorphin: problem is if you run a battery throught the 5v input, it tries to charge the internal battery with the external one |
| 23:16.30 | prpplague | got head home |
| 23:16.35 | prpplague | bbiaw |
| 23:41.33 | cpenguin_home | Morn: still fighting with those regexps? |
| 23:46.33 | Morn | yeah |
| 23:47.34 | Morn | what does s#</TR#</tr#og mean I know it's a replace and the g is global, but where do the #'s come from and the o at the end? |
| 23:54.13 | Morn | ok, /o means re-evaluate the regex each time it is used |
