| 00:02.30 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:06.50 | ade|desk | what util tells you who owns a domain |
| 00:06.59 | file | whois |
| 00:07.09 | ade|desk | ta |
| 00:07.46 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:09.11 | ade|desk | damn .. i'm behind a firewall .. could someone tell me whois damo.com |
| 00:09.57 | ade|desk | please |
| 00:10.12 | file | my... mmm |
| 00:11.00 | sorphin | Damian Regan |
| 00:11.04 | sorphin | in Miami, FL |
| 00:11.21 | ade|desk | ta |
| 00:11.23 | sorphin | dammsky@hotmail.com |
| 00:12.03 | ade|desk | what about dam0.com |
| 00:13.06 | sorphin | damian lee |
| 00:13.18 | sorphin | d.lee@ex.ac.uk |
| 00:13.25 | ade|desk | right ts |
| 00:13.28 | ade|desk | ta even |
| 00:13.37 | sorphin | no worries |
| 00:13.40 | ade|desk | i'll be avin words monday |
| 00:13.49 | sorphin | whyso? |
| 00:14.16 | ade|desk | illegal use of university bandwidth |
| 00:14.41 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:14.48 | sorphin | howso ? |
| 00:15.14 | ade|desk | hes running server that aint ment to be on janet |
| 00:15.23 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:15.31 | sorphin | and you're gonna snitch :P |
| 00:15.49 | ade|desk | na.. i want in on it :) |
| 00:16.00 | ade|desk | call it blackmail if you like |
| 00:17.09 | sorphin | heh, if you're lucky ;p |
| 00:17.53 | sorphin | what is it? pr0n? warez? :P |
| 00:19.27 | ade|desk | hes selling hosting for UT2003 servers |
| 00:19.54 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:10.29 | sorphin | hmm |
| 01:10.34 | sorphin | so much for wine running ifoedit |
| 01:11.07 | sorphin | Invoking /usr/bin/wine.bin ./ifoedit.exe ... |
| 01:11.07 | sorphin | fixme:process:CreateProcessA (X:\Joifae5.tmp,...): NORMAL_PRIORITY_CLASS ignored |
| 01:11.07 | sorphin | Wine exited with a successful status |
| 01:11.11 | ade|desk | does it not .. shame |
| 01:11.30 | sorphin | says all that but never see ifoedit :P |
| 01:16.31 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:16.35 | sorphin | and here's someone saying it does |
| 01:16.36 | sorphin | hrm |
| 01:21.17 | andersee | mastermnd: ok, buildroot-tux has been updated |
| 01:21.42 | mastermnd | great, I'll take a look now.. |
| 01:25.56 | Jag | Damn it |
| 01:26.09 | Jag | This thing doesn't seem to want to boot from the CF |
| 01:30.37 | Jag | I suppose I can tftp the kernel over and mount the root partition off the CF, but that feels way to much like a cop out. |
| 01:31.32 | mastermnd | andersee: failed already. |
| 01:31.51 | mastermnd | I think $(GNU_TARGET_NAME) isn't defined. |
| 01:32.12 | mastermnd | uclibc_toolchain.mk |
| 01:32.26 | mastermnd | it mkdirs /home/mastermnd/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/build/stage/lib/gcc-lib |
| 01:32.47 | mastermnd | then: (cd /home/mastermnd/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/build/stage/; ln -fs ../lib) |
| 01:32.47 | mastermnd | ln: `./lib': cannot overwrite directory |
| 01:34.09 | mastermnd | yeah, GNU_TARGET_NAME is defined in the uclibc buildroot's Makefile but not in the tux's |
| 01:34.20 | Jag | I wonder is lilo just can't hand with devfs |
| 01:34.49 | mastermnd | Jag: lilo works ok with devfs on my desktop. |
| 01:35.29 | Jag | k |
| 01:35.50 | Jag | Hmm.. LILO acts like it's installing. |
| 01:35.50 | Jag | And |
| 01:36.02 | Jag | I've been doing the install from the actual hardware that will run it |
| 01:36.09 | Jag | To get around any device mapping issues |
| 01:36.19 | Jag | Set part1 active |
| 01:36.29 | Jag | Installed linux to part1 and disc respectively. |
| 01:36.33 | Jag | No luck with either |
| 01:36.53 | mastermnd | are you using the same root partition that you want lilo to load? |
| 01:36.58 | Jag | No |
| 01:37.05 | Jag | I'm using lilo from a /boor partition |
| 01:37.12 | Jag | / is cramfs |
| 01:37.18 | Jag | s/boor/boot/ |
| 01:39.18 | mastermnd | msg me your lilo.conf and the output fomr mount (as opposed to flooding the channel) |
| 01:40.11 | andersee | mastermnd: oops. forgot to checkin my toplevel Makefile updates. |
| 01:40.30 | andersee | mastermnd: fixed now |
| 01:41.57 | mastermnd | ah, much-improved. appreciate the help! |
| 01:42.24 | Jag | Will do |
| 01:46.12 | Jag | Sent |
| 01:46.35 | mastermnd | Jag: how far does it get on boot? I suspect the root= line. |
| 01:46.37 | mastermnd | brb |
| 01:46.45 | Jag | It never loads lilo |
| 01:46.51 | Jag | Fails with a no OS error |
| 01:47.55 | mastermnd | do you even get the L? |
| 01:48.34 | Jag | Nope |
| 01:48.36 | Jag | Nadda |
| 01:48.42 | Jag | Fails with a BIOS error |
| 01:49.03 | Jag | Damn thing can boot of CF, but I don't know what I've got to do to make it happy. |
| 01:49.51 | Jag | NetVistas seem to devote alot of effort at being a pain in the ass. |
| 01:50.14 | mastermnd | oh, if it's a BIOS error, then it must be a BIOS problem, not lilo |
| 01:50.22 | mastermnd | or so I'd think.. |
| 01:50.59 | Jag | It's the "No OS" BIOS error. |
| 01:51.13 | Jag | Same one you get if LILO is totally screwed. |
| 01:51.22 | Jag | Which I don't think it is |
| 01:51.36 | mastermnd | ok |
| 01:56.37 | mastermnd | can you try booting off the CF with another machine? |
| 01:57.42 | mastermnd | unless I'm mistaken, as long as the boot= line is correct, which it appears to be, then you shoudl get _something_ |
| 01:58.00 | Jag | alas, no. |
| 01:58.08 | Jag | This is the only bootable CF hardware I have. |
| 01:58.14 | Jag | And it's a weird beasty. |
| 01:58.20 | Jag | Has two friggin BIOS's |
| 01:58.28 | Jag | One will *only* load a raw kernel. |
| 01:58.56 | Jag | the other seemingly can't boot from the CF, but will do PXE |
| 01:59.18 | Jag | The first BIOS doesn't init the video card, second one does. |
| 01:59.22 | Jag | It's just bizaare. |
| 02:00.26 | mastermnd | If you dd a kernel into a hard disk (not a partition), will an i386 machine boot it (as it does a floppy)? |
| 02:00.40 | Jag | Don't think so. |
| 02:00.47 | Jag | Might though... |
| 02:00.53 | Jag | Hell, I have no reason not to try it. |
| 02:01.06 | Jag | But then how do you get the arguments into the kernel? |
| 02:01.07 | mastermnd | it seems like the bios isn't even seeing the device as a boot device though. |
| 02:01.29 | Jag | (Thats the problem I have with the direct load BIOS) |
| 02:01.30 | mastermnd | compile them in, just like with a boot floppy |
| 02:01.43 | Jag | Where do you compile in a argument? |
| 02:01.51 | Jag | Is there a standard place for that? |
| 02:02.12 | Jag | Most kernel floppies I've used included syslinux |
| 02:02.14 | mastermnd | I'm not sure, look at a boot disk howto: www.linuxdocs.org |
| 02:02.32 | mastermnd | it's been awhile since I've done one. |
| 02:02.45 | Jag | As far as I can tell, the only way to compile them in is to edit arch/i386/kernel/setup.c |
| 02:03.02 | mastermnd | I remember something about actually toggling bits in the kernel image itself for certain options |
| 02:03.18 | Jag | Yeah, I've seen tools for that. |
| 02:05.13 | mastermnd | do you have an old hard disk laying around? I think I'd dding your CF to a hard disk and then see if you can make lilo work on that, then you narrow it down to a bios problem |
| 02:05.23 | mastermnd | then go from there |
| 02:05.34 | Jag | Might try that. |
| 02:05.51 | Jag | Going to go back to hard coding the kernel options and using a direct load for a bit. |
| 02:05.54 | Jag | See how that works out. |
| 02:06.13 | mastermnd | ok, good luck |
| 02:06.29 | Jag | The direct load BIOS looks cooler anyway :) |
| 02:06.34 | Jag | Thats the offical Linux mode |
| 02:06.40 | mastermnd | *grin* |
| 02:06.56 | Jag | Ironically, the offical WSOD (OS/2 TC) actually runs Linux better |
| 02:08.45 | Jag | Wish my desktop could CF boot |
| 02:08.50 | Jag | But my CF reader is USB |
| 02:09.01 | mastermnd | I've got a NetVista here and everything works ok but the onboard sound *shrug*, of course I don't have CF |
| 02:09.17 | Jag | I've got everything working great with the netboot. |
| 02:09.20 | Jag | Sound too |
| 02:09.47 | Jag | The RAMDAC seems to corrupt at more than 1024x768 |
| 02:10.25 | Jag | And it's odd, but it requires the vesafb to be set to the desired resolution of X. |
| 02:10.50 | Jag | Have you tried using a video card in the PCI slots? |
| 02:10.54 | mastermnd | mine doesn't have onboard video |
| 02:11.19 | Jag | Oh... |
| 02:11.23 | Jag | you have one of the workstation? |
| 02:11.25 | Jag | s |
| 02:11.31 | mastermnd | yeah |
| 02:11.36 | Jag | I have the N2800 Thin Client |
| 02:11.45 | mastermnd | oic |
| 02:11.56 | Jag | Cool toy.. |
| 02:12.05 | Jag | But it's got enough quirks to really annoy. |
| 02:12.14 | mastermnd | heh |
| 02:12.47 | Jag | If I were buying new, (Instead of $66 off of eBay) I think mini-itx systems netbooted would make better, faster thin clients than any of the commercial ones. |
| 02:12.59 | Jag | For about 1/3 the price |
| 02:13.13 | mastermnd | now I understand the issues a bit more, so does this thing even have an ide port to drop in a hard disk for testing? |
| 02:13.30 | Jag | Nope |
| 02:13.36 | Jag | Just a CF port |
| 02:13.44 | mastermnd | well that's not going to help much then.. |
| 02:13.49 | Jag | But I can test on a regular workstation. |
| 02:13.56 | Jag | See if my image works. |
| 02:14.24 | mastermnd | yeah, not as productive as wha tI had in mind, but better then nothing.. |
| 02:14.48 | Jag | I just thing the OS/2 BIOS can't IDE boot. |
| 02:14.56 | Jag | Ah well, dinner time. |
| 02:15.01 | Jag | Will fight with this sucker more later. |
| 02:15.10 | mastermnd | yeah, I gotta run too.. hope it works out.. |
| 02:15.14 | Jag | Thanks |
| 02:15.17 | Jag | Have a good nigh |
| 02:15.17 | Jag | t |
| 02:15.25 | mastermnd | thanks, you too.. |
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| 03:37.29 | sorphin | prpplague: evening sucka |
| 03:37.53 | kergoth | hey dan |
| 03:38.01 | kergoth | i'm bored as fuck, at home, on a saturday night. somebody shoot me |
| 03:38.41 | MonMotha | ok, kergoth: can 4000 series logic be directly connected to 74HCT series logic? |
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| 04:05.15 | sorphin | prpplague: make up your mind :P |
| 05:34.19 | MonMotha | anyone willing to look over a circuit for me? |
| 05:36.37 | sorphin | maybe |
| 05:37.42 | MonMotha | http://monmotha.mplug.org/flashburner-4.0.pdf |
| 05:37.46 | MonMotha | flash burner for EPP pport |
| 05:37.55 | MonMotha | it surely has errors (timing related) |
| 05:38.06 | MonMotha | or possibly logic errors, but I think I worked all those out |
| 05:38.21 | MonMotha | I rely on the propogation delay of the logic for timing, no doubt a bad thing to do |
| 05:38.28 | MonMotha | but very fast if it works |
| 05:39.45 | MonMotha | I have a postscript if you prefer |
| 05:39.52 | MonMotha | or gschem source |
| 05:40.01 | sorphin | heh, how bout a jpeg :P |
| 05:40.11 | MonMotha | not very scalable... |
| 05:40.21 | MonMotha | unless it's huge |
| 05:43.51 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:48.50 | MonMotha | sorphin: well, it is a messy schematic, but I couldn't find any way to make it easier to read without making it bigger |
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| 05:53.53 | sorphin | or even tim |
| 05:53.55 | andersee | evening tim |
| 05:53.58 | sorphin | evening tim |
| 05:54.04 | MonMotha | ge tim |
| 05:54.51 | sorphin | MonMotha: :P |
| 05:56.33 | MonMotha | sorphin: 74245 is a bidirectional buffer, 74138 is an inverting 3 to 8 line decoder, 74251 is a tristate buffer with two OE lines ANDED together, 74574 is a tristate octal flip flop, 74573 is a tristate octal latch |
| 05:57.10 | MonMotha | http://www.itis.spb.ru/win/tech/ttl74.htm |
| 05:57.19 | MonMotha | I haven't worked out the resistor values yet |
| 05:57.27 | MonMotha | the zener should probably be 5V |
| 05:59.02 | MonMotha | that's ok |
| 05:59.06 | MonMotha | it's not an easy one to read |
| 05:59.09 | MonMotha | kinda crowded |
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| 20:39.40 | fd | hello |
| 20:39.43 | fd | anybody here |
| 20:39.48 | file | Affirmative |
| 20:40.02 | fd | I have a problem building latest buildroot for tuxscreen: |
| 20:40.14 | fd | pthread.h: no such file. |
| 20:40.24 | fd | any idea what's going wrong? |
| 21:42.20 | andersee | fd: how old is your sources/dl/uClibc-snapshot? |
| 21:42.31 | andersee | fd: ancient? |
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| 21:51.30 | CosmicPenguin | afternoon all |
| 21:51.37 | file | hi CP |
| 21:51.42 | CosmicPenguin | whassup? |
| 21:54.53 | fd | a few days |
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