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| 00:04.29 | prpplague | evening folks |
| 00:04.53 | kergoth | yo prpplague |
| 00:06.20 | prpplague | kergoth: whats up my friend? |
| 00:08.08 | kergoth | not a lot, forced to learn more NET+OS than i wanted to know |
| 00:08.15 | kergoth | (which was _anything_) |
| 00:09.12 | prpplague | lol |
| 00:09.22 | prpplague | at least your getting to learn something |
| 00:09.52 | prpplague | kergoth: interested in some advice |
| 00:10.11 | kergoth | hey sure, what the hell |
| 00:10.20 | prpplague | DON'T GET MARRIED |
| 00:10.38 | kergoth | heh, I'll remember that |
| 00:10.48 | prpplague | see that you do |
| 00:11.47 | prpplague | kergoth: of course if you find a woman that cooks like martha stewart, and programs like andersee, that might be ok |
| 00:12.09 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:22.12 | sieve | or jewls |
| 00:22.18 | sieve | ahem.... |
| 00:23.05 | prpplague | sieve: hey |
| 00:23.12 | prpplague | sieve: you still at work? |
| 00:23.16 | sieve | prpplague: yo |
| 00:23.18 | sieve | yea |
| 00:23.26 | sieve | about to leave |
| 00:23.51 | prpplague | sieve: just went to see kerry, they are moving her out of icu, she looks like shit |
| 00:24.15 | sieve | prpplague: are they moving her to her own room now or what? |
| 00:24.20 | prpplague | ya |
| 00:24.35 | sieve | prpplague: how did the pro edure go? |
| 00:25.16 | prpplague | sieve: fine, but i'm gonna miss work tomorrow for when they move her |
| 00:25.50 | sieve | need me to tell anyone or you going to call? |
| 00:26.18 | prpplague | naw, i call herb in the morning |
| 00:26.46 | sieve | prpplague: btw, I think you will get to work on the tcsx again soon... |
| 00:26.54 | prpplague | oh? |
| 00:27.09 | sieve | prpplague: it seems that the graphics side of things is becomming an issue |
| 00:27.32 | sieve | prpplague: at least that's what gregg sounded like was going to happen |
| 00:27.35 | prpplague | ya but they won;t let me do it right |
| 00:27.48 | prpplague | it'll just be another band-aid |
| 00:27.55 | sieve | probably |
| 00:28.15 | sieve | but atleast it's not image-shit |
| 00:28.24 | prpplague | amen |
| 00:29.07 | sieve | and you were right that I should have kept my mouth shut.... greg wants me to look into HA.... |
| 00:30.06 | prpplague | told ya |
| 00:30.21 | sieve | well... I'm outy.. |
| 00:40.12 | CosmicPenguin | yo |
| 00:41.04 | sorphin | ho |
| 00:41.36 | prpplague | lo |
| 00:41.45 | CosmicPenguin | what up people? |
| 00:42.07 | sorphin | icysnow :P |
| 00:56.13 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: how goes the hackkit? Let out any bluesmoke yet? |
| 00:57.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nothing yet |
| 00:57.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: making a parallel port jtag cable now |
| 00:57.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the jtag has buffers on board thanks to Russ |
| 00:57.33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: mmm.... jtag |
| 00:57.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so its all direct connect lines |
| 00:57.53 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I've got lots of free time these days to write drivers for it.. :) |
| 00:58.09 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: once I get Pixil done, of course |
| 00:58.24 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ;) |
| 01:04.04 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: Of course, I have no idea when that will be. As far as I know, its ready to release |
| 01:04.13 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: but Greg doesn't think so |
| 01:04.19 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:04.26 | sorphin | and why not ? |
| 01:04.50 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I dunno... If I knew, I could fix it... :) |
| 01:05.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: fun |
| 01:05.30 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so he doesn't say why he thinks so? |
| 01:05.43 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: hopefully he will tommorrow - I have a call with him in the morning |
| 01:06.14 | sorphin | k |
| 01:07.11 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I'll tell him you are waiting with baited breath... :) |
| 01:07.26 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: right now I'm working on a window manager for the tux |
| 01:07.48 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i wouldn't be the only one waiting, most here are ;p esp Morn :P |
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| 02:38.48 | AlHaz | Hey, somebody here was looking for an isa 10/100 nic that doesn't use dma, right? |
| 02:39.15 | AlHaz | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3400361738&category=28029 <-- Looks like an honest-to-god National Semiconductor 8390 on this one |
| 02:39.27 | AlHaz | (ne2k) |
| 02:39.32 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:39.53 | AlHaz | Only seen one like that before in my life, stuck to an IBM PPC eval board |
| 02:40.01 | AlHaz | heh |
| 02:40.09 | sorphin | should buy it for the "collector" value ;) |
| 02:40.15 | AlHaz | heh |
| 02:40.35 | AlHaz | I was looking for something else, and saw that, and remembered that someone here was looking for something like that |
| 02:40.44 | AlHaz | for a webpal, iirc |
| 02:41.05 | AlHaz | I don't remember who it was |
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| 02:57.20 | MonMotha | AlHaz: yes, I was looking for it |
| 02:57.48 | MonMotha | nat semi 8390 was 10 only I thought |
| 02:57.55 | sorphin | yes |
| 02:57.56 | sorphin | it is |
| 02:57.57 | MonMotha | I thought the 100Mbit versions were just register compatible with 8390 |
| 02:58.15 | sorphin | a 100MBit isa card... |
| 02:58.21 | sorphin | isn't worth what it is |
| 02:59.07 | MonMotha | sorphin: I was looking for something to put int he webpal that may have a shred of hope of pulling off an X display without compression |
| 03:00.02 | sorphin | umm |
| 03:00.27 | sorphin | and i wouldn't use one |
| 03:00.33 | sorphin | because ISA can't handle full speed 100 :P |
| 03:00.36 | file[bed] | can the ISA bus even handle it? |
| 03:00.39 | sorphin | so it won't do it full |
| 03:00.42 | MonMotha | no, but it can handle more than 10 |
| 03:00.42 | file[bed] | yeah - I was just about to say that |
| 03:00.46 | sorphin | umm |
| 03:00.49 | sorphin | so ? |
| 03:01.00 | file[bed] | MonMotha wants more!!!! |
| 03:01.09 | sorphin | you *really* think the x display running ON a webpal is even gonna be fast? :P |
| 03:01.10 | MonMotha | even if it only goes 15-20, that's better than 10...and generally usable for X |
| 03:01.21 | sorphin | you forget what a webpal IS then |
| 03:01.34 | MonMotha | did I say I was going to remote display EVERYTHING? |
| 03:01.38 | MonMotha | it's for the hack value |
| 03:01.39 | file[bed] | my home network is 10 and I still like it |
| 03:01.53 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:01.55 | MonMotha | hum, maybe I'm just spoiled by my 20 port 100Mbit switch :) |
| 03:02.02 | sorphin | tis your time/$ |
| 03:02.03 | MonMotha | make that 24 |
| 03:02.05 | sorphin | umm |
| 03:02.08 | sorphin | that's nice |
| 03:02.18 | MonMotha | so do I, but it's only 10 |
| 03:02.23 | sorphin | w/ 2 100baseFX ports :P |
| 03:02.28 | MonMotha | my 100Mbit one is a 3com superstack |
| 03:02.39 | MonMotha | my catalyst has a 155 ATM uplink :) |
| 03:02.40 | sorphin | heh, i just recently sold my 3com SS II |
| 03:02.45 | MonMotha | (and one fast ethernet port) |
| 03:02.47 | file[bed] | I just have a tiny 4 port 10mbps netgear hub |
| 03:02.56 | sorphin | what model? |
| 03:03.07 | MonMotha | they work...my network was a 5 port (with one broken from static) linksys hub for a while |
| 03:03.11 | file[bed] | EN104-TP |
| 03:03.11 | MonMotha | sorphin: my catalyst? |
| 03:03.13 | sorphin | yes |
| 03:03.21 | MonMotha | 2820 |
| 03:03.34 | MonMotha | thsi was a freebie :) |
| 03:03.37 | MonMotha | as was the 3com |
| 03:03.44 | sorphin | this was $500 |
| 03:03.53 | file[bed] | mine was a freebie |
| 03:04.13 | sorphin | my 25xx's were "Free" tho |
| 03:04.50 | MonMotha | well, my catalyst I techinically need to give back...but the person I got it from has not come asking yet :) |
| 03:04.59 | MonMotha | the front panel's broken too :) |
| 03:05.25 | sorphin | the 25xx's are work decoms |
| 03:05.28 | sorphin | as is the ultra 5 |
| 03:05.39 | sorphin | 3 2501's and a 2511 |
| 03:06.18 | MonMotha | hum, only sparc I have is an IPX |
| 03:06.57 | MonMotha | I have tons of ARM based stuff tho |
| 03:07.04 | MonMotha | need to get some PPC and MIPS |
| 03:07.08 | MonMotha | and maybe another sparc |
| 03:07.18 | MonMotha | SuperH wouldn't be bad either |
| 03:07.30 | MonMotha | I have an ipaq, tux, and 4 webpals |
| 03:07.37 | MonMotha | probably gunna get a hackkit |
| 03:07.42 | sorphin | for mips i have my series 2 tivo and the I2 which i haven't turned on in months |
| 03:07.59 | MonMotha | oh, and I shouldn't forget Alpha |
| 03:08.02 | sorphin | my dreamcast |
| 03:08.06 | MonMotha | yeah, dreamcast |
| 03:08.09 | sorphin | and i have an alpha, but never used it |
| 03:08.14 | sorphin | a multia |
| 03:08.22 | MonMotha | problem is that good alphas aren't cheap |
| 03:08.29 | MonMotha | nor are good PPCs or Sparcs |
| 03:08.34 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:08.35 | MonMotha | or MIPS for that matter |
| 03:08.43 | sorphin | depends on what you define as cheap and as good |
| 03:08.46 | MonMotha | basically anything but ARM or x86 ain't cheap if you want it good |
| 03:08.59 | MonMotha | I define good as being competitive speed wise for normal computing with my PII 300 |
| 03:09.09 | MonMotha | or even a P200 MMX |
| 03:09.17 | MonMotha | (I'll even forgo the FPU for things like ARM) |
| 03:09.35 | sorphin | the multia is about == to a P100 i think |
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| 03:25.00 | AlHaz | sorphin: P100? more like a P60 . . . . |
| 03:25.12 | AlHaz | P100 if you figure in the floating point i guess |
| 03:26.14 | AlHaz | I have a few Sparc 10's y'all can make offers on |
| 03:26.17 | AlHaz | even some sun monitors |
| 03:26.35 | AlHaz | the ss10's are . . . two of them are lame, sm31 processors |
| 03:26.39 | AlHaz | one has a ross hypersparc at 200mhz |
| 03:27.35 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:27.36 | AlHaz | the tivo 2 is mips? I thought they just switched to a later rev. ppc |
| 03:27.37 | MonMotha | my IPX came with a monitor...that's why I took it |
| 03:27.44 | sorphin | AlHaz: um.. no |
| 03:27.53 | sorphin | AlHaz: it's an NEC 5432 :P~ |
| 03:27.53 | AlHaz | sun4c . . . man, I hate the sun4c boxes i used to use |
| 03:27.58 | AlHaz | even now, years after i used them |
| 03:28.00 | AlHaz | sorphin: Ah |
| 03:28.07 | AlHaz | I've used those |
| 03:28.20 | AlHaz | one of my last projects at lineo was on one of those |
| 03:28.25 | AlHaz | hell, it's probably still on my old desk |
| 03:28.56 | AlHaz | was an eval kit in vaguely atx formfactor, with an ALI pci chipset |
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| 03:29.34 | prpplague | freaking cable modem |
| 03:35.20 | MonMotha | hum, did my kernel patch ever make it in? |
| 03:35.47 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: I think I saw it |
| 03:36.42 | AlHaz | MonMotha: It's hard to read the numbers on the pic, but it's definately a National part . . |
| 03:37.09 | AlHaz | MonMotha: and there are *many* 16 bit ne2k compatible 10/100 designs, just most of them are pcmcia |
| 03:37.54 | MonMotha | AlHaz: oh, I know |
| 03:38.11 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: yeah, just make sure you put the kfree in as mentioned in the reply |
| 03:38.26 | MonMotha | if setting up the interrupt handler fails, it won't free the mem it grabbed |
| 03:38.29 | MonMotha | which is a bad thing :) |
| 03:43.39 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: nah |
| 03:43.55 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: right now I'm having problems with the buildroot - it went all funky on me |
| 03:45.17 | MonMotha | it does that |
| 03:47.53 | jacques | all funky how? |
| 03:49.25 | CosmicPenguin | all funky like the whole buildroot didn't end up flashing |
| 03:53.49 | AlHaz | MonMotha: ah, that nic is a DP83800, and NSC never released programming docs for it . . |
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| 04:02.30 | AlHaz | Boy, that didn't take me long to find |
| 04:02.47 | AlHaz | http://www.national.com/an/AN/AN-995.pdf <-- DP83800 software programmers guide |
| 04:02.51 | AlHaz | now wtf is wrong with donald becker? |
| 04:03.33 | CosmicPenguin | sigh |
| 04:04.02 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:04.14 | sorphin | AlHaz: maybe they did it recently? :P~ |
| 04:04.23 | AlHaz | sorphin: maybe they only released it recently |
| 04:04.26 | AlHaz | it's dated 1995 |
| 04:04.53 | AlHaz | could be becker is pissed off, I know some people were giving him shit around 2000/2001 |
| 04:05.22 | AlHaz | he didn't deserve it, but he also didn't take it very professionally |
| 04:05.28 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: NSC will drive anyone crazy |
| 04:05.50 | CosmicPenguin | I can't figure out why the hell this buildroot is broken |
| 04:06.50 | AlHaz | CosmicPenguin: iirc linus was down on becker, too |
| 04:07.18 | sorphin | AlHaz: linus has no business being down on anyone |
| 04:07.33 | sorphin | he's released some broken ass kernels that wouldn't even compile w/o an -ac :P |
| 04:08.28 | AlHaz | sorphin: Oh i agree |
| 04:08.59 | AlHaz | iirc the issue was something to do with patches to drivers getting rejected, changes to the ethernet portion of the kernel being rejected out of hand, etc |
| 04:09.37 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:09.52 | AlHaz | i think it boiled up around issues with various versions of various chips claiming to be tulip compatible, and issues regarding intel pro100 nics and certain pci busses |
| 04:10.25 | sorphin | now the tulip stuff |
| 04:10.28 | sorphin | i can understand |
| 04:10.39 | sorphin | didn't work for shite |
| 04:10.51 | AlHaz | some of them are good, some of them aren't, some of them only work with recentish kernels |
| 04:11.16 | AlHaz | and i used to work at a shop where the DNS servers were operating on machines with the most ugly-ass pci bus configuration i've ever seen . . . |
| 04:11.17 | CosmicPenguin | I'm thinking that uclibc is seriously broken, not just kinda broken |
| 04:11.40 | AlHaz | we had pro100b (82559) intel nics that would lock up at random intervals |
| 04:11.45 | AlHaz | just stop passing packets |
| 04:12.12 | AlHaz | and we switched them out for Netgear FA-310tx cards with lite-on tulip compatible chips |
| 04:12.17 | AlHaz | which had the same problems |
| 04:12.44 | AlHaz | the bug turned out to be both in those drivers and in the way the pci code in the kernel deals with pci masters on multiple busses |
| 04:13.01 | AlHaz | there were various driver hacks that made things seem better |
| 04:13.04 | AlHaz | stuff was ugly for a while |
| 04:13.26 | AlHaz | i finally installed cheapass isa ne2k cards in the dns servers and never had a problem with them again |
| 04:14.29 | AlHaz | anyway, iirc, linus said something about if becker didn't want to fix the drivers, and didn't want to accept patches, he'd let someone else maintain those drivers |
| 04:14.32 | AlHaz | and becker felt unappriciated |
| 04:16.40 | sorphin | does linus even do anything anymore other than pseudo coordinate, reject patches, and break things before releases like the VM ? |
| 04:17.22 | MonMotha | probably, but he sure doesn't let anyone know about it :)) |
| 04:17.54 | sorphin | in otherwords, prolly not |
| 04:25.49 | AlHaz | MonMotha: becker says that the 3c515 is the only supported isa 10/100 nic |
| 04:26.08 | AlHaz | MonMotha: considered installing an isa pcmcia bridge in your webpal? :) |
| 04:26.59 | MonMotha | AlHaz: yes, I have one...but I'd have to wire up an extra IRQ or two |
| 04:27.09 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:27.12 | MonMotha | and it might need mem mapped access...need to check the driver |
| 04:27.16 | sorphin | MonMotha: only cuz you have a stupid one :P |
| 04:27.22 | MonMotha | not to mention the only remaining IRQ lines are edge triggered, not level |
| 04:27.25 | MonMotha | sorphin: naw, just has two slots |
| 04:27.30 | MonMotha | two slots == two IRQs |
| 04:27.33 | sorphin | umm |
| 04:27.35 | MonMotha | I could do it on the one |
| 04:27.38 | sorphin | only if you USE both slots :P |
| 04:27.40 | sorphin | duh |
| 04:27.42 | MonMotha | just couldn't use two devices requiring IRQs |
| 04:27.45 | MonMotha | well yeah |
| 04:29.25 | AlHaz | http://john.ccac.rwth-aachen.de:8000/misc/oc2335.html |
| 04:29.33 | AlHaz | linux driver for the MCA version of that card |
| 04:29.50 | AlHaz | (same ethernet controller) |
| 04:30.05 | AlHaz | so a driver for the isa version is doable, for someone who knows how to write drivers |
| 04:30.50 | sorphin | too much trouble :P |
| 04:31.17 | MonMotha | agreed |
| 04:31.26 | MonMotha | I've got my hands full just porting BLOB to it |
| 04:31.41 | sorphin | plus there's a known usable card (other than just ne2k), so.. |
| 04:31.44 | MonMotha | which until I get a flash burner built...I won't be even testing since I have no way to reflash it if I screw up (which I will) |
| 04:31.45 | AlHaz | lot of trouble for what sounds like a lousy nic |
| 04:31.54 | MonMotha | sorphin: the 3com 100Mbit ISA requires DMA |
| 04:31.58 | AlHaz | sorphin: a 10/100? |
| 04:32.03 | sorphin | MonMotha: well duh |
| 04:32.07 | sorphin | AlHaz: um.. no |
| 04:32.09 | MonMotha | which the webpal lacks |
| 04:32.19 | sorphin | you're not gonna be able to use a damn 10/100 in the webpal |
| 04:32.22 | sorphin | deal with it :P |
| 04:32.35 | sorphin | not isa anyways |
| 04:32.39 | AlHaz | sorphin: it's possible! it just won't break more than about 20mbit |
| 04:32.44 | MonMotha | well see, now I have to do it...just to prove sorphin wrong :) |
| 04:32.48 | AlHaz | that's what i get with pcmcia 10/100 nics at least |
| 04:32.50 | AlHaz | 16 bit ones i mean |
| 04:33.06 | sorphin | AlHaz: more trouble than it's worth to me |
| 04:33.11 | sorphin | i don't plan on X'ing my webpals :P |
| 04:33.45 | sorphin | anyhow :P off to do something more interesting, like calling my gf :P |
| 04:34.23 | MonMotha | I figure I'll probably eventually have an X server running on the darn thing |
| 04:34.24 | MonMotha | so why not |
| 04:35.10 | AlHaz | X11 over 10bT seems ok to me . . . . though I am using it in compressed ssh sessions between machines that have between 600 and 800mhz of cpu driving them |
| 04:35.36 | MonMotha | AlHaz: I've done it over 10Mbit, but it's noticably laggy when you first create windows |
| 04:35.44 | MonMotha | overall fairly usable tho |
| 04:35.59 | AlHaz | doesn't seem that laggy to me |
| 04:36.00 | AlHaz | *shrug* |
| 04:36.11 | MonMotha | depends on what's in the window of course |
| 04:36.22 | MonMotha | if it's just text and you're rendering fonts locally, it's pretty quick (usually unnoticable) |
| 04:36.31 | MonMotha | if it's got lots of bitmaps, it slows down (duh) :) |
| 04:36.40 | AlHaz | I had sylpheed running on Exceed on a Win2k box through an ssh tunnel, and was using it through VNC on the machine that it was actually running on, earlier today |
| 04:36.43 | MonMotha | GIMP isn't very usable remotely over 10Mbit :) |
| 04:36.46 | AlHaz | and it didn't seem laggy |
| 04:36.49 | MonMotha | ah, VNC's different |
| 04:36.50 | AlHaz | not more laggy than anything seems in vnc |
| 04:36.52 | MonMotha | it actually has compression |
| 04:37.08 | MonMotha | X11 sends stuff uncompressed |
| 04:37.13 | MonMotha | so bitmaps take lots of bandwidth |
| 04:37.17 | MonMotha | oh well, I'll see how it goes |
| 04:37.25 | AlHaz | no, it was X11 over compressed ssh from box A to box B, and VNC from box B to box A |
| 04:37.40 | AlHaz | so the video was going from A to B, and then back to A |
| 04:38.06 | AlHaz | (long story, had it open so i could find an emailed reg code for some windows app) |
| 04:38.28 | MonMotha | hum, still compressed (which if the boxes were fast enough to run the comperssion, may have had an effect) |
| 04:38.29 | AlHaz | (and i wanted to cut/paste) |
| 04:38.30 | MonMotha | I've doen 10Mbit before |
| 04:38.41 | MonMotha | it's usually pretty usable, just bitmap heavy stuff can get a bit slow |
| 04:38.42 | AlHaz | yeah, ssh with zlib compression is still compression |
| 04:38.54 | MonMotha | I don't think the webpal could handle said compression :) |
| 04:38.57 | MonMotha | deflate isn't very fast |
| 04:38.57 | AlHaz | 700mhz celeron on one end, 800mhz athlon on the other |
| 04:39.02 | AlHaz | yeah, it couldn't |
| 04:39.54 | AlHaz | I use ssh for remote x around the house because it's damn convenient |
| 04:40.27 | AlHaz | no "xhost blah blah blah" |
| 04:40.28 | AlHaz | etc |
| 04:42.50 | MonMotha | yep |
| 04:43.11 | MonMotha | not to mention secure (encrypted, authenticated, blah, all without having to screw with magic cookies), and optional deflate compression |
| 04:45.07 | AlHaz | iirc i seem to remember people on my isp using remote x to run xbiff on the shell server and display on their home system |
| 04:45.13 | AlHaz | even back in the day when it was all dialup |
| 04:45.45 | AlHaz | xmission is a very geek-friendly isp, in most senses |
| 04:47.34 | MonMotha | xbiff isn't very dynamic or complex :) |
| 04:47.51 | MonMotha | probably for that reason |
| 05:10.46 | CosmicPenguin | hmm.... seg faults aplenty |
| 05:11.36 | MonMotha | soundsl ike RH 8 |
| 05:15.50 | CosmicPenguin | The buildroot is not well |
| 05:16.06 | MonMotha | you want the image I'm using? |
| 05:16.20 | MonMotha | has tinyx, ppp, and some other funs stuff |
| 05:16.27 | MonMotha | it's enough to boot and get a network connection and telnet to it |
| 05:17.13 | MonMotha | send mail if you would, I'm going to bed |
| 05:17.14 | MonMotha | ibot monmotha |
| 05:17.19 | | well, monmotha is mailto:zbazbgun@vaql.ee.pbz (un-ROT13) |
| 05:17.35 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: nah - I'm in active hack mode over here |
| 05:34.13 | CosmicPenguin | argh |
| 05:34.39 | CosmicPenguin | well, I guess I'll let this build over night |
| 05:35.53 | jacques | ? |
| 05:35.56 | jacques | overnight? |
| 05:36.51 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: I'm headed to bed |
| 05:37.04 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: this better work, otherwise I am phoneless |
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| 16:04.00 | SmithMatt | You guys know anything about the Toshiba Magnia SG20?? |
| 16:50.59 | pattieja | morning |
| 16:51.02 | pattieja | SmithMatt: :) |
| 16:51.08 | pattieja | you found it too? |
| 16:54.35 | pattieja | kergoth`bbl: how goes the ordering of your SG20? |
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| 16:57.57 | sieve | moanin' all. |
| 17:16.47 | CosmicPenguin | morning all |
| 17:30.27 | CosmicPenguin | grr... my local electronics place didn't have an MAX232 chip |
| 17:31.52 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: seen andersee? |
| 17:31.56 | | andersee <~andersen@codepoet.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #uclibc, 10h 44m 11s ago, saying: 'catch you in the morning'. |
| 17:32.09 | CosmicPenguin | damn damn |
| 17:35.36 | kergoth | hey |
| 17:42.58 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: morning |
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| 17:53.50 | CosmicPenguin | dammit - this thing is just borked |
| 17:57.31 | ade|desk | whats up ? |
| 18:00.05 | CosmicPenguin | the tuxscreen passes control to init and departs into nothing |
| 18:00.36 | CosmicPenguin | trying a buildroot from novemberish |
| 18:01.29 | signal11 | check your autoexec.bat |
| 18:01.56 | kergoth | yeah dont forget to set your FILES and BUFFERS ;) |
| 18:03.11 | ade|desk | lol .. been awhile since those days |
| 18:03.11 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: you've been playing with Visual C++ too much |
| 18:03.19 | signal11 | no doubt |
| 18:05.42 | CosmicPenguin | xdownload ramdisk |
| 18:05.43 | CosmicPenguin | flash ramdisk |
| 18:05.48 | CosmicPenguin | right? |
| 18:06.11 | CosmicPenguin | damn - that booted |
| 18:06.41 | CosmicPenguin | bah |
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| 19:21.05 | CosmicPenguin | Where is everyone today? |
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| 19:42.46 | Morn | hiding |
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| 19:52.32 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: you around? |
| 19:58.23 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: cramfs |
| 19:58.24 | | i guess cramfs is a read-only fs wiwth each page in each file individually compressed or workable over block devices. |
| 19:58.33 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: grub and cramfs |
| 19:58.33 | | CosmicPenguin: no idea |
| 19:58.39 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: russ |
| 19:58.40 | | russ is probably on crack |
| 19:58.58 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: I can't believe how incredibly helpful you are |
| 19:58.59 | | CosmicPenguin: are you using Windows? |
| 19:59.22 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: maybe - but at least I'm not a bastardized DOS TSR like you |
| 19:59.23 | | i haven't a clue, CosmicPenguin |
| 19:59.29 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: exactly my point |
| 19:59.30 | | CosmicPenguin: no idea |
| 20:18.33 | sieve | hehe |
| 20:50.11 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: ya? |
| 20:52.51 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: got an easy patch for the grub-cramfs patch? |
| 20:53.11 | Russ | don't think an easy one, they make it very difficult |
| 20:53.32 | Russ | any small change makes stuff diff uncleanly |
| 20:53.41 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I tried to just drop in fsys_cramfs.c, but it seems that I need the decompression code too, right? |
| 20:54.30 | Russ | ya, mini_inflate.c |
| 20:54.44 | Russ | they have zlib, but they don't have any clean entry points for deflate |
| 20:54.49 | Russ | er, mini_deflate.c |
| 20:55.36 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: where can I get that? |
| 20:56.29 | Russ | I should have posts to lists |
| 20:56.50 | CosmicPenguin | google--> Your search - mini_deflate.c - did not match any documents. |
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| 21:14.05 | Russ | google sucks for the grub lists |
| 21:14.16 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I agree. |
| 21:15.43 | Russ | they switched them around completely |
| 21:16.33 | Russ | http://mail.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=fsys_cramfs&submit=Search%21&idxname=bug-grub&max=10&result=normal&sort=score |
| 21:19.19 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Yeah, I found fsys_cramfs.c |
| 21:19.35 | CosmicPenguin | fsys_cramfs.c:25:26: mini_inflate.h: No such file or directory |
| 21:20.25 | Russ | http://russ.dhs.org:8000/load_kernel.html should have up to date stuff |
| 21:20.38 | Russ | actually, just pull it from blob cvs |
| 21:22.03 | CosmicPenguin | better to pull it from blob then? |
| 21:22.29 | Russ | ya |
| 21:30.24 | CosmicPenguin | fsys_cramfs.c:261: too many arguments to function `decompress_block' |
| 21:33.56 | signal11 | come on kasparov. |
| 21:34.02 | signal11 | check it out on espn2 |
| 21:34.34 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: what version? |
| 21:34.40 | CosmicPenguin | 0.93 |
| 21:35.02 | Russ | is that cvs? |
| 21:35.08 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, sorry... |
| 21:35.14 | CosmicPenguin | 1.2 cvs |
| 21:35.18 | CosmicPenguin | latest, according tocvs |
| 21:37.20 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: do you have a working grub tarball? |
| 21:38.00 | Russ | not up right now, but I can send you one |
| 21:38.05 | Russ | I need to turn on another machine |
| 21:38.22 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: take your time. I'll try to make a clean patch and post it somewhere |
| 21:42.40 | Russ | clean patches aren't possible with grub |
| 21:47.37 | Russ | they even go as far as to included generated files in CVS |
| 22:00.08 | CosmicPenguin | damn |
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| 22:20.28 | msowka | hello |
| 22:20.35 | CosmicPenguin | ello |
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| 22:30.22 | msowka | heheh it's crazy to see all sorts of variations of coding styles... |
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| 22:42.41 | CosmicPenguin | the poet awakes! |
| 22:46.29 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: nah, it's an illusion, go back to sleep ;) |
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| 22:55.07 | nelson | tuxphone question: where is it documented? |
| 22:55.38 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: it really isn't |
| 22:55.41 | CosmicPenguin | tuxphone.h |
| 22:55.51 | nelson | is there a client for it? |
| 22:55.57 | CosmicPenguin | multiple clients |
| 22:56.09 | nelson | where might I find one? |
| 22:56.21 | nelson | The wiki, nor tuxscreen.net are not helpful. |
| 22:56.38 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:57.06 | CosmicPenguin | the tuxphone had clients in the tarball |
| 22:57.12 | nelson | grovelling through the mailing list isn't much better. |
| 22:57.20 | nelson | source or .jffs2? |
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| 23:01.18 | nelson | CosmicPenguin: where might I get this tarball? |
| 23:02.39 | nelson | sigh. I wonder why tuxphone is passing binary data across sockets. |
| 23:02.39 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: the tuxphone code lives in the tuxscreen CVS |
| 23:02.52 | nelson | CosmicPenguin: I'm just downloading it.... |
| 23:03.02 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: why not? Thats the best way to do it |
| 23:04.30 | nelson | CosmicPenguin: endian problems. |
| 23:04.49 | nelson | CosmicPenguin: testing problems. |
| 23:04.54 | nelson | CosmicPenguin: debugging problems. |
| 23:06.33 | nelson | Cool. Just got dial to dial. Thanks for pointing me there, Cos! |
| 23:06.50 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: no problem |
| 23:16.11 | nelson | CosmicPenguin: hmmm... is the callerid code supposed to work? My callerid box got the callerid, but the tuxscreen didn't. |
| 23:16.54 | sorphin | nelson: would you be russ nelson? *grin* |
| 23:17.03 | nelson | sorphin: yup. |
| 23:17.27 | nelson | Hrm. My ZyXEL modem didn't get the callerid. Maybe I've got too many things listening for callerid on this line??? |
| 23:17.45 | sorphin | nelson: figured so.. welcome to the channel ;) :) |
| 23:17.45 | file | hehe |
| 23:17.58 | kergoth | heh. hey nelson |
| 23:18.14 | nelson | sorphin: thanks. I used to hang out on tuxscreen, but ... apparently it's a graveyard. |
| 23:18.20 | kergoth | nelson: heard anything from the dell folks re: linux on the axim recently? |
| 23:18.20 | nelson | kergoth: hey. |
| 23:18.23 | sorphin | nelson: yeah, tim moved us to here |
| 23:18.46 | nelson | kergoth: not too lately. He's mostly trying to figure out if he can get his bootloader to start up the linux kernel. |
| 23:19.05 | nelson | (in other words, he'd really prefer to use the existing Axim bootloader) |
| 23:19.10 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:19.27 | kergoth | wouldve been nicer if he just adds axim support to an open bootloader.. but ah well, i wont be picky |
| 23:19.29 | nelson | hell, wouldn't we all prefer not to have to reflash the bootloader?? |
| 23:19.31 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:19.41 | kergoth | not if it sucks. |
| 23:19.47 | kergoth | I have a zaurus with a functional angel |
| 23:19.51 | kergoth | and I plan on replacing it asap :) |
| 23:19.51 | sorphin | kergoth: details ;) |
| 23:19.54 | nelson | if it boots linux, it doesn't suck. :-) |
| 23:20.09 | nelson | kergoth: what's "angel"? |
| 23:20.12 | kergoth | bah. angel boots linux, but good luck changing the kernel params without a rebuild :) |
| 23:20.44 | sorphin | kergoth: heh, i was wondering the same thing |
| 23:20.50 | sorphin | wtf is angel? |
| 23:20.53 | sorphin | some OZ thing? |
| 23:21.07 | nelson | sorphin: sounds like the bootloader Sharp ships on the Zaurus. |
| 23:21.25 | sorphin | nelson: hmm.. i'll have to look at my Z |
| 23:22.07 | kergoth | nelson: angel, as in, the angel debug monitor that intel puts on their dev boards |
| 23:22.26 | sorphin | kergoth: talking about the newer Z that is XScale ? |
| 23:22.30 | kergoth | no. |
| 23:22.34 | kergoth | talking about the 5000d/5500 |
| 23:22.38 | sorphin | umm |
| 23:22.39 | nelson | kergoth: ahhh, I see. I think, then, that the Axim folx are not going to be happy. |
| 23:22.55 | kergoth | dunno what the axim folks are using :0 |
| 23:22.55 | kergoth | brb |
| 23:23.08 | nelson | kergoth: I think they don't know either. |
| 23:23.20 | sorphin | kergoth: hmm.. didn't know if the 5500 still had an "older" ARM or if it was the intel'd 1100 (or whatever) |
| 23:25.43 | kergoth | 5000d/5500 uses a sa1110 |
| 23:25.50 | kergoth | if thats what you mean |
| 23:26.03 | kergoth | I have the Z service manual here including schematics |
| 23:26.03 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:26.15 | kergoth | all under NDA of course, but hey |
| 23:26.45 | kergoth | so one of these days.. its blob/u-boot/bootldr for the Z |
| 23:26.49 | kergoth | if i ever have time |
| 23:26.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:27.02 | kergoth | course one problem is, sharp probably wont be unbricking ala CRL |
| 23:27.08 | kergoth | so I dunno how I'd handle that |
| 23:27.44 | sorphin | yeah |
| 23:28.06 | sorphin | not in a dev circle anyways |
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| 23:29.58 | sorphin | Morn: re |
| 23:30.07 | file | Payment Received: $479.40 |
| 23:30.19 | Morn | re's |
| 23:30.42 | sorphin | Morn: sup ? |
| 23:30.49 | Morn | not much |
| 23:30.49 | kergoth | hey morn |
| 23:30.51 | kergoth | file: nice |
| 23:30.58 | Morn | wishing there wasn't so much snow |
| 23:31.23 | file | kergoth: that was a credit for web hosting :) |
| 23:31.33 | sorphin | Morn: thankfully we didn't get much |
| 23:31.34 | file | kergoth: because I did the testing of their control panel software |
| 23:31.39 | sorphin | Morn: my gf got like 5-6 inches tho |
| 23:31.46 | kergoth | file: thats cool |
| 23:31.46 | Morn | we got about 7 |
| 23:31.51 | sorphin | she's 3 hours sw tho |
| 23:32.04 | file | 750MB of space... 20GB of bandwidth, $11.95/mth if anybody is interested |
| 23:32.11 | file | ;) |
| 23:32.18 | sorphin | Morn: ever get the chance to mail that dvd out? :) |
| 23:32.38 | sorphin | i just can't win ;p |
| 23:32.43 | Morn | it's ready, I just need to get to the post office |
| 23:32.54 | Morn | weird, all mine have worked well with it |
| 23:33.07 | Morn | aparently there is going to be a new release RSN |
| 23:33.12 | nelson | kergoth: been wondering.... Are the pins inside the battery door the jtag connectors? |
| 23:33.28 | nelson | kergoth: (on the Zaurus) |
| 23:33.41 | sorphin | Morn: every one of em, has atleast one noticeable mpeg glitch that may or may not affect the dvd player's followability |
| 23:33.56 | sorphin | Morn: which makes it intolerable |
| 23:34.12 | kergoth | nelson: nope |
| 23:34.20 | kergoth | nelson: much more convenient than that |
| 23:34.24 | kergoth | nelson: they're on the fuckign sharp i/o port |
| 23:34.38 | nelson | kergoth: oh, cute. So what are the battery door pins?? |
| 23:34.40 | kergoth | nelson: you could hack it right onto a Z cradle |
| 23:34.42 | kergoth | nelson: no idea |
| 23:35.18 | sorphin | kergoth: heh, i didn't see mention of jtag there, i only saw the serial port pins (on the cradle anyways) |
| 23:35.59 | kergoth | sorphin: and you wont. its not on th ecradle, you'd hack it, add a parallell connection on the cradle |
| 23:36.07 | kergoth | oughtta be a breeze, just havent had time to do it |
| 23:41.24 | sorphin | maybe if i get bored enough this weekend i'll pin it out |