| 00:10.02 | *** join/#elinux TomW (tom@24.229.145.19) |
| 00:10.11 | TomW | ibot seen MonMotha |
| 00:10.12 | | monmotha is currently on #elinux (19h 40m 5s) #handhelds.org (19h 40m 5s) #kiss (19h 40m 5s). Has said a total of 92 messages. Is idling for 1h 42m 46s |
| 00:10.20 | TomW | MonMotha: hello |
| 00:10.55 | sorphin | TomW: stay :P |
| 00:11.04 | TomW | wuff! |
| 00:11.14 | sorphin | TomW: guess what i did this past weekend ;p |
| 00:11.33 | TomW | dated a really fantastic looking babe? |
| 00:11.38 | sorphin | heh, i already do :P |
| 00:11.43 | TomW | heh |
| 00:11.44 | sorphin | TomW: bricked both webpals |
| 00:11.49 | TomW | lucky boy! |
| 00:11.59 | TomW | ouch, ouch! |
| 00:12.14 | sorphin | the magic words |
| 00:12.17 | sorphin | Checksum Error |
| 00:12.25 | TomW | looks like you need to get and adaptor together to re-flash them, eh? |
| 00:12.33 | TomW | s/and/an/ |
| 00:12.44 | sorphin | or another sim that i can do the gdb trick with possibly |
| 00:13.11 | *** join/#elinux GPSFan (~kenm@65.114.238.130) |
| 00:13.23 | sorphin | and its kens fault |
| 00:13.33 | TomW | I have a Needham Electronics EMP-30 that I use to burn stuff with. |
| 00:14.22 | TomW | http://www.needhams.com/e30.html |
| 00:16.13 | GPSFan | sorphin: it's all my fault... |
| 00:16.46 | GPSFan | TomW: I have an EMP-20.. |
| 00:17.23 | TomW | GPSFan: the only drawback with their stuff is that they ID the damned adaptors and refuse to work unless you use the correct one. |
| 00:17.54 | sorphin | TomW: monmotha's designed one |
| 00:18.01 | sorphin | or trying to |
| 00:18.02 | TomW | GPSFan: working with a PCB, you cannot put the DIP-48 adaptor in it and then wire a header to a SIMM socket to burn the devices on the PCB. |
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| 00:19.04 | sorphin | tomw, gpsfan: one thing we talked about is the fact the AMD chip can be protected just like the stuff in the tux |
| 00:19.05 | GPSFan | I have a collection of about 6 socket adapters I made myself for my emp20. must be a new feature. ;>) |
| 00:19.07 | sorphin | the prob would be doing so |
| 00:24.32 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I've got that log when you are ready |
| 00:24.57 | GPSFan | TomW: yeah, it looks like they are following in the steps of DataI/O, they discontinued the EMP-20, which was one of their best selling, most affordable units. The EMP30 looks nice, but is not as flexible as the EMP20. IMHO. |
| 00:36.08 | TomW | GPSFan: I just spoke with Alan over at Needham's Electronics. He said that he would send me a schematic for the TSOP-48 adaptor so I can jimmie the DIP-48 adaptor to jig up to a simm socket. |
| 00:36.52 | GPSFan | TomW: hey, real suppoet, that sounds good.. |
| 00:36.57 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:37.04 | TomW | GPSFan: I asked Alan about support for linux with their emp software. He said that he had a guy doing one with kylix, but the guy moved on to other stuff. |
| 00:37.06 | GPSFan | s/suppoet/support |
| 00:37.38 | TomW | GPSFan: Soooooooooo..... I told him I had Kylix 3 Pro and would be willing to sign a non-disclosure and see if I could finish it for him. |
| 00:38.21 | TomW | GPSFan: btw, if he goes for it, you know that I will correct the problem of using the DIP48 adaptor, right? :-D |
| 00:38.22 | GPSFan | TomW: I used to use an old compaq aero to run my EMP20, worked ok but swapped like mad under Win95 (4M dram 80M HDD 25MHz) |
| 00:38.32 | TomW | LOL |
| 00:38.50 | TomW | Thrashes so well it will wash clothing... |
| 00:38.56 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 00:39.00 | TomW | heh |
| 00:39.11 | sorphin | .... :P |
| 00:39.13 | TomW | Beat that hardrive to hell! |
| 00:40.20 | GPSFan | jjust to change windows took about 30 sec, but it would run for weeks without crashing, I had it hooked to a wireless network to transfer PROM files. |
| 00:46.33 | GPSFan | sorphin: have you tried dave's trick of swapping flash simms? although you need a working linux one to even try it. |
| 00:46.43 | sorphin | GPSFan: or rather |
| 00:46.50 | sorphin | GPSFan: a working gdb'able one |
| 00:47.01 | sorphin | i couldn't get a working linux up :P |
| 00:47.16 | sorphin | got the kernel booting and using the cramfs on the mtdblock |
| 00:47.51 | sorphin | but it wouldn't allow the busybox to do anything (seen that before :P ) and the kernels reject both my ne2k cards (2 diff makes) |
| 00:48.39 | sorphin | i thought of rigging something up but nothing else i have is 5v flash |
| 00:48.46 | GPSFan | hmm, I've only got one running, I was hoping to get s few more from dave's "big buy". I have a Halted Spec. card that works, only $5. |
| 00:50.11 | sorphin | dave hasn't gotten his "big buy" yet.. they haven't even charged his card yet |
| 00:50.21 | sorphin | he did offer to send a spare simm |
| 00:50.25 | GPSFan | sorphin: without SBHE, not to many 16bit nic's will work. my 3c509b's don't. |
| 00:50.30 | sorphin | but dunno when it'd get here |
| 00:50.37 | sorphin | GPSFan: umm |
| 00:50.46 | sorphin | GPSFan: these are ne2k cards |
| 00:51.03 | sorphin | 2 of them are Eagle/microdyne |
| 00:54.23 | TomW | GPSFan: cool, email sent. They also need someone to write assembler for the EMP-x products to program various devices. |
| 00:55.31 | TomW | MonMotha: you around? |
| 00:56.09 | TomW | Oh! Today is Wednesday! Time for Enterprise to come on TV! |
| 00:56.37 | GPSFan | yeah, do they use SBHE? |
| 00:56.38 | TomW | first time I will see a scheduled TV show when it is on in weeks! :-/ |
| 00:59.11 | GPSFan | sorphin: absc would save a whole lot if they promoted bimbo out of the shipping dept. |
| 00:59.35 | sorphin | GPSFan: save even more firing her |
| 01:00.01 | sorphin | GPSFan: i have no idea about the SBHE.. i doubt it.. |
| 01:00.02 | GPSFan | how true... |
| 01:00.04 | sorphin | GPSFan: wanna see the errors? |
| 01:00.25 | GPSFan | sure, |
| 01:01.15 | sorphin | grr.. no backscroll far enough.. hold on |
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| 01:02.57 | sorphin | GPSFan: mismatch read page pointers X vs Y |
| 01:02.59 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: just email them to spasm@asu.edu, I'll bbiaw |
| 01:03.34 | sorphin | GPSFan: tryin to find the others |
| 01:03.34 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: right |
| 01:03.36 | GPSFan | sorphin: is that during insmod? |
| 01:03.54 | sorphin | no insmod |
| 01:03.59 | sorphin | in kernel driver |
| 01:04.24 | sorphin | they're constant |
| 01:04.37 | sorphin | when trying to do anything involving ether traffic |
| 01:04.43 | sorphin | along with 2 other messages.. |
| 01:05.05 | sorphin | tx timeouts |
| 01:05.14 | GPSFan | what is the chip on the board. RTL8019AS? |
| 01:06.09 | sorphin | GPSFan: also Hw. addr read/write mismap |
| 01:06.53 | sorphin | the eagle one is just that, Eagle by Microdyne chip id: 632183905001mx |
| 01:07.19 | sorphin | the other card |
| 01:07.22 | MonMotha | TomW_gone: yes, I am |
| 01:07.23 | sorphin | has a davicom chip |
| 01:07.53 | GPSFan | yuck, davicom, isn't that what dave is going to call his nudie bar? |
| 01:08.31 | sorphin | davicom DM9008F |
| 01:09.00 | sorphin | GPSFan: all on 0x300 irq 3, Programmed IO |
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| 01:10.14 | GPSFan | sorphin: according http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=wpalgen&Post=63&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session= |
| 01:11.24 | GPSFan | cards with the RTL8019AS work, that is what is on the Halted Spec. card. the NE2000 spec seems to have a lot of "flexibility". |
| 01:13.16 | sorphin | well, i was trying to use cards i already have :P |
| 01:13.37 | sorphin | these eagle cards are supposed to be as close to a "real" 83902 as you can get |
| 01:14.22 | MonMotha | I have a couple RTL8019AS cards with jumpers that I'm using |
| 01:14.32 | MonMotha | dunno if they work yet, still don't actually hav elinux on it |
| 01:15.55 | GPSFan | sorphin: Davicon chip: http://www.davicom.com.tw/lan/dm9008.htm realtek chip: http://www.realtek.com.tw/products/products1-2.aspx?modelid=1 |
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| 01:16.26 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:16.27 | MonMotha | I think I may have an NE2k with a genuine 8390 laying around here somewhere... |
| 01:16.30 | MonMotha | shoudl go look |
| 01:16.36 | sorphin | MonMotha: i have a genuine 83902 chip :P |
| 01:16.49 | MonMotha | just the chip? |
| 01:17.00 | MonMotha | build an ethernet card on a protoboard! :) |
| 01:17.05 | sorphin | yeah, i bought the chip from pioneer (no, not the pioneer you think) |
| 01:17.17 | sorphin | they have hard to find chips |
| 01:17.47 | MonMotha | hum, what's their pricing like? there's a couple seemingly hard-to-find chips I'd like |
| 01:17.56 | salomon | Does any one know a place were i can buy a prototype Linux board chipper than the uCSimm? |
| 01:18.12 | MonMotha | what arch? |
| 01:18.16 | MonMotha | 68k? |
| 01:19.13 | TomW_gone | MonMotha: I will be back later, right now am watching Enterprise. See you at 9PM EST. |
| 01:19.19 | sorphin | MonMotha: don't remember this was a ways ways ways back |
| 01:19.26 | sorphin | MonMotha: hold |
| 01:19.28 | MonMotha | TomW_gone: ok, I should be on here at that time |
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| 01:20.22 | sorphin | MonMotha: it's pioneer standard electronics... www.mypioneer.com |
| 01:20.40 | salomon | Motorola DragonBall |
| 01:21.10 | MonMotha | salomon: nope, don't know any realkly then |
| 01:21.33 | MonMotha | what we've been doing in here mostly is finding old, defunct products and buying them up at insanely low prices and usign them as toys |
| 01:22.07 | salomon | linux toys? |
| 01:24.45 | MonMotha | sorphin: seems they don't have these...they're the UARTs mentioned on the beyond logic serial totourial |
| 01:25.04 | MonMotha | salomon: sure, we run linux on them (duh), I haven't seen any 68k based ones recently though (mostly ARM) |
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| 01:25.34 | salomon | So you ben creating ports for some microcontrollers? |
| 01:26.16 | MonMotha | we don't usually use uClinux as ARM procs (At least any semi-modern one) have an MMU, so normal linux can be run |
| 01:26.16 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:27.51 | salomon | I am knew in the embedded Micro linux. But not in the embedded world. If I want to lern how the embedded linux works what proto board do you recomend (no expensive)? |
| 01:30.34 | GPSFan | sorphin: Davicom schematic: http://www.davicom.com.tw/download/Application%20Circuit/dm9008/DM9008-Circuit-PDF.exe and datasheet: http://www.davicom.com.tw/download/Data%20Sheet/DM9008-DS-F02-113000s.pdf |
| 01:31.05 | MonMotha | salomon: proto boards tend to be expensive |
| 01:31.24 | sorphin | GPSFan: um.. what good is that gonna do me ? |
| 01:32.32 | salomon | What product board can I use as a Target insted. Like you say I don't want to pay mony for the VLSI and CAD work. I need a target |
| 01:33.17 | collord | The Moose is a cheap board |
| 01:33.19 | GPSFan | sorphin: well if you were a "real" hacker you could trace out enough of your card to see if it matches the schematic, and then go about debugging the driver based on the command set in the datasheet. |
| 01:33.42 | sorphin | GPSFan: heh |
| 01:33.50 | salomon | Were can I buy it? |
| 01:33.54 | sorphin | GPSFan: i guess i'm not a "real hacker" then :P i ahve better things to do |
| 01:33.57 | GPSFan | sorphin: forgot the ;>) |
| 01:34.21 | collord | salomon: http://www.uclinux.net/packinfo.php |
| 01:34.57 | GPSFan | sorphin: absolutely, I guess my point was that ted data is available and it could be done if that was the last nic on the planet. |
| 01:35.20 | salomon | $250 Euros :( |
| 01:35.53 | salomon | MonMotha: Is that the kind of board that you had in mine? |
| 01:36.52 | MonMotha | salomon: well, as I said...I've been mostly using ARM boards from old applications that you can now get for like $15 |
| 01:36.57 | MonMotha | I've got 4 webpals for example |
| 01:38.58 | salomon | what is that? |
| 01:39.49 | MonMotha | old set top appliance, ARM based |
| 01:40.09 | salomon | Where can I buy one? |
| 01:40.38 | MonMotha | ibot webpal |
| 01:40.43 | | hmm... webpal is a set top box appliance that can run Linux. see http://webpal.bigbrd.com/, or http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html, or only $13 + shipping!, or schematics are available from: http://www.geocities.com/webpalstuff/ |
| 01:40.49 | salomon | did you modify them in order to use them as a target? |
| 01:40.54 | MonMotha | not exactly great for prototyping hardware on tho |
| 01:40.56 | MonMotha | target? |
| 01:41.36 | MonMotha | if you want a real dev board, buy a real dev board, but it will cost you |
| 01:42.11 | salomon | No way JOSE |
| 01:42.33 | MonMotha | this thing's not a dev board |
| 01:42.35 | salomon | So they are god for what? |
| 01:42.43 | MonMotha | this is a device that just happens to run linux |
| 01:43.07 | MonMotha | if all you need is some physical silicon to test on, it could work, but it's certainly NOT a dev board |
| 01:43.42 | salomon | what eCos,uClinux, RTLinux |
| 01:43.56 | salomon | sorry |
| 01:44.13 | salomon | is it possible to run eCos,uClinux, RTLinux? |
| 01:44.25 | MonMotha | probably, but it can run "real" linux |
| 01:44.39 | MonMotha | as I said, it's not what you're looking for probably |
| 01:44.46 | MonMotha | however, you're trying to get something cheap that normally can't be had cheap |
| 01:45.10 | MonMotha | assabets are like $1000+ for example (intel dev board for the SA-1110) |
| 01:47.35 | salomon | Have you had the chance to play with the eCos,RTLinux? |
| 01:47.55 | MonMotha | nope |
| 01:48.04 | MonMotha | never had a need |
| 01:48.25 | file | I'm buying a new ADSL modem - I've had it with this POS! |
| 01:49.40 | salomon | those are for low end microcontrollers like 16bits |
| 01:52.21 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: Russ |
| 01:52.26 | | i guess russ is on crack |
| 01:52.39 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: do me a favor? |
| 01:55.53 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: yes? |
| 01:59.02 | TomW | MonMotha: ok, .. , we meet again. |
| 01:59.22 | MonMotha | hello TomW |
| 01:59.28 | TomW | heyh |
| 01:59.36 | TomW | s/heyh/hey/ |
| 02:00.00 | TomW | you had a question about doing SMT boards? |
| 02:00.15 | *** part/#elinux file (lan@mctn1-2968.nb.aliant.net) |
| 02:00.32 | TomW | is that a homebrew (etch it yourself) kind of board, or you going with a board house to build them? |
| 02:00.43 | MonMotha | yeah...I'm thinking of etching some boards, how well do SO-ICs fit if you do that? is can you get good enough tolerences? |
| 02:00.54 | MonMotha | heh, take off that is |
| 02:01.35 | TomW | you going to etch them yourself? |
| 02:02.15 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 02:02.32 | MonMotha | I wouldn't think of using anythign smaller than an SO-IC, but I'm wodnering if even that's too small |
| 02:02.50 | TomW | okay, it is problematic to do your own boards, SOIC is not too bad as the pin centers are only 0.050" |
| 02:03.02 | MonMotha | I can go with all through-hole components (might make my board design easier too, as vias are difficult to do with etched boards, no?) |
| 02:03.12 | MonMotha | but fo course my board will be like 5x the size jus from components :) |
| 02:03.48 | TomW | the problem, AYMK, is cleaning the board so that the resist stays put when you put the PCB in the warm etchant and won't wash off. |
| 02:04.05 | MonMotha | k |
| 02:05.17 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: can you look back in your buffer and give me the e-mail address Russ gave me? |
| 02:05.52 | MonMotha | not on my screen, btu I should have logs |
| 02:06.14 | TomW | Best way I have seen it done is with a photo-resist process. A friend of mine does them that way. Downside is the specialized chemical preparation of the PCB surface. Once he does that, then he simply prints the traces out on paper, places the printout face down on the board, then hits it with high intensity UV light to expose it. |
| 02:07.08 | MonMotha | spasm@asu.edu |
| 02:07.28 | TomW | ... then comes a developer / fixer wash (to wash off the stuff you don't covered with resist) and finally into the etchant. He gets very good results from that process. It is not cheap to do photo resist boards though. |
| 02:07.33 | MonMotha | TomW: there's a shop by me that sells pre-treated PCBs for photo resist etching |
| 02:07.40 | TomW | K |
| 02:07.59 | MonMotha | but yeah, not cheap (like $10 for a 6x8" board) |
| 02:08.10 | MonMotha | plus the other materials |
| 02:08.17 | TomW | You will need a Carbide drill to drill the fiberglass for stuff like resistor leads & vias. |
| 02:08.56 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 02:09.00 | TomW | High Carbon Steel drills are rapidly dulled by drilling fiberglass, fiberglass is very abrasive. |
| 02:09.24 | MonMotha | thing is board fab services are certainly not cheap either |
| 02:09.41 | TomW | The vias you will have to do by hand, poke a peice of wire through them and solder both sides, then clip off the excess. |
| 02:10.03 | TomW | MonMotha: did you check the prices at APCircuits.com? |
| 02:10.14 | TomW | http://apcircuits.com |
| 02:10.38 | TomW | their Proto one service is very cheap, they get the stuff back to you in 3 days. |
| 02:11.14 | TomW | No silk screen or solder mask, just a "down & dirty" two sided board. Drilled & Filled (vias that is). |
| 02:11.36 | MonMotha | not bad |
| 02:11.44 | TomW | They plate the vias & other holes with copper, then tin the entire board so it will take solder easily. |
| 02:12.12 | MonMotha | I know a guy around here that does small proto services (dunno if he does solder mask tho) for $100, but that includes designing the board for you |
| 02:12.25 | MonMotha | you hand him the schematic, you get a board a week later or so |
| 02:12.31 | TomW | their tolerances are 8 mil (0.008") spacing between any two elements (track-track, via-track, pad-pad, etc.) |
| 02:12.40 | MonMotha | nice little service, not cheap tho |
| 02:12.48 | MonMotha | not bad |
| 02:12.57 | TomW | NO, you hand them a Gerber and then you get a finished board back in three days. |
| 02:13.22 | MonMotha | that's what I'm saying, this guy's more expensive, but he'll design the board for you |
| 02:13.37 | MonMotha | that's about the cheapest I've seen for just manufacturing ($48) |
| 02:13.44 | MonMotha | er 46 |
| 02:13.58 | MonMotha | and I can make the board |
| 02:14.03 | TomW | Maybe it is time to learn about how to layout your own baord and do generate your own Gerber files??? |
| 02:14.39 | MonMotha | yeah, I can do that |
| 02:15.02 | MonMotha | just saying I happen to know this guy who will do th eboard design for you (which is pretty good for the $100 he charges, including the board) |
| 02:15.22 | TomW | you can get the Freebie for Eagle at http://www.cadsoft.de |
| 02:16.04 | TomW | that will allow you to make a 4" board, anything larger and you have to purchase their product. But 4" boards are pretty capable. |
| 02:17.41 | TomW | MonMotha: IMO, if you are an old guy and just want to fart around and have an occasional board made now & then, then you pay someone to make if for you. |
| 02:18.45 | TomW | MonMotha: but, if you are pretty "young" in your career, then learn how to layout & gerbar boards, it is well worth the effort as it empowers you to tackle larger, more complex stuff later on in your career. |
| 02:20.26 | MonMotha | oh definately |
| 02:21.06 | TomW | I fabricated my own PCBs for many years, got pretty good at laying out & etching my own boards. But, since the board houses are so cheap and do such a nice job, I just send them the gerbers and some money, then I don't stain my clothes / kitchen countertop from the Ferric Chloride solution. |
| 02:22.17 | *** part/#elinux salomon (~salomon@HSE-Toronto-ppp315673.sympatico.ca) |
| 02:23.14 | TomW | usually, stuff that runs off less than a 20MHz crystal can be layed out by anyone, as long as you follow some simple rules. Frequencies above that limit require more stringent attention to a lot more details, but the low speed stuff is pretty straight-forward. |
| 02:24.48 | TomW | MonMotha: but, then again, if all he wants is some pocket cash and charges you $100 to make you a board, then why not? |
| 02:25.35 | TomW | I can have two 4" X 6" boards made by APCircuits for $100 though. |
| 02:26.48 | TomW | MonMotha: or, I can spend about $280 at Advanced Circuits (http://4pcb.com) and get 10 boards made with silkscreen and a solder mask on them. |
| 02:27.59 | MonMotha | yeah, price per board seems to go WAAAY down once you get to about 10-20 boards |
| 02:28.10 | TomW | nice thing about gerbers, you can always change them to correct your mistakes, then later you can have more boards made and you will be confident of the same quality as last time (and the electrical wiring is okay). |
| 02:28.23 | MonMotha | I'm guessing the set-up time is pretty high compared to the actual manufacturing time |
| 02:28.40 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:28.42 | sorphin | you forget |
| 02:28.46 | TomW | Advanced Circuits does really really nice Prototype work for low bucks. I am very happy with them. |
| 02:28.54 | sorphin | 4pcb has that "first 3 boards free" or whatever |
| 02:29.08 | TomW | sorphin: interesting |
| 02:29.18 | MonMotha | interesting |
| 02:29.29 | MonMotha | the first hit's free |
| 02:29.49 | sorphin | yup |
| 02:30.04 | TomW | sorphin: they also have a $99 deal where they will make you a board about 4" x 6", SMT if you like, no silk or solder mask. It is a down & dirty quickie test board proto thingy. |
| 02:30.16 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:31.32 | TomW | so, if you want to see what mistakes you have made on your board BEFORE you get the really nice prototypes made, you can use their quickie board services. Kind of like what APCircuits does, but somewhat cheaper & better quality, much better quality! |
| 02:32.37 | TomW | for larger quantities of bare-bones boards (no silk / soldermask), then APCircuits is cheaper. |
| 02:33.53 | TomW | What I like to do is use Advanced for my customer protos, I have even specified gold plating (molecular flash plating) on edge connectors. |
| 02:34.56 | TomW | Then the customers feel warm & fuzzy handling a quality board, makes me look good to them, more professinal and I don't spend a lot of money to have them done. |
| 02:35.21 | TomW | ok, enough of the hard-sell.. ;) |
| 02:36.14 | TomW | MonMotha: of course, there is always "dead bug" prototyping... http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/deadbug/deadbug.htm |
| 02:37.47 | TomW | MonMotha: then there is always plain old perf board... |
| 02:39.11 | MonMotha | yes, or I'm a fan of those pre-made proto boards |
| 02:39.24 | MonMotha | with the DIP space down the middle and rows of holes on either side, connected vertically |
| 02:39.25 | MonMotha | just wire it up |
| 02:39.29 | MonMotha | works well for simple stuff |
| 02:39.40 | MonMotha | basically mimicks the plug-in proto boards, but is soldered |
| 02:44.11 | prh | yah! got swap on nfs working on tux |
| 02:45.13 | TomW | nice to be receiving spam again! |
| 02:47.27 | TomW | MonMotha: I use perf board a lot, then when I have to tack on the occasional SMT device, I use the "dead bug" approach, glue the part on the board, then wire it into my circuit using 30ga wire wrap wire. Point-to-point wiring is quick as you don't have to wait 3 days for a board, or have to spend time doing the PCB layout & gerber file generation. |
| 02:48.22 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 02:48.35 | MonMotha | btw, any suggesstiosn for DESOLDERING SMT devices? |
| 02:48.41 | TomW | MonMotha: you can point-to-point wire the SOIC stuff (0.050" pin centers) pretty easy. It is the 0.020" fine pitch leads that are a bitch to work with. |
| 02:48.59 | TomW | MonMotha: basically an X-acto knife. |
| 02:48.59 | MonMotha | well, I cna do the small QFPs if I really have to... |
| 02:49.07 | MonMotha | http://www.perscorpserv.com/~monmotha/s3500010.jpg |
| 02:49.34 | MonMotha | TomW: I've never manged to do it (my objective is to keep the leads in-tact, so I can use the part, yes I'm cheap and have too much time on my hands :) |
| 02:49.50 | TomW | MonMotha: simply cut the leads off the device at the "shoulder" and then "wipe" the pads clean of the leads with a hot iron and follow it up with solder wick. |
| 02:50.20 | TomW | MonMotha: I have successfully desoldered SOIC DIP parts and salvaged them. |
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| 02:51.38 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 02:52.05 | TomW | you first use solder wick to suck the solder off the pads and out from between the joints. Then use the X-acto knife to slip it under the device and exert a gentle upward pressure. Then heat any leads up with a dry iron to free them from their pads. |
| 02:53.20 | TomW | thing you have to keep in mind: you can salvage either the PCB or the DEVICE, never both. Murphey's Law states that you will fuck up one or the other if you try to save them both! |
| 02:54.08 | as_ | Crikey, someone wanting to replace TSOPs? |
| 02:54.17 | TomW | TSSOP devices with pins on all four sides are next to impossible to salvage! |
| 02:54.49 | TomW | TSSOP devices with pins on only two sides can be salvaged if you go slowly. |
| 02:55.24 | TomW | MonMotha: like the 29F800 parts on the webpal simms, they can be de-soldered. |
| 02:56.12 | TomW | I have even heard of people salvaging 'J' leaded SOIC devices! |
| 02:56.28 | as_ | Tom, do you put much faith in people suggesting unregulated heat guns for SMT replacements? |
| 02:57.30 | TomW | they will desolder by sucking the pads dry with solder wick, then slip the sharp edge of the X-acto knife into the joint between the lead & pad to break the pin loose from the minimal solder left in the joint. |
| 02:58.12 | TomW | as_: if you want to de-laminate the fiberglass PCB, sure, go ahead. |
| 02:58.21 | MonMotha | I've found that I can sometimes take a hot iron and bend the pin up while the solder is melted, disconnecting it from the board |
| 02:58.21 | MonMotha | I rip off a few pads that way tho |
| 02:58.56 | as_ | Ive ripped a few pads when I'm soldering SMT, let alone when I'm desoldering. |
| 02:59.01 | TomW | MonMotha: yeah, well, try the solder wick & X-acto approach next time, it is a good technique to use |
| 02:59.57 | as_ | How likley is the chip likley to suffer heat damage? |
| 03:00.02 | TomW | as_: soldering is easy, simply "flood" solder the device, then use the END of the solder wick to pull out the excess solder off the pads & from between the pads. |
| 03:00.55 | as_ | That sounds like a good method. |
| 03:00.55 | TomW | as_: ICs have a storage temp of 150 degrees Celsius, you exceed that when desoldering then you will "cook" the silicon into uselessness. |
| 03:01.23 | TomW | Only way to salvage them is with solderwick. |
| 03:01.50 | as_ | I found my devices get very how with a solder wick. |
| 03:01.52 | as_ | Hot. |
| 03:02.31 | as_ | Ive heard of very low temperature melting alloys that can be used to desolder componants. |
| 03:02.48 | TomW | as_: like I said earlier, if you only want to replace the IC and are concerned with protecting the PCB, then cut the leads off the device at the shoulders of the part using an X-acto knife (gentle downward shearing motion) and wipe the pads clean of the leads using an iron. |
| 03:02.54 | as_ | Melts at 60C or so and the solder joint 'dissolves' in it. |
| 03:03.37 | as_ | Makes me wonder if there is an alloy that mets at say 100C that will so the soldering job. |
| 03:04.28 | TomW | as_: I have some of that stuff, but you need a pre-heater to heat the board up to a controlled temperature to successfully use it. A hair dryer is very uncontrolled heating and you could damage adjacent componets from the heat. Also, is is sometimes a bitch to get that low temp allow off the PCB after you are done. |
| 03:04.32 | as_ | I would like to try a design that uses TSOPs, but I cant etch that small enough anyway. |
| 03:04.53 | TomW | as_: http://www.4pcb.com |
| 03:05.14 | as_ | Its probably an indium bismuth cadmium based alloy. |
| 03:06.02 | TomW | I've got to take a bill to the postoffice. see you all in the funny papers. |
| 03:06.14 | as_ | L8r Tom. |
| 04:22.10 | CosmicPenguin | anyone awake? |
| 04:38.06 | as_ | Only just. |
| 04:45.56 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: where you be man? |
| 04:53.30 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: hmm? |
| 05:01.21 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: what do you use to create VCDs under linux? |
| 05:12.54 | CosmicPenguin | nm |
| 05:28.09 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: there's a few diff things.. never actually done any vcds tho.. too low quality |
| 05:35.32 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: well, lad-de-dah... |
| 05:35.41 | CosmicPenguin | :P |
| 05:35.53 | CosmicPenguin | I just needed a quick MPEG-I medium |
| 06:23.09 | sorphin | heh, just found a post on linux-hacker, guy claimed that boards w/ the 665 didn't need the pin lifted for the IDE to work on any of the boards he's tried.. heh |
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| 06:45.47 | jacques_gone | sorphin: I IM'd a guy on dslreports last night and he raised me to 768 down! |
| 06:54.35 | sorphin | jacques_gone: cool |
| 06:54.40 | sorphin | jacques_gone: you musta been capped |
| 07:01.27 | jacques_gone | sorphin: yeah when I first got the service the line could only support 384 |
| 07:01.53 | jacques_gone | then they conditioned it about three times over 6 months or so |
| 07:30.07 | sorphin | nod |
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| 10:24.52 | bytemark | what about the samsung N400? |
| 10:25.13 | bytemark | how can I h4X0r one of these fella's |
| 10:34.12 | fontenot | anyone know what UPnP is in the context of soho gateways? |
| 10:48.10 | bytemark | xp |
| 10:48.18 | bytemark | universal plug n play |
| 10:48.26 | bytemark | there are some exploits for it |
| 10:48.40 | bytemark | you want to use it over the Inet? |
| 10:48.51 | bytemark | block it, I say |
| 10:48.56 | fontenot | I think I dont want to use it at all |
| 10:49.07 | fontenot | I upgraded firmware in my router and now it has it |
| 10:49.14 | bytemark | yeah, turn that criznap off |
| 10:49.26 | bytemark | yeah, just keep it closed |
| 10:49.32 | bytemark | you prolly don't want/needit |
| 10:49.49 | bytemark | what port? |
| 10:50.15 | bytemark | you mean the router says it has a service called UPnP? |
| 10:51.12 | bytemark | I see nothing in /etc/services talking about UPnP |
| 10:51.37 | fontenot | the router now has a feature called UPnP |
| 10:51.48 | fontenot | something to do with port forwarding |
| 10:52.18 | bytemark | oh |
| 10:52.26 | bytemark | well, I was way off then |
| 10:52.28 | bytemark | lol |
| 10:52.29 | fontenot | it now has "port range forwarding" "port triggering" and "UPnP forwarding" |
| 10:54.47 | fontenot | naturally the linksys support manual download makes no mention of it |
| 10:54.49 | bytemark | http://hometoys.com/htinews/aug01/articles/microsoft/upnp.htm |
| 10:55.01 | bytemark | apparently that is what they call NAT in _that_ market |
| 10:55.16 | fontenot | LOL |
| 10:55.27 | fontenot | I love it when MS says things like this "builds on Internet standards and technologies," |
| 10:55.32 | bytemark | looks like that is all it is |
| 10:55.38 | bytemark | heh |
| 10:55.44 | bytemark | silly billy |
| 10:55.56 | bytemark | what router is it? |
| 10:56.10 | bytemark | did it not do NAT before? |
| 10:56.13 | fontenot | linksys BEFSR81 |
| 10:56.30 | fontenot | yeah it did it before just not the UPnP option |
| 10:57.04 | fontenot | I should have upgraded the firmware a long time ago - now it finally is mostly usable using a linux browser |
| 10:57.30 | fontenot | before it always had broken imagemaps which was a severe pain |
| 10:57.48 | fontenot | I think it cant handle multiple simultaneous connections to its internal web server or something |
| 10:58.00 | fontenot | whatever the problem is, IE on windows does not experience it |
| 10:58.11 | fontenot | but netscape, mozilla, and galeon on linux do |
| 10:58.30 | fontenot | in the new firmware they simply got rid of the imagemaps and have text links instead |
| 10:58.42 | bytemark | hrm. |
| 10:58.59 | bytemark | at leat it works for you now. |
| 10:59.26 | fontenot | wel we'll see - I took this opportunity to upgrade the firware because my dsl service is down for maintenance |
| 10:59.33 | fontenot | I am on a backup connection right now |
| 11:00.04 | bytemark | good luck |
| 11:00.10 | fontenot | thanks |
| 11:00.18 | fontenot | later |
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| 11:29.46 | fontenot | my fileshack download is going to start in "approximately 29.565217391304 seconds" |
| 11:30.12 | fontenot | now is says "Hey you are next! Just a minute or so..." |
| 11:30.19 | fontenot | some ppl have strange ideas about time |
| 11:30.29 | fontenot | and I'm not just talking about that timecube guy |
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| 12:11.46 | fontenot | ibot: test |
| 12:11.46 | | KICK doughecka |
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| 15:09.51 | sieve | good morning all |
| 15:11.18 | sorphin | sieve: there is no such thing as a "good" morning |
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| 15:14.53 | CosmicPenguin | Hello |
| 15:15.00 | sorphin | TomW: wake up ya old geezer ;p |
| 15:15.01 | TomW | morning |
| 15:15.16 | CosmicPenguin | uhhh.... |
| 15:16.01 | TomW | heh, what is ifnet? |
| 15:16.10 | TomW | s/ifnet/efnet/ |
| 15:16.30 | sorphin | TomW: a lame irc network |
| 15:16.38 | TomW | ok |
| 15:17.15 | TomW | I am wondering if I should work on the webpal today or the Tux |
| 15:17.32 | sorphin | webpal ;p |
| 15:17.37 | TomW | heh |
| 15:17.57 | TomW | You need some more success stories abt the webpal, eh? |
| 15:18.58 | sorphin | i need a root sys that is worth a damn ;p the one that i have that is part of that linux.image or whatever, has a b0rked busybox (same prob i've ran into before too), it starts the ash, and then no commands are foun |
| 15:19.36 | TomW | ah, I am not even thinking of doing the serial port upgrade of the Flash. just thinking about how / what I will use to program that SIMM card with the linux image... Maybe I should take a look at the blob sources? |
| 15:19.55 | TomW | stick a blob loader onto the Flash first? |
| 15:20.54 | TomW | I need to get one of these things running under linux so I can throw together an email system for my Mom. She will retire next month and has no home computer (nor desire for one). |
| 15:21.23 | TomW | She loves to do email though. |
| 15:22.30 | TomW | IIRC, there is only a little portion of the blob source that is written in ARM assembler and that part deals with cranking up the DRAMs etc. |
| 15:26.29 | TomW | WHOA! That new router they put into service here a few days ago on the cable modem network really flies!!! |
| 15:26.51 | TomW | 100KB+ transfers! |
| 15:27.14 | TomW | s:KB:KB/s: |
| 15:33.55 | sorphin | TomW: you still have to have something to program the thing :P |
| 15:33.57 | sorphin | which means |
| 15:34.10 | sorphin | serial port or your external programmer |
| 15:34.36 | TomW | not a big deal to program it, there are ways to do it. I have been messing with sector'ed Flash for many years now. |
| 15:34.45 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:34.56 | TomW | lots of controllers laying around here... |
| 15:35.12 | sorphin | it is for me when it's on a diff pinned simm :P |
| 15:35.26 | sorphin | that is 5v, so i can't rig it up to anything else |
| 15:35.49 | TomW | I'm just looking over the blob stuff to see if I need to modify the algorythim for the 29F800 vs 29LV160 chips. |
| 15:36.08 | sorphin | i looked at the 29F commandset |
| 15:36.14 | sorphin | nasty |
| 15:36.17 | TomW | the same? |
| 15:36.19 | sorphin | as is the intel 28 one |
| 15:36.34 | sorphin | gimme the Atmel/SST commandset |
| 15:36.37 | TomW | ah, I have worked with the 28Fxxx Intel stuff. |
| 15:36.40 | sorphin | nice and easy and *readable* |
| 15:36.59 | TomW | I have some C code to deal with 28Fxxx. |
| 15:37.02 | sorphin | TomW: heh, i have a cisco flash simm here w/ 4M (4x1M) |
| 15:37.12 | sorphin | i was thinking about stealing one of the chips |
| 15:37.28 | sorphin | but it'd be too much of a pain to transplant it for the webpal, seeing as it's not 48 pin ;p |
| 15:37.41 | sorphin | and so not same lines |
| 15:37.42 | TomW | I think I will stick a 16Meg CF device inside the webpal, I have a bunch of those on hand right now. |
| 15:38.56 | TomW | put a 16Meg DRAM into it, load the file system onto a RAM disk and use the CF to hold the O/S. Wonder how much trouble it would be to get PicoGui or nano-x working on it? |
| 15:39.14 | sorphin | dunno |
| 15:39.23 | sorphin | what i'd like it to just have hte bootloader on the simm |
| 15:39.31 | sorphin | so that i wouldn't be at risk of bricking again ;p |
| 15:39.35 | sorphin | once i get this fixed |
| 15:39.36 | scanline | what's the video interface on the webpal like? |
| 15:40.03 | TomW | scanline: hi Mica |
| 15:40.13 | scanline | Micah :) |
| 15:40.17 | TomW | scanline: the thing is a 640x480 vga |
| 15:40.17 | scanline | hi Tom |
| 15:40.36 | scanline | any YUV overlay hardware? |
| 15:41.05 | TomW | scanline: fonts have to be huge as it doesn't have the same image quailty as a monitor when viewed on the TV set. |
| 15:41.15 | TomW | YUV? |
| 15:41.32 | sorphin | scanline: uses a crontel chip |
| 15:41.38 | TomW | yeah |
| 15:41.44 | scanline | since it's a set-top box, figured it would be able to overlay video on top of its signal and vice versa |
| 15:42.03 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: It should, but this is fairly old and cheap hardware |
| 15:42.13 | scanline | sorphin: heard of those, but not familiar with what they can do.. I'll RTFM on them later |
| 15:42.16 | TomW | scanline: the ARM process has a killer LCD controller built in and it also has the monitor output sigs (RGB + syncs). |
| 15:42.41 | sorphin | scanline: they're able to get nice a hot and toasty ;) |
| 15:42.52 | scanline | I've done some nasty things with LCD controllers before :) |
| 15:43.17 | sorphin | scanline: it currently runs you at 640x480@8bit i think |
| 15:44.07 | sorphin | scanline: correction, Cromtel not crontel |
| 15:44.16 | sorphin | Cromtel CH9294 |
| 15:44.28 | sorphin | ok |
| 15:44.30 | sorphin | dammit |
| 15:44.53 | scanline | chrontel? |
| 15:44.58 | sorphin | yeah |
| 15:44.59 | sorphin | them |
| 15:45.44 | sorphin | Chrontel 7001A |
| 15:45.47 | sorphin | that's it |
| 15:47.16 | scanline | ah.. so no interesting video overlay hardware, just a pure TV out.. |
| 15:47.27 | scanline | what's the point of that, if this was supposed to be a set-top box? |
| 15:47.27 | TomW | sorphin: I am thinking of not putting linux into the Flash chips, but putting the cf_bootloader I put together for one of my 68K systems. Use that to init the CF drive and pull linux in off the CF device. That way I can update vi an ethernet / ppp connection to change the kernel etc. |
| 15:47.29 | sorphin | TomW: btw.. you didn't see my ocmment last night late |
| 15:48.11 | sorphin | TomW: found a post on linux-hacker, guy claimed that boards w/ the 665 didn't need the pin lifted for the IDE to work on any of the boards he's tried.. |
| 15:48.18 | TomW | naw, I was basking in the glow of finally having my server back online after they renumber the network the day before and didn't tell me that my static IP would disappear! |
| 15:48.35 | TomW | sorphin: yeah, I saw that too. |
| 15:49.01 | sorphin | i already lifted mine |
| 15:49.02 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:50.25 | TomW | I'll wait until I hear from Needham Electronics, they said they would send the schematic for one of their device adaptors so I can use my EMP-30 programmer to program the Flash SIMM. |
| 15:51.18 | TomW | then I won't have to deal with writing code or hacking together a programmer for the card. |
| 15:51.24 | sorphin | TomW: where you live again ?:P |
| 15:51.29 | TomW | PA |
| 15:51.48 | sorphin | k |
| 15:51.58 | TomW | in the beautiful Pocono Mountains of Northeastern Pennsylvania |
| 15:52.28 | TomW | ... looking out my window all I see is white snow and brown trees... |
| 15:52.39 | sorphin | how.. ugly |
| 15:52.53 | TomW | yeah, I am getting tired of the color "white". |
| 15:53.05 | sorphin | i've been tired of it |
| 15:53.23 | sorphin | TomW: i think all snow needs to be routed to TX and to SLC |
| 15:54.09 | TomW | sorphin: where you at? |
| 15:54.28 | sorphin | st louis |
| 15:54.56 | TomW | ooh, that's nice: lots of flat grassland.. boring terrain features. |
| 15:55.06 | sorphin | eh |
| 15:55.12 | sorphin | no flat grassland here |
| 15:55.13 | sorphin | :P |
| 15:55.29 | sorphin | hell, hard to even find a nice dark spot to stargaze |
| 15:55.42 | TomW | well, it certainly has been a lot of years since I went through that area on my way West. |
| 15:55.49 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:56.18 | TomW | All I recall of St Louis was a maze of highway over passes. |
| 15:56.40 | sorphin | i don't live down\town ;p |
| 15:56.47 | sorphin | i'm off in a suburb |
| 16:01.58 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone wanna admit to being a JFFS2 guru? |
| 16:14.52 | sorphin | dunno if anyone saw this on the 12th |
| 16:14.54 | sorphin | Software/Hardware FPGA Dev Board that runs Linux |
| 16:27.05 | scanline | the Virtex II-pro board? |
| 16:27.35 | scanline | It's cool hardware, but it's been around for a while... I think someone just booted linux on it so they could get slashdotted |
| 16:27.59 | scanline | linux isn't running in the FPGA, it's one (expensive) chip with a big FPGA and a PPC core |
| 16:28.47 | Lethal | last year they were doing smp ppc in the same fpga, at least that was kind of cute. |
| 16:28.53 | Lethal | though not overly exciting |
| 16:29.08 | scanline | hehe, single-chip SMP |
| 16:29.12 | scanline | that is cute |
| 16:29.17 | Lethal | nothing new |
| 16:30.02 | scanline | If only I could afford such chips... |
| 16:30.26 | scanline | I have a Spartan II dev board.. cost about $250. The chip itself is $10 in large quantities, but they're impossible to get a hold of in low quantities |
| 16:58.46 | CosmicPenguin | We need a new rule for our embedded apps - you shouldn't be allowed to submit a patch adding something unless you also submit a patch that reduces the size somehow |
| 17:31.11 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: or just make everything optional at compile-time :) |
| 17:33.58 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: Thats actually what I'm trying to move away from in Microwindows |
| 17:34.08 | scanline | why? |
| 17:34.21 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: why should I have to recompile if I want the X11 driver window to be 240x320 instead of 640x480? |
| 17:34.35 | scanline | oh.. well that sort of thing is just silly |
| 17:34.55 | scanline | but drivers, widgets, and other major features should be compile-time |
| 17:35.21 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: oh, yeah... I agree |
| 17:35.39 | CosmicPenguin | I just saved 4k... :) |
| 17:35.45 | scanline | :) |
| 17:36.12 | scanline | Actually, in the very early days you had to recompile picogui to change the resolution |
| 17:36.29 | scanline | all the different video drivers were just separate files with the same interface, that it would pick between at compile-time |
| 18:04.59 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,887381,00.asp |
| 18:05.22 | CosmicPenguin | They're using MontaVista code... I thought Motorola purchased Lineo? Why not Embeddix? |
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| 18:15.12 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - that was freaky |
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| 18:16.44 | CosmicPenguin | Its like we just had a massive power surge here |
| 18:18.16 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - looks like Murray is still out |
| 18:20.47 | levi__ | I just lost power for a bit, too. Thank goodness for UPS. |
| 18:20.55 | CosmicPenguin | Channel 2 and 8 and radio stations are out right now |
| 18:21.47 | CosmicPenguin | Lindon got hit too |
| 18:37.44 | CosmicPenguin | levi: are you at work? |
| 18:42.01 | levi | Yup. |
| 18:43.07 | CosmicPenguin | you guys on generator power? |
| 18:43.23 | CosmicPenguin | It sounds like something blew at the generator station down there |
| 18:50.01 | levi | We don't have a generator, AFAIK. I was on UPS power for about half a minute, but then the power came back. |
| 18:51.43 | CosmicPenguin | weird |
| 18:54.10 | levi | I'm not sure exactly where our power comes from. We're located on the edge of Sandy, though. |
| 18:56.47 | CosmicPenguin | Heh.... utah power says a dump truck hit a power pole, and it knocked out half the valley |
| 18:58.15 | sorphin | musta been a high tension tower :P |
| 19:01.57 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: Its nice to know that our power grid is so stable and redundant, huh? |
| 19:14.31 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: indeed |
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| 19:45.01 | *** join/#elinux file (lan@mctn1-0450.nb.aliant.net) |
| 19:52.24 | TheMasterMind1 | whats new in webpalland |
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| 19:57.39 | *** join/#elinux sjhill (~NOYB@65.117.135.105) |
| 19:58.04 | file | mmm |
| 19:58.18 | sorphin | ibot: lart sjhill |
| 19:58.28 | sjhill | gaaah |
| 20:04.25 | *** join/#elinux mallum (~mallum@pc-80-193-218-21-hw.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 20:07.25 | file | hi mallum and sjhill |
| 20:07.33 | sjhill | lo' file |
| 20:07.41 | mallum | hey |
| 20:12.25 | *** join/#elinux ynk (stephan@new.m00n.la) |
| 20:12.26 | ynk | hi |
| 20:12.58 | ynk | is there any possibility to have a linux kernel run without the existance of any 'real' RAM? only using linux swap? guess it wont work, but... :( |
| 20:14.20 | sjhill | kids these days....geesh |
| 20:15.12 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:15.23 | ynk | :/ |
| 20:15.45 | sorphin | ynk: um.. you'd be nuts to try |
| 20:15.59 | ynk | sorphin: wont try....wont work ;) |
| 20:16.08 | sorphin | good :P |
| 20:16.15 | ynk | but...got no idea where to get a cheap used small ramstick from |
| 20:16.25 | sorphin | that's like saying sjhill will ever not be a mips whore |
| 20:16.25 | ynk | need to call a mate.....doubt he got spare ones, but.... |
| 20:16.31 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:16.35 | sorphin | 72 pin or ? |
| 20:16.54 | ynk | *shrug* i know it's a shame, but i never messed with RAM stuff ;) |
| 20:17.52 | ynk | i just guess the old one from that white socket i found...wont fit.... |
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| 20:32.45 | *** mode/#eLinux [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 20:36.09 | sorphin | TimRiker: allo tim |
| 21:04.01 | Russ | penguin_at_lunch: try sending that again |
| 21:04.54 | MonMotha | ynk: what's the swap subsystem going to run in? swap? :) |
| 21:06.28 | sorphin | MonMotha: air, didn't you know? |
| 21:08.00 | MonMotha | heh |
| 21:14.01 | ynk | air sounds like a perfect solution :P |
| 21:14.28 | sorphin | :P |
| 21:14.56 | ynk | i wish i could afford some of it. |
| 21:14.57 | ynk | :D |
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| 21:43.05 | ynk | can i define events somehow that execute "poweroff" whenever the power button was pressed etc? |
| 22:12.55 | *** part/#elinux sjhill (~NOYB@65.117.135.105) |
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| 22:16.56 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: power back on at censoft? |
| 22:18.25 | signal11 | finally |
| 22:18.33 | signal11 | that was a good 3 hours |
| 22:18.39 | signal11 | killed my 450 day uptime damn it!!!!!! |
| 22:18.43 | signal11 | grrr |
| 22:18.55 | CosmicPenguin | all the UPS drained? |
| 22:19.00 | sorphin | signal11: you need a better UPS + a generator :P |
| 22:19.08 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: it was off a while |
| 22:19.12 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so? |
| 22:19.21 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: that's why i mentioned a generator ;p |
| 22:19.24 | signal11 | a generator would be cool |
| 22:19.31 | sorphin | we have a big diesel one outside |
| 22:20.11 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: you see that Widespread is coming to Red Rocks May 27 - 29? |
| 22:24.09 | signal11 | cool |
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| 22:38.12 | fontenot | ibot: test |
| 22:38.12 | | KICK doughecka |
| 22:39.07 | sorphin | umm |
| 22:39.15 | fontenot | ? |
| 22:39.17 | sorphin | ~lart fontenot |
| 22:39.29 | fontenot | aaaaahhhhhh!! |
| 22:40.47 | fontenot | is that a potential exploit? |
| 22:41.02 | fontenot | could someone teach ibot tricks and use his op status? |
| 22:41.32 | MonMotha6 | I don't think getting him to set modes is easy |
| 22:42.07 | fontenot | how about getting him to kci ppl? |
| 22:42.09 | fontenot | kick |
| 22:50.02 | CosmicPenguin | fontenot: are you kidding? |
| 22:53.50 | fontenot | no. I dont know what security features he has |
| 22:54.15 | CosmicPenguin | fontenot: what do you suppose he could do to you? |
| 22:54.20 | fontenot | oooh I guess you cant teach him to do commands? |
| 22:54.35 | CosmicPenguin | even if you could? |
| 22:55.01 | fontenot | ibot shows up as an op to me |
| 22:55.02 | | fontenot: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 22:59.57 | *** part/#elinux ynk (stephan@new.m00n.la) |
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| 23:42.53 | sorphin | ibot: kick fontenot |
| 23:42.54 | | sorphin: I wish you would RTFM. |
