| 00:05.25 | sorphin | um... right |
| 00:07.09 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: ah, come on.. that was funny |
| 00:10.23 | Russ | this is really frustrating |
| 00:10.34 | Russ | printing the test page from the cups web admin works |
| 00:10.49 | Russ | but printing anything with lp, lpr, or gtklp comes out garbled |
| 00:15.07 | sorphin | Russ: heh, i had real fun printing anything non text on my printer, till i got ghostscript+some other stuff set up |
| 00:15.26 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i only saw the chouimat side of it, and that wasn't funny at all |
| 00:16.26 | Russ | it worked great for a while |
| 00:16.30 | Russ | network and all |
| 00:16.54 | chouimat | sorphin: huh? |
| 00:18.04 | sorphin | Russ: hmm |
| 00:18.15 | sorphin | chouimat: your out burst before your reboot :P |
| 00:18.28 | chouimat | sorphin: about what? |
| 00:18.47 | sorphin | whatever the heck you were on about with file |
| 00:20.25 | chouimat | sorphin: ok :P |
| 00:21.03 | sorphin | anyways |
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| 00:59.39 | andersee | TiMrIkEr: 3133t |
| 00:59.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:59.48 | kergoth | TiMrIkEr: bored? |
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| 02:07.05 | er0k | yo, people. ever heard of bytekill.net? dude.. for less lame shit come to irc.bytekill.net to talk, they dont just sit around idling on a huge boring server, they have a communitive, small one that will grow and become more and more reliable for the users. |
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| 02:07.45 | CosmicPenguin | communitive? |
| 02:07.47 | chouimat | huh? |
| 02:07.52 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: spell communitive |
| 02:07.53 | | possible spellings for communitive: comm unitive comm-unitive communities communicative commutative community cognitive communistic |
| 02:08.12 | chouimat | kosse s'etait st'affaire la? |
| 02:09.40 | TomW | ibot: kosse s'etait st'affaire la? |
| 02:09.41 | | TomW: no idea |
| 02:09.47 | TomW | neither do I |
| 02:10.01 | chouimat | TomW: wtf is that er0k? |
| 02:10.09 | chouimat | but in french |
| 02:11.58 | TomW | k |
| 02:12.48 | TomW | you're allow to swear in any language you wish on this channel. heh, no one cares! |
| 02:12.49 | TomW | heh |
| 02:14.22 | TomW | anyone care to clue me as to how / where I should start with changing: font size (point size), display row & col limits? I would like to reformat the screen display of the webpal to a larger font with less chars. |
| 02:14.37 | TomW | this is for the console |
| 02:14.44 | TomW | lcd |
| 02:17.38 | chouimat | TomW: really? ok TABARNACK!!! |
| 02:17.41 | chouimat | :) |
| 02:17.53 | jacques | damn I hate spam |
| 02:18.34 | chouimat | kergoth: GF not available tonight? |
| 02:18.48 | kergoth | TomW: can always do it at build time.. console drivers in the kernel config :) |
| 02:19.06 | kergoth | dunno beyond that |
| 02:19.28 | kergoth | chouimat: heh, i dont need to see her tonight, ill see her saturday. tonight i get some work done |
| 02:19.32 | kergoth | chouimat: ;) |
| 02:19.38 | TomW | yeah, looks like I will have to drill down into the the frame buffer stuff.. |
| 02:19.58 | chouimat | kergoth: :) |
| 02:20.33 | chouimat | that 15years old girl passed about 12 times in front of my window |
| 02:21.04 | kergoth | chouimat: 15 will get you 20 |
| 02:21.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:21.35 | chouimat | kergoth: not in canada if she ask me .... :) |
| 02:21.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:28.08 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:35.25 | chouimat | efnet????? |
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| 02:43.46 | Morn | anyone home? |
| 02:44.33 | TomW | Morn: nope, we're all out partying |
| 02:44.43 | Morn | I wish :-) |
| 02:44.57 | Morn | is there still development on tuxscreen.net or is that dead? |
| 02:45.14 | TomW | Morn: you an me both, too many hours at the keys.. What say we go catch a movie or something? |
| 02:45.37 | Morn | I'd love to catch a movie? what ya want to see? |
| 02:46.08 | file | go rent Hackers *G* |
| 02:46.13 | Morn | Own it |
| 02:46.27 | TomW | shoot, I don't even know what they are showing. Most of my movie stuff is from Cinemax. |
| 02:46.30 | file | lol |
| 02:46.59 | Morn | I want to see "The Recruit" |
| 02:47.11 | Morn | or "Dark Blue" that opens Friday |
| 02:47.17 | TomW | I don't know about the TuxScreen, there are probably some people who are still working at it. CosmicPenguin may be still hacking it, and maybe Russ |
| 02:47.34 | file | TomW & Morn: ever read the book "The Blue Nowhere"? |
| 02:47.47 | Morn | file: no, sorry |
| 02:47.59 | TomW | Yeah, as much as I wouldn't mind going with you to a movie Morn, you just live too darned far away! |
| 02:48.00 | file | Morn: it's really good, about computers and hacking |
| 02:48.08 | file | Morn: it's a fictional story though, but they use real terms |
| 02:48.20 | file | I highly recommend it |
| 02:48.22 | Morn | TomW: I've been hacking around mono a lot recently... and was thinking about trying to get it running on the tux |
| 02:48.47 | TomW | hmm, did you ever increas the ram size on your tux? |
| 02:48.56 | Morn | file: trying to thik of the essay I rad on the hacker crackdown, oh wait that's it... "Hacker Crackdown" |
| 02:49.15 | Morn | TomW: I have the larger dimm installed, but it only sees part of it |
| 02:49.23 | Morn | Didn't you work on a fix for that? |
| 02:50.01 | TomW | yeah, it will. IIRC GPSFan had swapped the mainboard ram & the sodimm, there are two resistors that have to be cross connected to do that. |
| 02:50.46 | TomW | Morn: my "fix" for that was to pull the 1Meg devices off the mainboard and replace them with 4Meg devies. |
| 02:50.52 | Morn | ah |
| 02:51.00 | Morn | I was hoping for a non-hardware hack to fix it |
| 02:51.19 | TomW | Morn: *then* when you put the 32Meg SODIMM in it gives you 64Meg. |
| 02:51.19 | Morn | Tim seemed to think it needed a change in the way the kernel loaded or some such |
| 02:52.35 | TomW | Morn: yeah, well, it deals with the number of Slots in the MMU table. You have 8 / 10 slots set aside to merge RAM banks into a single logical image. If you have more than those 10 banks, you have used up the MMU slots available. |
| 02:53.16 | TomW | Morn: you can increase the number of slots used for merging RAM banks, but then you lose slots for running processes. |
| 02:54.24 | TomW | Morn: it is a system tuning thingy. Less MMU slots == lower system performance |
| 02:54.34 | Morn | ah |
| 02:54.44 | Morn | I just really need more ram |
| 02:54.51 | Morn | I keep running out when I run opie |
| 02:55.35 | file | Morn: :( |
| 02:55.40 | file | Morn: pray to the memory gods |
| 02:59.00 | TomW | Morn: the DRAM controllers of the ARM processors are extremely primitive (inflexible) and in order to change the RAM you have to physically rewire the controller (e.g. motherboard). The DRAM controllers in the X86, and other monster systems, are very flexible, they can be reconfigured via software. |
| 02:59.34 | Morn | but the original OS on the tux could see all the RAM |
| 03:00.00 | TomW | andersee: Ok Erik, I am ready for a new busybox + uClibc for the webpal stuff. What versions should I use? busybox-0.60.5 and uClibc-n.nn ? |
| 03:01.25 | TomW | Morn: correct, the way the ram was wired, it would map out into either two 4 meg banks, or four 4 meg banks with an 8Meg SODIMM installed. |
| 03:02.14 | TomW | Morn: that is only eight slots that would have to be used on the MMU to merge them together into a single LOGICAL 16Meg image. |
| 03:03.37 | andersee | TomW: I recommend Busybox 0.60.5 and uClibc 0.9.18 |
| 03:04.05 | TomW | Morn: ... rather than four seperate 4Meg images. The processor *cannot* deal with segmented (gaps between) RAM, it must be contigious. In order to make it contigious, you hae to use the MMU, or rewire the board. Since there were 10 slots reserved by the kernel programmers to be used to merge RAM banks, we did it in software. |
| 03:04.11 | TomW | andersee: k |
| 03:06.00 | Morn | TomW: Ok... |
| 03:06.16 | TomW | Morn: once you exceed 8 banks of RAM, the excess banks > 8 are lost (not mapped). In order to recover those banks, you would have to hack into the kernel sources and reorganize how the MMU allocates Table Entries. |
| 03:06.40 | TomW | Morn: it is do-able, but not very interesting. |
| 03:06.45 | TomW | Morn: heh |
| 03:06.56 | Morn | if I had any clue, I would do it... |
| 03:07.02 | Morn | but alas, I'm a simple gal... |
| 03:07.58 | TomW | Morn: nobody likes to mess with certain areas of the kernel! have you ever tried to follow the Process Scheduler? I did one time, I single stepped the beast, what a nightmare that thing is. |
| 03:09.05 | TomW | Morn: Hey! we'd make a great couple, you are just a simple gal, and I am just a simple guy. :D |
| 03:09.51 | TomW | Morn: right now, the webpal has my attention. |
| 03:10.13 | TomW | Morn: screaming along at a whopping 19.81 BogoMIPS... |
| 03:11.38 | TomW | I am about to hardware an 8900A ethernet chip on to this freakin' board! None of my NE2000 cards will work with the thing. |
| 03:12.06 | Morn | grin |
| 03:12.07 | Morn | webpal? |
| 03:12.18 | TomW | yeah, WebPal |
| 03:12.40 | TomW | Morn: http://www.openhardware.net/webpal.bigbrd.com/index.html |
| 03:12.53 | TomW | only $12.95 with the 33.6K modem |
| 03:13.05 | TomW | $7.95 without the modem. |
| 03:14.11 | TomW | I haven't gotten the IR keyboard / mouse working on it yet. Last night (this morning?) I got a buildroot-webpal put together and working. |
| 03:17.33 | Morn | looks like fun |
| 03:18.57 | TomW | could be, I am trying to get one put together so I can run pine / elm so that my Mom has something for email. |
| 03:19.28 | TomW | she doesn't want a computer, she only wants to get her email at home. She is retiring next month. |
| 03:20.33 | Morn | I understand |
| 03:20.50 | Morn | I'd like to make the TuxScreen a remote web terminal for guests one of these days |
| 03:22.08 | TomW | yeah, I'd like to get back to the Tux, but since I see more of a design possibility with the lower speed ARM processors, I am focusing my time there. |
| 03:22.28 | TomW | the Tux was a great confidence builder for me. It got me onto the ARM processors, finally. |
| 03:23.52 | TomW | The WebPal uses a Cirrus Logic CLPS7500-FE processor. The have some other processors in that family that are all TQFP packaging, something that my customers (and me) can handle. The BGA crap is only for ultra-high volume manufacturers (IMO). |
| 03:30.20 | kergoth | TomW: wheres your buildroot-webpal at? |
| 03:31.46 | TomW | kergoth: still finalizing the stuff right now. Going for another complete build to make sure that I have all the bugs out of it. |
| 03:32.23 | kergoth | TomW: cool. I maintain a buildroot derivative, i'd like to add webpal build capability |
| 03:32.34 | TomW | kergoth: I am using older verisons of busybox & uclibc on it right now. Next step is to use the more current sources for them, then I will release into cvs. |
| 03:32.42 | kergoth | currently it can build for ramses, the ads developer board, the h36xx ipaqs |
| 03:32.45 | kergoth | cool |
| 03:33.16 | TomW | it is a fairly simple buildroot, not much to it, but then, niether is the webpal (much to it). |
| 03:33.45 | kergoth | right |
| 03:33.56 | kergoth | I just want to take the webpal specifics and merge em :) |
| 03:34.04 | kergoth | i.e. its kernel build |
| 03:34.05 | Morn | kergoth: do you maintian the tuxscreen buildroot too? |
| 03:34.29 | TomW | fscking ethernet won't work. I have tried 3 differnet NE2000 cards and a 3C509, none of them work, even though they are 0x300 @ IRQ 3 |
| 03:34.58 | kergoth | Morn: nope, though adding tuxscreen build support to the one i do maintain would be a breeze |
| 03:35.06 | TomW | Morn: no, that is a community thing. Several of us have commit privs on the SF cvs for that project. |
| 03:35.21 | Morn | TomW: but is anyone still commiting? |
| 03:35.27 | TomW | dunno |
| 03:35.37 | kergoth | make menuconfig .. select ipaq .. select what packages you want.. save and exit.. make .. wait for your packages to build, following dependencies, and run make image to build an image for deployment |
| 03:35.41 | kergoth | ;) |
| 03:35.53 | TomW | I have been scrambling for the past 3 months doing work for customers, not much time to play lately. |
| 03:35.57 | sorphin | TomW: yo |
| 03:36.02 | sorphin | they're on their way now |
| 03:36.05 | TomW | I decided to take abt a week and do the webpal. |
| 03:36.17 | Morn | kergoth: using the ipaq settings it'll work on a tuxscreen? |
| 03:36.27 | kergoth | Morn: no, that was just an example of its use |
| 03:36.31 | Morn | ah |
| 03:36.33 | kergoth | Morn: you'd select tuxscreen once i add it |
| 03:36.40 | TomW | sorphin: hope you sent me enough return postage, 'cause if I have to dig into MY pocket to subsidize you... heh :/ |
| 03:36.53 | kergoth | the advantage being it has a configuration system to manipulate what you're producing |
| 03:36.58 | sorphin | TomW: as for ethernet.. the only ne2k's known to work are the Halted ones, as for the 3c509, someone got one working w/ a driver tweaked |
| 03:37.08 | Morn | kergoth: yeah... |
| 03:37.10 | sorphin | TomW: heh, i did :P i cracked open the envelope JUST for you |
| 03:37.16 | sorphin | and put on the 2nd stamp :P |
| 03:37.23 | sorphin | for a whole 37 cents ;p |
| 03:37.50 | MonMotha6 | I really need to get linux on my webpal so I can see if this card works |
| 03:37.57 | MonMotha6 | it has jumpers, always a plus :) |
| 03:38.16 | TomW | sorphin: one thing abt the 3c509 driver is that when you insmod it, it complains about not finding the "outsl" & "insl" symbols. I cannot figure it out yet as these ARE being compiled into the kernel! |
| 03:38.19 | sorphin | TomW: so as long as you don't put more than the 2 simms, it won't cost any more :P hell, this cost $.60, 2 stamps is 74 |
| 03:38.46 | sorphin | well, the 2 simms in their static bag ;p |
| 03:39.05 | TomW | MonMotha6: send me the simm and I'll put a cramfs on it like I will be doing for sorphin |
| 03:39.21 | sorphin | TomW: on the ether, i've tried 2 diff brand ne2k cards, one uses a davicom chip, the other is an Eagle by microdyne |
| 03:39.34 | MonMotha6 | TomW: well, I'm attempting to port BLOB to it, which is why it's taking me forever (though I can't get the programmer thingie to work either) |
| 03:39.41 | TomW | MonMotha6: http://www.openhardware.net/pics/Needham-perf.jpg |
| 03:39.57 | MonMotha6 | what chips do the halted ones have? |
| 03:40.23 | sorphin | TomW: what you need btw, is the erase binary |
| 03:40.29 | sorphin | but with your big ass busybox |
| 03:40.32 | TomW | MonMotha6: it took me two days to make the adaptor, but the thing works great in my commercial device programmer. |
| 03:40.34 | sorphin | erase may not fit |
| 03:41.10 | sorphin | TomW: erase is the prog used under linux to muck w/ the thing, part of the mtd package |
| 03:41.43 | MonMotha6 | TomW: it would be a lot easier to work with if they'd brought BYTE out to the connector instead of tying it directly to VCC |
| 03:41.45 | TomW | sorphin: oh, that was the MTD block eraser? |
| 03:41.50 | MonMotha6 | I've though about modding that in |
| 03:41.59 | TomW | MonMotha6: you don't need BYTE tied to anything. |
| 03:42.01 | MonMotha6 | then building a programer off the pport with glue logic would be a snap |
| 03:42.12 | MonMotha6 | TomW: they have it tied to VCC to disable it (always run in 16 bit mode) |
| 03:42.13 | TomW | MonMotha6: you only need to bring RDY/#BSY out. |
| 03:42.35 | MonMotha6 | TomW: I was wanting to run it in 8 bit mode to make programming easier |
| 03:43.04 | TomW | although, technically, you don't have to use the RDY/#BSY as they should have data bit toggling on that series of Flash (like on the EEPROMs). |
| 03:43.43 | TomW | MonMotha6: you think in 8 bits, too small, you gotta "expand" your mind. :D |
| 03:43.50 | MonMotha6 | would make it easier though |
| 03:43.58 | TomW | yeah, one less latch |
| 03:44.01 | MonMotha6 | TomW: I think in 8 bits because my PC Parallel port talks in 8 bits :) |
| 03:44.40 | MonMotha6 | are RDY and #BSY brought out to the connector? |
| 03:44.45 | TomW | sorphin: I have only about 12K left in the cramfs. |
| 03:44.58 | TomW | sorphin: 12K of free space that is. |
| 03:45.21 | TomW | MonMotha6: no, but it is simple to do. I did that as my programmer needed it. |
| 03:45.39 | MonMotha6 | TomW: yeah, I was going to do the same thing with #BYTE to allow me to program it in 8 bit mode |
| 03:45.57 | MonMotha6 | since I don't have a real programmer, but am building one out of glue logic and fancy software :) |
| 03:46.05 | TomW | RDY/#BSY is the hardware indicator of "operation completed", but you should be able to poll the device via the data bus to see if it has finished out. |
| 03:46.18 | MonMotha6 | the pathetic thing is I've probably spent like $35 on 74 series logic to build it :) |
| 03:47.07 | TomW | MonMotha6: nothing wrong with being cheap. I built a variety of micro / gal / pal / eprom programmers before I got enough excess cash to purchase this one (abt $1100) |
| 03:47.27 | MonMotha6 | yep, problem is I don't have any programmable logic |
| 03:47.48 | MonMotha6 | well, I guess I have a couple GAL16V8s (wow those are common...), but no way to program them short of Lattice's JTAG over pport |
| 03:48.15 | MonMotha6 | I guess they do make the software available freely (the programmer, the designer costs $$$) |
| 03:49.23 | MonMotha6 | being able to use programmable logic would simplify my programmer design some though (doesn't change the fact that you have to get like 40 lines from 8 :) |
| 03:49.25 | TomW | MonMotha6: that is why I bought the Needham EMP30, best bang for the bucks and it does a lot of devices. |
| 03:51.31 | MonMotha6 | very nice, I keep forgetting that EPP mode pport (which is what I'm using) has 3 spare inputs |
| 03:51.39 | MonMotha6 | I can just hook RDY/#BSY up to two of them |
| 03:51.43 | MonMotha6 | won't make my design any more complex |
| 03:53.11 | MonMotha6 | but will simplify my software a lot |
| 03:54.25 | sorphin | TomW: hmm.. lemme see how big erase is |
| 03:55.10 | TomW | sorphin: I have to get an ethernet working so I can store some stuff on the harddrive first. |
| 03:55.27 | TomW | sorphin: where did you see that info on the 3c509 card? |
| 03:56.04 | sorphin | think ken mentioned it |
| 03:57.16 | MonMotha6 | jeesh, I have to put 12V on #OE if I want sector protection? grr... |
| 03:57.59 | TomW | sorphin: ken? |
| 03:58.51 | sorphin | TomW: um.. gpsfan? :P |
| 03:58.56 | TomW | Just figured the would be a good topic of discussion since I've been having so many problems... |
| 03:58.57 | TomW | 1. 3com Etherlink III (TP/TPO) (3c509) Managed to get it up after changing the io scan to 0x80400000 |
| 03:58.57 | TomW | Other than that I just get collisions/overuns. |
| 03:59.28 | TomW | someone posted on the linux-hacker.net site. |
| 03:59.40 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:00.27 | TomW | Oh well, I'll just have to printk the driver until I find the scan section. I tried reading it, but there is PNP shit in there as well as ISA in the driver code. |
| 04:01.03 | MonMotha6 | even still? I would think the PnP would be moved out by now |
| 04:01.11 | MonMotha6 | since there's the kernel-wide isapnp support |
| 04:01.23 | TomW | well, my buildroot-webpal works fine. Now to upgrade the busybox & uclibc sources for it. |
| 04:01.40 | TomW | MonMotha6: well, maybe I meant PCI |
| 04:01.48 | TomW | same thing |
| 04:02.00 | TomW | more or less |
| 04:02.25 | TomW | Morn: eyes are slowly crossing, too many hours on the keyboard! |
| 04:03.40 | Morn | TomW: I've been hacking code today for about 16 hours |
| 04:03.49 | *** part/#elinux GPSFan (~kenm@65.114.238.130) |
| 04:06.08 | MonMotha6 | TimRiker: HaViNg FuN wItH oDdBaLl CaSe? |
| 04:07.00 | TomW | Morn: yeah, time to hop in the car and go on a "mission", like drive 10..20 miles to get a soda or something. |
| 04:07.15 | Morn | driving isn't fun right now with the snow |
| 04:07.51 | TomW | yes it is! A CHALLANGE to keep between the lines! |
| 04:08.20 | TomW | Almost like sleigh riding! |
| 04:08.44 | Morn | I live on a mountian |
| 04:09.00 | Morn | with a 2 wheel drive manual transsion car |
| 04:09.04 | Morn | I hate going out |
| 04:11.49 | TomW | Well, it is not a mountain that I live on, more like a big hill... |
| 04:12.19 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 04:12.42 | TomW | Morn: hmmm, WaWa market is still open, they got Ben & Jerry's ice cream there. |
| 04:12.58 | Morn | I'm about 1000 feet above the people in the valley |
| 04:13.16 | TomW | Morn: Triple Caramel Crunch |
| 04:13.16 | Morn | WaWa, we had those in Phila |
| 04:13.53 | TomW | Morn: Phish Food, Cherry Garcia |
| 04:14.11 | TomW | Morn: Bovine Divinity |
| 04:14.21 | TomW | Morn: making you hungry yet? :D |
| 04:14.43 | Morn | :-) |
| 04:17.18 | Morn | :-( |
| 04:17.21 | Morn | I don't get any |
| 04:46.45 | TomW_icecream | Morn: "One Sweet Whirled": caramel & coffee ice creams with marshmallow & caramel swirls & coffee flavored fudge chips. |
| 04:46.53 | TomW_icecream | Morn: grab a spoon and come on over! |
| 05:00.59 | Russ | anyone ever ship to canada? |
| 05:01.28 | Russ | this guys zipcode is G6C1b5, ups.com wants numbers |
| 05:35.07 | TomW | good stuff |
| 06:04.05 | sorphin | TomW: dream on gramps |
| 06:20.55 | TomW | andersee: I see that you are getting much better at writing your makefiles. I am currently hacking the linux.mk file apart, it is interesting reading. |
| 06:24.29 | TomW | andersee: I felt that it was necessary to change the README to say that you get all the insults and credits, but I get to keep the bribes. |
| 06:37.48 | kergoth | hm, anyone have a shell script handy for calling out mknod and chmod to build devices from a device table? |
| 06:39.12 | TomW | kergoth: not a script, I have a C program that I hacked out of Erik's mkfs.jffs2, it uses the device_table.txt file as the mknod rules. |
| 06:39.30 | TomW | kergoth: you want it? |
| 06:39.32 | kergoth | TomW: would you mind sending that my way? kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 06:39.33 | kergoth | yeah |
| 06:39.46 | TomW | I'll tar it up now |
| 06:41.20 | kergoth | thanks |
| 06:42.40 | TomW | kergoth: http://openhardware.net/webpal/files/makedevs-0.1.tar.bz2 |
| 06:42.58 | kergoth | thanks again, i appreciat eit |
| 06:43.39 | TomW | then: $(MAKEDEVS_BINARY) -D $(BASE_DIR)/sources/device_table.txt -d $(BASE_DIR)/root |
| 06:43.54 | sorphin | TomW: btw, let me know when you get the simms :) |
| 06:44.36 | TomW | makedevfs -D where-the-device-list-is/device_table.txt -d /full-path-to-the/root-dir |
| 06:44.56 | TomW | kergoth: it is x86, just untar and make |
| 06:45.21 | TomW | sorphin: probably will take a week for the mules to get here. |
| 06:46.06 | kergoth | TomW: course i'll be crosscompiling and using it to produce the /dev contents after mounting the /dev ramdisk :) |
| 06:46.09 | sorphin | TomW: i dunno, usually not that bad |
| 06:46.50 | kergoth | TomW: thereby reducing flash writes due to permission changes on the devices if htey're in flash (i.e. tty*) |
| 06:48.19 | kergoth | i was using a tarball of the devices, but its 140k.. seems pointless, other thatn performance (due to the device creation) |
| 06:50.35 | TomW | kergoth: aww, I wouldn't create them AFTER the fact, I would do them as part of the cramfs / romfs / whatever. |
| 06:52.24 | kergoth | TomW: I dont want them in flash. |
| 06:52.28 | kergoth | TomW: produces unnecessary flash writes. |
| 06:52.36 | kergoth | TomW: I mount a ramfs or tmpfs on /dev directly |
| 06:52.52 | kergoth | hence the need for population of /dev |
| 06:53.07 | TomW | no, look at the way the Tux is done, it is the best solution that I have seen so far. |
| 06:53.12 | kergoth | I did. |
| 06:53.30 | kergoth | I based mine on the tux |
| 06:53.32 | sorphin | all i can say is, "say no to devfs" ;) |
| 06:53.47 | TomW | the /dev dir points to /boot/var/dev, only on the Tux the /boot/var/dev dir is created at the time that the romfs is build. |
| 06:53.57 | TomW | s/build/built/ |
| 06:54.10 | kergoth | TomW: yes, i'm aware of that |
| 06:54.37 | TomW | okay, advantage is that the /boot/var/ dir is actually in RAM and not in Flash. |
| 06:54.42 | kergoth | TomW: In my system, every file in the produced image is installed via a packaging system |
| 06:54.45 | kergoth | TomW: ipkg |
| 06:54.53 | kergoth | TomW: as a result, i want no files in the image that are not within a package |
| 06:54.58 | TomW | not familiar with ipkg |
| 06:55.02 | kergoth | and including raw devices in packages becomes a bitch to maintain |
| 06:55.13 | kergoth | because you cant produce the packages without being root then |
| 06:55.21 | kergoth | and I do not want to require root to build |
| 06:55.26 | TomW | k |
| 06:56.20 | kergoth | anyway, I've thought it out, its a difference in our implementations that requires me to hadnle dev population via a means other than 'cp -a' :) |
| 06:56.39 | kergoth | given i'm mknod()'ing in ram, i doubt it'll be much of a performance issue |
| 06:56.44 | kergoth | i'll play around |
| 07:00.23 | kergoth | fun fun |
| 07:01.19 | kergoth | course /var has the same situation. ramdisk, with permissions that need to be set properly (i.e. /var/empty for ssh privsep).. but building a package as a user will end up stomping permissions to root/root |
| 07:02.16 | kergoth | now /var, not having device files, could be handled via a /boot/var directory containing the var contents, as long as I keep around a device table handler like teh one you sent me, which readjusts perms at /var population time.. |
| 07:02.20 | kergoth | hmm |
| 07:04.38 | TomW | kergoth: yeah, that is what I was after, being able to just point makedevs at a device list and a target dir, then let it create the devices. |
| 07:05.13 | TomW | I don't know if it needs you to be root or not, I am currently root while building the webpal stuff. |
| 07:05.17 | kergoth | right, but at image build time that implies that i'm root, which i cant guarantee.. so runtime it is :) |
| 07:05.20 | kergoth | :) |
| 07:05.35 | TomW | I guess that I should switch to user mode... |
| 07:06.08 | TomW | I got used to running as root while doing controller dev as the dosemu wants me to run as root. |
| 07:06.11 | kergoth | you guys have less concerns being you arent using a packaging system, you can simply rely completely on the device table at image creation time |
| 07:06.14 | kergoth | :) |
| 07:06.39 | TomW | yes, I am God |
| 07:06.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:07.09 | TomW | a multi user o/s always running with one user. |
| 07:07.37 | kergoth | debian unstable + fakeroot + sudo + one primary nonroot user = happy me |
| 07:08.48 | TomW | played with sudo, but not with fakeroot. |
| 07:09.13 | kergoth | fakeroot just makes everything _think_ you're root. chown root.root blah succeeds, but doesnt do anything :) |
| 07:09.26 | kergoth | nice for faking out makefiles that assume you're root.. then you can cleanup afterwards |
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| 07:22.40 | TomW | that new buildroot-tux certainly pulls in a lot(!) of filespace |
| 07:23.24 | TomW | good thing I have a broadband connection, it could take days with a 56K modem! |
| 07:29.30 | andersee | TomW: sorry 'bout that |
| 07:29.42 | TomW | andersee: np |
| 07:30.00 | TomW | andersee: looks like a better system than the one of a year ago |
| 07:30.13 | TomW | andersee: you've been busy... |
| 07:30.18 | andersee | TomW: yeah, I've put a bit of work into it |
| 07:30.27 | andersee | so it should suck a bit less |
| 07:30.38 | TomW | andersee: heh, it has become another child of yours. |
| 07:31.01 | TomW | andersee: is that all you do? busybox & uclibc? |
| 07:31.12 | andersee | TomW: nope |
| 07:31.29 | andersee | TomW: I've also got a big 6 year government contract thingee |
| 07:31.48 | andersee | TomW: and a wife, 3 kids, 2 hamsters, and a tank of fish |
| 07:31.51 | TomW | andersee: hmmm, been a while since I have had a project that lasted more than a few months. |
| 07:32.23 | TomW | andersee: maybe I need a job? NAW, scratch that idea. |
| 07:32.33 | andersee | TomW: :) |
| 07:34.07 | TomW | andersee: I like this idea of the buildroot. It keeps it brain-dead simple. As I get shifted from project / project, this system helps keep stuff together in one tree. |
| 07:35.08 | andersee | TomW: these days, the one on uclibc.org has more stuff in it -- http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ |
| 07:35.33 | andersee | TomW: I use it to build the development systems on uclibc.org |
| 07:36.38 | TomW | andersee: interesting, I'll have to play with it later. |
| 07:39.10 | TomW | andersee: the secret to the art of programming is the ability to read & create a Makefile |
| 07:39.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 07:39.40 | TomW | andersee: if you can deal with GNU make, you can understand any language system |
| 07:40.13 | andersee | TomW: you will find that I have kept buildroot-tux and uclibc.org buildroot in sync. I regularly copy move back and forth between them. |
| 07:40.13 | TomW | kergoth: no shit, right? |
| 07:40.32 | TomW | lol |
| 07:40.55 | andersee | kergoth: it would be nice if it could have some better dependancy mechanisms. |
| 07:40.57 | TomW | kergoth: you always have perl & shell scripting... |
| 07:41.08 | kergoth | andersee: yes, something other than 'prerequisite' would be nice |
| 07:41.31 | kergoth | andersee: say, a means of depending on a target.. depending on the files existance without being affected by its date/time stamp would be nice |
| 07:42.01 | andersee | kergoth: something like target: [ ! -f $(STAGING_DIR)/foo ] woudld be wonderful! |
| 07:42.03 | kergoth | as would the ability to 'call out' another target at any point within another target |
| 07:42.06 | kergoth | andersee: exactly. |
| 07:42.20 | kergoth | andersee: being affected by a dir's timestamp killed me before i realized wtf was going on |
| 07:42.23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:42.46 | andersee | kergoth: If you would use shell fragments to satisfy dependancies, I'd be in heaven |
| 07:43.15 | kergoth | hehe. agreed |
| 07:44.01 | kergoth | being forced to rely on the 'makefile prerequisite' as the only means of specifying a relationship between targets sucks |
| 07:44.02 | TomW | kergoth: yeah, I have found that to be a limitation, not being able to invoke other target rules without a $(MAKE) blah |
| 07:45.04 | kergoth | i tried hacking around it with fun $(shell) blocks within a target's prerequisites, but that causes problems due to the order in which make parses the makefile |
| 07:45.17 | kergoth | end up with weird things like having to run make twice to get everything to happen right |
| 07:45.50 | kergoth | $(shell if [ ! -e /thatdir ]; then echo myprerequisite; fi) doesnt quite work as planned :) |
| 07:46.02 | TomW | things could be worse, we could be stuck with Micro$ofts nmake... |
| 07:46.05 | kergoth | though it does work.. just need to be aware of its quirks |
| 07:47.01 | TomW | AHHH! cross-gcc is done building! |
| 07:47.17 | kergoth | I should write up a tips and tricks page outlining GNU makes limitations, just what they are, when you coudl be affected by them, and how to work around them |
| 07:47.25 | TomW | I need more ram + faster cpu to do this work anymore. |
| 07:47.34 | kergoth | TomW: what box are ya buildin on? |
| 07:48.00 | TomW | Pentium 3 1100MHz + 512Meg |
| 07:48.05 | TomW | ata100 |
| 07:48.17 | kergoth | could be worse |
| 07:48.20 | kergoth | :) |
| 07:48.53 | TomW | I have a P4 2Ghz with 512 of DDR sitting here, nothing really on it yet, just an ATA100 120G drive. |
| 07:49.18 | kergoth | oh, another limitation.. the abiltiy to depend on a phony target without rebuilding _this_ target everytime the phony target is run |
| 07:50.10 | kergoth | I could use an upgrade myself. using a 1ghz athlon tbird w/ 256mb ddr |
| 07:50.49 | TomW | that ddr stuff is expensive! |
| 07:51.02 | kergoth | yup.. its come down quite a bit recently thankfully |
| 07:51.12 | kergoth | i couldnt afford more than 256 at the time :) |
| 07:51.42 | TomW | I bought the P4 Celeron by mistake, I thought it was a P3. then I bought a mb for it, then found out it used DDR and not SDRAM.. :/ |
| 07:51.57 | TomW | in for a dollar... |
| 07:52.11 | TomW | in for a $100 |
| 07:53.13 | TomW | shit, kernel compile failed with gcc-3 |
| 07:55.20 | andersee | TomW: where, what? |
| 07:55.52 | TomW | EXPORT_SYMBOL_NOVERS(abort); |
| 07:56.07 | TomW | armksyms.c:234: `abort' undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 07:56.19 | andersee | what kernel? |
| 07:56.45 | TomW | got to look deeper here, 2.4.18 with rmk4 and webpal rmk4-brd patches |
| 07:56.57 | andersee | -brd? |
| 07:57.05 | andersee | webpal. ahh |
| 07:57.13 | andersee | Well, your on your own there |
| 07:57.33 | TomW | I had the build process die a few times so stuff may not have completed when I corrected the issue and continued. I'll wipe the kernel source clean and try again. |
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| 15:12.31 | sorphin | GPSFan: morning |
| 15:14.03 | sjhill | lo' sorphin |
| 15:15.51 | sorphin | lo steveo |
| 15:17.59 | sorphin | sjhill: i thought it smelled like mips in here :P |
| 15:18.37 | sjhill | heh |
| 15:19.07 | sorphin | sjhill: what's new? |
| 15:19.37 | sjhill | i am running acceptance test on one of my MIPS boards today |
| 15:19.44 | sorphin | cool |
| 15:19.46 | sjhill | after that, i will be working on PMON modifications |
| 15:20.05 | sorphin | pmon ? |
| 15:20.25 | sjhill | http://www.carmel.com/pmon/ |
| 15:20.44 | sjhill | i emailed him to see if he would let me create a CVS repository so the community can start sharing work |
| 15:21.09 | sjhill | not PMON the company, PMON the PROM monitor :) |
| 15:21.24 | sorphin | i know |
| 15:22.41 | GPSFan | sorphin: hi dan, how's life? |
| 15:23.01 | sorphin | GPSFan: it's still sitting there, laughing at me, you? |
| 15:23.11 | GPSFan | same... |
| 15:23.53 | sorphin | GPSFan: where the heck is jp1 on the webpal board? there's nothing labeled as such (unless it's under the atmel) |
| 15:25.13 | GPSFan | sorphin: pull both simms out, the pads are below the DRAM simm, but where you have to cut is on the other side of the board. |
| 15:25.33 | sorphin | got a pic? |
| 15:26.15 | GPSFan | no :>( |
| 15:26.32 | sorphin | i'll just look when i get home then |
| 15:27.30 | GPSFan | sorphin: they are clearly marked, but not on the back side where you have to cut. I removed the IR module to achieve the same effect. |
| 15:27.39 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:27.58 | GPSFan | sorphin: I'm almost done with a dual serial board layout, my cost will be ablut $8.00 less parts. Uses a MAX225. |
| 15:28.26 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:29.14 | sorphin | the 225 is the SMT only part innit? (can't look at the chips i have at home atm).. cuz i know the one you told me, that i ended up w/ (unless i typoed on their sample form) ended up being smt only |
| 15:29.17 | sorphin | well |
| 15:29.22 | sorphin | SOIC |
| 15:29.28 | CosmicPenguin | Morning |
| 15:29.46 | sorphin | morning mr pixil |
| 15:30.04 | GPSFan | if I ever get off my but and finish it, I'll send you one. yes 28 pin soic, |
| 15:30.45 | sorphin | k, igot 2 of those then |
| 15:30.59 | sorphin | when i put the header on hte webpal board i used a full 20, so.. |
| 15:31.11 | sorphin | well, actually i had to leave 2 pins out |
| 15:31.24 | sorphin | so the 10 pin connector would fit for now |
| 15:31.59 | GPSFan | plenty of room to solder it on, the only parts are the 225 a .1 cap and 2 connectors. it fits right over the 20 pin connector. |
| 15:32.10 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:32.25 | sorphin | still no room on the back of the case tho :P |
| 15:33.00 | sjhill | ajajaj |
| 15:33.00 | sjhill | faljk; |
| 15:33.01 | sjhill | fadsj;l |
| 15:33.08 | sorphin | ibot: cluebat sjhill |
| 15:33.10 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps sjhill. |
| 15:33.22 | sorphin | sjhill: snap out of it |
| 15:33.49 | GPSFan | sorphin: yep that is still a problem. |
| 15:34.36 | sorphin | man, i hate when people do this.. somehting has 10 hours left (hell, even when it had 2 days left), people chase the damn price up |
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| 15:37.15 | sorphin | prpplague: morning |
| 15:37.42 | prpplague | sorphin: that it is |
| 15:38.00 | sorphin | prpplague: man people are greedy for those magstripe writers |
| 15:38.17 | sorphin | prpplague: an auction was a day out, they already bidwar :P |
| 15:38.19 | prpplague | sorphin: yep, probably makin fake id's |
| 15:38.25 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:38.43 | sorphin | i just wanna play w/ the cards i have, maybe rig up some cheap security thing w/ it :P |
| 15:38.50 | sorphin | and for idle curiousity |
| 15:39.30 | prpplague | argh, someone appears to have m$-outlook virus and is sending me .pif files |
| 15:39.41 | sorphin | prpplague: i get em very very randomly |
| 15:39.53 | prpplague | sorphin: this one is pretty consistant |
| 15:40.04 | prpplague | sorphin: i suspect that its one of our vendors |
| 15:40.16 | sorphin | prpplague: figures |
| 15:40.56 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: monring |
| 15:40.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lo |
| 15:41.10 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: how goes the good fight? |
| 15:44.34 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:46.09 | prpplague | chouimat: lo |
| 15:46.14 | prpplague | chouimat: got your message |
| 15:46.22 | GPSFan | prpplague: morning. |
| 15:46.24 | chouimat | prpplague: ok |
| 15:46.35 | prpplague | GPSFan: hey dude |
| 15:46.43 | prpplague | we have full crowd alive this morning |
| 15:47.12 | GPSFan | prpplague: I'm almost done with a dual serial board layout, my cost will be ablut $8.00 less parts. |
| 15:47.17 | chouimat | prpplague: we can go in #zaurus and have some fun with George- :) |
| 15:48.01 | prpplague | GPSFan: nice |
| 15:48.06 | GPSFan | prpplague: as I told dan if I ever get off my but and finish them I'll send you one. |
| 15:48.12 | prpplague | chouimat: too tired today |
| 15:48.13 | GPSFan | too. |
| 15:48.24 | prpplague | GPSFan: thanks |
| 15:49.51 | chouimat | "People seem much brighter after being set on fire." from #kde-devel topic |
| 15:57.37 | prpplague | chouimat: hmm, how many lines of code would you say are in the oz project? |
| 15:58.42 | chouimat | prpplague: just the buildroot or everything? |
| 16:04.52 | prpplague | chouimat: just buildroot |
| 16:05.18 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: you in the house? |
| 16:05.47 | sorphin | prpplague: tomw is gonna fix my simms for me, since he got his adapter made for his emp-30 |
| 16:05.49 | signal11 | yes |
| 16:05.49 | chouimat | prpplague: use wc on every files and add |
| 16:06.04 | signal11 | you need someone to activate your machine, don't you |
| 16:06.40 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: would you? I've got someone hot to trot on Webmedia |
| 16:07.00 | sjhill | any dhcp experts about? |
| 16:07.24 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: Russ is the real expert, but maybe we can help |
| 16:11.24 | sjhill | i have eth0 and eth0:0 |
| 16:11.34 | sjhill | i want my private '10.0.0.0' network on eth0:0 |
| 16:11.36 | sjhill | that works fine |
| 16:11.37 | sjhill | now |
| 16:11.43 | sjhill | i want dhcp to only listen on the aliased interface eth0:0 |
| 16:12.00 | sjhill | Feb 20 11:05:42 shill2 dhcpd: Warning: subnet 192.168.2.0/24 conflicts with subnet 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 16:12.00 | sjhill | Feb 20 11:05:42 shill2 dhcpd: Warning: subnet 10.0.0.0/24 conflicts with subnet 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 16:12.00 | sjhill | Feb 20 11:05:42 shill2 dhcpd: Interface eth0 matches multiple shared networks |
| 16:12.00 | sjhill | Feb 20 11:05:42 shill2 dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth0:0 (0.0.0.0). |
| 16:12.00 | sjhill | Feb 20 11:05:42 shill2 dhcpd: Please write a subnet declaration in your dhcpd.conf file for the |
| 16:12.01 | sjhill | Feb 20 11:05:42 shill2 dhcpd: network segment to which interface eth0:0 is attached. |
| 16:15.16 | CosmicPenguin | Where did 0.0.0.0 come from? |
| 16:18.51 | Lethal | sjhill, what happened to using a second ethernet card? lazy bastard :P |
| 16:19.32 | sjhill | Lethal: omg...the card he gave me prevented my system from booting...the whole computer just beeps when i plug in the card...crappy netgear |
| 16:25.12 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:25.29 | sjhill | hi |
| 16:25.35 | prpplague | sjhill: try the #ltsp channel jammcq for dhcp stuff |
| 16:25.52 | prpplague | kergoth: lo ho |
| 16:26.53 | Lethal | sjhill, sounds like a netgear :P |
| 16:26.53 | chouimat | hey kergoth |
| 16:27.40 | Lethal | sjhill, I'll stick with the quality of edimax :P |
| 16:27.47 | Lethal | sjhill, or potentially macronix :P |
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| 16:27.58 | prpplague | Lethal: edimax print servers? |
| 16:28.24 | Lethal | prpplague, no, just a useless generic rtl8139, but it runs at 3.3V :P |
| 16:28.36 | prpplague | Lethal: oh nics |
| 16:29.33 | CosmicPenguin | Ahhh, the good old 8139 |
| 16:29.39 | prpplague | sjhill: tell your new employeers to stop spamming me!!!!! |
| 16:29.45 | CosmicPenguin | </sarcasm> |
| 16:30.14 | Lethal | CosmicPenguin, good has nothing to do with it, not blowing up dumb mips boards is the thing that matters ;P |
| 16:35.32 | CosmicPenguin | Lethal: I was kidding... I hate that NIC |
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| 16:59.13 | sorphin | morning mr flag |
| 16:59.28 | kergoth | yo TimRiker |
| 17:04.14 | chouimat | prpplague: when do you think the hackkit will be ready for shipping? |
| 17:06.19 | sorphin | :P |
| 17:06.35 | chouimat | huh? |
| 17:06.59 | sorphin | n/m, you haven't been in here long enough to get the humor that occurs in here :P |
| 17:07.19 | chouimat | ok |
| 17:07.21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:09.19 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: not that I want to bother you much, but.... |
| 17:09.39 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: riiiight |
| 17:19.20 | signal11 | should be up any second now |
| 17:19.27 | signal11 | unless it needs fsck |
| 17:20.02 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: ext3 |
| 17:21.57 | prpplague | chouimat: depends on when i'm done testing |
| 17:22.16 | chouimat | prpplague: ok |
| 17:22.21 | prpplague | chouimat: i suspect that i won't place the order till the ides of march which means late april |
| 17:23.04 | chouimat | prpplague: ok I don't know if I will still have the money :) |
| 17:23.26 | chouimat | prpplague: taxes :( |
| 17:25.10 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: ping isn't working |
| 17:25.35 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: I bet you thought I would quit bothering you once I got canned, huh... :) |
| 17:28.04 | signal11 | 233 days since the filesystems were checked |
| 17:28.11 | signal11 | so it's doing them all |
| 17:31.37 | prpplague | chouimat: np we will work something out |
| 17:32.16 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: ok try it now |
| 17:32.18 | chouimat | prpplague: ok |
| 17:34.07 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: we're golden |
| 17:34.10 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: thx |
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| 19:08.04 | fontenot | i thought the ides of march was the 15th |
| 20:11.18 | jacques | http://www.infoplease.com/spot/ides1.html |
| 20:11.40 | jacques | The soothsayer's warning to Julius Caesar, "Beware the Ides of March," has forever imbued that date with a sense of foreboding. But in Roman times the expression "Ides of March" did not necessarily evoke a dark mood?it was simply the standard way of saying "March 15." |
| 20:12.03 | jacques | # Kalends (1st day of the month) |
| 20:12.03 | jacques | # Nones (the 7th day in March, May, July, and October; the 5th in the other months) |
| 20:12.03 | jacques | # Ides (the 15th day in March, May, July, and October; the 13th in the other months) |
| 20:12.32 | chouimat | jacques: thanks |
| 20:14.41 | jacques | :-D |
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| 20:46.04 | CosmicPenguin | What up, yo? |
| 20:46.07 | sorphin | ~lart sjhill |
| 20:46.17 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:46.19 | sorphin | 2 bots? |
| 20:46.20 | sjhill | jeez |
| 20:46.31 | sorphin | umm |
| 20:46.43 | sorphin | ulyx: identify |
| 20:46.59 | sjhill | ulyx: botsnack |
| 20:47.00 | ulyx | sjhill: schweet! |
| 20:48.11 | sorphin | hmm |
| 20:48.20 | sorphin | someone snuck a bot in here |
| 20:48.22 | sorphin | that isn't tim's |
| 20:51.11 | sorphin | ulyx: die |
| 20:51.29 | sorphin | heh, what a useless bot |
| 20:51.42 | sjhill | it's watching you |
| 20:51.55 | sorphin | ~kill sjhill |
| 20:51.57 | | ACTION slits sjhill's throat |
| 20:52.02 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:52.10 | sorphin | apparently it only understands lart :P |
| 20:52.23 | sjhill | ulyx: insult sorphin |
| 20:52.28 | ulyx | the insult server is unreachable (timeout) :( |
| 20:52.32 | sorphin | haha |
| 20:52.41 | CosmicPenguin | Cue the "breaking news" sound byte: |
| 20:52.44 | CosmicPenguin | http://news.com.com/2100-1001-985308.html?tag=fd_top |
| 20:52.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: pixil's released? :P |
| 20:53.14 | sorphin | oh, just more layoffs |
| 20:53.16 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: see any flying pigs? |
| 20:53.27 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: and they're trying to get rid of the IA division (which includes the Geode processor) |
| 20:53.43 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ah |
| 20:53.47 | sorphin | no skin off my back |
| 20:54.12 | sorphin | don't like it |
| 20:54.47 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I was just mentioning it because lots of folks round here have dealings with the Geode |
| 20:54.50 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: go back to sleep |
| 20:54.55 | sorphin | ah |
| 21:16.05 | kergoth | ibot: tomw |
| 21:16.05 | | methinks tomw is goofy, or an old geezer |
| 21:16.16 | kergoth | hm, whats his site where he's mirroring the webpal stuff from bigbrd? |
| 21:16.25 | kergoth | lost the url |
| 21:16.42 | sorphin | openhardware.net |
| 21:16.51 | sorphin | just google for openhardware.net and webal |
| 21:16.55 | kergoth | ah right |
| 21:16.56 | kergoth | thanks |
| 21:17.20 | kergoth | damnit, i need to share bookmarks between work and home |
| 21:17.28 | sorphin | ;) |
| 21:21.22 | kergoth | hm, openhardware.net down? |
| 21:21.36 | sorphin | kergoth: hold |
| 21:22.07 | sorphin | kergoth: seems so |
| 21:22.09 | kergoth | k |
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| 23:07.11 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: is marnie still there |
| 23:07.38 | signal11 | no |
| 23:07.45 | signal11 | 9-2 i think is her schedule |
| 23:07.48 | signal11 | krisg is here though |
| 23:08.00 | signal11 | if that's helpful at all |
| 23:15.25 | CosmicPenguin | nah - apparently the insurance company isn't aware that I've been fired |
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