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| 00:32.07 | sorphin | TomW: re |
| 00:33.09 | TomW | I found your simmms |
| 00:33.26 | sorphin | yeah, i saw they were 'soggy'.. |
| 00:33.28 | sorphin | they ok? |
| 00:33.44 | TomW | They were hiding out in my mailbox along with the rest of the mail. |
| 00:35.24 | sorphin | i saw |
| 00:35.38 | sorphin | i meant are they ok, as in undamaged/flashable? |
| 00:36.22 | TomW | yes, they appear to be undamaged. No, I haven't done anything with them, just woke up. |
| 00:37.06 | TomW | I'll see that they get into the mail tomorrow. |
| 00:37.59 | sorphin | the static bag should have protected the simms themselves |
| 00:38.34 | sorphin | TomW: i cut my jp1, so i shouldn't run into anymore collisions hopefully |
| 00:38.45 | sorphin | TomW: was the return envelope usable? |
| 00:40.00 | TomW | yeah, but I am not going to use it. I don't like to use letter envelopes to send parts with, the post office sorting equipment could mangle them. |
| 00:40.59 | sorphin | 'so do i owe you postage then ? |
| 00:41.15 | TomW | The padded mailers (5" X 6") that you can get from staples, forces the postoffice to treat the item diffently and the postage is the same. Just that the mailer is a bit heavier (0.5 ounce). |
| 00:41.37 | TomW | sorphin: no, get real, will you? "owe you postage" |
| 00:41.56 | sorphin | TomW: well after you bitched before if you had to cover return postage from your own pocket :P~ |
| 00:42.57 | TomW | heh, I'll just cut the corner off the return evelope and use those. |
| 00:43.02 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:43.13 | file | lol |
| 00:43.34 | sorphin | better make sure it's not visible :P (and not taped over) or they'll reject it |
| 00:43.44 | TomW | yeah |
| 00:44.06 | TomW | they get pissed if you Teflon Coat their stamps. |
| 00:44.22 | sorphin | yeah |
| 00:44.31 | sorphin | they don't like not being able to cancel the postage |
| 00:44.35 | TomW | wonder if they make a clear teflon spray? |
| 00:45.06 | sorphin | dunno |
| 00:45.23 | sorphin | so you said you got a working cramdisk? |
| 00:46.28 | TomW | yes, I tried to put enough stuff into cramfs to do stuff like get a network connection running. |
| 00:46.35 | TomW | ethernet |
| 00:46.59 | sorphin | nod |
| 00:47.16 | sorphin | well dump in whatever you can, the main thing is a working bootloader tho ;) |
| 00:47.25 | MonMotha6 | I've almost got a flash burner built, and programming it should be fairly simple |
| 00:47.36 | TomW | I have a 4Gig 2" drive that I have working on the WebPal and will need to build a file system onto it. |
| 00:47.57 | sorphin | if i can get my isapcmcia adapter working in it |
| 00:47.58 | TomW | MonMotha6: yeah, it is relatively simple to do. |
| 00:47.58 | MonMotha6 | I can also turn on the protectiosn on the chip, so I should be able to write protect the boot sector |
| 00:48.07 | sorphin | i can use my pcmcia HDDs |
| 00:48.09 | MonMotha6 | TomW: I should get a picture of it |
| 00:48.15 | MonMotha6 | it's on 4 proto boards |
| 00:48.34 | MonMotha6 | not qutie built yet |
| 00:48.47 | MonMotha6 | need another 74574 to do 16 bit mode |
| 00:49.44 | MonMotha6 | I guess I could just wire up BYTE |
| 00:49.53 | MonMotha6 | are ther any no connects on the flash SIMM? |
| 00:50.03 | MonMotha6 | just need to steal one :) |
| 00:50.23 | TomW | Yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do... I had the EMP30 programmer and Needham gave me the functional data on the adaptor for those 29F800 chips. So, I build an adaptor for the EMP30 so I could just plug the SIMM into it. |
| 00:50.35 | TomW | that was my easiest way to do it. |
| 00:50.53 | MonMotha6 | yeah, lacking a programmer, I need to build one |
| 00:51.04 | MonMotha6 | and since I'm driving it off the PC pport, using it in 8 bit mode is easier |
| 00:51.51 | TomW | MonMotha6: I would suspect that in order to get the BYTE working, you will have to unsolder the pin and lift it so you can wire to it. They have it attacehd to the +5 feed, it is not floating. |
| 00:51.52 | MonMotha6 | looks like there's a few no-connects on the header though, so I'll just wire BYTE# up to one of them |
| 00:51.58 | MonMotha6 | yeah |
| 00:52.11 | MonMotha6 | I was going to cut the trace, then put a pull up on it and bring it down to the header |
| 00:52.21 | TomW | No trace |
| 00:52.33 | MonMotha6 | let me look at it again |
| 00:53.09 | TomW | the top of the PCB is +5, the bottom plane is GND, they connected it at the pin. Look closely at the second unpopulated chip. |
| 00:53.17 | TomW | s/chip/pads/ |
| 00:53.54 | TomW | You should see a samll trace going from the copper pour to that pin pad. |
| 00:54.04 | MonMotha6 | yeah, I just seem to recall a trace |
| 00:54.07 | sorphin | s/samll/small/ :) |
| 00:54.42 | MonMotha6 | eh, you're right |
| 00:54.42 | TomW | :( eyes are still crossed from doing so much code last night. ISDN sucks! |
| 00:54.46 | MonMotha6 | I guess I'll have to lift the pin |
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| 00:55.30 | TomW | sorphin: every time I have to deal with ISDN, I get a little better at it and find out how much wierder the technology is... |
| 00:55.37 | sorphin | hehe |
| 00:55.39 | file | lol |
| 00:55.42 | sorphin | TomW: quiet robust tho |
| 00:55.45 | sorphin | quite even |
| 00:56.07 | sorphin | and you can slap repeaters/regens on it easy, hence why you can go 35k feet |
| 00:56.10 | TomW | sorphin: at least they gave me the source to their kernel module. I was toying with the idea of possibly porting the module up to the 2.4.x series of kernels. |
| 00:56.30 | sorphin | wow, you got the source outta them |
| 00:56.44 | sorphin | got lucky |
| 00:57.07 | TomW | yup, like I said, they went chapter 11 and this was released shortly befor they disappeared. |
| 00:57.54 | TomW | hah! No, I got lucky that the guy who runs the ISP is a pack rat and grabbed all the data he could off their site before they pulled the plug on it. |
| 00:58.20 | sorphin | ah |
| 00:58.28 | TomW | He didn't quite know what it was (the linux stuff). but figured it was there so take it. |
| 00:58.29 | sorphin | well, either way |
| 00:59.05 | TomW | Card seems to work as expected with the 2.2.17 kernel. I will attempt to install that box tonite to test it out. |
| 00:59.13 | sorphin | nod |
| 00:59.31 | sorphin | depending on what it uses, a port to 2.4.x should be doable |
| 01:00.13 | TomW | yeah, I haven't look at the module source, it may be too involved to bother with (diminishing returns), but then again... |
| 01:00.32 | sorphin | yeah |
| 01:00.43 | TomW | We have three of these PRI cards, one in service and two spares. |
| 01:00.50 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:01.32 | TomW | What is the difference between T1 and E1? |
| 01:01.37 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:01.48 | sorphin | an T1 is in the US |
| 01:01.55 | sorphin | an E1 is in europe |
| 01:02.06 | sorphin | and an E1 is 2.1M or somesuch |
| 01:02.11 | TomW | ah! thanks, that part of the setup config had me wondering. |
| 01:02.12 | sorphin | it's faster |
| 01:03.15 | MonMotha6 | aren't T1s 7bit while E1s are 8 bit? |
| 01:03.56 | TomW | btw, I have both of Allesandro Rubini's editions of "linux device drivers", the 2.2 and 2.4 kernel books... |
| 01:04.46 | MonMotha6 | I seem to recall reading that on T1s every 8th data bit is ignored, while E1s use the bit |
| 01:04.50 | MonMotha6 | maybe it was something else |
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| 01:48.08 | sorphin | prpplague: lo dave |
| 01:48.13 | prpplague | ho ho frellin ho |
| 01:48.15 | prpplague | sorphin: sup |
| 01:49.55 | sorphin | prpplague: jacques got the last of the webpals at surplus |
| 01:50.02 | sorphin | so you're it if you ever get that pallet |
| 01:51.30 | prpplague | sorphin: i didn't order mine from surplus |
| 01:51.37 | prpplague | it was from the other place |
| 01:51.49 | prpplague | sorphin: but no, they never charged my CC |
| 01:51.57 | sorphin | i know |
| 01:52.20 | sorphin | i was saying if you ever did get your pallet from that other place, you'd be the source |
| 01:52.43 | prpplague | ya, i was planning to call them again |
| 01:53.32 | prpplague | sorphin: crap, i don't have the url anymore either |
| 01:53.36 | prpplague | sorphin: you got it? |
| 01:54.39 | prpplague | ibot: webpal |
| 01:54.40 | | from memory, webpal is a set top box appliance that can run Linux. see http://webpal.bigbrd.com/, or http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html, or only $13 + shipping!, or schematics are available from: http://www.geocities.com/webpalstuff/ |
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| 01:59.00 | sorphin | hold |
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| 02:00.11 | prpplague | sorphin: bbiaf |
| 02:01.37 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:03.07 | sorphin | prpplague: can't find it now. |
| 02:17.51 | fontenot | yeah prpplague I will want more if you ever get yours |
| 02:18.09 | fontenot | one of mine doesn't even have an AC adaptor |
| 02:18.20 | fontenot | BIAW - food |
| 02:56.21 | GPSFan_ | prpplague: it's http://www.liquidations.com/webpals.htm |
| 03:09.42 | fontenot | wow I was at weirdstuff today and I found what appears to be a pre-made serial level convertor board |
| 03:10.16 | fontenot | it was attached to a db9<->db9 serial cable and has a 10pin ribbon cable and header |
| 03:10.23 | fontenot | has a max202cpe on it |
| 03:10.33 | fontenot | I looked for a long time but cound not find any more :-( |
| 03:18.09 | sorphin | nod |
| 03:30.53 | fontenot | hmm looking at the datasheets it looks like the difference between 202 and 232 is the data rates :-( |
| 03:31.53 | fontenot | tho I am getting conflicting information |
| 03:32.43 | sorphin | well |
| 03:32.50 | sorphin | not like we're using blazing speed here :P |
| 03:33.02 | sorphin | not even using flow control, so.. |
| 03:33.16 | fontenot | the more I look the less I understand the differnce between their 202 and 232 |
| 03:33.33 | fontenot | I do need 115kB/s tho |
| 03:33.38 | fontenot | kb/s |
| 03:33.41 | fontenot | dangit |
| 03:34.12 | sorphin | they should both atleast do 115 |
| 03:35.43 | fontenot | then I really dont understand the difference between them - everyone says to use the 232, nobody mentions the 202 |
| 03:36.09 | fontenot | so far all sites I have seen have same specs for both |
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| 03:41.10 | fontenot | cool! I found this: http://www.kronosrobotics.com/an126/GAN126.htm |
| 03:41.56 | fontenot | dang - it claims max speed of 202 is 64kb/s |
| 03:42.12 | fontenot | tho maxim site claims 120 and 64 depending when you look |
| 03:43.52 | GPSFan_ | fontenot: that's what the Maxim datasheet says, 202 is 64kbps but only needs .1uf caps. |
| 03:45.12 | fontenot | GPSFan_: however, look at the datarate on this page: http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/1369/ln/en |
| 03:46.08 | sorphin | fone: you can get away w/ 64k :P |
| 03:46.23 | sorphin | fontenot: ^ ^ |
| 03:46.41 | sorphin | doing > 57.6k w/o flow control is dodgy at best anyways |
| 03:47.19 | fontenot | dont we routinely do it to the ipaq and tuxscreen? |
| 03:47.24 | fontenot | 115.2 |
| 03:48.03 | sorphin | umm |
| 03:48.15 | sorphin | that doesn't mean it's not risky :P |
| 03:48.17 | fontenot | the only reason I am concerned is because one of the webpal pages I was reading today said to be sure your level convertor could do 115 |
| 03:48.38 | sorphin | that's because the bootstrap is set to 115.2 |
| 03:48.38 | fontenot | because something (bootldr?) is hardwired at that rate |
| 03:48.41 | fontenot | yeah that |
| 03:48.45 | sorphin | umm |
| 03:48.48 | sorphin | "hardwired" |
| 03:48.58 | sorphin | if you have access to the source, which you do, you can change that :P |
| 03:49.18 | fontenot | ah well what do you expect for $2 :-D |
| 03:49.23 | sorphin | right |
| 03:55.58 | GPSFan_ | fontenot: yeah, you are correct, I was looking at the datasheet for the max220-249 which lists the 200-213 as reference and lists only the 202 as being 64k. for $2 you can't complain too much. ;>) |
| 03:56.15 | prpplague | ibot: rs1 |
| 03:56.16 | | prpplague: bugger all, i dunno |
| 03:56.32 | prpplague | ibot: ttl to rs-232 |
| 03:56.32 | | hmm... ttl to rs-232 is http://www.al-williams.com/rs1.htm |
| 03:56.42 | prpplague | fontenot: try that one |
| 03:58.00 | fontenot | yeah my board looks a lot like that one but has tiny smt caps (0.1uf I assume) and only cost $2 including a serial cable and ribbon cable :-) |
| 03:58.11 | fontenot | if onyl they had more |
| 03:58.21 | fontenot | i would have bought some for all my tuxscreens and webpals |
| 03:59.34 | fontenot | why are all these boards so expensive - $17.95 ? |
| 03:59.39 | fontenot | there's nothing on them |
| 03:59.47 | fontenot | but a $2 chip |
| 04:00.16 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:00.49 | sorphin | if it's a 232 or 233 it's a $3+ chip, plus you have the board cost, the smt components, time to make |
| 04:08.58 | MonMotha6 | sorphin: looks like it's all through-hole |
| 04:10.30 | fontenot | all the ones I have seen online are |
| 04:10.42 | MonMotha6 | I can build them for about $7 each |
| 04:10.46 | MonMotha6 | but that's not including labor |
| 04:11.15 | MonMotha6 | it takes me about 5-10min (depding on if I have equipment set up or not) to build it, so add that in too, then testing, etc |
| 04:11.21 | MonMotha6 | and that's on a proto board, not a custom thing |
| 04:11.24 | MonMotha6 | so it's a bit bigger |
| 04:12.10 | MonMotha6 | making things in small quantities just isn't cheap |
| 04:16.07 | fontenot | yep |
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| 04:36.12 | legodude_ | hrm |
| 04:36.30 | legodude_ | I've cured my gdb/webpal problems |
| 04:36.36 | legodude_ | now wpflash is giving me issues |
| 04:36.49 | legodude_ | bash-2.05b# ./wpflash -nowait read all webpal.backup.image |
| 04:36.49 | legodude_ | Attempting to contact programmer... |
| 04:37.01 | legodude_ | anyone know why? |
| 04:39.49 | legodude_ | sometimes it will get as far as: |
| 04:39.50 | legodude_ | bash-2.05b# ./wpflash -nowait read all webpal.backup.image |
| 04:39.51 | legodude_ | Attempting to contact programmer...done |
| 04:39.51 | legodude_ | Initializing flash... |
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| 04:41.24 | legodude_ | does wpflash depend on more than just rx/tx? |
| 05:18.53 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 05:41.03 | MonMotha6 | legodude_: I had my RTS/CTS lines hooked up and it still didn't work |
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| 15:08.10 | sorphin | to add to the humilliation |
| 15:08.35 | sjhill | aaaahhh |
| 15:11.17 | sorphin | ;) |
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| 15:44.51 | CosmicPenguin | Friends, Romans, Countrymen! |
| 15:45.14 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: whats the deal with that GNU Radio stuff? Cheap and effective? |
| 15:45.27 | signal11 | not necessarily either, actually |
| 15:45.50 | signal11 | apparently you need some $$$ equipment ($1k or more) |
| 15:45.54 | CosmicPenguin | doh |
| 15:46.10 | signal11 | looks like there is a conexant chipset that might be available soon |
| 15:46.41 | fontenot | yeah I looked into it |
| 15:46.48 | fontenot | the card they have a driver for goes for $1299 |
| 15:47.07 | signal11 | i just forwarded you a message about it |
| 15:47.30 | signal11 | apparently it is a card made for the korean market but the signals are similar enough that it might be possible to use here |
| 15:47.53 | fontenot | that's not counting antennas and amps |
| 15:48.17 | signal11 | http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=209915 |
| 15:48.47 | signal11 | mostly about windows, but apparently there is linux code available |
| 15:50.08 | fontenot | " Using Conexant Bt878" hmmmI wasnt aware that chip could do > 720x480 NTSC |
| 15:53.02 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: Its just a matter of time |
| 15:53.39 | fontenot | slashdot is getting stupider by the day |
| 15:54.01 | CosmicPenguin | fontenot: I think its just that we are getting older... :) |
| 15:54.14 | fontenot | according to slashdot I own a 16-was SMP system |
| 15:54.19 | fontenot | 16-way |
| 15:54.41 | fontenot | because I have 16 total processors in 15 different computers |
| 15:55.14 | fontenot | timothy claims that 4 epia boards running off the same power supply == 4-way smp |
| 15:56.41 | signal11 | bt 878a |
| 15:56.51 | signal11 | not sure if that is different from a regular 878 or what |
| 15:57.07 | fontenot | it's same resolution as I said |
| 15:57.15 | fontenot | all boards these days use the a |
| 15:57.38 | fontenot | I dunno what the 878 is used for on that board tho |
| 15:58.00 | fontenot | it's an analog capture and overlay display chip |
| 15:58.15 | fontenot | why would they need it for digital capture? |
| 15:58.17 | signal11 | i see |
| 15:58.44 | signal11 | i guess it's time to put my wintv-hd on ebay |
| 15:58.59 | fontenot | lol " Good and crispy picture quality" |
| 16:01.04 | fontenot | i wish there was any hdtv tuner card with linux drivers |
| 16:01.19 | fontenot | well I guess there's the $1299 card... |
| 16:01.50 | CosmicPenguin | fontenot: We should start a #elinux reference design... :) |
| 16:01.54 | signal11 | there are several that are Really expensive ($10k). |
| 16:02.15 | CosmicPenguin | fontenot: kind of like what openhardware.net does... :) |
| 16:02.43 | signal11 | targetted at content producers, apparently |
| 16:02.56 | fontenot | hmm |
| 16:03.51 | signal11 | any idea what is a "Fusion 878A"? |
| 16:05.00 | fontenot | not sure |
| 16:06.39 | signal11 | whatever it is, it claims to be able to send ATSC to a PCI bus, and there is apparently linux support |
| 16:06.39 | fontenot | hmm looks like they are only using the 878 to dma data over the pci bus and talk to the tuner using its gpio |
| 16:07.43 | signal11 | so it looks like a bt 848a with additional features |
| 16:07.59 | signal11 | specifically, pc99, atsc, dvb. |
| 16:08.11 | signal11 | http://www.peritek.com/878A_prod_brief.pdf |
| 16:08.42 | signal11 | now to find a card that uses it and is ch34p |
| 16:09.09 | fontenot | signal11: almost all consumer cheap tv capture/tuner cards these days use the 878a |
| 16:09.28 | fontenot | i was using them in 1999 under linux |
| 16:09.49 | fontenot | the hauppauge wintv is a classic example |
| 16:10.13 | fontenot | avermedia, pinnacle, and many others make 878a capture/tuner cards |
| 16:21.29 | signal11 | well if that chip can to atsc digital, then it might work; even if it can only display the lower resolutions |
| 16:21.29 | signal11 | i just want to capture the raw 20mb stream |
| 16:21.29 | signal11 | and display with mplayer or something |
| 16:26.05 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: technically, we don't even need a hardware mpeg encoder - especially if it keeps prices down |
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| 16:33.08 | kergoth | andersee: hey erik, up early are we? |
| 16:33.10 | kergoth | morning all |
| 16:33.49 | andersee | kergoth: yep |
| 16:43.14 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I thought you were in barbados |
| 16:47.51 | sorphin | wish i wasn't up |
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| 16:52.20 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:55.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: naw, didn't get to go |
| 16:56.17 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 16:56.49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: too badd |
| 16:56.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yep |
| 16:57.43 | sorphin | prpplague: lo grumpy |
| 17:05.31 | CosmicPenguin | signal11_: what was marnie's extension again |
| 17:10.48 | signal11_ | 138 |
| 17:13.29 | CosmicPenguin | signal11_: thanks |
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| 19:02.38 | ade|lite | morning all |
| 19:19.14 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 19:36.36 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=sbc&Post=124&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session= |
| 19:39.43 | GPSFan | hi prpplague: |
| 19:41.32 | prpplague | GPSFan: howdy |
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| 19:48.28 | GPSFan | prpplague: did you ever get your pallet of webpals? |
| 20:02.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: negative |
| 20:02.50 | prpplague | GPSFan: i've been a little busy, else i would have called to get the order straigh |
| 20:02.56 | prpplague | GPSFan: they never charged my CC |
| 20:17.00 | TimRiker | http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=101213 <- price challenge? |
| 20:19.37 | jacques | prpplague: well if you get the time keep plugging at them - we need more webpals!! :-) |
| 20:20.18 | prpplague | jacques: probably try this week to get in touch with them |
| 20:20.23 | prpplague | jacques: how many do you need |
| 20:20.33 | TimRiker | prpplague: how many did you order? |
| 20:20.34 | prpplague | jacques: ? |
| 20:20.40 | prpplague | TimRiker: i ordered 40 |
| 20:20.46 | jacques | I will want at least 2 with all the trimmings |
| 20:20.59 | prpplague | jacques: ahh, ok |
| 20:21.19 | jacques | sorry if you thought I meant I needed like 20 :-D |
| 20:21.33 | prpplague | jacques: np, just wondering |
| 20:21.41 | jacques | maybe if someone figures out how to use the FPU... |
| 20:21.52 | jacques | there will be more demand for use as mp3 players |
| 20:22.20 | prpplague | jacques: agreed |
| 20:22.45 | prpplague | TimRiker: did you need some as well? |
| 20:23.10 | prpplague | TimRiker: i've got one set aside for you already, just been a little busy with this wife/hospital thing |
| 20:23.37 | MonMotha6 | ah true, linux doesn't support the FPU on the thing |
| 20:24.36 | TimRiker | well "need" would be a strong word. ;-) |
| 20:24.42 | prpplague | TimRiker: btw, so embedix has spun out on its own....and they left you behind....sounds like they lost out |
| 20:24.54 | prpplague | TimRiker: lol |
| 20:25.19 | prpplague | TimRiker: i'm gonna try real hard to get all my shipping done this week |
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| 20:25.33 | TimRiker | prpplague: yep. Lineo->Embedix->Metrowerks. I don't see eye2eye with new management. |
| 20:25.53 | TimRiker | I think they will continue on the downward spiral of death. it's unfortunate. |
| 20:26.39 | prpplague | TimRiker: hmmm, i just read an article that said something about metrowerks->Embedix |
| 20:27.39 | prpplague | TimRiker: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6091968035.html |
| 20:28.14 | prpplague | TimRiker: ahh, didn't read properly |
| 20:45.12 | TimRiker | uSolutions. hmm. ;-) |
| 20:51.13 | prpplague | TimRiker: hmm is that after the uLayoffs? |
| 20:51.56 | TimRiker | uWonder |
| 21:16.41 | GPSFan | prpplague: no hurry, I was wondering if you will need serial adapters for yours, I'm thinking of ordering 20 boards. but only if there is a need for them. |
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| 21:23.07 | jacques | GPSFan: boards? |
| 21:27.18 | GPSFan | jacques: I did a dual serial port layout using a Max225, I'm about ready to have some made. looking for interest. |
| 21:28.32 | jacques | GPSFan: what's te max datarate on those? |
| 21:32.11 | GPSFan | jacques: my datasheet says 120kbps typ. |
| 21:32.36 | MonMotha6 | MAX232 equiv. parts are rated for 120kbps |
| 21:32.56 | MonMotha6 | so youc an do 115.2, but not 230.4 (which isn't usually a big deal as most PCs can't handle 230.4) |
| 21:36.33 | GPSFan | jacques: I chose that part because Maxim samples it, it is "fast enough", has enough for two ports, and no external caps (other than VCC bypass). |
| 21:40.34 | MonMotha6 | GPSFan: enough for two ports with or without RTS/CTS? |
| 21:41.25 | GPSFan | MonMotha6: with, TXD, RXD, CTS, RTS. |
| 21:41.59 | MonMotha6 | wow, it has 4 drivers and 4 receivers? |
| 21:42.03 | MonMotha6 | I didn't know they made on ethat big |
| 21:42.22 | GPSFan | MonMotha6: actually 5 drivers & receivers. |
| 21:58.20 | prpplague | GPSFan: naw, i've been building my boards by hand |
| 21:58.39 | prpplague | GPSFan: well wait |
| 21:58.58 | prpplague | GPSFan: if i order a large qty, it might be nice to include them in the box with the units |
| 21:59.04 | prpplague | GPSFan: let me think about it |
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| 22:31.08 | jacques | GPSFan: sorry I was at lunch |
| 22:31.55 | jacques | GPSFan: those boards sound cool then - how much ? and do you have any pics? |
| 22:34.27 | jacques | GPSFan: I was only concerned about 115.2 |
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| 22:54.46 | file | SIMMs, SIMMs, and more SIMMs... |
| 22:56.00 | file | MonMotha6: I concur |
| 22:56.15 | MonMotha6 | 4 IRC servers up, 15 channels across all 4 servers, and a DCC chat with a bot on EFNet |
| 22:56.26 | MonMotha6 | I need more room on my tab bar in xchat :) |
| 22:56.31 | file | MonMotha6: is your brain's multi-tasking ability able to cope? |
| 22:57.21 | CosmicPenguin | Its kinda cold here today |
| 22:57.50 | file | who was it that was offering me that mobo and CPU... no I don't want it |
| 22:58.46 | MonMotha6 | working on memory setup now |
| 22:59.24 | MonMotha6 | of course such a port also intaisl porting it to the clps7500 |
| 23:00.10 | jacques | I wonder how much work is involved in getting the FPU working on the webpal |
| 23:00.15 | MonMotha6 | which is kinda difficult since I'm not very familiar with the BLOB codebase |
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| 23:16.55 | MonMotha6 | ibot seen prpplague |
| 23:16.57 | | prpplague <~JoeBob1@12.148.134.9> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 1h 17m 53s ago, saying: 'GPSFan: let me think about it'. |
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| 23:47.03 | file | the SIMMs are here... the SIMMs are here... the SIMMs are here... the SIMMs are here... in the mobo, the mighty mobo - the SIMM it stands upright... |
| 23:47.10 | file | in the mobo, the mighty mobo the SIMM it caught on fire |
| 23:47.15 | file | a whimaway a whimaway... |
| 23:48.00 | GPSFan | jacques: sorry, I was outside, boards are not fab'd yet, I have the layout done. http://www.paonia.com/~kenm/WebPal/wpdscomp.pdf |
| 23:49.08 | jacques | wow you're using a smt max? cool |
| 23:50.03 | jacques | very neat - that must be an expensive chip - dual drivers and no external caps |
| 23:50.16 | GPSFan | jacques: as to how much, it depends on the quantity I have fab'd. it would be a solder it yourself, get the chip & connectors, etc. yourself. |
| 23:50.41 | jacques | GPSFan: yeah that's probably the best way to do it - that's my preferred solution |
| 23:50.50 | jacques | GPSFan: oops |
| 23:51.06 | jacques | I mean the solder yourself is what I want - getting the chips etc can be a pain |
| 23:51.06 | GPSFan | jacques: If I have 50 boards made my cost is a bit over $US5.00 each. |
| 23:51.20 | jacques | esp in tiny quantities |
| 23:51.34 | jacques | hmm I havent soldered smt before |
| 23:51.43 | GPSFan | maxim samples those parts, I have 2 here on my desk. that's why I chose them. |
| 23:52.04 | file | everybody likes Maxim's samples system :) |
| 23:52.12 | jacques | yeah I saw tht while looking at their site this weekend |
| 23:52.24 | jacques | what's the max # samples one can get? 2? 4? |
| 23:52.36 | GPSFan | some parts they do, some they don't and some they lie about. |
| 23:53.08 | GPSFan | each time you ask you usually get 2. |
| 23:53.27 | jacques | lie? :-\ |
| 23:54.23 | GPSFan | yep, they say they sample a part, take the sample order, and never send it. happened to me several times. I've been buying/sampling maxim parts for almost 10 years. |
| 23:54.36 | file | GPSFan: Do they know your name yet? :) |
| 23:55.13 | GPSFan | yep, I used to go through distribution for samples, then they told me it was faster to just go to the web site. |
| 23:55.25 | file | :) |
| 23:55.54 | file | they must spend a fortune on postage LOL |
| 23:56.29 | jacques | cool I think I will give their sample system a visit |
| 23:56.36 | GPSFan | I once couldn't get a certain part through distribution, and wound up getting about 100 samples, 2 at a time via the sample system. |
| 23:56.44 | jacques | too bad I cant just pick up samples -they are in sunnyvale I think |
| 23:57.22 | file | that's where my mobo and CPU came from... Sunnyvale |
| 23:57.48 | GPSFan | file: TI is the one who spends a fortune on sample postage they use FedEX overnight. Maxim uses USPS. |
| 23:57.59 | file | GPSFan: oh ic |
| 23:58.25 | file | GPSFan: I know Intel spends good money on their literature.... my Intel reference manuals came Fedex International Priority |
| 23:58.29 | file | weighed 7.75lbs! |
| 23:59.12 | GPSFan | file: go to IDF sometime and see what kind of $ they spend. |
| 23:59.40 | file | Maxim sent my stuff USPS Airmail... came with water stains on it... |