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00:33.20CosmicPenguinWhew.. only 4 more plugins to go
00:33.54filebbl - going to install Windows 95 on laptop
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00:47.31filehello Russ
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03:37.09sorphinsjhill: evening
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03:58.20sjhillhi sorphin
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04:24.40cosmic_eatingdedication?
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04:28.37sjhilloh, yeah...that must be it
04:29.35kergoths/dedication/money/;
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07:38.28TomWgood thing I have a computer, otherwise I wouldn't know what day it was... :(
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16:18.33sorphinprpplague: morning mr purple plague sir
16:18.48Mornhi all
16:18.58prpplaguesorphin: thats dude to you
16:19.02prpplagueMorn: lo
16:19.05Mornstupid programmers...
16:19.11sorphinprpplague: i thought it was corporate bitch?
16:19.20sorphinMorn: hmm?
16:20.11MornI got an AirCard from Sierra Wireless for my pocket pc
16:20.21Mornand you can send SMS messages through it
16:20.29Mornso I wanted to setup Mobile AIM via SMS
16:20.52Mornbut you need to send a message to a 4 digit number, and the SMS software things you need 7 digits for a ligit SMS number
16:21.32sorphinheh
16:22.17Mornthe end result is the send button doesn't even get activated til you put 7 digits in
16:22.23sorphinnod
16:22.31CosmicPenguinheh
16:22.38sorphini've never put in less than 10 digits for an sms message
16:22.52Mornwell these are special numbers for the provider
16:23.00Mornonly mean anything on the Verizon network
16:23.07sorphinheh
16:23.24Mornwell the AirCard is WAY cool
16:23.36Mornand the fact that I can use it in both my laptop and my PocketPC is very nic
16:23.38sorphins/WAY cool/overpriced/
16:23.39Mornnice
16:23.45sorphin:P
16:24.06MornI don't know...  
16:24.12sorphini'm still annoyed w/ them because i live right on the edge of verizon
16:24.17sorphinright by a sprint tower
16:24.40sorphinand their damn PRL forces the phone to hang on to verizon for as long as it can, so even if the sprint signal is better
16:24.44Mornoh, when they ditched the sprint aggrement
16:24.58sorphinit'll hang onto that .5 of verizon signal
16:25.23sorphini have to get where it can't even FIND verizon for it to extended network roam
16:25.29sorphinheh, they didn't ditch anything
16:26.30Mornthey ditched the agreement here
16:26.39Mornmy service went to hell when they did that
16:26.42sorphinwell, this isn't NY ;)
16:26.54MornThere are very little digital service in my county
16:27.00Mornbut that is starting to change
16:27.16MornLitchfield County, CT is just backwards when it comes to putting up digital towers
16:27.21sorphinthe sprint cell is at the end of my street on top of some high tension towers
16:27.48sorphinwhen i'm on that cell, i have full strength in the *basement*
16:28.18sorphini'm going to have a chat w/ hte person at verizon who deals w/ where they put cells
16:28.37CosmicPenguinHere we have Cell towers that look like fake trees
16:28.56sorphinif they're not gonna let me force roam to sprint when i'm at home, i intend to get them to try and put a verizon cell on top of one of the other high tension towers (we have enough of them :P )
16:29.13CosmicPenguinUgliest damn thing you ever saw - a huge metal tower painted brown with fake branches protruding every which way
16:29.15sorphinatleast tmobile/voicestream let me manually pick the signal i wanted
16:29.26sorphinCosmicPenguin: only in utah :P
16:31.06CosmicPenguinsorphin: the way I see it, at least we have real trees
16:31.14CosmicPenguinUnlike other states I could mention
16:31.26sorphinlike ?
16:31.32sorphinwe have plenty of real trees
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16:32.17kergothTimRiker: hey tim
16:32.52CosmicPenguinsorphin: you keep reminding yourself that....
16:33.16sorphinCosmicPenguin: um.. i don't need to "remind myself" of anything
16:33.49CosmicPenguinAnyway, is it just me or is the sourceforge CVS acting up today?
16:34.29sorphinCosmicPenguin: it's probably just you
16:34.33sorphinas usual
16:34.48chouimatmorning
16:34.56kergothhey chouimat
16:35.11CosmicPenguinsorphin: http://chblue.com/artman/publish/printer_1115.shtml
16:35.13CosmicPenguinThats kinda funny
16:35.23chouimatCosmicPenguin: cvs on sourceforget sucks for the last 3 weeks]
16:35.48sorphinCosmicPenguin: that's nice, too bad i'm not actually IN st louis :P
16:36.17CosmicPenguinsorphin: and I'm not really in Salt Lake, but thats just semantics isn't it?
16:36.39sorphinnot really
16:37.23sorphinif i say 'st louis' when someone asks me where i'm from, it's *only* because no one would have ever heard of florissant, mo :P
16:37.32sorphinalthough, oddly enough
16:37.39sorphinflorissant is in the oxford atlas
16:37.45sorphinas i found out when i was in england
16:38.20sorphinchouimat: bonjour
16:38.36chouimatsorphin: salut
16:39.41sorphinchouimat: Comment allez-vous?
16:40.19chouimatsorphin: tired
16:41.54chouimatsorphin: need my 1st coffee
16:41.58sorphinhehe
16:43.18sorphinkergoth: i used to be a dew addict, tho it never did anything for me
16:43.26sorphincaffeine does squat to me
16:43.52kergothyeah, doesnt do much here either anymore, unfortunate
16:43.59kergothI should order a case of bawls. thats good stuff
16:44.27kergothhah
16:44.48prpplaguekergoth: bastard
16:44.58prpplaguekergoth: they are next to impossible to get around here
16:45.01sorphindamn chick down in the cafeteria kept trying to pawn that crap off on me, i refuse to drink something called bawls, i don't care how it's spelled
16:46.39CosmicPenguinHeh... I can buy a bawls in the grocery store now
16:46.48chouimatbawls???????
16:46.59sorphinCosmicPenguin: good, now maybe you'll finally have some :P *duck*
16:47.07kergothhah
16:47.11sorphinchouimat: some lame caffeinated water
16:47.14sorphinor something
16:47.18CosmicPenguinsorphin: heaven knows I need some
16:47.22kergoth~lart sorphin
16:47.41CosmicPenguinsorphin: My last job striped them from me completely
16:47.45prpplaguechouimat: http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/drinks/2818/
16:47.47sorphin~fishslap kergoth for acting like a digi employee
16:47.48ACTION slaps kergoth up side the head with a wet fish for acting like a digi employee
16:47.48chouimatsorphin: ok so I won't have that here
16:48.25chouimatprpplague: sound good
16:48.39sorphinkergoth: don't you have an RC to work on? :P
16:49.42kergothsorphin: actually yeah, waiting for it to compile :)
16:49.53sorphinkergoth: cool
16:50.13sorphinkergoth: if it weren't for the name, maybe i'd try bawls, but i can't get past that stupid name
16:50.48sorphinhaha, it's non exportable
16:51.25chouimatyou know guys are not difficult if there no kleenex left we use toilette paper, no more toilette paper, pas we just take scott towel, no scott towel ....... honey do we have coffee filter left?
16:51.42kergothsorphin: http://www.openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/TODO
16:51.44sorphinhmm.. looking at thinkgeek reminds me.. i should get some vodka and redbull
16:51.56sorphingood stuff
16:52.08sorphinchouimat: umm...
16:52.29chouimatsorphin: it's a joke , too relax the atmosphere
16:53.32sorphinkergoth: i have sysv init boot structure btw
16:53.35sorphinerm
16:53.37sorphins/have/hate/
16:53.46kergothyeah, me too
16:53.54kergothwhich is why I want a need(8) based init
16:53.56sorphinone nice config file
16:54.15sorphinkergoth: ever looked at singlefilerc?
16:54.31sorphinforget the real name of it
16:54.40kergothhavent, url?
16:54.46sorphinrcS parses a config file that looks like
16:54.50kergothi'll add it to our build so its an option
16:55.28sorphinminiflood
16:55.29sorphin# This file was automatically generated by /usr/lib/file-rc/rclink2file.sh.
16:55.30sorphin# You can use your favourite editor or "./update-rc.d" to modify it.
16:55.30sorphin#
16:55.30sorphin# Format:
16:55.30sorphin# <sort> <off-> <on-levels>     <command>
16:55.31sorphin#01     0,1,6   -               /etc/init.d/xdm
16:55.33sorphin05      -       1               /etc/init.d/single
16:55.35sorphin05      -       S               /etc/init.d/keymaps-lct.sh
16:55.37sorphin05      -       S               /etc/init.d/keymap.sh
16:55.39sorphin10      -       2,3,4,5         /etc/init.d/sysklogd
16:55.41sorphin10      -       2,3,4,5         /etc/init.d/watchdog
16:55.43sorphinthat's how the config file looks
16:55.57sorphinmay not be much, but i sure as fsck like it better than 500000000000 symlinks
16:56.00kergothheh, so its a text version of the links
16:56.02kergothproblem with that is
16:56.08kergothhow do newly installed packages add their links?
16:56.15kergothit'd require user intervention continually
16:56.17sorphinthere are no links
16:56.39sorphina package can just put their line in w/ the sequence #, runlevels, and command
16:56.54kergothheh
16:56.55sorphinthe #'s on hte left are the sequence #'s
16:57.05kergothpostinst's editing text files is bad policy
16:57.09sorphinall 5s get done before 10s, etc
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16:57.27sorphinjust append to the file *shrug*
16:57.51sorphineasier to track than a bunch of symlinks
16:57.53kergothand remove its entry in prerm using grep -v? ew
16:57.56kergoth:)
16:58.58sorphinfrom the readme
16:58.59sorphinA config file for runlevels
16:58.59sorphin---------------------------
16:58.59sorphinThe traditional "SysV" scheme of implementing runlevels is through links
16:58.59sorphinin "/etc/rc?.d/*". The main problem with this links is that you can't
16:58.59sorphinget easily a survey of your setup.
16:59.01sorphinI rewrote the "rc"-program so it handles _one_ config file instead of
16:59.03sorphinmany links in "/etc/rc?.d/*".
16:59.25sorphinit's got a debian package
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16:59.44kergothoh its cool, just saying its got downsides
16:59.47kergothbut then, so do them all
16:59.52kergothi'll add it to our system as an option
16:59.59sorphinkergoth: and has a script to convery sysv to file-rc
17:00.03kergothin fact, OZ will be more flexible with regard to init than debian or any other distro to date
17:00.05sorphinconvert
17:00.07kergothheh
17:00.47sorphinand last but not least
17:00.49sorphinAdvantages beside the easeness:
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17:01.04sorphin:P
17:01.27kergothlike i said, i'll play with it and add it to the system and feeds
17:01.41kergothbah :)
17:01.57kergothI need to get outta tech support before i go ballistic
17:02.19sorphinhmm
17:02.33sorphinkergoth: just thought of something scary
17:02.46sorphinpixil+oz ?
17:03.26sorphinprolly won't fit there either, but you could cram it on a CF/mmc card
17:03.32kergothhow big is it?
17:03.41sorphinCosmicPenguin: yo, you're on :P
17:03.55chouimatkergoth: it's not so big
17:04.10kergoththen sure, its an option
17:04.17kergoththat reminds me, i need to add evas to our buildsystem
17:04.28sorphinevas ?
17:04.37kergothsorphin: rasterman's current project
17:04.49kergothsorphin: canvasing library, used in e17, and works on PDAs like the ipaq
17:04.51kergothits so.. perty
17:05.23sorphinanother coder w/ a pseudo god complex, thinking enlightenment was gonna take over the world :P
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17:10.05sievemoanin all
17:10.33kergothhey sieve
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17:26.14CosmicPenguindie spam robot die!
17:27.56sorphinCosmicPenguin: yo.. scroll up mr pixil
17:31.04MornCosmicPenguin: speaking of pixil, any status reports on pixil being released?
17:31.11Mornthe opensource version that is
17:32.32CosmicPenguinWhat?
17:32.56CosmicPenguinMorn: I am working on it right now
17:33.08Morncool
17:33.32CosmicPenguinI'm making a Tuxscreen version as we speak, so I can prove to sorphin that it really exists
17:33.51anderseeCosmicPenguin: :-)
17:33.59CosmicPenguinI can hand out binaries, just not source code (yet)
17:34.00anderseeCosmicPenguin: do keep us posted
17:34.10Mornooooh!
17:34.12CosmicPenguinandersee: of course - I need to figure out why my dlopen() calls are not open
17:34.13sorphinCosmicPenguin: how bout one to cram into OZ ?
17:34.21Mornplease count me in the 'I want binaries' list
17:34.28sorphinCosmicPenguin: blame andersee's coding ;)
17:34.38CosmicPenguinsorphin: as soon as my Z shows up, I'm going full bore on OZ
17:34.48CosmicPenguinI still need to fix a hand full of bugs before Greg is satisified
17:35.01CosmicPenguinPersonally, I think its stable enough to release right now, and let *you* people fix the bugs.. ;)
17:35.01sorphinCosmicPenguin: when's your Z supposed to get there?
17:35.07CosmicPenguinsorphin: I dunno
17:35.31sorphinCosmicPenguin: well, depending on size, kergoth's all for it ;)
17:35.38anderseeibot: insult sorphin
17:36.30Morndoes the insult command use the colorado.edu server?
17:37.01CosmicPenguinsorphin: x86 glibc version of pixil is sitting at 5.4 MB right now
17:37.03sorphinibot: cluebat andersee
17:37.04ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps andersee.
17:37.11anderseeoww
17:37.19CosmicPenguinWith 1.1 MB of that being images and crap
17:37.35sorphinCosmicPenguin: what format of images?
17:37.41CosmicPenguinsorphin: sadly, .xpm
17:37.56CosmicPenguinsorphin: its for a Microwindows port of XBill I did about 3 years ago
17:37.59Mornwell good folks I'm going to find some lunch
17:38.12CosmicPenguinsorphin: plus .GIF files, because we didn't have .PNG working correctly when Pixil was first written
17:38.17kergothsorphin: i'm all for it even if its unreasonably large. my c700 has 64mb of flash for gods sake
17:38.35CosmicPenguinkergoth: If it doesn't fit on the Tuxscreen, its not fit for release... :)
17:38.37sorphinkergoth: well, as he just said, it's 5.4M on glibc/x86, so...
17:38.38CosmicPenguinkergoth: thats my motto
17:38.52kergothibot: pixil
17:38.53kergoth: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?
17:39.06sorphinandersee: serves you right for having a b0rked dlopen :P
17:39.19anderseeCosmicPenguin: actually, xpm is probably good for jffs2....
17:39.33sorphinandersee: hows that?
17:39.37anderseesorphin: I think CosmicPenguin is b0rked.  dlopen works for me
17:39.45anderseesorphin: they'll compress well
17:40.07kergothCosmicPenguin: sounds like its smaller than opie, so its fine for oz
17:41.31sorphinandersee: well, true, seeing as xpm's are text files :P
17:43.04kergothheh
17:43.14kergothCosmicPenguin: pixil looks alot like qtopia
17:45.13CosmicPenguinkergoth: yeah
17:45.22CosmicPenguinkergoth: we're all insestious
17:45.51kergoth:)
17:53.00CosmicPenguinandersee: quick question?  You familiar with ttyname(0) returning null with glibc and busybox on a cramfs filesystem?
17:53.21anderseeCosmicPenguin: hmm
17:54.11CosmicPenguinandersee: I've seen it before, but I never really cared
17:54.26CosmicPenguinandersee: but now, I have a situation with a ftp client trying to read a password
17:54.48anderseeCosmicPenguin: there used to be such a problem with ttyname
17:54.55andersee#if 0
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17:55.43CosmicPenguinthats from glibc?
17:55.46CosmicPenguinor from uclibc?
17:56.03CosmicPenguinargh!
17:56.05anderseeuClibc/libc/termios/ttyname.c
17:56.36CosmicPenguinandersee: yeah, the glibc code is similar
17:56.54CosmicPenguinandersee: argh!
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19:11.58Mornshoot it seems I fell asleep at the wheel and missed getting the Compact Framework for .NET
19:12.27sorphinoops :P
19:12.38Mornthey closed the beta
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20:29.13filedid it make it chilly?
20:29.23CosmicPenguinlol
21:01.16sorphinheh
21:01.17sorphinscary
21:01.18sorphinhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16165&item=2310437103
21:01.37sorphinhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16165&item=2310437747
21:11.45GPSFansorphin: notice that both keyboards are covered in plastic wrap, that's to protect them from the user barfing when first seen. ;>)
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21:15.07CosmicPenguinHas anyone noticed touchscreen problems lately?
21:17.05sorphinGPSFan: indeed
21:17.26GPSFanCosmicPenguin: on tuxscreen? I haven't used it since the great touchscreen driver change.
21:17.31sjhillCosmicPenguin: nope, i can touch my screen just fine
21:17.45sorphin~fishslap sjhill
21:17.47ACTION slaps sjhill up side the head with a wet fish.
21:17.52sjhillheh
21:17.56sorphinsjhill: quit touching the pr0n
21:18.19sorphinand yes, i know you don't appreciate pr0n, but thats not my problem
21:18.26sjhillheh
21:18.44sjhillwell, it was a bad joke...i had the fish comin'
21:18.55CosmicPenguinIt was working before
21:18.56CosmicPenguinARGH!
21:21.07CosmicPenguindefinately a kernel issue - a known good Nano-X doesn't work
21:21.28CosmicPenguin~fishslap CosmicPenguin
21:21.29ACTION slaps CosmicPenguin up side the head with a wet fish.
21:22.58CosmicPenguinOk, so the kernel hasn't changed.  Suppose my tuxscreen has died?
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21:28.25GPSFanCosmicPenguin: have you taken it apart lately, maybe the touchscreen flat cable is loose/unconnected.
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21:33.37CosmicPenguinGPSFan: no, it was working earlier
21:33.49CosmicPenguinand it can tell when I touch it
21:33.53CosmicPenguinhmmm...
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21:45.18CosmicPenguinAnnoying
21:53.18GPSFanCosmicPenguin: yaeh that's odd, can you read the raw data when you touch it?
22:01.09CosmicPenguinGPSFan: yeah - its not right
22:02.32CosmicPenguinGPSFan: it is a bad cable...  
22:02.48CosmicPenguinGPSFan: its hanging on the wall, and when I pull the screen out and turn it to the right, the values go goo
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22:08.57sorphinker; what now?
22:10.10kergothjust stupid and broken drivers in the c700 kenrel
22:10.12kergothkernel
22:11.35sorphinah
22:11.47sorphinkergoth: well, you can't blame lineo anymore, they don't exist ;)
22:15.12CosmicPenguinthats the perfect reason to blame them
22:15.37fileCosmicPenguin: I didn't do it!
22:16.36CosmicPenguinfile: where is micah these days?
22:18.28fileCosmicPenguin: in #picogui
22:18.36filenot right now though
22:18.38fileso I dunno where he is
22:19.10CosmicPenguinwhy did he stop hanging out with us?
22:19.22fileCosmicPenguin: Unknown.
22:24.31sorphinCosmicPenguin: prolly busy w/ school
22:47.06CosmicPenguinI wanted to tell him that the Microwindows input path for touchscreens is very PicoGUI like
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23:08.10GPSFanCosmicPenguin: did the loose cabel improve things?
23:13.47CosmicPenguinGPSFan: it did indeed
23:20.23GPSFanCosmicPenguin: :>) great, btw, how does that cute little digital camera that you got for Xmas work?
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23:38.21CosmicPenguinGPSFan: ok, but the batteries die all the time
23:42.25GPSFanCosmicPenguin: I was thinking of getting one, they are cheap enough. I was wondering about the image quality, focis etc.
23:42.39GPSFans/focis/focus
23:46.13CosmicPenguinGPSFan: no flash, very macro focus, image quality isn't horrible, but its not great either
23:46.23CosmicPenguinI would use it only to take pictures of hardware or something like that
23:48.21GPSFanCosmicPenguin: thanks.

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