| 00:02.29 | jacques | TimTexanRiker: where in texas? dallas? austin? |
| 00:02.48 | TimTexanRiker | jacques: NE Dallas |
| 00:03.42 | jacques | TimTexanRiker: congrats on the new job |
| 00:04.07 | TimTexanRiker | Steve Baker (TuxKart) attends the local lug: http://NTLUG.org/ We should have some fun. ;-) |
| 00:04.17 | jacques | TimTexanRiker: but you are not allowed to call yourself a texas unless you were born there. please stop now. |
| 00:04.43 | TimTexanRiker | jacques: y'all take affence to that? |
| 00:05.06 | jacques | TimTexanRiker: yup |
| 00:05.36 | jacques | I'm a native born Texican |
| 00:06.01 | andersee | TimTexanRiker: eh? |
| 00:06.51 | TimTexanRiker | Ain't that jes too suede for wards? |
| 00:07.05 | sorphin | hehe |
| 00:07.13 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: you know now |
| 00:07.13 | TimTexanRiker | andersee: took the TI offer. movin' soon. |
| 00:07.22 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: you're gonna have to get a big ole hat :P |
| 00:07.30 | andersee | TimTexanRiker: oh no! I mean, cool |
| 00:07.41 | TimTexanRiker | gunna git me a pickup truck. |
| 00:07.42 | andersee | TimTexanRiker: lots and lotsa money I hope? |
| 00:08.21 | TimTexanRiker | well, we're not talking set for life or anything, it is TI. But decent, yes. |
| 00:09.05 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: as what kinda position? |
| 00:09.32 | andersee | TimTexanRiker: timeframe? |
| 00:09.38 | TimTexanRiker | "Sr. Linux Technologist" |
| 00:10.00 | TimTexanRiker | andersee: now. headed down this weekend to buy a house. |
| 00:10.23 | TimTexanRiker | andersee: you still looking? I know a nice place in Orem that's wired for ethernet that's for sale. ;-) |
| 00:10.36 | andersee | TimTexanRiker: heh |
| 00:10.39 | andersee | TimTexanRiker: how much? |
| 00:10.43 | TimTexanRiker | 20k |
| 00:10.46 | TimTexanRiker | er... 200k |
| 00:10.51 | sorphin | roftl |
| 00:11.00 | TimTexanRiker | no I won't sell it for 20k just cause of the typo. |
| 00:11.05 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: bah |
| 00:11.09 | TimTexanRiker | heh |
| 00:11.16 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: just like that ebay seller :P |
| 00:11.23 | TimTexanRiker | hehehe |
| 00:11.26 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: you would last about 5 minutes in Orem before you lost it... :) |
| 00:11.32 | andersee | TimTexanRiker: free shipping? |
| 00:11.35 | andersee | ;-) |
| 00:11.44 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: umm.. i wouldn't live in utah :P |
| 00:11.48 | TimTexanRiker | well, I revoked the listing before a bid was in, so I'm ok. |
| 00:12.30 | TimTexanRiker | andersee: hmm. as long as you want it right here, I'll throw in the shipping. |
| 00:13.11 | sorphin | andersee: ask for free furniture ;) |
| 00:13.42 | TimTexanRiker | I'll throw in this old 486/66 as a coffee table. Oh! and 2 water beds. |
| 00:13.57 | andersee | TimTexanRiker: my wife wants us to move to Springville (where her mom and sisters live)... |
| 00:14.14 | TimTexanRiker | Orem's closer than West Valley. ;-) |
| 00:14.23 | andersee | heh |
| 00:14.51 | TimTexanRiker | and I know DSL is available. ;-) So is at&t cable I believe. |
| 00:47.03 | sieve | http://fun.drno.de/pics/Howtostopcomputerviruses.jpg |
| 00:47.15 | sieve | night all |
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| 14:44.11 | andersee | morning all |
| 14:44.40 | andersee | If I were to buy a DVD writer, and someone else were paying for it, which drive should I get? |
| 14:56.07 | chouimat|Zzz | sony |
| 14:58.04 | andersee | DRU500AX ? |
| 14:59.26 | Morn | I have the DRU-500A |
| 14:59.28 | Morn | I love it |
| 14:59.56 | Morn | I also have a HP 100i, it sucks |
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| 15:09.02 | sorphin | Morn: noticed there's an HP 300i now, heh |
| 15:09.10 | Morn | yeah |
| 15:09.30 | sorphin | andersee: you only need the sony if you need both + and -, my pioneer has given no probs |
| 15:09.30 | Morn | I think it's just + R/RW |
| 15:09.42 | sorphin | Morn: it is |
| 15:09.56 | sorphin | Morn: i doubt hp will ever do a dual format |
| 15:10.25 | sorphin | Morn: they're in bed w/ philips (and since philips is the big advocate for + ) |
| 15:11.00 | Morn | well, I like the Sony drive a lot |
| 15:11.02 | ade|indy | which is the better format ? |
| 15:11.11 | Morn | and I have all types of discs here |
| 15:11.12 | ade|indy | lo all btw |
| 15:11.15 | sorphin | ade|indy: you'll get varying opinions |
| 15:11.36 | sorphin | i used to think + was, but that was from reading all of philip's propaganda |
| 15:11.45 | sorphin | - works great |
| 15:11.59 | Morn | -R works great with my DVD player and my XBox |
| 15:12.04 | sorphin | ditto |
| 15:12.12 | Morn | +RW also works with my DVD player too |
| 15:12.26 | Morn | I haven't tried a +RW in the XBox though |
| 15:13.03 | sorphin | Morn: depends on which drive you have in your xbox |
| 15:13.04 | Morn | -R worked with the PS2 of my sisters as well (Video) |
| 15:13.07 | sorphin | there are 3 diff dvd drives |
| 15:13.10 | sorphin | in the xboxes |
| 15:13.16 | Morn | sorphin: the Phillips |
| 15:13.40 | sorphin | one of em is really shoddy |
| 15:13.43 | ade|indy | my flat mate just pulled his dvd player apart to find a std pc dvd drive with an mpeg card.. now hes replaced the drive with a better ide one to read all regions and disc types |
| 15:13.43 | sorphin | forget which tho |
| 15:13.51 | sorphin | ade|indy: yup |
| 15:14.04 | sorphin | ade|indy: many many dvd players are just that |
| 15:14.10 | ade|indy | cheap |
| 15:14.12 | sorphin | others, aren't |
| 15:14.28 | sorphin | others use proprietary drive crap |
| 15:15.58 | ade|indy | is the dvdwriting software getting better to the point to take on the win32 software ? |
| 15:16.26 | ade|indy | or still cd software with bloat-ons |
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| 15:19.18 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 15:20.31 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:21.25 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 15:33.47 | CosmicPenguin | Somebody tell me again why I care about Pixil? |
| 15:34.17 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: only you know |
| 15:35.19 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: see, thats what I needed - people like you who think that Qtopia is the answer and that everyone else should just shove off |
| 15:35.23 | CosmicPenguin | Thanks |
| 15:36.07 | ade|indy | lol |
| 15:36.16 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: look if you need it then use it, if you need picogui use it, if you need paragui or any other gui use it |
| 15:36.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: because we need a TOTALY open source gui that is flexible enough to become a mobile-top not a desk-top gui |
| 15:37.54 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: greg is driving me nuts over here |
| 15:38.14 | prpplague | lol |
| 15:38.34 | prpplague | we seem to have an abundance of greg who are driving ppl nuts lately |
| 15:38.37 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: call in a hit |
| 15:38.57 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: where have you been lately? I haven't seen you in a while |
| 15:39.03 | scanline | hiding :) |
| 15:39.21 | scanline | actually, I've been working on odd little doodads instead of picogui |
| 15:39.52 | scanline | my latest mini-obsession is building a cheap and accurate 3D hand tracking device with USB interface |
| 15:40.42 | scanline | with odd bits of school, socializing, and finding a place to live thrown in to the mix... |
| 15:41.02 | prpplague | scanline: ir or some type of 3d arm(not processor) control? |
| 15:41.11 | ade|indy | an average day then scanline :) |
| 15:41.15 | scanline | :) |
| 15:41.19 | scanline | prpplague: radio waves |
| 15:41.34 | prpplague | scanline: hm, not heard of that technique before |
| 15:42.12 | scanline | prpplague: it has several electrodes that transmit or receive weak radio signals, and by measuring the signal attenuation you can determine how close the hand is to a transmitter/receiver pair.. take several measurements and you can infer geometry of what's above the sensor |
| 15:42.16 | ade|indy | scanline: ultrasound would be a good wave to use, but over what distance? |
| 15:42.26 | scanline | you don't need to wear a glove or anything, so it's rather magical-looking :) |
| 15:42.46 | scanline | this is over maybe a foot maximum- designed as a 3D mouse-like device |
| 15:43.13 | prpplague | scanline: whats the potential for a full body system? |
| 15:43.15 | scanline | the hardware is just mind-bogglingly simple though- a PIC microcontroller, 4 op-amps, and a handful of resistors, capacitors, and inductors |
| 15:43.35 | ade|indy | cool and with simple maths you could use the dopler effect to work out speed too . nice idea |
| 15:43.43 | scanline | prpplague: hmm.. with enough sensors you could get an MRI-like image |
| 15:43.54 | scanline | ade|indy: not at these frequencies :) |
| 15:44.11 | scanline | 100khz radio signal, and a 24MHz microcontroller |
| 15:44.23 | ade|indy | dopler works down to < 2 Hz :) |
| 15:44.51 | scanline | yeah, but the hardware isn't powerful enough to measure the received frequency- it just demodulates the received signal in sync with the transmitter's clock |
| 15:45.08 | ade|indy | doh shame |
| 15:45.16 | scanline | this board isn't designed to be high end, it's designed to be maybe $30 |
| 15:45.27 | scanline | but it should give 3D position and orientation of your hand above it |
| 15:46.47 | ade|indy | ~change 30 usd to gbp |
| 15:47.03 | chouimat | ~change 30 usd to cad |
| 15:47.20 | ade|indy | quite a modest budget |
| 15:47.23 | chouimat | ~change 1 usd to cad |
| 15:47.24 | ade|indy | ;) |
| 15:47.36 | chouimat | ~change 1 cad to usd |
| 15:47.52 | scanline | :) |
| 15:48.00 | ade|indy | ibot abuse |
| 15:48.01 | | ade|indy: no idea |
| 15:48.03 | prpplague | scanline: from this design, could you do one stickly for the head? and would you be able to get facial expressions? |
| 15:48.10 | scanline | this is the kind of thing I'd want to embed in couches, desks, and walls :) |
| 15:48.24 | scanline | prpplague: I doubt it.. you'd need more sensors |
| 15:48.43 | scanline | I'm basing my design on some nifty research this guy at MIT did in the mid-90s |
| 15:48.58 | scanline | http://web.media.mit.edu/~jrs/efs.html |
| 15:49.07 | sorphin | holy spam you 2 |
| 15:49.10 | prpplague | scanline: if you could do that, some friends of mine that do computer animation would be very interest |
| 15:49.35 | sorphin | prpplague: got my magstripe reader |
| 15:49.39 | scanline | prpplague: for facial imaging I would think a camera would be better.. maybe two cameras for a stereo image |
| 15:50.05 | sorphin | 1 & 2 are neat.. it won't read 3 and none of my hotel keys show anything on 1 & 2.. bastards are prolly using 3 :P |
| 15:50.22 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you care about pixil cuz you're a good guy and we all wanna use it? :) |
| 15:50.31 | ade|indy | and then ccd region breakdown with pre programmed point movements .. good way |
| 15:50.46 | prpplague | scanline: they need something that can be read in real time |
| 15:51.04 | prpplague | scanline: i.e. to sync voice and facial expressions with on screen |
| 15:51.18 | scanline | prpplague: there's a lot of math involved in reconstructing an image from electric field readings, I'm sure a camera would be faster |
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| 15:51.51 | scanline | this little device I'm working on would be great as a 3D input device in a modeling program or a game though |
| 15:51.58 | ade|indy | prpplague: yeah .. we used software last year to demo that exact idea |
| 15:52.07 | scanline | I had a pong game running on my second prototype |
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| 15:57.51 | sorphin | sive: lo |
| 15:57.57 | sorphin | sieve: lo even |
| 15:58.11 | sieve | sorphin: morning |
| 16:01.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'll tell you one thing - when this gets released, we're definately forking it |
| 16:03.50 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: pixil? |
| 16:03.57 | sorphin | ya |
| 16:04.11 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: to greg-free it? |
| 16:07.15 | scanline | porting it to TinyX? :) |
| 16:09.17 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: it already works on TinyX |
| 16:09.30 | CosmicPenguin | but yeah, we need to put it somewhere safe |
| 16:10.26 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so instead of a keeper of the grail, we need a keeper of pixil? |
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| 16:16.38 | ade|indy | please please please has anyone got a rootfs (tinyx) for their tuxscreen i could grab ... life behind a university clamped down firewall is very unfair :( |
| 16:17.35 | ade|indy | the buildroot is not tweaked for html proxy only :( |
| 16:17.54 | ade|indy | s/html/http |
| 16:24.02 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:24.09 | ade|indy | lo |
| 16:25.24 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 16:25.55 | chouimat | prpplague: ping? |
| 16:26.26 | andersee | ade|indy: set the "http_proxy" environment variable and wget will do the right thing |
| 16:26.41 | andersee | ade|indy: Oh, and the "ftp_proxy" environment variable too |
| 16:33.43 | ade|indy | ok will try again :) |
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| 16:39.28 | prpplague | chouimat: lo? |
| 16:39.42 | kergoth | hrm |
| 16:39.48 | prpplague | kergoth: yes??? |
| 16:39.57 | prpplague | kergoth: not enough coffee yet? |
| 16:40.02 | kergoth | bingo |
| 16:40.03 | chouimat | prpplague: I tried a good spruce beer this weekend |
| 16:40.05 | kergoth | brb, caffeine run |
| 16:40.31 | sorphin | prpplague: guess your heard you're getting a new neighbor? |
| 16:40.38 | prpplague | sorphin: timmy? |
| 16:40.49 | prpplague | sorphin: i hadn't heard if he got the job |
| 16:41.20 | sorphin | he did |
| 16:41.31 | prpplague | sorphin: cool |
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| 16:44.22 | prpplague | oh no, its the mips monster |
| 16:44.49 | prpplague | sjhill: made it up to your new job yet? |
| 16:45.06 | sjhill | prpplague: umm...yeah...i've been here over a month now :) |
| 16:45.24 | sjhill | prpplague: it's great |
| 16:45.39 | prpplague | sjhill: hmm, i've been out of the loop for too long |
| 16:46.49 | sjhill | you have had more important things to be concerned with |
| 16:46.55 | sorphin | prpplague: think tim said he's gonna be down there this weekend to get a house |
| 16:47.05 | sjhill | Tim's moving to TX? |
| 16:47.11 | prpplague | sorphin: fun |
| 16:47.11 | sorphin | sjhill: yes |
| 16:47.14 | sorphin | to work for TI |
| 16:47.19 | sjhill | wow |
| 16:47.21 | sjhill | that's great |
| 16:47.55 | sorphin | he's gonna be |
| 16:47.56 | sorphin | "Sr. Linux Technologist" |
| 16:48.22 | sorphin | prpplague: he'll be in NE dallas |
| 16:53.05 | chouimat | woooohoooo just got 15 firewalls/vpn combo (12 000 cad) |
| 16:53.20 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:53.38 | chouimat | sorphin: in my pocket :) |
| 16:54.00 | chouimat | sorphin: that a very good week imho |
| 16:56.15 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:58.04 | sieve | chouimat: what brand of firewall/vpn combo or is it of your own design? |
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| 17:01.18 | sjhill | hi TomW |
| 17:01.18 | sorphin | TomW: mornin old boy |
| 17:01.35 | TomW | Morning! |
| 17:02.18 | TomW | I get up this morning and sitting here bleary-eyed, and the guy from the ISP calls with panic in his voice "I cannot ping anything". |
| 17:02.22 | TomW | :/ |
| 17:02.27 | sorphin | ugh |
| 17:02.41 | sorphin | TomW: pri cards? |
| 17:02.54 | TomW | turns out he fsck'ed up an entry in the /etc/named.conf and named was bailing out of the ps with an error. |
| 17:03.00 | sorphin | ah |
| 17:03.09 | TomW | heh, he panics too well. |
| 17:03.13 | sorphin | hehe |
| 17:03.40 | prpplague | TomW: thats why they pay you the big $$ |
| 17:03.56 | TomW | he called the upstream provider to see if there was a problem, not even going back the rule that when something stops working, undo the last thing you did first. heh |
| 17:04.31 | TomW | a little knowledge can be sooo dangerous in the wrong hands. |
| 17:05.43 | TomW | I have to give him credit though, while I made a cup of tea before I called him, he did undo the last thing he did and it started working again. When I got back to him, he was trying to figure out how he hammered the router. |
| 17:05.54 | chouimat | sieve: my own design |
| 17:07.10 | TomW | prpplague: another customer screwed up and sent me money. Now I am thinking of routing out that PS7500-FE board. |
| 17:07.20 | TomW | prpplague: |
| 17:07.34 | TomW | prpplague: 'cause I got money to have a PCB built. |
| 17:08.11 | chouimat | anyone working on a way to use the webpal parallel port to flash it? |
| 17:08.56 | TomW | heh |
| 17:08.58 | chouimat | TomW: me too |
| 17:11.33 | TomW | this will be interesting today: I have a remote machine running rp_pppoe into one ISP account and I have to reconfigure it to use dhcp into another ISP account. I don't know whether I want to attempt this remotely, or just surrender and drive over to the site. |
| 17:14.23 | TomW | time for a roadtrip! Temp outside is 34 degrees, nice day. |
| 17:14.56 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 17:14.58 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is -10 C (14 F), windspeed is 38.62 km/h, and visibility is 40.23 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.11 1600 UTC). |
| 17:15.51 | TomW | weatherbot: weather abe |
| 17:15.52 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station ABE |
| 17:16.05 | TomW | weatherbot: weather lvi |
| 17:16.07 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station LVI |
| 17:21.16 | sorphin | TomW: umm |
| 17:21.21 | sorphin | TomW: it uses airport codes |
| 17:21.26 | sorphin | erm |
| 17:21.31 | sorphin | weather station codes |
| 17:21.33 | sorphin | i.e. |
| 17:21.39 | sorphin | weatherbot: weather kstl |
| 17:21.41 | weatherbot | Current conditions at St. Louis, Lambert-St. Louis International Airport, MO, United States: It is 5 C (42 F), windspeed is 12.87 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.11 1553 UTC). |
| 17:23.25 | TomW | sorphin: yeah, I have "Lehigh Valley International" near me, I don't have the airport codename for it though. |
| 17:24.00 | TomW | sorphin: So I guessed at it. Like Newark airport is EWE. |
| 17:24.10 | TomW | weatherbot: weather ewe |
| 17:24.11 | sorphin | TomW: well |
| 17:24.11 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station EWE |
| 17:24.16 | sorphin | our airport is STL |
| 17:24.30 | sorphin | but weather station (noaa code) is kstl |
| 17:24.39 | TomW | weatherbot: weather wewe |
| 17:24.40 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station WEWE |
| 17:24.45 | TomW | weatherbot: weather kewe |
| 17:24.46 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station KEWE |
| 17:24.46 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:24.49 | TomW | heh |
| 17:24.54 | sorphin | TomW: just wait :P |
| 17:24.59 | TomW | It don't know shit. |
| 17:25.20 | sorphin | TomW: wait a sec :P |
| 17:25.27 | TomW | Where do you get the code? from NOAA? |
| 17:25.39 | sorphin | just wait :P |
| 17:25.42 | sorphin | i'm looking yours u pnow |
| 17:25.44 | sorphin | up now |
| 17:26.17 | sorphin | ABE |
| 17:26.24 | sorphin | weatherbot: weather ABE |
| 17:26.26 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station ABE |
| 17:26.28 | sorphin | hmm |
| 17:26.31 | sorphin | ah |
| 17:26.34 | sorphin | weatherbot: weather KABE |
| 17:26.36 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Allentown, Lehigh Valley International Airport, PA, United States: It is 0 C (30 F), windspeed is 19.31 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.11 1551 UTC). |
| 17:26.40 | TomW | thanks |
| 17:26.40 | sorphin | TomW: there ;) |
| 17:26.54 | sorphin | TomW: fyi, www.airnav.com/airport/ |
| 17:26.59 | TomW | I knew that the air code was abe. |
| 17:27.33 | sorphin | that page tells you more than you'll ever wanna know about any airport :P |
| 17:27.50 | sorphin | Airport use: Open to the public |
| 17:27.51 | sorphin | Sectional chart: NEW YORK |
| 17:27.51 | sorphin | Control tower: yes |
| 17:27.51 | sorphin | ARTCC: NEW YORK CENTER |
| 17:27.51 | sorphin | FSS: WILLIAMSPORT FLIGHT SERVICE STATION [1-800-WX-BRIEF] |
| 17:27.53 | sorphin | etc |
| 17:30.46 | TomW | weatherbot: weather n43 |
| 17:30.48 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station N43 |
| 17:31.00 | sorphin | TomW: umm |
| 17:31.07 | sorphin | TomW: it's always a 4 char code |
| 17:31.18 | sorphin | look it up on airnav :P |
| 17:31.52 | TomW | I did, that is Easton, PA: Braden Airpark |
| 17:32.35 | TomW | maybe only the airports listed that have 4 letter codes are the ones with weather capabilies. |
| 17:33.17 | TomW | like N53 is Stroudsburg airport, that is 8 miles from me. |
| 17:33.32 | TomW | weatherbot: weather n53 |
| 17:33.33 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station N53 |
| 17:33.37 | TomW | weatherbot: weather kn53 |
| 17:33.38 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station KN53 |
| 17:34.23 | TomW | ooo ooo ooo! KNPO |
| 17:34.33 | TomW | weatherbot: weather KNPO |
| 17:34.34 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station KNPO |
| 17:34.43 | TomW | weatherbot: idiot |
| 17:35.07 | TomW | weatherbot: weather KMPO |
| 17:35.09 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Mount Pocono, Pocono Mountains Municipal Airport, PA, United States: It is -3 C (25 F), windspeed is 24.14 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.11 1553 UTC). |
| 17:35.55 | TomW | weatherbot: weather KPSB |
| 17:36.01 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station KPSB |
| 17:37.05 | TomW | weatherbot: weather Kwbw |
| 17:37.06 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station KWBW |
| 17:37.34 | sorphin | umm |
| 17:37.36 | sorphin | tomw |
| 17:37.37 | TomW | sorphin: looks like only selected airports have weather reporting capabilities. |
| 17:37.59 | sorphin | it's regional :P |
| 17:38.04 | sorphin | and please use /m now ;) |
| 17:38.42 | TomW | k |
| 17:38.51 | sorphin | :) |
| 17:39.18 | TomW | sorry, I am new at this irc stuff, you youngsters have to retrain me. |
| 17:40.23 | sorphin | ibot: cluebat tomw |
| 17:40.25 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps tomw. |
| 17:40.36 | sorphin | TomW: there, you're retrained ;) |
| 17:41.17 | sorphin | TomW: maybe you're too old to get smarter? i dunno |
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| 17:42.08 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: got a DOS image on a CF handy? |
| 17:42.48 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: no, sorry |
| 17:43.30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you here? |
| 17:44.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya what up? |
| 17:44.30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: do you have a dos image on a CF that I can borrow? |
| 17:44.31 | ade|indy | any ideas re :make[2]: Entering directory `/home/adrian/arm/tux/buildroot-tux/build/netkit-telnet-0.17/telnetd' |
| 17:44.31 | ade|indy | Makefile:3: ../MCONFIG: No such file or directory |
| 17:44.31 | ade|indy | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `../MCONFIG'. Stop. |
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| 17:44.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: dos image? |
| 17:44.50 | ade|indy | sorry for the flood |
| 17:45.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: as in m$-dos/dr-dos/free-dos ? |
| 17:45.18 | sorphin | that'd be what he means |
| 17:45.30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, I've got a bios image that gets flashed with a dos based app |
| 17:45.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: need it on a CF or floppy? |
| 17:46.23 | CosmicPenguin | CF |
| 17:46.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya i think i have one we used for the aquapad, however, i won;t have time until after lunch |
| 17:46.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that ok? |
| 17:48.21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: nah, too late.. I've got a demo at 1:00 my time... |
| 17:48.26 | CosmicPenguin | But thats OK |
| 17:48.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok, let me see if i can find it |
| 17:48.55 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: don't worry about it - I don't want to take you away from your work |
| 17:49.02 | sorphin | hehe |
| 17:49.11 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i doubt he minds the break ;) |
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| 18:00.18 | sorphin | and there's the future texan |
| 18:06.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ops, its been f&r'd |
| 18:07.22 | sorphin | sjhill: go whore yourself to some more MIPS |
| 18:07.31 | sjhill | way ahead of you |
| 18:07.54 | prpplague | sjhill: so its working out pretty well at timesys? |
| 18:08.07 | prpplague | sjhill: i need to go to work for a real embedded linux company |
| 18:08.25 | sjhill | prpplague: oh yes....i don't sleep anymore....it cured my disease of being a somniac |
| 18:09.03 | prpplague | sjhill: lol |
| 18:10.15 | chouimat | sjhill: amphetamine? |
| 18:11.56 | sorphin | nah |
| 18:12.04 | sorphin | sjhill smokes MIPS crack |
| 18:12.23 | prpplague | sjhill: coffee innama? |
| 18:12.27 | sjhill | SIGIOT |
| 18:12.31 | sjhill | there's a signal i haven't seen before |
| 18:12.45 | sjhill | prpplague: nah, just your normal soda addiction |
| 18:12.51 | sjhill | prpplague: well, tea also |
| 18:13.16 | sjhill | coffee? coffee = rabbit turds |
| 18:13.23 | sjhill | in liquid form |
| 18:13.27 | prpplague | lol |
| 18:14.18 | prpplague | sjhill: like any believes juan valdez picks coffee beans..... more likely poppie's |
| 18:14.29 | sjhill | indeed :) |
| 18:16.22 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:18.28 | ade|indy | wheres the best place to ask about the buildroot-tux ? |
| 18:19.17 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... I just had a thought |
| 18:19.37 | CosmicPenguin | If I make a dos boot floppy on my gfs Win98 box, I should be able to use that, right? |
| 18:21.36 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yes |
| 18:23.24 | sjhill | crap, i have a win98 simple boot disk image, it's in my hotel room |
| 18:23.29 | sjhill | sorry |
| 18:24.05 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: thats alright - I'm formatting one as I speak |
| 18:27.08 | Morn | good afternoon folks |
| 18:27.13 | sjhill | hi Morn |
| 18:27.55 | sjhill | i wish mine was...then i'd be too stupid to have to work on kgdb |
| 18:29.34 | Morn | I wonder if my juggling pins will get here this week... |
| 18:30.39 | sorphin | Morn: scary |
| 18:30.49 | Morn | sorphin: why so? |
| 18:33.55 | sorphin | juggling pins? |
| 18:34.19 | Morn | I'm actually an accomplished juggler, though the last time I did pins was before the car accident (14 years ago), the pins were destroyed in the accident |
| 18:34.34 | kergoth | thats really cool. I need to learn to juggle |
| 18:34.44 | kergoth | it'd certainly help my knife throwing, and vice versa |
| 18:35.05 | Morn | kergoth: I've taught 100's of people to juggle... I used to do it at Ren Faire's and on the boardwalk at the beach |
| 18:36.23 | sorphin | buncha circus freaks *grin* |
| 18:37.24 | Morn | juggling is actually very fun, and somewhat mathematic in nature |
| 18:38.11 | kergoth | Morn: very cool :) |
| 18:38.19 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - all I need now is a damn boot loader |
| 18:42.33 | CosmicPenguin | dct5000? |
| 18:43.19 | sjhill | motorola digital settop box |
| 18:43.38 | CosmicPenguin | price? |
| 18:44.02 | sjhill | http://broadband.motorola.com/catalog/productdetail.asp?ProductID=178 |
| 18:45.58 | TimTexanRiker | http://www.gi.com/noflash/digicable_dct5000.html |
| 18:46.26 | TimTexanRiker | I don't much care. how's $10 + shipping sound? |
| 18:46.49 | chouimat | can we install linux on that? |
| 18:47.13 | TimTexanRiker | yes. Lineo did a port someplace, but I'll have to dig it up. |
| 18:47.34 | TimTexanRiker | note these are _not_ the 5200. no HD/PVR functionality in the base model. |
| 18:47.35 | CosmicPenguin | TimTexanRiker: sold |
| 18:47.59 | CosmicPenguin | TimTexanRiker: Can we avoid shipping? You still going to be around for SLLUG next week? |
| 18:48.29 | TimTexanRiker | CosmicPenguin: I'm headed out of town this weekend for all of next week. when's the new SLLUG? |
| 18:48.49 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: why'd you have 11? |
| 18:48.58 | sorphin | i may want 1 or 2 after i look at these |
| 18:49.06 | CosmicPenguin | TimTexanRiker: 19th |
| 18:49.11 | TimTexanRiker | left over units from the lineo port project. |
| 18:49.13 | kergoth | TimTexanRiker: I'd be interested as well. |
| 18:49.32 | TimTexanRiker | they stopped the 5000 port when the 5100 came out. now the 5200 is avalable. |
| 18:49.43 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: I'm interested just tell me the shipping cost and I will send you a money order |
| 18:49.56 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: ah |
| 18:50.16 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: what's it got internal as far as interfaceablity? |
| 18:50.33 | TimTexanRiker | I suppose I should get one out and take some pictures. ;-) |
| 18:50.53 | TimTexanRiker | back soon... |
| 18:51.33 | sorphin | :) |
| 18:51.56 | sjhill | eeep, sorry wrong page |
| 18:52.00 | sorphin | sounds like the 5200s would be nice too, too bad that's not what those are ;) |
| 18:59.05 | andersee | TimTexanRiker: cpu typpe? |
| 18:59.43 | TimTexanRiker | mips |
| 19:00.54 | sorphin | back later |
| 19:01.05 | andersee | TimTexanRiker: faster than a Qube2? |
| 19:01.08 | TimTexanRiker | ok, has cable in, rf out, conv in, conv out, ieee-1394, r-l-v in and out, rs-232, vga, parallel, ethernet, 2 usb. |
| 19:01.28 | TimTexanRiker | data hs and ir, whatever they are. |
| 19:01.31 | andersee | TimTexanRiker: did I mention the Qube2 is running quite stable now? |
| 19:02.09 | TimTexanRiker | no, you didn't. tried any iptables rules? ethernet and serial at the same time? |
| 19:02.57 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: how much ram? |
| 19:03.12 | TimTexanRiker | chouimat: no idea yet. |
| 19:03.45 | andersee | TimTexanRiker: I'm using the eepro since after applying that patch neither serial nor ethernet were working very well... |
| 19:03.55 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: ok, I'm very interessted in that box |
| 19:06.10 | TimTexanRiker | andersee: ah |
| 19:07.04 | TimTexanRiker | has these stupid screws heads I can't find anything that fits it. |
| 19:07.19 | TimTexanRiker | well, live pictures? http://rikers.org:8000/ |
| 19:11.02 | TimTexanRiker | looks like 1 pcmcia slot |
| 19:12.47 | andersee | TimTexanRiker: system speed? |
| 19:13.18 | TimTexanRiker | no idea. |
| 19:13.19 | andersee | Ugh. I remember some dell boxen with that type of evil screw |
| 19:15.27 | TomW | TimTexanRiker: I'll take one if you have one to sell. I can paypal the amount immediately. |
| 19:16.04 | GPSFan | TimTexanRiker: that looks like an interesting box, I'll take 2. shipping to Colorado? |
| 19:16.48 | TomW | andersee: a dremel with the carbide cut-off will handle those screws. :) |
| 19:17.30 | TimTexanRiker | TomW: heh. that it might. |
| 19:17.46 | andersee | TomW: acetylene cutting torch would do it too ;-) |
| 19:17.57 | GPSFan | TimTexanRiker: did any doc's come with the boxes? |
| 19:18.01 | TomW | andersee: naw, de-laminate the PCB that way. |
| 19:18.06 | TimTexanRiker | GPSFan: nope |
| 19:18.09 | sjhill | i don't know about you, but c4 works pretty good for me |
| 19:18.18 | TomW | LOL |
| 19:18.29 | GPSFan | no problem, none came with the tux's either. |
| 19:18.54 | GPSFan | plasma torch... |
| 19:19.24 | TomW | GPSFan: wait a minute, we want to be able to use them AFTER we get the box opened! |
| 19:19.30 | TomW | GPSFan: sheesh! |
| 19:19.34 | TimTexanRiker | I think I'm about ready to get the hack saw and make a slot in the screws |
| 19:20.13 | TomW | TimTexanRiker: dremel |
| 19:20.54 | TomW | TimTexanRiker: use the carbide slicer to cut a slot in the head |
| 19:21.33 | CosmicPenguin | TimTexanRiker: I'm definately ready to buy one as well |
| 19:22.12 | TomW | TimTexanRiker: Why the Texan in your name today, get a new job or something? |
| 19:22.59 | TimTexanRiker | TomW: yep. "Sr, Linux Technologist" at TI in Dallas. moving soon. |
| 19:23.10 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: does it weight the same as the webpal? |
| 19:23.12 | TomW | COOL! |
| 19:23.52 | TomW | LOL Dremel away! |
| 19:24.26 | TomW | just wear eye protection! Those discs shatter easily |
| 19:25.01 | GPSFan | TomW: with firewire, ethernet,serial,usb, it could be quite an interesting project. the 5100 had 16M flash and 64M dram, both expandable. I see tim is about to dremmel it open. |
| 19:25.49 | prpplague | TimTexanRiker: congrads |
| 19:26.03 | TomW | GPSFan: I wonder if it is ColdFire or PPC? |
| 19:26.15 | GPSFan | TimTexanRiker: yes, congrats! |
| 19:26.31 | TomW | I'd like to play with either chip. |
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| 19:26.33 | GPSFan | TomW: 5000 series is supposed to be 300Mips mips. |
| 19:26.52 | TomW | oooh, that would be cool too. |
| 19:27.31 | GPSFan | TomW: 5100 data sheet, but these are 5000's so YMMV http://broadband.motorola.com/catalog/product_documents/DCT5100.pdf |
| 19:27.37 | TimTexanRiker | one side done... |
| 19:27.51 | TomW | one down, several to go... |
| 19:27.54 | andersee | TimTexanRiker: that was fast |
| 19:29.06 | TomW | heh, sparks fly.. |
| 19:29.21 | GPSFan | cool... |
| 19:30.08 | TomW | After I purchased my first dremel tool about 11 years ago, I didn't know how I ever got along without one! |
| 19:30.10 | TimTexanRiker | sparks showing up well for ya? this is better than Junk Yard Wars. ;-) |
| 19:30.21 | TomW | lol |
| 19:31.01 | TimTexanRiker | one more... =( |
| 19:31.41 | GPSFan | TomW: if there is an ide header that will be sweet.. |
| 19:32.42 | TomW | GPSFan: even if there isn't, it is very easy to add an ide interface if you can get a ChipSelect line and access to some of the address bus and 16 bits of the data bus. |
| 19:32.56 | TomW | IDE is a simple interface to build. |
| 19:33.15 | GPSFan | TomW: as you proved with the tux. |
| 19:33.22 | TomW | heh, yeah. |
| 19:33.39 | GPSFan | here goes!! |
| 19:34.03 | TomW | oooo! |
| 19:34.11 | TomW | droool |
| 19:34.16 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:34.27 | TomW | two RF modules. |
| 19:34.53 | GPSFan | sodimm |
| 19:35.22 | TomW | good, it is TQFP, you can hack electronics into it. |
| 19:35.39 | TimTexanRiker | empty sodimm module for memory I presume. there is a cable connector... |
| 19:35.50 | TomW | beefy switching supply in it... |
| 19:36.17 | TimTexanRiker | 44 pin. laptop ide perhaps? |
| 19:36.19 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: I will take one |
| 19:36.26 | CosmicPenguin | TimTexanRiker: you take paypal still? |
| 19:36.31 | GPSFan | TimTexanRiker: when can you ship? |
| 19:36.33 | TomW | yeah, 44 pin would be atapi |
| 19:36.58 | TomW | 40 pins of ide + power |
| 19:37.05 | TimTexanRiker | nec vrc5476-83e |
| 19:37.27 | TimTexanRiker | and vr5432 |
| 19:37.29 | chouimat | I will definitly take one of those |
| 19:37.52 | chouimat | ibot change 50 usd to cad |
| 19:37.56 | kergoth | as will I. where's that paypal info tim? ;) |
| 19:37.58 | TimTexanRiker | ati rage xl and rage theater |
| 19:38.13 | TomW | sales@tuxscreen.net |
| 19:38.17 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: does 50 usd will be enought for the shipping cost? |
| 19:38.33 | TimTexanRiker | now I expect you want me to weigh one. ;-) |
| 19:38.35 | TomW | TimTexanRiker: name a price |
| 19:38.51 | kergoth | yep, how much in total? |
| 19:39.10 | TimTexanRiker | 2 broadcom QAMLink. any idea what they are? |
| 19:39.56 | TomW | cable modem DOCSIS interface? |
| 19:40.14 | TimTexanRiker | 3 intel flash chips.. |
| 19:40.28 | TomW | That would explain the two RF modules, DOCSIS |
| 19:40.31 | chouimat | ok I want one |
| 19:40.37 | TimTexanRiker | 2 e28f320j |
| 19:40.49 | TimTexanRiker | 1 te28f320 |
| 19:41.19 | TomW | te28f320 == big flash memory |
| 19:41.32 | TomW | probably 2MB? |
| 19:41.34 | TimTexanRiker | PCnet ethernet chip |
| 19:42.55 | prpplague | TimTexanRiker: whats this about a vr chip? |
| 19:44.17 | TomW | TimTexanRiker: the QAMlink chips are definately DOCSIS interfaces. |
| 19:44.54 | TomW | QAM == Quadrature Amplitude Modulation |
| 19:46.09 | TimTexanRiker | This is as close to Linux Pr0n as you can get. |
| 19:46.20 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:46.22 | TomW | heh |
| 19:46.29 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: I definitly interested |
| 19:46.33 | TomW | CUCme? |
| 19:48.06 | TimTexanRiker | TomW: it's an axis web cam. |
| 19:48.20 | TimTexanRiker | the daughter card up front is a smart card reader. |
| 19:48.44 | TomW | yes, we use them in the stores to keep tabs on the employee activities. Nice unit, 10 frames per second. |
| 19:51.58 | file | TimTexanRiker: $10 is incredibly cheap |
| 19:52.16 | chouimat | file: add the shipping |
| 19:52.33 | file | chouimat: stop ruining my dreams! ;) |
| 19:52.48 | chouimat | file: :P |
| 19:53.35 | TomW | file: plus you need a dremel to open the box with... |
| 19:53.44 | file | TomW: I have one |
| 19:53.49 | chouimat | TomW: got one |
| 19:55.05 | file | chouimat: did he give you a total cost with shipping to CAD? |
| 19:55.24 | chouimat | file: nope |
| 19:55.28 | file | chouimat: that sux |
| 19:55.40 | chouimat | file yes |
| 19:56.53 | file | but I haven't worked... anywhere... much... |
| 19:57.03 | TimTexanRiker | ok. /me returns. |
| 19:57.15 | file | TimTexanRiker: wb |
| 19:57.29 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: does 50USD will cover the cost and shipping to canada via usps? |
| 19:57.35 | TimTexanRiker | I found the unopened ones have a 22 page manual. |
| 19:57.44 | TimTexanRiker | nothing deep, no specs, just the hookups. |
| 19:58.07 | TimTexanRiker | has spdif output which the manual says is dolby 5.1 |
| 19:58.13 | file | chouimat: it cost me $25 USD to send my laptop (in a huge box) via USPS... |
| 19:58.22 | TimTexanRiker | and one s-video output as well. |
| 19:58.38 | chouimat | file ok ... |
| 19:59.06 | TomW | TimTexanRiker: monitor output RCA style jack? |
| 19:59.08 | TimTexanRiker | the pcmcia slot is labeled "tv pass card" for future use. |
| 19:59.10 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: how those weight? |
| 19:59.27 | TimTexanRiker | TomW: both rca and svideo out, only rca in. |
| 19:59.34 | TomW | good |
| 20:00.07 | TimTexanRiker | manual mentions a remote, but I don't have any of those. |
| 20:00.26 | chouimat | keyboard? |
| 20:00.31 | TimTexanRiker | looks like 13 pounds or so for a box. |
| 20:00.57 | TomW | humph, we have remotes, the format shouldn't be a problem. maybe just pull the IR diode of a webpal an wire it in.. |
| 20:01.02 | TimTexanRiker | no keyboard. they do come with a US power cable and one 8" rf cable. |
| 20:01.14 | chouimat | ok that praticly the same as the webpal ... 25USD for shipping |
| 20:03.03 | GPSFan | TimTexanRiker: what's your zip code? |
| 20:03.25 | TimTexanRiker | 84058 (at the moment ;-) |
| 20:04.12 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: can you get the shipping info for Quebec City for tomorrow? |
| 20:06.06 | file | chouimat: I'm becoming more and more jealous of you |
| 20:06.16 | TimTexanRiker | well, what are they worth? I only have 11 and I'd like to keep one. ;-) So I'm after getting Someone(tm) to build a nice install for me. ;-) |
| 20:06.19 | chouimat | file: why? |
| 20:06.37 | file | chouimat: in a beautiful city, and getting some neat toys |
| 20:07.15 | TomW | TimTexanRiker: $50 + $20 shipping? |
| 20:07.32 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: I'm very interested in getting one of those so keep one for me ... I need that info to send you a money order didn't have a valid credit card so no paypal for me |
| 20:08.25 | TimTexanRiker | shipping will vary depending on destination. I'd just like to insure they are going to somebody that will hack on them. that's what it's all about isn't it? ;-) |
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| 20:08.28 | TomW | chouimat: if you'd like, I can purchase yours then you can reimburse me. Then Tim doesn't have to do the hassle? |
| 20:08.49 | chouimat | TomW: ok that good for me |
| 20:09.15 | chouimat | TomW: and can you program a webpal flash? |
| 20:09.17 | TimTexanRiker | I have 4 pack boxes that ship well. but individual boxes should be ok too. |
| 20:09.31 | TomW | TimTexanRiker: ups on 26"x6"x14" box (estimated) to my location is $16 |
| 20:10.01 | chouimat | TomW: how much to flash a wbepla rom? |
| 20:10.28 | TomW | chouimat: send it with return postage, nada. |
| 20:10.59 | TimTexanRiker | M2V64S30BTP x 4 (on top). I presume those are memory? |
| 20:11.23 | TomW | yeah, sounds like RAM |
| 20:13.24 | file | port blob to it :) |
| 20:13.55 | GPSFan | a MIPS guru needs to get one. |
| 20:14.20 | kergoth | I'd like to learn MIPS myself, I dont own any MIPS devices to date. |
| 20:15.27 | TimTexanRiker | serial port is 3 pin, next to another 3 pin. might be a second port? guessing. |
| 20:15.51 | GPSFan | the dram is 64mbit parts: http://www.mitsubishichips.com/data/datasheets/memory/mempdf/ds/M2V64S20B.pdf |
| 20:15.53 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:16.00 | file | TimTexanRiker: you should put this on a temporary page in case anybody else is interested so you don't have to repeat yourself |
| 20:17.06 | TomW | chouimat: where are you? eastern / western Canada? |
| 20:17.55 | chouimat | TomW: Quebec City |
| 20:18.08 | file | chouimat: mmm Eastern aren't you? |
| 20:18.21 | file | brb |
| 20:18.23 | TomW | I see that if any mods are to be done, it will be with the microscope, they are fine-lead stuff. |
| 20:18.38 | GPSFan | TomW: and some bga parts. |
| 20:18.47 | TomW | where? |
| 20:19.11 | TimTexanRiker | TomW: agreed. there are 4 open headers likely used for jtag and similar. |
| 20:19.30 | TomW | Is there JTAG on the MIPS? |
| 20:20.22 | TimTexanRiker | don't know. never did board bringup on a mips. just hacked kernel/userspace on agenda and qube |
| 20:20.34 | TomW | if so, then we should be able to use the JTAG tool from the tux to establish communication with the MIPS porcessor. That would make it easier to load the flash. |
| 20:20.43 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: screen resolution? |
| 20:21.09 | TimTexanRiker | I should be able to get some info out of Lineo people. perhaps even flashing instructions. |
| 20:21.16 | TomW | chouimat: probably 640x480 with a large font, same as the webpal? |
| 20:21.33 | chouimat | perfect |
| 20:21.34 | TimTexanRiker | John Rigby and/or Quinn Jensen might know. |
| 20:22.03 | TomW | It might be cool to hook that system into my local cable modem network and uncap the DOCSIS speed limit... |
| 20:22.33 | chouimat | TomW: haha |
| 20:23.01 | TomW | I've been tinkering with the 3COM COM21 modem that I have here. |
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| 20:23.33 | TomW | that looks like a standard ATX power supply. |
| 20:24.28 | TomW | yeah, don't it? |
| 20:24.48 | file | mmm? |
| 20:25.09 | TimTexanRiker | ok. $50 plus shipping while they last. email if you'll be sending a money order, paypal to Sales@TuxScreen.net sound good? |
| 20:25.33 | file | too rich for my blood |
| 20:25.35 | TimTexanRiker | I'll sell 10 of them and keep the one without the manual, power cable. |
| 20:25.38 | TomW | k |
| 20:26.20 | TimTexanRiker | file: just looking to avoid folks that won't hack them. if they don't sell, I'll lower the price. |
| 20:26.32 | TimTexanRiker | I'll create a web page on elinux.org now... |
| 20:26.32 | file | TimTexanRiker: hehe k |
| 20:26.48 | file | TimTexanRiker: any chance you'll get more? |
| 20:27.45 | TomW | TimTexanRiker: the check is in the mail. PayPal. |
| 20:27.47 | TimTexanRiker | file: not likely. they've been discontinued for a while now. |
| 20:27.53 | file | TimTexanRiker: ic |
| 20:28.25 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: 50USD? |
| 20:29.21 | TimTexanRiker | chouimat: yes |
| 20:29.39 | chouimat | ~change 50 USD to cad |
| 20:30.10 | chouimat | ~ibot change 70 usd to cad |
| 20:30.20 | file | chouimat: Canada Post lowered their fee for money orders... by 20 cents LOL |
| 20:31.10 | chouimat | i know |
| 20:33.10 | sorphin | umm |
| 20:33.19 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: $50 ? |
| 20:33.36 | file | oh no... sorphin' |
| 20:33.37 | file | s awake |
| 20:34.55 | TimTexanRiker | http://elinux.org/wiki/DCT5000 |
| 20:35.04 | sorphin | k |
| 20:35.27 | kergoth | god paypal pisses me off |
| 20:36.02 | file | kergoth: elaborate |
| 20:36.23 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:36.33 | TomW | TimTexanRiker: um, you need payment info on the page somewhere. |
| 20:36.48 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: thought you were taking pics? :) |
| 20:36.56 | kergoth | TimTexanRiker: payment sent. |
| 20:37.02 | kergoth | (after cursing at paypal a few times) |
| 20:37.52 | TomW | kergoth: come on! Paypal is easy to do! |
| 20:38.13 | sorphin | i'll prolly buy 2, but i wanna see the board :P |
| 20:38.46 | TomW | sorphin: http://rikers.org:8000 |
| 20:38.51 | TomW | sorphin: webcam |
| 20:38.53 | kergoth | TomW: i know, it just dislikes me. |
| 20:39.07 | sorphin | ah |
| 20:40.33 | TomW | sorphin: it is out of focus right now, but it appears to have two RF modules on it. Prolly one is the DOCSIS cable modem transmit / reciever module, the other? |
| 20:41.03 | TomW | sorphin: ATX style of open frame swithing supply, looks to be at least 150 watts. |
| 20:41.20 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: how much ram? |
| 20:41.24 | TomW | sorphin: we suspect that it has a JTAG header on it. |
| 20:41.34 | sorphin | TomW: and which mips did it have? i saw 2 mentioned |
| 20:42.20 | GPSFan | TimTexanRiker: payment sent. for only 1 though. |
| 20:42.35 | TomW | dunno, one could be the host processor and the other handling i/o stuff? |
| 20:42.38 | sorphin | heh, how many are left? |
| 20:42.40 | prpplague | anyone here read french? |
| 20:42.45 | chouimat | me |
| 20:42.52 | sorphin | prpplague: chouimat does |
| 20:42.54 | sorphin | and i do a lil |
| 20:43.25 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: any still left? |
| 20:44.40 | TimTexanRiker | sorphin: heh. have not checked paypal yet. |
| 20:45.12 | sorphin | ah |
| 20:45.33 | TomW | TimTexanRiker: you will need the size of the shipping container to properly ask ups for the cost... |
| 20:45.46 | TomW | TimTexanRiker: at least the approx size. |
| 20:45.55 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: if there's 2 left after you check, lemme know and i'll snag 2 |
| 20:45.57 | sorphin | :) |
| 20:46.21 | sorphin | if that's ok w/ everyone that is |
| 20:48.10 | andersee | TimTexanRiker: out of curiosity, are you going to work for the TI sales department? ;-) |
| 20:48.18 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:48.23 | sorphin | andersee: he should ;) |
| 20:48.43 | TomW | If he does, they'll go belly up in a few months! |
| 20:49.21 | andersee | TomW: didn't you just shell out $50 to him? |
| 20:49.24 | sorphin | TomW: um.. how's that? |
| 20:49.46 | TomW | heh |
| 20:49.52 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:49.59 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.09 | GPSFan | TomW: he just got the price up from $10 to $50 each in about an hour, that's selling! |
| 20:50.14 | TomW | really? Interesting. |
| 20:50.41 | TomW | GPSFan: yeah, well, some of us wanted to make sure it was worth his while. $10 was a bit low.. |
| 20:50.56 | TomW | $100 too much for an unknown.. |
| 20:51.06 | file | and $50 is justttttt right |
| 20:51.14 | GPSFan | file might have bought them at $10 |
| 20:51.15 | TomW | yup, worth the risk |
| 20:51.22 | file | GPSFan: ha |
| 20:51.42 | TomW | GPSFan: yeah, but then it would only have decorated his junk pile. |
| 20:51.50 | GPSFan | lol |
| 20:51.55 | TimTexanRiker | heh |
| 20:51.59 | file | junk pile? I'm afraid that's gonew |
| 20:51.59 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/jobs/JB4053189917.html |
| 20:52.00 | file | er gone |
| 20:52.06 | file | all I have left are SIMMs |
| 20:52.19 | TomW | GPSFan: got to make the cost dear enough to get file to get his butt into gear, you know? |
| 20:52.29 | TimTexanRiker | andersee: heh, no but perhaps I'll sell of the development units after we are done with them? |
| 20:52.36 | sorphin | TomW: will never happen |
| 20:53.02 | TomW | sorphin: oh, a "packaged consumer" on a developer channel? |
| 20:53.08 | sorphin | anyone have objs to me grabbing 2 if he has 2 not already acquired? |
| 20:53.16 | TimTexanRiker | 4 sold, 6 remain (to be sold, I'll keep one) |
| 20:53.17 | sorphin | TomW: eh? |
| 20:53.20 | sorphin | ok |
| 20:53.23 | sorphin | i'm grabbing 2 then :) |
| 20:53.33 | TomW | sorphin: I got one for me and one for chouimat. |
| 20:53.35 | sorphin | kergoth: :) |
| 20:53.58 | prpplague | sorphin: funny, i never pictured you having two to grab |
| 20:54.16 | sorphin | prpplague: anyways |
| 20:54.29 | TomW | TimTexanRiker: an online auction, you should get a new job more often, it pays you to do so. |
| 20:55.49 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: you got a fedex nearby or mind having them pick up? i have a fedex acct, and can use my account for fedex gnd shipping to me |
| 20:55.51 | sorphin | ? |
| 20:56.09 | GPSFan | TomW: tim now knows that there are bunch of hardware junkies just waiting for him to clean out his closet. |
| 20:56.29 | TimTexanRiker | CosmicPenguin: you wanted one, yes? |
| 20:56.54 | TimTexanRiker | TomW: heh. we'll see. |
| 20:57.11 | TomW | TimTexanRiker: CosmicPenguin did say so, but he said something about not being at home, like he was portable somewheres. |
| 20:57.20 | TimTexanRiker | I've got all kinds of odd hardware here, but I'm not planning on selling most of it. |
| 20:57.39 | TimTexanRiker | I suppose I probably won't use 6 agenda vr4's though. |
| 20:57.41 | TomW | TimTexanRiker: another one with a pretty junk pile, eh? |
| 20:58.08 | TimTexanRiker | sorphin: pickup is fine, and there is one fairly close too. |
| 20:58.28 | file | TimTexanRiker: oooh those Agenda things looked neat when I first saw them |
| 20:58.46 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: ok, i'll put my acct # in the paypal notes, just fedex gnd, if that's ok, and they'll bill me for whatever ship is :) |
| 20:58.49 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: thanks btw |
| 20:58.49 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: 6 agenda? |
| 20:58.58 | file | but then I learned the truth, that they were slow |
| 20:59.04 | TimTexanRiker | well perhaps I'll poke around and see how many I still have. I think I might have 6 left. |
| 20:59.04 | TomW | TimTexanRiker: I checked the scrollback, CosmicPenguin definately said he'd take one. |
| 21:01.23 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: $ sent, fedex # in the notes :) |
| 21:01.30 | TimTexanRiker | I'll reserve one for CosmicPenguin as he spoke first. so 5 down, 5 to go. |
| 21:01.37 | TimTexanRiker | make that 6 |
| 21:01.41 | file | they're selling like hot cakes! |
| 21:01.45 | sorphin | umm |
| 21:01.58 | sorphin | make that 6 ? |
| 21:02.02 | sorphin | i just bought 2 |
| 21:02.03 | TimTexanRiker | sorphin: that was you as the 6th sold. |
| 21:02.09 | sorphin | ah |
| 21:02.12 | TimTexanRiker | oh, ok 7 down, 3 to go |
| 21:02.23 | sorphin | hehe |
| 21:02.28 | sorphin | confusing ;) |
| 21:02.52 | TimTexanRiker | http://bartonrealty.utahrealestate.com/349580 <- next up is this little number. ;-) |
| 21:03.41 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: too far away :) |
| 21:03.52 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: too much $ ;) |
| 21:03.57 | TimTexanRiker | heh and the shipping would kill ya. |
| 21:04.24 | prpplague | 200k? |
| 21:04.38 | prpplague | gold plated side walks? |
| 21:04.43 | TimTexanRiker | check the "More Photos" link |
| 21:05.01 | sorphin | prpplague: 3050 sq ft |
| 21:05.02 | TimTexanRiker | prpplague: just gold plated cat5 connectors |
| 21:05.04 | sorphin | lotta room |
| 21:05.12 | sorphin | wow |
| 21:05.14 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: nice place |
| 21:05.25 | sorphin | he says looking at the more photos |
| 21:05.36 | prpplague | ya but 200k, same house around here would only be about 90k |
| 21:05.42 | TimTexanRiker | thanx. it's been home for 4+ years. We've certianly enjoyed it. |
| 21:05.43 | sorphin | prpplague: look at the interior |
| 21:06.01 | kergoth | prpplague: heh, I'm paying $130k here for a small little two bedroom townhouse :) |
| 21:06.21 | TimTexanRiker | prpplague: 90k? where again? I'm looking at about the same money for about the same house in NE Dallas. |
| 21:06.32 | prpplague | ya thats dallas |
| 21:06.39 | TimTexanRiker | note that the harp is not included. ;-) |
| 21:06.41 | prpplague | TimTexanRiker: longview/tyler |
| 21:06.42 | chouimat | kergoth: I pay 450 cad/month for a little 2 bedrooms appartment |
| 21:06.56 | TimTexanRiker | nor the rest of the furniture before someone makes another smart remark. |
| 21:07.46 | kergoth | prpplague: bastard :) |
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| 21:08.32 | prpplague | kergoth: of course its hard as hell to find a computer job around here |
| 21:08.35 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: jacques might want one |
| 21:08.51 | prpplague | kergoth: they don't even have a section of the classifieds for computer related jobs |
| 21:08.59 | kergoth | cant be much better here. minnesota isnt exactly in the technological forefront either :) |
| 21:09.09 | sorphin | kergoth: nor is here |
| 21:09.32 | kergoth | where you at again? |
| 21:09.39 | TimTexanRiker | kergoth: you're address on paypal is unconfirmed. you should fix that. ;-) It's been almost 3 years now. |
| 21:09.40 | prpplague | dfw usually has 5 or 6 pages of tech jobs |
| 21:09.53 | kergoth | TimTexanRiker: yes yes i know :) |
| 21:10.04 | kergoth | I just moved into a new house in august, i have an excuse |
| 21:10.04 | chouimat | unix job in Quebec City are as rare as pope shit |
| 21:10.25 | TimTexanRiker | prpplague: and 20 times that in people looking. |
| 21:10.37 | TimTexanRiker | kergoth: ah. ;-) |
| 21:11.04 | prpplague | TimTexanRiker: think so? every one i talk to seems to think there aren't enough ppl willing to live in dallas and qualified techies |
| 21:12.14 | TomW | prpplague: maybe I should move, they let "old guys" work in Texas? |
| 21:12.24 | TimTexanRiker | prpplague: it's what I hear from whiners on the NTLUG.org mailing list. |
| 21:12.29 | prpplague | TomW: they let me |
| 21:12.42 | TimTexanRiker | TomW: heh. well I'll be 40 in August. |
| 21:12.44 | sorphin | TomW: when they get as old as you, they have to work at walmart as greeters |
| 21:12.53 | TomW | prpplague: my brother lives in Montgomery, Al. Maybe I should visit him and ride on over to Dallas? |
| 21:13.01 | prpplague | TomW: ha |
| 21:13.06 | TomW | TimTexanRiker: 50 here in July. :( |
| 21:13.10 | prpplague | TomW: thats about a 12 hour drive |
| 21:13.24 | chouimat | F or C? |
| 21:13.25 | TomW | prpplague: closer than from PA. |
| 21:14.07 | sorphin | chouimat: they're talking age |
| 21:14.09 | TomW | prpplague: only, I have a small house I rent here on 0.75 acres for only $400/mo + utils. |
| 21:14.09 | sorphin | chouimat: not temp |
| 21:14.19 | TomW | lol |
| 21:14.28 | chouimat | sorphin: ok |
| 21:14.31 | TimTexanRiker | wonder where that came from. |
| 21:14.39 | TomW | yeah, 50C here in July |
| 21:14.47 | prpplague | TimTexanRiker: hmm, maybe i should subscrive to the ntlug.org list |
| 21:14.50 | sorphin | coo |
| 21:14.56 | sorphin | office space on comedy central |
| 21:15.08 | chouimat | TomW: sorry need to fix that routing problem here so I miss read |
| 21:15.17 | TimTexanRiker | prpplague: meeting this Saturday. I'll likely drop in. They say they get 150 there often. |
| 21:15.22 | prpplague | TimTexanRiker: i have four or five contacts that have unix/linux job openings that have been vacant for a year due to lack of qualified ppl |
| 21:15.26 | kergoth | Well you see Bob, its not that I'm lazy. Its just that I dont care. |
| 21:15.57 | chouimat | wooohoo that working |
| 21:16.05 | prpplague | kergoth: we see that you've been missing alot of work lately. well, bob, i wouldn't say i've been missing it! |
| 21:16.11 | TimTexanRiker | prpplague: cool! have em post to the NTLUG list. |
| 21:16.11 | sorphin | kergoth: is your real name michael bolton too? |
| 21:16.18 | chouimat | sorphin: I feel young .... I got 29 in february |
| 21:16.28 | sorphin | chouimat: i turn 28 in june |
| 21:16.43 | prpplague | kergoth: you get that memo? |
| 21:17.32 | sorphin | kergoth: youngin |
| 21:17.33 | prpplague | sorphin: i only 15 pieces of flare!!! you need to "express" yourself with more flare!! |
| 21:17.38 | prpplague | +see |
| 21:18.06 | prpplague | kergoth: sorry did i over do it? |
| 21:18.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:18.37 | prpplague | those damm decimal places, i always get them wrong |
| 21:18.50 | kergoth | I really need to call my boss lumburgh one of these days, see if he gets it |
| 21:19.21 | sorphin | kergoth: i thought i saw lumburgh doin your gf in a dream |
| 21:19.30 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm personnally looking forward to a conjugal visit this weekend |
| 21:19.35 | kergoth | sorphin: good thing i dont have a gf |
| 21:19.55 | sorphin | prpplague: eh? |
| 21:20.11 | sorphin | heh, i love these Axe commercials |
| 21:20.14 | TimTexanRiker | 19x17x3.5" |
| 21:20.18 | sorphin | 2 chick cops pull a guy over |
| 21:20.46 | prpplague | sorphin: from office space, "they let you have a conjugal visit?" |
| 21:21.27 | sorphin | prpplague: ah yeah |
| 21:21.30 | sieve | thumbs up their asses.... |
| 21:21.48 | sorphin | sieve: watch it, or we'll send you to a federal pound you in the ass prison |
| 21:21.50 | TimTexanRiker | alright, can we tone it down a bit? |
| 21:22.00 | sorphin | k |
| 21:22.07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:22.49 | prpplague | TimTexanRiker: not an Office Space fan? |
| 21:24.06 | TimTexanRiker | prpplague: never seen it. you recommend it I presume? |
| 21:24.47 | MonMotha | office space? hell yah |
| 21:24.59 | chouimat | wtf is Office Space |
| 21:25.12 | MonMotha | a very funny movie |
| 21:25.29 | chouimat | ok |
| 21:25.30 | sorphin | MonMotha: gonna buy one of the DCTs? |
| 21:25.32 | sorphin | ;) |
| 21:25.53 | MonMotha | dcts? |
| 21:26.09 | sorphin | MonMotha: elinux.org/wiki/DCT5000 |
| 21:26.23 | kergoth | tim hasnt seen office space? oh man.. |
| 21:26.29 | kergoth | you need to see it :) |
| 21:26.30 | prpplague | TimTexanRiker: oh my, off course, |
| 21:26.34 | TimTexanRiker | heh |
| 21:26.35 | prpplague | TimTexanRiker: you have got to see it |
| 21:27.17 | prpplague | TimTexanRiker: you need to nice that to the top of your list |
| 21:27.27 | sorphin | ;) |
| 21:27.40 | MonMotha | what arch are they? |
| 21:27.57 | MonMotha | I have too many ARM toys |
| 21:28.01 | sorphin | mips |
| 21:28.07 | MonMotha | hum, may just have to get one |
| 21:28.15 | sorphin | look at the bottom of that page |
| 21:28.22 | sorphin | 2 mips procs |
| 21:28.30 | sorphin | etc |
| 21:28.37 | MonMotha | ah |
| 21:29.32 | MonMotha | TimTexanRiker: I have yet to figure out why it's rated R, probably just some language |
| 21:29.37 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: it's not *that* bad.. |
| 21:29.43 | andersee | TimTexanRiker: its rated R? |
| 21:29.51 | kergoth | heh, thats surprising |
| 21:29.58 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:29.59 | kergoth | i'd think it'd be more pg13 |
| 21:30.05 | andersee | TimTexanRiker: I saw it while working in Canada -- didn't know. I don't recall anything offensive. |
| 21:30.09 | MonMotha | the canadian rating is 14 |
| 21:30.09 | sorphin | it's rated R, and on comedy central |
| 21:30.15 | sorphin | cute |
| 21:30.25 | MonMotha | comedy central does some minor edits...mostly for language IIRC |
| 21:30.26 | kergoth | sorphin: cut up, i'm sure |
| 21:30.28 | sorphin | esp since only thing in it is language |
| 21:30.32 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:30.44 | sorphin | kergoth: can still tell what's said tho, as usual |
| 21:30.51 | kergoth | of course |
| 21:32.32 | sorphin | kergoth: they're skipping you on cake |
| 21:33.40 | chouimat | hmmmm I wonder if netbsd was ported to the dct5000? |
| 21:35.10 | TimTexanRiker | chouimat: doubt it, but I would think it would not be too tough. |
| 21:36.05 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: yup ... with the proper documentations anything can be done |
| 21:36.16 | chouimat | kergoth: receive the complete SPI chapter? |
| 21:36.35 | kergoth | chouimat: yes, havent had time to start on the coding |
| 21:36.47 | chouimat | kergoth: can you send it to me :) |
| 21:37.00 | kergoth | TimTexanRiker: finally got translated information on the SPI interface on the LoCoMo. can get MMC support via an open source driver now |
| 21:37.43 | kergoth | chouimat: yeah, will do |
| 21:37.55 | TimTexanRiker | kergoth: sweet! |
| 21:38.04 | chouimat | kergoth: do you know if effy will translate the rest? |
| 21:38.15 | kergoth | TimTexanRiker: had to pry and pester mitchy and spencer endlessly, and get a OZ user to translate the _scanned_ japanese PDF. hehe. |
| 21:38.32 | kergoth | chouimat: I suspect not without some form of payment, this seems like it takes him quite a bit of time. |
| 21:38.49 | chouimat | kergoth: maybe we can arrange something |
| 21:39.24 | kergoth | chouimat: Yeah, should discuss it with him. |
| 21:39.26 | chouimat | kergoth: I which format he send it to you? |
| 21:39.30 | kergoth | PDF |
| 21:39.32 | chouimat | ok |
| 21:40.25 | chouimat | ok back to that embedded system addons for kdevelop |
| 21:42.02 | fontenot | hi, someone prod me ? |
| 21:42.57 | TomW_work | fontenot: yeah, Tim has something for sale that you might like... |
| 21:43.05 | TimTexanRiker | kergoth: Mecworks on here (in #Utah) is a former Caldera employee that speaks/reads Japanese. Might get him to help out. |
| 21:43.29 | fontenot | oh yeah? what's for sale? |
| 21:43.41 | TomW_work | fontenot: http://www.gi.com/noflash/digicable_dct5000.html |
| 21:44.14 | TimTexanRiker | http://elinux.org/wiki/DCT5000 $50 plus shipping. |
| 21:44.18 | fontenot | oooooh |
| 21:44.21 | fontenot | ooooooooh |
| 21:44.23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:44.25 | fontenot | i like it even better |
| 21:44.44 | TomW_work | fontenot: http://elinux.org/wiki/DCT5000 |
| 21:45.22 | TomW_work | fontenot: send him $50 + shipping via sales@tuxscreen.net, don't ask questions, just send him money. |
| 21:45.26 | TimTexanRiker | note that it's not a 5100 or 5200. no PVR features, but it seems to have a 44 pin ide header. |
| 21:45.28 | TomW_work | fontenot: heh |
| 21:45.34 | TimTexanRiker | TomW_work: heh |
| 21:46.02 | chouimat | someone got the specs of those |
| 21:46.09 | fontenot | how much RAM on that puppy? I assume RAM is not upgradeable ? |
| 21:46.30 | TimTexanRiker | there is an open 144 pin SO-DIMM slot |
| 21:46.31 | TomW_work | TimTexanRiker: the boy has deep pockets and a small junkpile |
| 21:46.50 | fontenot | niice |
| 21:47.13 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: any Dreamcast? |
| 21:47.19 | TimTexanRiker | not here. |
| 21:47.34 | fontenot | are they known hackable at this time ? as in is enough known to port blob or another bootloader ? |
| 21:47.44 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: just asking ... i need to find the network card |
| 21:47.49 | fontenot | because the hardware looks sweet |
| 21:48.08 | TimTexanRiker | chouimat: I think andersee has a BBA (broad band adapter) on his dreamcast |
| 21:48.25 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: thanks |
| 21:49.49 | MonMotha | wow the 2.4 scheduler needs help... |
| 21:49.53 | fontenot | wow that hardware is *really* sweet |
| 21:50.17 | MonMotha | run a find and the system like dies |
| 21:53.28 | chouimat | cooooooool |
| 21:54.37 | fontenot | bsp ? |
| 21:55.05 | chouimat | board support p? |
| 21:57.50 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: what is pcsl_2.4.1-2.iso? |
| 21:58.38 | TimTexanRiker | chouimat: no idea. where? |
| 21:59.02 | TimTexanRiker | yes, board support package. grabbing tool chain now. |
| 21:59.08 | fontenot | wowee |
| 21:59.21 | fontenot | I gotta have me preferrably 2 of those puppies |
| 21:59.37 | TimTexanRiker | I'll have to look through it first to see if there is any non-free ip before I can passit around, but at least the kernel patches should be free. |
| 21:59.45 | fontenot | I'm going to work now - will be on from there (as jacques) |
| 21:59.46 | chouimat | ftp://ftp.lineo.com/pub/embedix/sdk/ |
| 22:00.10 | chouimat | bye fontenot |
| 22:01.49 | TimTexanRiker | fontenot: k. paypal soon to reserve k? |
| 22:02.25 | TimTexanRiker | chouimat: that looks like the current SDK image. will need a license file to run it. |
| 22:02.36 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: ok |
| 22:05.14 | TimTexanRiker | found what I think it the right toolchain. downloading. |
| 22:06.55 | MonMotha | anyone know a...smaller implementation of SSH than OpenSSH/OpenSSL |
| 22:06.56 | MonMotha | ? |
| 22:08.39 | chouimat | MonMotha: did search on google? |
| 22:09.14 | TimTexanRiker | MonMotha: lsh or something... looking... |
| 22:10.00 | chouimat | MonMotha: http://www.fressh.org/ |
| 22:10.47 | TimTexanRiker | http://freshmeat.net/projects/lsh/?topic_id=44%2C150 |
| 22:13.32 | chouimat | MonMotha: 43K Mar 11 17:09 fressh-0.3.1.tar.bz2 , 108K Mar 11 17:09 fressh-0.8.1.tar.bz2 |
| 22:14.12 | TimTexanRiker | hmm. /me hears from John Rigby. He says the kernel and serial work, but the display (at rage xl) was not working. |
| 22:14.22 | TimTexanRiker | er ati rage xl |
| 22:14.46 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: ok |
| 22:20.26 | MonMotha | I've tried lsh before, but couldn't get it to compile (though I'll admit I didn't try very hard) |
| 22:20.53 | TimTexanRiker | MonMotha: I've just heard that it's smaller, but I've not used it either. |
| 22:24.33 | jacques | hi |
| 22:24.52 | MonMotha | TimTexanRiker: I'll look into it |
| 22:25.24 | MonMotha | OpenSSL+OpenSSH is about 1.2-1.5MB for me (I could probably rip a little bit from OpenSSH, but libcrypto just doesn't get much smaller than 900k or so) |
| 22:27.15 | chouimat | MonMotha: did you try fressh? |
| 22:28.22 | MonMotha | chouimat: not yet |
| 22:30.14 | MonMotha | hum, I wonder how much of libcrypto.so OpenSSH actually uses |
| 22:30.24 | MonMotha | might be able to save some space by statically linking if SSH is all you need |
| 22:31.49 | jacques | is there any way to build less crypto algos into openssl ? |
| 22:32.25 | MonMotha | possibly...I should probably look into that as well |
| 22:32.46 | MonMotha | if i can get OpenSSL+OpenSSH (without the agent or anything, just server, client, and keygen) down to 500k or so, I should be good |
| 22:33.17 | jacques | isn't there a tinyssh or something ? I thought I saw that somethere |
| 22:33.26 | jacques | depends how much functionality you need I guess |
| 22:33.50 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 22:34.00 | MonMotha | I really would like the port forwarding for this thing |
| 22:34.03 | MonMotha | though I could also use stunnel |
| 22:36.04 | jacques | see this? http://freshmeat.net/projects/lsh/?topic_id=44%2C150 |
| 22:36.15 | *** join/#elinux ade|indy (~adrian@unimatrix.ex.ac.uk) |
| 22:39.28 | jacques | tiny shell (includes ssh) http://www.cr0.net:8040/code/network/ |
| 22:39.40 | *** join/#elinux file (~joshnet@mctn1-0740.nb.aliant.net) |
| 22:47.39 | TimTexanRiker | says telnet/ssh like. |
| 22:47.59 | file | funkiness... bites |
| 22:48.41 | TimTexanRiker | http://freshmeat.net/projects/tsh/?topic_id=43%2C150%2C884 ahh this does say it have crypto. |
| 22:50.55 | MonMotha | w00t! now I get to relink my OpenSSH against OpenSSL 0.9.7 since I linked net-snmp against it :) |
| 22:51.05 | MonMotha | bf, cast, des, dh, dsa, hmac, md2, md5, mdc2, rc2, rc4, rc5, rsa, sha <--- which one's you think I can probably omit? |
| 22:51.10 | MonMotha | rc2, md2 almost for sure... |
| 23:04.05 | MonMotha | my god, it just keeps getting bigger |
| 23:04.56 | MonMotha | over 1MB now |
| 23:05.12 | MonMotha | without RC2, MD2 or IDEA |
| 23:05.35 | TimTexanRiker | strip? |
| 23:05.46 | TimTexanRiker | 2 more gone. 1 remains |
| 23:06.00 | MonMotha | I ran strip -g on it |
| 23:06.03 | MonMotha | got rid of the debugging |
| 23:06.15 | MonMotha | what else can you safely strip from a shared lib? |
| 23:06.58 | TimTexanRiker | strip --remove-section=.comment --remove-section=.note |
| 23:06.59 | CosmicPenguin | comments |
| 23:07.05 | CosmicPenguin | Heh.... |
| 23:07.08 | MonMotha | ah, yes :) |
| 23:07.21 | MonMotha | 939k |
| 23:07.58 | MonMotha | also ran strip -X on it...I assume it's ok to strip local symbol |
| 23:08.02 | TimTexanRiker | most ssh2 clients should speak 3des and use dh? for key exchange. |
| 23:08.28 | TimTexanRiker | should be able to start from nothing and just build a minumum set. |
| 23:08.46 | MonMotha | well, it's possible that the person may eventually want apache on here, though I guess I coudl leave them off for now |
| 23:08.47 | *** part/#elinux sjhill (~NOYB@65.117.135.105) |
| 23:08.50 | TimTexanRiker | bf (blowfish) should not be needed for example. |
| 23:08.50 | MonMotha | (apache with mod_ssl that is |
| 23:09.18 | TimTexanRiker | ah. then you might start from what apache needs and see if that's enough for ssh ;-) |
| 23:09.21 | MonMotha | wow...-Os brought the unstripped binary down to 1019566 before doign anything |
| 23:09.37 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: for a lazy person unwilling to scroll back - what are you working on? |
| 23:09.55 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: an overfeatured firewall/router on a 32MB flash card |
| 23:10.08 | MonMotha | I'm at 9.8MB right now, but there's a lot of extra kernel code I can remove, as well as a few debugging tools |
| 23:10.13 | TimTexanRiker | CosmicPenguin: decided on $50 for the dct5000's and resserved one for you. thoughts? |
| 23:10.24 | CosmicPenguin | TimTexanRiker: Does that come with the kernel? |
| 23:10.24 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 23:11.04 | TimTexanRiker | the lineo patch will get a kernel that boots, but not everything works. the ati rage xl display does not work for example. so serial only at present. |
| 23:11.53 | TimTexanRiker | ethernet should work at present. |
| 23:11.58 | MonMotha | hum, I guess OpenSSH can get by without blowfish |
| 23:12.03 | MonMotha | though I like to use it :) |
| 23:12.30 | MonMotha | TimTexanRiker: how many DCT5000's you have? |
| 23:13.00 | CosmicPenguin | TimTexanRiker: how about documentation - what are the odds of getting our hands on that? |
| 23:15.43 | CosmicPenguin | Why can't I find the DCT5000 on the Motorola web site? |
| 23:15.45 | TimTexanRiker | MonMotha: one more left |
| 23:16.00 | MonMotha | TimTexanRiker: really? wow |
| 23:16.02 | TimTexanRiker | CosmicPenguin: discontinued. 5100/5200 replace it. |
| 23:16.26 | TimTexanRiker | I'm poking around for docs, not clear what the licensing will be on that. |
| 23:16.43 | CosmicPenguin | TimTexanRiker: its not even under the discontinued section |
| 23:17.19 | MonMotha | TimTexanRiker: think you could hold that one for me? |
| 23:17.28 | TimTexanRiker | CosmicPenguin: well it never was a consumer device so that's not surprising. They did make 1000s of them though. |
| 23:17.34 | MonMotha | I'll have to see if I can get some paypal $$$ to you |
| 23:17.35 | TimTexanRiker | MonMotha: sure. |
| 23:17.42 | MonMotha | $50+shipping? |
| 23:17.49 | TimTexanRiker | yep. |
| 23:18.06 | MonMotha | wow...yanking out blowfish saved a LOT |
| 23:18.32 | MonMotha | 878k |
| 23:18.35 | MonMotha | after stripping |
| 23:18.52 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: found the kernel source? |
| 23:19.28 | jacques | mmmm Fugu |
| 23:19.42 | chouimat | ~lart Xfree86 |
| 23:19.53 | TimTexanRiker | found the in-progress BSP. I'll have to go through it to determine what I can ship. I'm expect the kernel to be open. no video driver, but serial/ethernet should work. |
| 23:20.08 | MonMotha | TimTexanRiker: what kind of video is it? |
| 23:20.11 | MonMotha | ATI something... |
| 23:20.14 | TimTexanRiker | well, s/in-progress/aborted/ |
| 23:20.18 | TimTexanRiker | ati rage xl |
| 23:20.26 | MonMotha | hum... |
| 23:20.28 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: do you know where we can find the specs? |
| 23:20.34 | MonMotha | bear any resemblence to the Rage/Rage Pro? |
| 23:20.37 | TimTexanRiker | chouimat: not yet. ;-) |
| 23:20.44 | MonMotha | I know GATOS and XFree both have OSS drivers for those |
| 23:20.49 | MonMotha | at least for 2d |
| 23:21.12 | chouimat | fb driver for the ati rage xl is in the kernel |
| 23:22.37 | jacques | the rage theater is what's on the ATI AIW cards |
| 23:22.51 | jacques | might be som support for that in GATOS |
| 23:22.59 | MonMotha | I have a Rage Pro on my old AIW Pro |
| 23:23.25 | jacques | my 7500 AIW has a rage theater |
| 23:23.42 | MonMotha | I have an original AIW Pro :) |
| 23:23.45 | jacques | but that's not the main chip - I mean it's the tv chip |
| 23:23.46 | MonMotha | no numbers on it :) |
| 23:23.58 | jacques | :-) |
| 23:24.30 | MonMotha | mine has a brooktree something on it (NOT an 878 like the WinTV) |
| 23:24.32 | jacques | man o man i would love to get the firewire working |
| 23:24.50 | jacques | and usb |
| 23:25.24 | file | mmm interesting... can' |
| 23:25.26 | MonMotha | jacques: we'll see :) |
| 23:25.40 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: any tv in? |
| 23:26.08 | jacques | http://www.ati.com/technology/hardware/ragetheater/ |
| 23:26.46 | TimTexanRiker | chouimat: right-left-video in and out. also svideo and vga out. |
| 23:26.57 | chouimat | any RF? |
| 23:27.25 | jacques | chouimat: tsk tsk did you actually read http://elinux.org/wiki/DCT5000 ? :-P |
| 23:27.30 | TimTexanRiker | cable in, rf out, conv in, conv out. |
| 23:27.53 | jacques | TimTexanRiker: what's conv. ? |
| 23:28.02 | chouimat | jacques: too lazy :) |
| 23:28.24 | sieve | later all |
| 23:28.38 | jacques | chouimat: so instead you bother TimTexanRiker while he's trying t opack up my boxes :-D |
| 23:29.31 | TimTexanRiker | it calls the CONV in/out an RF bypass and shows them looped with the included cable. |
| 23:29.57 | chouimat | jacques: :( |
| 23:30.29 | jacques | chouimat: I'm only teasing you |
| 23:30.43 | TimTexanRiker | manual shows a modem where the rs232 port is. ;-) no modem on these though. |
| 23:30.49 | jacques | TimTexanRiker: yep that sounds a lot like what the back of my current STB looks like |
| 23:31.10 | jacques | beh dont need no steekin modem |
| 23:31.13 | MonMotha | TimTexanRiker: while I've got you here, how would you reccomend handling the addition of another CPU to BLOB? looks like right now they're just selecting PXA based on board using ifdefs in arch.h, which isn't exactly scalable...especially not to even more cpus |
| 23:31.56 | TimTexanRiker | 8 digit lcd with 4 other leds |
| 23:31.57 | jacques | MonMotha: more cpus as in SMP PXA PDAs? |
| 23:32.06 | TimTexanRiker | er 8 digit led... |
| 23:33.08 | TimTexanRiker | MonMotha: talk to erikm for suggestions. but picking a cpu based on the board should work, no? just add more boards and cpus |
| 23:33.09 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: the conv plug are RF likes? |
| 23:33.19 | TimTexanRiker | chouimat: yes |
| 23:33.27 | jacques | TimTexanRiker: the 44-pin header is already populated? |
| 23:33.39 | chouimat | ok they are for cable selector |
| 23:33.53 | TimTexanRiker | jacques: yes. I've not tried to connect anything though. I've not even plugged one of these in. |
| 23:34.03 | jacques | TimTexanRiker: nod |
| 23:34.58 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: can you post a pictures of the box? |
| 23:35.16 | TimTexanRiker | front has 12 buttons: power, cursor, chan+-, info, menu, a/b, guide, select. |
| 23:35.59 | TimTexanRiker | http://rikers.org:8000/ |
| 23:36.41 | MonMotha | well, I ended up netting about the same, but I moved up to 0.9.7 (without blowfish support though |
| 23:36.53 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: the back please |
| 23:36.57 | MonMotha | jacques: more CPUs as in I have a possibly partiallyw orking port to clps7500 :) |
| 23:37.09 | MonMotha | I'm much better at fixing things than I am at writing things |
| 23:37.22 | chouimat | of the appliance :) |
| 23:37.25 | MonMotha | but I wrote this (no clue if it works...still need to build my flash burner for my webpal) |
| 23:38.04 | jacques | MonMotha: cool what's the clps7500? |
| 23:38.12 | MonMotha | jacques: proc in the webpal |
| 23:38.37 | jacques | MonMotha: excellent |
| 23:39.02 | jacques | speaking of which I found some boxes at weirdstuff on saturday which may be hackable but not sure |
| 23:39.19 | jacques | they were only $5 each so if they're not I will just use the cases |
| 23:39.22 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: Ok it's what I thought the conv in and out are for old cabloselector/descrambler |
| 23:39.49 | TimTexanRiker | could be.. the box there comes off and you get... |
| 23:39.53 | jacques | I cant identify a processor on them tho - they were intended for doing video-conferencing over isdn but also cliemed to have other features such as web browsing |
| 23:40.15 | jacques | heh I can see tim's elbow |
| 23:40.30 | MonMotha | TimTexanRiker: well, I was thinking of adding a #define set by configure in the CPU section |
| 23:40.51 | MonMotha | adding an ifdef for every board at the top of arch.h might get a bit tedious |
| 23:41.05 | jacques | i see the firewire ports |
| 23:41.12 | MonMotha | could be done, but then we should probably add an ifdef for EVERY board..currently it assumes SA-1110 unless a certain baord is specified |
| 23:41.24 | TimTexanRiker | yes 2 firewire, 2 usb. |
| 23:41.43 | TimTexanRiker | MonMotha: that would make sense. |
| 23:41.46 | jacques | USB ver 1.1 I assume |
| 23:42.04 | TimTexanRiker | I'd assume 1.0 unless proven otherwise. ;-) |
| 23:42.57 | jacques | yeah I dunno difference between 1.0 and 1.1 but I am assuming they are not 2.0 |
| 23:43.21 | TimTexanRiker | anything else you want to see? (on the dct5000) |
| 23:43.37 | MonMotha | if someone else is interested in porting BLOB to the webpal, I can give them a copy of my source tree...I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't even assemble correctly as I'm an ameture asm programmer (this is my first time :) |
| 23:44.21 | jacques | TimTexanRiker: well I'm already sold so it doesn't really matter for me :-) |
| 23:44.44 | MonMotha | yes, looks like a nice toy |
| 23:44.48 | TimTexanRiker | heh, /me has no more to sell, so he's just having fun. |
| 23:45.01 | MonMotha | TimTexanRiker: just paypal to sales@tuxscreen.net? |
| 23:45.07 | MonMotha | same place I sent for my tux |
| 23:45.19 | TimTexanRiker | yep |
| 23:45.27 | MonMotha | k |
| 23:46.01 | TimTexanRiker | that's the suspected ide header. |
| 23:46.34 | TimTexanRiker | well back to boxing then. |
| 23:46.44 | jacques | sure looks like an ide header |
| 23:47.29 | jacques | looks like dual tuners |
| 23:47.40 | jacques | sodimm |
| 23:48.03 | TimTexanRiker | yep, dual tuners and an open sodimm slot |
| 23:48.48 | jacques | fun fun |
