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| 00:24.14 | CosmicPenguin | TimTexanRiker: you know what, I'm gonna have to pass on that dct5000 |
| 00:24.32 | CosmicPenguin | TimTexanRiker: No job == no money to play == happy fiance |
| 00:24.44 | CosmicPenguin | Or rather, an unhappy finace |
| 00:26.06 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: that sucks |
| 00:26.19 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: thus is life |
| 00:26.45 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: I've got my fill of STBs sitting around here anyway |
| 00:26.45 | MonMotha | now THAT'S freaky |
| 00:26.59 | MonMotha | NOT omitting ciphers resulted in a SMALLER libcrypto |
| 00:27.39 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: I know |
| 00:35.42 | TimTexanRiker | CosmicPenguin: ok. one more left then. |
| 01:08.56 | sorphin | jacques: umm |
| 01:09.04 | sorphin | usb 1.0 is 1M usb 1.1 is 11M |
| 01:09.15 | sorphin | erm, make that 1.0 is 1.5M |
| 01:20.39 | GPSFan | sorphin: maybe sjhill will be able to shed some light porting linux to the DCT5000. http://www.realtime-info.be/vpr/layout/display/pr.asp?PRID=3240 |
| 01:20.57 | TomW | TimTexanRiker: "Red Hots! Get you're Red Hots here..." |
| 01:22.34 | sorphin | GPSFan: nod |
| 01:22.45 | TomW | Things move quickly around here, three hours before Tim had 10 units, now he has none. If anything, the stuff that goes on on this IRC channel is reason enough to get portable wireless web access. |
| 01:23.01 | sorphin | TomW: heh |
| 01:23.09 | sorphin | TomW: it's not always so |
| 01:23.10 | TomW | nicht war? |
| 01:23.21 | sorphin | quite often it's dead |
| 01:24.07 | TomW | yeah, then someone comes along with some "good stuff". |
| 01:25.11 | sorphin | TomW: then it has life, then it goes quiet again ;) |
| 01:26.36 | ade|indy | such is life |
| 01:27.19 | ade|indy | grr why wont my tuxscreen take this damn jffs2 image :( |
| 01:29.04 | sorphin | ade|indy: not enough tea? |
| 01:32.14 | jacques | ade|indy: did you do an erase ramdisk ? |
| 01:32.30 | ade|indy | jacques: yup |
| 01:32.35 | ade|indy | sorphin: ??? |
| 01:32.41 | jacques | ade|indy: what are te symptoms? |
| 01:33.44 | ade|indy | jacques: seems to download the image then when i say to flash it, it tries for about 0.5 seconds then finishes :( |
| 01:34.09 | ade|indy | flash no flashy |
| 01:34.54 | jacques | ade|indy: hmm, which bootloader version? |
| 01:35.07 | jacques | and there were no problems with the erase? |
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| 01:35.27 | jacques | has flashing ever worked on this particular tuxscreen? |
| 01:35.44 | ade|indy | not yet |
| 01:36.11 | ade|indy | blob from the 0.6 feed |
| 01:36.29 | ade|indy | blob-20020709 |
| 01:36.35 | jacques | 2.0.5pre3 or whatewver? |
| 01:37.09 | ade|indy | yup |
| 01:37.18 | jacques | you setup the partitions? |
| 01:38.55 | ade|indy | erm guess not, how ? |
| 01:39.07 | MonMotha | TimTexanRiker: you here? |
| 01:39.41 | jacques | ade|indy: I believe there is a partition reset command or somesuch |
| 01:39.50 | jacques | I'm not near my tuxes right now |
| 01:40.01 | jacques | what does status say? |
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| 01:42.50 | ade|indy | hehe .. needed a reset, thats all |
| 01:43.45 | jacques | ade|indy: really? cooool |
| 01:44.01 | jacques | ade|indy: hw reset or boorloader partition reset? |
| 01:44.17 | jacques | I wish the busybox ps had a little more functionality |
| 01:44.41 | MonMotha | TimTexanRiker: can you ship via fedex? |
| 01:44.47 | jacques | it truncates lines and has no way of getting around that |
| 01:44.56 | ade|indy | jacques: hw reset |
| 01:45.13 | jacques | ade|indy: ah that was my next suggestion :-) |
| 01:46.39 | andersee | jacques: my ears are itching... |
| 01:47.10 | andersee | jacques: What do you need/want with busybox ps? |
| 01:50.33 | MonMotha | andersee: you're the busybox guy, right? |
| 01:51.52 | jacques | andersee: wow |
| 01:51.53 | andersee | MonMotha: I've been accused of that before, and havn't found a good defense |
| 01:51.58 | MonMotha | heh |
| 01:52.06 | MonMotha | I do believe I found a bug in th emount command |
| 01:52.06 | jacques | andersee: anyway, there is no way to get long lines as in ps -www |
| 01:52.12 | MonMotha | at least it behaves differently from util-linux's mount |
| 01:53.20 | MonMotha | if I have a line "/dev/blah / somefstype ro,sync 0 0" in my fstab, mount -o remount / (like in a bootup script) will result in a readwrite filesystem |
| 01:53.34 | MonMotha | haven't investigated why yet |
| 01:53.41 | andersee | jacques: sure there is -- use a wider terminal. :) |
| 01:54.13 | jacques | andersee: aah trying that |
| 01:55.13 | jacques | andersee: heh ok that works - sorry for the false alarm |
| 01:56.07 | ade|indy | ok how do you delete something on jffs2 when there is no space left to delete? |
| 01:56.13 | jacques | andersee: thanks BTW |
| 01:56.43 | MonMotha | ade|indy: compressed filesystems can do that sometimes |
| 01:56.54 | MonMotha | if it's really full |
| 02:00.32 | MonMotha | andersee: would you consider that a bug? or shall I just stick with util-linux? If it's a bug I can go and try to figure out why it does that |
| 02:02.10 | andersee | MonMotha: yeah, that sounds like a bug to me |
| 02:02.50 | MonMotha | man mount does indicate that unless -o ro is specified, the default is readwrite, so that may be a source of the bug in busybox |
| 02:03.05 | jacques | like it's not re-reading the fstab right |
| 02:03.11 | MonMotha | not checking for the ro option on remount |
| 02:03.22 | MonMotha | well, normally when you mount -o remount / you want readwrite :() |
| 02:03.23 | MonMotha | :) |
| 02:03.23 | jacques | or assuming -remount always implies rw |
| 02:03.30 | MonMotha | but this system is different |
| 02:03.34 | MonMotha | I think -o remount,ro works |
| 02:03.47 | MonMotha | but I can't specify that as I need people to be able to simply modify fstab |
| 02:04.01 | MonMotha | the rest of the init scripts can handle readonly root filesystems (that's not as easy as it would first seem!) |
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| 02:19.41 | sorphin | MonMotha: he's shipping mine via fedex gnd, but he's using my acct #, so... |
| 02:24.09 | MonMotha | yeah, I don't have a fedex # |
| 02:24.37 | sorphin | MonMotha: well, he can do fedex just like UPS |
| 02:24.43 | sorphin | you don't have to have an acct # |
| 02:24.54 | sorphin | i just used mine since i didn't knwo what the shipping total would be |
| 02:25.07 | MonMotha | k |
| 02:27.32 | MonMotha | amazingly cheap for fedex |
| 02:27.34 | MonMotha | only $8.46 |
| 02:27.45 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:27.50 | sorphin | MonMotha: not really |
| 02:27.54 | sorphin | fedex gnd is good |
| 02:28.14 | MonMotha | UPS ground is like $13, USPS Parcel Post is like $14 |
| 02:28.51 | sorphin | yup |
| 02:28.58 | sorphin | and UPS is a pain |
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| 02:38.44 | MonMotha | sorphin: I usually go through Mail Boxes Etc because there's one nearby and no UPS or FedEx place nearby...it's more expensive but a LOT LOT easier |
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| 02:44.03 | prpplague | man there are alot of simpson fans that read that /. post on the universe being shapped like a donut |
| 02:47.25 | prpplague | kergoth: hey kergy |
| 02:47.33 | prpplague | kergoth: whats cookin? |
| 02:47.56 | kergoth | hey dave. nada. you? |
| 02:48.14 | prpplague | kergoth: ssdd |
| 02:48.25 | prpplague | kergoth: doing laundry and trying to clean house |
| 02:48.52 | prpplague | kergoth: got a sink full of dishes and 0% motivation to clean them |
| 02:49.00 | file | prpplague: cleaning is evil... don't become like women... and have to clean everything you see |
| 02:49.22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:49.25 | GPSFan | prpplague: mmmmmm donuts... |
| 02:49.43 | prpplague | file: ya well, i'm mr.mom for awhile so its up to me |
| 02:49.45 | kergoth | donuts? hmm |
| 02:50.31 | prpplague | man, groove salad is really good tonight |
| 02:50.36 | file | prpplague: may the Quake gods have pity on you, and give you the power to blow them up |
| 02:51.03 | chouimat|tv | need a beer... brb |
| 02:51.16 | prpplague | file: the only thing i'll be blowing up is my love doll :) |
| 02:51.31 | file | prpplague: good enough |
| 02:51.35 | prpplague | lol |
| 02:51.56 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: ahh, what kind? |
| 02:52.01 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: too much info |
| 02:52.08 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: lol, ya probably |
| 02:52.11 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: Rickard's Honey Brown |
| 02:52.43 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: nice, good reviews, however, for some reason i never got to try any rickards while i was in ottawa |
| 02:53.23 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: wait i take that back, i've had the rickards red |
| 02:54.41 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: http://www.ratebeer.com/ShowBeer.asp?BeerID=248&FanOfID=1210 |
| 02:54.50 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: not bad for a molson brew |
| 02:55.34 | prpplague | china that is |
| 02:55.50 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: I like them all |
| 02:56.20 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: my favorite is the Rickard's pale, the gikd is also good |
| 02:57.06 | kergoth | mmmm scotch |
| 02:57.46 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: i could go for some fullers london porter myself |
| 02:58.02 | sorphin | MonMotha: i'm close to the UPS hub here, and 2 fedex world centers, so.. |
| 02:58.23 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: I'm actualy feeling for some velvet pussies |
| 02:58.30 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:58.49 | chouimat|tv | sorphin: guiness + port wine |
| 02:59.02 | sorphin | chouimat|tv: i know.. i just question people's namings of drinks :P |
| 02:59.17 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: ya gonna try that this weekend |
| 02:59.21 | chouimat|tv | sorphin: it's dark and pink so :P |
| 02:59.51 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: and screws with your brain |
| 03:00.14 | chouimat|tv | exactly |
| 03:00.50 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:01.08 | prpplague | as the saying goes around here "don't trust anything that bleeds for 7 days and doesn't die" |
| 03:02.06 | prpplague | TimTexanRiker: when you moving? |
| 03:02.09 | sorphin | prpplague: guess i can trust sarah then :P |
| 03:03.19 | prpplague | sorphin: ? |
| 03:04.13 | sorphin | prpplague: doesn't take her 7 days |
| 03:04.27 | prpplague | TimTexanRiker: what kindof lies did you have to put on your resume to get that TI job? "CTO of a major embedded linux company" |
| 03:04.34 | prpplague | sorphin: i see |
| 03:04.40 | prpplague | sorphin: said the blind man |
| 03:05.01 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: found the album you wanted? |
| 03:05.05 | andersee | prpplague: as he picked up his hammer and saw |
| 03:05.08 | jacques | anyone know if make -j2 is smart |
| 03:05.26 | kergoth | jacques: its from GNU. what do you think? :P |
| 03:05.34 | jacques | smart enough to back off to stay out of swap? |
| 03:06.01 | jacques | :-\ |
| 03:06.08 | jacques | my poor ipaq |
| 03:06.12 | prpplague | ok you guys make more sense when i've had a few beers |
| 03:06.25 | kergoth | haha. likewise |
| 03:06.49 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: which one? |
| 03:06.50 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: good idea I have 2 beers and 4 wines bottles here |
| 03:06.55 | chouimat|tv | alcove? |
| 03:07.04 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: you did? where? |
| 03:07.36 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: no |
| 03:07.39 | chouimat|tv | i didn't |
| 03:07.51 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: ohh, sorry, no, i didn't find it |
| 03:08.06 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: seems its an european underground album |
| 03:08.10 | kergoth | damnit, i need to buy a laptop IDE drive adapter |
| 03:08.12 | chouimat|tv | http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/ogg/private.ogg |
| 03:08.19 | kergoth | so i can reinstall linux on my magnia server |
| 03:08.36 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: apparently you can buy it on the streets in germany and belgium but i can't find any retailers for it |
| 03:09.03 | prpplague | kergoth: those are pretty cheap, should be able to get one for just a couple of dollars |
| 03:09.18 | prpplague | kergoth: which magnia did you get? |
| 03:09.23 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: just give me the album info and I will see if my mother can find it in switzerland |
| 03:09.36 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: will do, i have it at the office |
| 03:09.45 | chouimat|tv | k |
| 03:10.17 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: btw, i'm trying to loose weight so, i'm on the wagon except for friday night's |
| 03:10.27 | kergoth | prpplague: sg20 |
| 03:10.33 | kergoth | prpplague: i dont own a laptop. heh |
| 03:10.58 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh i was planning to purchase one before all this wife/hospital/divorce shit |
| 03:10.59 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: I need to loose some too put about 45 pounds last year |
| 03:11.26 | chouimat|tv | sg20? |
| 03:11.41 | kergoth | ibot: google for toshiba magnia sg20 |
| 03:12.20 | prpplague | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?sku=T24-1556%20P |
| 03:12.29 | prpplague | oops |
| 03:12.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:12.44 | prpplague | i'm slower that a dialup brain tonight |
| 03:12.56 | sorphin | good lord |
| 03:12.58 | kergoth | thats pretty bad |
| 03:13.29 | MonMotha | sorphin: the fedex regional hub is about 20-30min from me |
| 03:14.08 | prpplague | kergoth: are you able to make the lcd work under linux? |
| 03:14.36 | kergoth | prpplague: was planning on stealing their app that they use to do so from their redhat install before i wipe it and load up debian |
| 03:14.40 | kergoth | prpplague: :) |
| 03:14.44 | MonMotha | dammit |
| 03:14.45 | kergoth | but i cant fuck with it without that adapter! |
| 03:14.50 | MonMotha | I can't figure out why my sshd is segfaulting |
| 03:15.34 | jacques | what's the proc in the magnia ? |
| 03:15.53 | MonMotha | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5118 Mar 12 03:17 ldd |
| 03:15.53 | MonMotha | gigapet:/usr/bin# ./ldd |
| 03:15.53 | MonMotha | ./ldd: No such file or directory |
| 03:15.54 | MonMotha | fun |
| 03:16.21 | prpplague | kergoth: http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=HD-108 |
| 03:16.54 | file | Goodnight everyone! |
| 03:17.00 | prpplague | kergoth: those are great, you can desolder the pins and create all kinds of adapters with it |
| 03:17.17 | kergoth | hey, sweet |
| 03:17.18 | kergoth | thanks |
| 03:17.23 | kergoth | shouldve thought to check compgeeks. good place |
| 03:17.28 | prpplague | kergoth: alot of the adapters have a right angle to them and are hard to use for other projects |
| 03:18.05 | jacques | s magnia geode based? |
| 03:18.18 | prpplague | kergoth: i actuall use them alot to hack thin clients that have 44pin ide connectors |
| 03:19.22 | prpplague | kergoth: funny thing, i was one of compgeeks first customers back in 1994 |
| 03:19.45 | kergoth | ah cool. :) |
| 03:19.56 | MonMotha | ah, when did ldd become a shell script? |
| 03:20.05 | jacques | ah it's a celeron |
| 03:20.16 | file | prpplague: do they actual talk like a person in support responses? |
| 03:20.27 | file | prpplague: not some cold hearted template response? |
| 03:20.37 | prpplague | file: they did way back then |
| 03:20.46 | file | prpplague: bah |
| 03:20.49 | kergoth | MonMotha: heh, try LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 /path/to/binary.. ldd does that and some more |
| 03:20.49 | prpplague | file: i usually talked to the owner and his wife |
| 03:20.56 | file | prpplague: neat |
| 03:21.26 | prpplague | file: they used to be located across the hall from evertek and thats where they still get alot of their wholesale stuff |
| 03:21.39 | file | prpplague: mmm nifty |
| 03:22.19 | MonMotha | kergoth: I see |
| 03:22.38 | prpplague | file: i remember ordering 50 8x ide cdroms from compgeeks and selling all 50 the day i got them in, i thought i was in re-sale heaven |
| 03:22.50 | MonMotha | ok, that worked |
| 03:22.56 | MonMotha | now if I could just figure out why it's segfaulting |
| 03:22.58 | file | prpplague: lol |
| 03:23.44 | chouimat|bored | prpplague: hehe |
| 03:24.24 | prpplague | file: i used to buy 8086/8088 boxes with cga monitors by the pound at auctions, get abunch of high school kids to strip, clean, re-build, and test them |
| 03:25.01 | prpplague | file: i'd load them with dr-dos and a bunch of shareware, and have about $5 in the system, sell it for $200 |
| 03:25.05 | chouimat|bored | prpplague: bought some a500 some years ago for 25 bucks, resold them at 75 :) |
| 03:25.23 | file | prpplague: congrats |
| 03:25.48 | prpplague | file: had 6 stores at one time, selling all used equipment |
| 03:26.20 | MonMotha | dammit...why is this segfaulting |
| 03:26.21 | file | prpplague: I hate to cut this short - but I... need... sleep :) |
| 03:26.27 | MonMotha | works on my host system, but not on the target |
| 03:26.37 | prpplague | echo "1" > /proc/file/sleep |
| 03:26.38 | file | MonMotha: I know the feeling - I tried to debug a perl script for 3+ hours with no luck |
| 03:27.02 | MonMotha | well, normally I can see it when I strace the process..but this time I can't |
| 03:27.18 | MonMotha | the ssh client works fine, but the daemon dies |
| 03:27.26 | MonMotha | actually nm |
| 03:27.27 | kergoth | MonMotha: segfaults are often difficult to isolate with strace. use gdb adn get a backtrace |
| 03:27.33 | MonMotha | ssh client eventually segfaults too |
| 03:27.40 | MonMotha | kergoth: gunna be really easy with NO debugging :) |
| 03:27.53 | MonMotha | and no gdb in the target... |
| 03:28.03 | kergoth | MonMotha: use a gdbserver on the desktop, keep the symbols there and feel free to strip the version on the target |
| 03:28.05 | MonMotha | can gdb run something in a different root (in other words, launch gdb then chroot)? |
| 03:28.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:28.15 | MonMotha | kergoth: target is actually just a chroot ni this case |
| 03:28.22 | kergoth | ah |
| 03:28.48 | MonMotha | it works on my host debian install, but the instant I chroot in and try to run it, it dies with a segfault |
| 03:29.00 | MonMotha | both apps die at the same time |
| 03:29.08 | kergoth | thats pretty strange. |
| 03:29.26 | MonMotha | might be a bug in my library |
| 03:29.33 | MonMotha | I'm using an unproven libcrypto too |
| 03:31.05 | prpplague | kergoth: how is that lcd connected on the magnia? serial? |
| 03:31.58 | MonMotha | yep, it's the library |
| 03:32.03 | MonMotha | the library ripped from my debian install works |
| 03:33.40 | MonMotha | though it's quite a bit bigger than mine, though that's what you pay to get something that works I guess :) |
| 03:33.45 | MonMotha | I can try compilign without -Os |
| 03:35.26 | MonMotha | it makes a big difference in size on openssl for some reason (usually the -Os option makes a few k difference, it was like 75k in this case) |
| 03:36.15 | MonMotha | dammit, that wasn't it |
| 03:41.41 | MonMotha | ok...got one that works, though it's over a meg |
| 03:41.45 | chouimat|bored | wooooohoooo voyager is working |
| 03:45.50 | jacques | huh? |
| 03:46.34 | chouimat|bored | jacques: very old laptop |
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| 04:24.49 | Sammy | anyone here know's how to fixed booting hang on "Warning: unable to open an initial console." this line ? |
| 04:25.08 | kergoth | figure out why you dont have a /dev/console |
| 04:25.30 | Sammy | how to test that ? |
| 04:25.40 | Sammy | I am sure I have that device |
| 04:26.10 | MonMotha | heh, that one |
| 04:26.21 | MonMotha | I had that one and I had /dev/console too...I don't remember what caused it |
| 04:26.43 | kergoth | probably some other critical device missing |
| 04:27.15 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 04:27.33 | MonMotha | I just ran cp -a /dev /targetroot/dev on my debian box :) |
| 04:27.45 | MonMotha | device nodes aren't very big, and if you're running a compressed fs (like an initrd), they compress well too :) |
| 04:27.54 | MonMotha | they take up one inode IIRC |
| 04:28.12 | kergoth | yeah. course if you're putting them in flash you'll want them in a ramdisk to avoid unnecessary writes due to tty permission changes.. but .. :) |
| 04:28.40 | MonMotha | kergoth: yep, not to mention that syslogd has to create a fifo at startup |
| 04:28.45 | kergoth | the way we're doing it for my distro is working well |
| 04:28.53 | Sammy | or can I close the initrd config and jump it ? |
| 04:28.55 | MonMotha | which is a big deal if you're running / as a readonly filesystem (liek I am) |
| 04:28.59 | kergoth | tomw had a makedevs c app to mknod() the devices based on a device table |
| 04:29.06 | kergoth | so I crosscompiled it, and included the device table ion /etc |
| 04:29.15 | kergoth | so it populates the ramdisk on boot based on it :) |
| 04:29.28 | MonMotha | that's how I do it |
| 04:29.58 | kergoth | cleaner than a dev tarball, and avoids the problems with /boot/dev/ (that is, you cant include devices in packages, if you're using a package management system) |
| 04:30.08 | MonMotha | I have a /dev on the filesystem (though I could probably make it much smaller as it's only used to enable swap), then I mount a tmpfs and populate it from a gzipped tarball in /etc |
| 04:30.41 | kergoth | yeah, that type of thing works well |
| 04:32.17 | MonMotha | hum, I need to see if I can hack together some more stuff into the ifupdown pre-up and post-down scripts |
| 04:32.25 | MonMotha | and if busybox ifupdown can handle them |
| 04:32.35 | kergoth | that reminds me |
| 04:32.39 | MonMotha | I need vlans, bridges (which debian already handles...very cool), bonds, etc |
| 04:32.49 | MonMotha | you should all the oddball networking tools I have :) |
| 04:32.53 | kergoth | I need to switch to using the wireless-tools pre-up/post-down |
| 04:33.00 | kergoth | i'm sick to death of wireless.opts |
| 04:33.46 | MonMotha | heh |
| 04:36.46 | kergoth | MonMotha: what do you do for a livign? |
| 05:08.21 | MonMotha | kergoth: unix sysadmin, network admin, network physical stuff (cable monkey work), network security |
| 05:08.29 | MonMotha | bunches of stuff |
| 05:08.49 | MonMotha | my current job is building an overfeatured router on a 32MB flash card...my objective is to do it in 16MB or less |
| 05:08.56 | MonMotha | though net-snmp is big |
| 05:09.04 | MonMotha | (they want to have MRTG pull stats off of it) |
| 05:09.20 | kergoth | ah, cool |
| 05:09.28 | MonMotha | and of course full traffic control, filtering, etc |
| 05:09.46 | MonMotha | also want a redirect to a web page with info for subscribing to the service (it's for an 802.11b installation) |
| 05:09.53 | MonMotha | for non-subscribers |
| 05:10.07 | MonMotha | doable, jsut takes space for the web server (I might use busybox's built in server! :) |
| 05:10.17 | MonMotha | (does it work? all it has to do is serve a static page) |
| 05:10.23 | kergoth | try boa |
| 05:10.27 | kergoth | nice minimal http server |
| 05:10.31 | kergoth | i havent used the busybox one myself |
| 05:10.38 | MonMotha | well, I noticed busybox reecently had one put in |
| 05:10.41 | MonMotha | thought about trying it |
| 05:10.47 | MonMotha | but I'll keep boa in mind too |
| 05:10.51 | kergoth | if you do, let me know how it is |
| 05:11.25 | MonMotha | I'm currently sitting at about 10MB, but about 1-1.5MB of it is kernel stuff that will be removed before the final version (lots of extra modules, networking code, etc) |
| 05:11.40 | MonMotha | and other utils useful really only for debugging |
| 05:12.05 | MonMotha | I also have things like mount from util-linux because busybox mount can't handle my readonly / partition, so if that gets fixed I'll go back to busybox mount saving like 100k |
| 05:12.51 | MonMotha | I can also probably dump e2fsck and such as it's an ext3 filesystem...if it's that badly hosed you rip the flash card out and repair it in a real ssytem with a CF card reader :) |
| 05:12.58 | MonMotha | that'll save like 120k |
| 05:13.05 | MonMotha | 150k actually |
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| 05:47.44 | TimTexanRiker | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3134551333.html |
| 05:49.00 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: cool |
| 05:52.02 | jacques | niice |
| 05:52.25 | TimTexanRiker | old news, but I'm digging for others that may have specs. |
| 05:52.47 | TimTexanRiker | at least that has a picture of the dct5000 ;-) |
| 05:53.06 | TimTexanRiker | looks like liberate might have done some work on the dct5000. |
| 05:56.23 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: so is the only major diff between the 5000 and 5100/5200, a HD and pvr sw ? |
| 05:59.06 | TimTexanRiker | that's the diff tween the 5100 and 5200 afaik. I think the 5000 is a slower cpu and perhaps other changes. |
| 05:59.15 | sorphin | ah |
| 05:59.38 | TimTexanRiker | looks like the 5100 has a front line in and usb jacks etc. |
| 06:01.53 | TimTexanRiker | http://ph.motorola.com/news_releases/3q-01-3new.html |
| 06:06.29 | jacques | the units > 5000 have hdtv |
| 06:07.52 | TimTexanRiker | http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://gi.com/ <- browsing... |
| 06:12.35 | TimTexanRiker | http://web.archive.org/web/20010124153000/http://gicout60.gic.gi.com/customer_docs/user_guides/468853-001-99.pdf |
| 06:14.26 | TimTexanRiker | http://gicout60.gic.gi.com/customer_docs/#user |
| 06:15.00 | sorphin | jacques: well, hdtv is useless to me |
| 06:15.16 | chouimat | TimTexanRiker: that the user guide that come with it? |
| 06:15.42 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: basically i was pondering if a 5000 could be 'adapted' to a 5100/5200, obviously minus the front jacks, hdtv, and stuff like that |
| 06:16.20 | chouimat | sorphin: If you can't had a hd in it, just plug a firewire one |
| 06:16.37 | kergoth | win 14 |
| 06:16.38 | kergoth | dman / |
| 06:16.47 | chouimat | kergoth: hehe |
| 06:17.46 | kergoth | the more i drink, the most often I fail to switch windows in irssi |
| 06:17.49 | kergoth | s/most/more/ |
| 06:18.02 | chouimat | kergoth: so stop drinking and got a date |
| 06:18.08 | jacques | can you boot off of firewire? |
| 06:20.17 | TimTexanRiker | chouimat: yep. the same. |
| 06:20.54 | TimTexanRiker | jacques: doubt it. |
| 06:22.03 | jacques | TimTexanRiker: yeah me too I was only pointing out that attaching a HD via firewire or USB is not the same as via IDE |
| 06:23.32 | chouimat | jacques: yup but it's better than nothing |
| 06:24.04 | jacques | ype |
| 06:24.06 | jacques | yep |
| 06:32.11 | jacques | OK I am heading home |
| 06:36.30 | TimTexanRiker | http://www.tomshardware.com/technews/20010611.html <- dct 2000 == old dct 5000 ? |
| 06:37.58 | chouimat|zzz | night |
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| 06:43.11 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: [mbm] is a friend from tivo hacking stuff, and another linux hacker.. funny how you mentioned the dct2000, that's what he has w/ his cable |
| 06:43.30 | sorphin | apparently the 2k is junk |
| 06:43.42 | [mbm] | yep, terrible piece of shit |
| 06:44.17 | TimTexanRiker | any insight on the dct5000? |
| 06:44.19 | [mbm] | "TVGuide.com" all over the place |
| 06:44.47 | [mbm] | don't know anything about the 5000 if you're asking me |
| 06:44.52 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: he was also unfortunate enough to work for VA ;) |
| 06:44.59 | TimTexanRiker | [mbm]: know any liberate folk? I think I'll ping chris worley and see if he knows of any dct5000 docs/software anyplace. |
| 06:45.24 | [mbm] | sorphin: hey, I was one of the few that made it out with money |
| 06:46.07 | [mbm] | TimTexanRiker: nope, started ripping apart the serial specification from spying on the connection to the tivo |
| 06:46.32 | TimTexanRiker | [mbm]: cool |
| 06:46.58 | [mbm] | protocol itself isn't too bad, I just couldn't work out the checksum at the end of the packets |
| 06:49.06 | chouimat|zzz | TimTexanRiker: found the nec vr5432 books |
| 06:50.29 | TimTexanRiker | chouimat|zzz: sweet. update the wiki page with any info you find. |
| 06:51.13 | TimTexanRiker | [mbm]: keep trying with random checksums till the packet is accepted? ;-) |
| 06:52.03 | [mbm] | TimTexanRiker: I could work it out for small blocks of relitively similar packets |
| 06:53.51 | chouimat|zzz | TimTexanRiker: done |
| 06:54.27 | chouimat|zzz | hmmmm FPU |
| 06:55.22 | sorphin | chouimat|zzz: um.. the 5432 is a nice chip, as i said earlier, the series 2 tivo uses it |
| 06:55.47 | chouimat|zzz | sorphin: just add the links for the PDFs |
| 06:55.52 | chouimat|zzz | s/add/added |
| 06:56.12 | sorphin | nod |
| 06:56.25 | TimTexanRiker | nice. |
| 06:56.32 | sorphin | chouimat|zzz: find anything for the other nec mips on there? |
| 06:58.15 | chouimat|zzz | sorphin: http://www.necelam.com/microprocessors/index.cfm |
| 06:58.54 | chouimat|zzz | sorphin: yup the vr10000 and vr12000 |
| 06:59.12 | chouimat|zzz | ok I'm off |
| 06:59.18 | sorphin | night |
| 06:59.33 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: gonna be able to toss out tracking #s when you ship em off? |
| 07:05.23 | fontenot | anyone know how much ram these puppies have onboard? I am thinking 32MB |
| 07:05.43 | fontenot | since I saw something about being expandable to 90MB and assuming a 64MB SODIMM |
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| 07:33.23 | TimTexanRiker | sorphin: planning to ship USPS, so no. those going fedex will. |
| 07:34.19 | TimTexanRiker | nite |
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| 14:36.46 | chouimat | morning |
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| 14:57.58 | prpplague | moo moo moo |
| 14:58.43 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 14:58.58 | prpplague | morning |
| 15:11.32 | sorphin | lo |
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| 15:29.45 | chouimat | morning TomW |
| 15:30.02 | TomW | morning |
| 15:30.10 | prpplague | morning TomW |
| 15:30.22 | TomW | morning dave |
| 15:31.49 | prpplague | TomW: no early "panic'd isp" wake up calls this morning? |
| 15:32.00 | TomW | heh, I know that I am still asleep when I take a sip of me tea, put it down & forget where I put it. Then grab an empty cup (second one) and decide that I need more tea... |
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| 15:33.01 | TomW | no, I just have to research some functionality I added to some 8051 code a while back to see what version I added the small improvement. |
| 15:33.12 | sieve | morning all |
| 15:33.24 | prpplague | TomW: fun |
| 15:33.29 | TomW | sieve: morning |
| 15:33.44 | chouimat | TomW: sound boring |
| 15:33.53 | prpplague | TomW: i wish i could get my motivation back to do some tech projects myself |
| 15:33.59 | TomW | prpplague: I have to learn more about versioning code in cvs so I can pull it out by release number rather than by date. |
| 15:34.41 | TomW | I still get nervous when dealing with esoteric stuff with the cvs. |
| 15:35.15 | prpplague | TomW: on small projects, i'm really bad about just doing tarballs and burning them on cd |
| 15:35.36 | TomW | so, I just keep commiting and releasing code without any correlation between the code in cvs and the version, except for a number stored in one source file. |
| 15:37.33 | TomW | what I'd like to do is "mark" the instant state of the cvs code "pile" with a version number, snapshot it essentially, so later I can do a 'cvs co -V 4.7.2 muxpad2' and get that snapshot back again of the version 4.7.2. |
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| 15:38.34 | TomW | It is probably doable somehow, but I don't know enough about cvs to do this, and I can be dangerous to myself when I am in that position (thinking that I know what I am doing, but not :( |
| 15:38.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 15:38.53 | chouimat | TomW: read the nice manual |
| 15:39.02 | TomW | :( |
| 15:39.21 | chouimat | TomW: or the man page |
| 15:39.25 | TomW | chouimat: yeah. I should, someday. |
| 15:39.42 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: monring |
| 15:39.46 | chouimat | TomW: or use that cvs tag :) |
| 15:39.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: scott contact you yet? |
| 15:40.01 | TomW | For now, checking the release data and pulling from cvs by date is enough to get by. |
| 15:40.55 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: not yet |
| 15:41.16 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: morning mr pixil |
| 15:41.39 | TomW | chouimat: yeah, was thinking along those lines of tagging the repository (a kind of bookmark in Time). I had looked at one other command that would alter the rev numbers of all files within the repository but it seemed that could have dangerous implications later on. |
| 15:42.30 | chouimat | TomW: they create branch |
| 15:42.38 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: morning |
| 15:43.41 | TomW | chouimat: yeah, I have the info page up now. The whole branching concept I have to read about too as I have some massive work to do planned on the source code and don't want to affect the known good sources. |
| 15:44.25 | sorphin | TomW: morning gramps |
| 15:47.34 | TomW | I hate reading shit like this in the info file: " Warning: the commands in this section are |
| 15:47.34 | TomW | dangerous; they permanently discard historical information and it can |
| 15:47.34 | TomW | difficult or impossible to recover from errors.', |
| 15:47.41 | TomW | makes me uneasy... |
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| 15:48.58 | sorphin | TomW: heh |
| 15:52.48 | TomW | sorphin: the author of the cvs info file makes statements such as this: "The subject of exactly how tagging interacts with adding and |
| 15:52.48 | TomW | removing files is somewhat obscure". That leads me to believe that the author doesn't know what is being documented! |
| 15:53.31 | sorphin | TomW: prolly not |
| 15:54.02 | sorphin | TomW: so do i :P |
| 15:54.09 | sorphin | got |
| 15:55.01 | TomW | sorphin: life in the fast lane... |
| 15:55.35 | TomW | ok, I got to stop stalling and start messing with that old code.. :( |
| 16:05.31 | sorphin | weatherbot: weather kstl |
| 16:05.33 | weatherbot | Current conditions at St. Louis, Lambert-St. Louis International Airport, MO, United States: It is 12 C (54 F), windspeed is 16.09 km/h, and visibility is 11.27 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.12 1453 UTC). |
| 16:07.42 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: does pixil build on freebsd? |
| 16:15.21 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: *shrug* |
| 16:15.35 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: who knows? At this point, it builds on my system, and thats all I can test at this point |
| 16:17.25 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: ok |
| 16:18.11 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: aren't you jumping the gun a bit? We're not even sure if it is going be released at this point |
| 16:18.29 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i'll pretend i didn't hear that :P |
| 16:19.04 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I'm seriously thinking of bailing on Greg |
| 16:19.26 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: screw greg, we just want pixil |
| 16:19.51 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you know if you just leave it to/with him, it'll end up down the toilet in the end |
| 16:20.20 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: ok I will build qtopia on that laptop then |
| 16:20.38 | sorphin | chouimat: ewww |
| 16:21.18 | chouimat | sorphin: :) |
| 16:21.35 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah, but its headed down the toilet anyway - I can't help it |
| 16:21.46 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heh |
| 16:21.56 | sorphin | tis a shame |
| 16:22.19 | sorphin | i was actually looking forward to replacing the garbage on my Z w/ it |
| 16:22.25 | sorphin | in OZ |
| 16:22.42 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: which disgrace do you want to adress today - his insisting that we include the busted ass ViewML browser with the distro (bring it up to a robust 20MB source tree) |
| 16:23.08 | CosmicPenguin | Or his demand that I redo all of the widgets so they work with Truetype instead of fixed fonts? |
| 16:23.43 | sorphin | being as unblunt as i can be ;p |
| 16:25.29 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: does he even know anything? :P |
| 16:25.39 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: of course he does |
| 16:25.54 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: what - are you saying that the Strongarm can't render truetype quickly? |
| 16:25.59 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: the hell you say! |
| 16:26.08 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heh |
| 16:27.21 | prpplague | hmm, looks likes it gonna be a busy summer, we are gonna convert all of our existing SCO customers to linux by the end of september |
| 16:27.52 | prpplague | we have over 100 customers demanding refunds on license from SCO |
| 16:27.57 | sorphin | prpplague: so they might be keeping your POS lovin around? |
| 16:28.01 | sorphin | +arse |
| 16:28.07 | TomW | prpplague: ow! ow! ow! |
| 16:28.33 | prpplague | sorphin: yep |
| 16:28.41 | sorphin | prpplague: cool deal |
| 16:28.43 | prpplague | sorphin: for the forseeable future |
| 16:29.12 | sorphin | prpplague: while granted, that sucks in that you have to stay *there*, it's good news, for the paycheck |
| 16:29.27 | prpplague | sorphin: yep, plus lots of travel |
| 16:29.53 | sorphin | prpplague: if you happen to hit st louis area or nearby |
| 16:29.56 | sorphin | prpplague: let me know |
| 16:31.08 | prpplague | sorphin: honduras, panama, seattle, grandbahamas, nassau, turks-n-cacos, caymans, dominica, st.kitts,st.croix,aruba, and barbados |
| 16:31.17 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:31.27 | sorphin | almost all tropical |
| 16:31.43 | prpplague | sorphin: we actually don't have very many customers in that area |
| 16:32.35 | CosmicPenguin | hehe... that list above looks like a "one of these isn't like the other" quizes |
| 16:32.42 | CosmicPenguin | Which one of these cities do not fit? |
| 16:33.10 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: Seattle! |
| 16:33.13 | sorphin | prpplague: thought you did :P |
| 16:33.54 | sorphin | sjhill: i thought you got an M for mips |
| 16:35.19 | sjhill | heh |
| 16:35.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i asked for that one since seattle has a great beer selection |
| 16:35.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: otherwise, imho seattle is as bad as some of the thirdworld countries i've been too |
| 16:36.25 | sorphin | prpplague: you mean it's full of grunge loving coffee addicts? |
| 16:36.36 | sorphin | s/it/they are/ |
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| 16:37.04 | prpplague | sorphin: the streets are dirty, the women are ugly, the ppl are rude, the food sucks, the roads are narrow |
| 16:37.45 | prpplague | sorphin: seattle ranks #1 on my "shit-city" list |
| 16:37.57 | sorphin | prpplague: you've never been to LA then ;) |
| 16:38.09 | prpplague | sorphin: ya, been there |
| 16:38.14 | chouimat | prpplague: try Quebec City some day |
| 16:38.40 | Morn | toss me a working cable modem :-( |
| 16:38.46 | sorphin | prpplague doesn't like anywhere that doesn't live on beer |
| 16:39.03 | sorphin | Morn: never seen one ;) |
| 16:39.06 | prpplague | sorphin: not true |
| 16:39.17 | prpplague | sorphin: i live where the beer is aweful |
| 16:39.30 | prpplague | sorphin: i value food and friendly ppl above all |
| 16:39.33 | sorphin | prpplague: well, i never said you like where you are :P |
| 16:40.10 | sorphin | sjhill: yo sjMIPS |
| 16:40.20 | prpplague | sorphin: about 5 years ago, 20/20 did a test where they went all across america rigging atm machines to spit out extra $100 bills |
| 16:40.31 | sjhill | sorphin: yes? |
| 16:40.49 | prpplague | sorphin: the city i live in was the ONLY city in the nation where every dollar was returned |
| 16:41.06 | sorphin | sjhill: since you used to work for the sister/parent/whatever company |
| 16:41.21 | sorphin | sjhill: did you know/see any of the qual of visiontek's video cards? |
| 16:41.39 | sjhill | sorphin: sadly, no |
| 16:41.40 | sorphin | my geforce 256 wasn't bad.. till a couple months ago (that's after a few years).. |
| 16:41.47 | sorphin | nod |
| 16:41.58 | sjhill | sorphin: i saw them lying around, but never saw output from them |
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| 16:52.37 | TomW | Morn: we have some, but they are not cheap. |
| 16:53.12 | TomW | Morn: 3COM com21 (DOXport 1010 series) |
| 16:54.29 | Morn | I just got a Motorola SB4200, it was all CC had, and I needed it ASAP |
| 16:54.34 | Morn | I'm not happy about this though |
| 16:54.51 | Morn | I have 2 cable modems in the house, one for residential and one for business... |
| 16:54.56 | Morn | and it's the business modem that is dying |
| 16:55.47 | TomW | Morn: why two modems? Do you need server ports or something? (ports < 1024) |
| 16:56.20 | Morn | one is for the business, it has a static IP and I run the webservers/mail servers/shell server off it... the other is just for general use in the house |
| 16:56.35 | TomW | k |
| 16:57.05 | TomW | So, the static IP is tied to the MAC of the business modem? |
| 16:57.10 | Morn | yeah |
| 16:57.19 | prpplague | does anyone really believe that m$ had another reason for buying into corel other than to shut down their linux work? |
| 16:57.21 | Morn | it actually has 1 static and 8 dynamic IP's |
| 16:57.51 | TomW | k, what I did here is that the modem MAC is not what they tied the static IP to but rather the MAC of my computer ethernet card. |
| 16:58.21 | Morn | no, it's based on the modems here |
| 16:58.32 | Morn | I went through this before when I switched modems, it's a pain |
| 16:58.46 | TomW | as I upgraded the computer + ethernet interface, I would simply assign the old ethernet MAC to each successive card and keep the static ip assignment to the server. |
| 16:59.29 | TomW | Morn: that stinks, tying it to the modem. sounds like your ISP is just getting started with cable modems and is still clueless. |
| 16:59.50 | Morn | it's Charter Communications |
| 17:00.00 | TomW | dunno them |
| 17:00.03 | Morn | I don't have much choice here, I can't get DSL and they are the only cable provider |
| 17:00.17 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: thats pretty standard, apparently, because my cable company does the same thing |
| 17:01.03 | TomW | yeah, my only broadband choise is cable modem. Stinking competition protection in my state won't allow competition except when the providers business can withstand it. |
| 17:01.51 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm... march madness baby! What time does the MWC tourney start? |
| 17:02.01 | TomW | Morn, how do you *know* that it is tied to the MAC of the modem? Tried switching the modems on the server and doing a hard reset of the modem? |
| 17:02.12 | Morn | yes |
| 17:02.15 | TomW | k |
| 17:02.24 | TomW | then your isp is clueless. |
| 17:02.25 | Morn | and like I said, I had to do this before, it required giving them the mac addr of the modem |
| 17:03.20 | TomW | hmmm. One thing that I found was you can test the quality of the line by using long pings (1000 bytes). Maybe the modem is okay but you have a faulty splitter. |
| 17:04.03 | Morn | I have a dedicated line for the 2 cable modems, and one works fine and the other doesn't |
| 17:04.06 | TomW | The RF levels have to be within a very narrow limit for the cable modem to function properly. |
| 17:04.14 | sorphin | charter is the only cable co here |
| 17:04.29 | sorphin | i'd rather use dialup then their cablemodem |
| 17:05.09 | TomW | Morn: yeah, but you have some kind of a signal splitter in the line to feed both modems, has to do with termination impedance. The splitter keeps the impedances presented to the RF amplifiers happy. |
| 17:05.10 | Morn | sorphin: well, I can't run my server off dialup, too much traffic any more |
| 17:05.34 | sorphin | Morn: heh, well, you can't seem to run it well on cable either.. thought of colo? |
| 17:05.57 | TomW | Morn: I was fortunate enough to find someone with a T1 who needs a network / system admin and they let me hang my server on their T1. |
| 17:06.04 | Morn | when I was working for ISP's I co-lo'd because it was free... any more I just don't want my machine somewhere lese |
| 17:06.29 | TomW | Morn: ... warm & comfy at home? |
| 17:06.35 | TomW | heh |
| 17:06.54 | TomW | ... "right where I can keep an eye on it".... |
| 17:07.13 | Morn | it was colo'd in CA at one point, and it drove me batty |
| 17:07.21 | Morn | the techs out there were CLUELESS |
| 17:08.21 | Morn | oh, I saw a neat book on AI/GA today at the bookstore, but the $83 pricetag made me ill |
| 17:08.23 | TomW | Yeah, my server is 6 miles down the road from me (8 minute drive) and I have a key to the building. |
| 17:10.41 | TomW | well, time to hop in the car and go integrate a new DSL modem into the Newton store... |
| 17:13.04 | CosmicPenguin | Woo-hoo! Microsoft just paid me money! |
| 17:13.16 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:13.28 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: whys that? |
| 17:13.43 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: dividends |
| 17:13.49 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:13.55 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i can't talk to you anymore |
| 17:14.06 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: why not - it makes perfect sense |
| 17:14.14 | sorphin | you own stock in M$ |
| 17:14.43 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: you know that M$ isn't going to be stopped - for everyone one of us in this room, there are at least 10 people who wouldn't touch Linux with a 10 foot pole |
| 17:15.04 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: doesn't matter to me what they touch |
| 17:15.48 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: so, I figure, if Microsoft is going to steamroll the world, I figure I might as well make some cash money in the mean time |
| 17:15.57 | sorphin | nod |
| 17:16.12 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: of course, the stock has plumeted, and continued to plumet since I bought it, so I guess my karma is being adjusted |
| 17:16.21 | sorphin | ;) |
| 17:20.11 | CosmicPenguin | mmmm... basketball |
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| 18:38.34 | sorphin | TimRiker: allo mr TI linux man |
| 18:42.27 | chouimat | hey TimRiker |
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| 18:59.52 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: where? |
| 19:00.01 | CosmicPenguin | It was on /. |
| 19:00.08 | CosmicPenguin | http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA03377 |
| 19:02.07 | TimTexanRiker | sorphin: ;-) |
| 19:03.06 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: been able to get the DCT's off yet? (you mentioned right as you left you were doing USPS for the other, except for the fedex ones (mine were fedex gnd)).. |
| 19:03.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that from the /. post about the metor? |
| 19:04.20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah - its kinda neat |
| 19:05.13 | sorphin | eta: ~28 mins |
| 19:05.18 | CosmicPenguin | its a bigun |
| 19:07.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i tried to dl it when it was /.'d but it never would complete |
| 19:08.46 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I would toss it on my server, but I'm afraid I would trigger my bandwidth limitations |
| 19:09.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: np, i was planning to grab it later anyway |
| 19:22.55 | sorphin | eww |
| 19:23.03 | sorphin | down to 45K/s now |
| 19:23.13 | sorphin | 56 mins |
| 19:23.22 | sorphin | ok, who's filling up nasa's T1 and slowing me down? :P |
| 19:24.41 | TimTexanRiker | you think NASA just has a t1? |
| 19:24.54 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: the way this speed is gradually dropping :P |
| 19:24.56 | TimTexanRiker | sorphin: working on finishing boxing now. |
| 19:25.16 | TimTexanRiker | I think you underestimate government spending. ;-) |
| 19:25.18 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: ah |
| 19:25.22 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: not really |
| 19:25.32 | sorphin | TimTexanRiker: we have USPS for a customer ;) |
| 19:25.39 | sorphin | and social sec |
| 19:26.38 | TimTexanRiker | heh |
| 19:32.28 | chouimat|work | Zzzzzz |
| 19:32.56 | chouimat|work | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2916669204&category=1467 |
| 19:33.46 | sorphin | oh my gawd |
| 19:34.22 | chouimat|work | sorphin: yup |
| 19:35.02 | sorphin | chouimat|work: kergoth could use it :P |
| 19:35.15 | chouimat|work | sorphin: I posted him the url :) |
| 19:35.33 | sorphin | heehe |
| 19:36.21 | CosmicPenguin | 10 bucks? |
| 19:37.20 | TimTexanRiker | http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2916669204 <- that's what's really sad. |
| 19:39.10 | kergoth`zzz | lol |
| 19:39.18 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: i just sent you a vitally important email about HDTV |
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| 19:39.21 | chouimat|work | TimTexanRiker: people are actualy biding on that????? |
| 19:41.36 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: is that the card that you have? |
| 19:41.36 | [mbm] | * actual girlfriend not included |
| 19:43.07 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: no but the same chipset |
| 19:43.15 | [mbm] | suppose now all they need is a cure for blindness |
| 19:43.30 | signal11 | i just want to be able to do this: cat /dev/hdtv_channel_40 > foo.mpg |
| 19:43.44 | signal11 | i think that the teralogic chip is all you need for that |
| 19:44.16 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: it should be |
| 19:44.28 | signal11 | my card has a lot of other junk on it that i don't care about, audio processing, output to vga etc |
| 19:44.35 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: so you getting on this then? Lets see some register values, dammit! |
| 19:44.40 | signal11 | i'm keeping my fingers crossed |
| 19:44.44 | signal11 | hell yeah |
| 19:44.55 | signal11 | not that i have time to play with it but i'll find a way |
| 19:47.42 | file | hi all |
| 19:51.43 | sieve | lo file |
| 19:57.18 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:57.23 | sorphin | project neo is back apparently |
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| 20:28.24 | TimTexanRiker | hmm... <[mbm]> * actual girlfriend not included ... <signal11> CosmicPenguin: no but the same chipset |
| 20:28.44 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:29.34 | TimTexanRiker | now what I want is the girlfriend chipset that has instant suspend/resume support. |
| 20:29.56 | file | TimTexanRiker: it'll take a few versions before we see that |
| 20:30.05 | TimTexanRiker | file: if ever. ;-) |
| 20:30.11 | file | TimTexanRiker: hehe |
| 20:31.08 | chouimat|work | guys |
| 20:32.17 | file | chouimat|work: that's mostly us |
| 20:34.13 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: re |
| 20:34.17 | file | CosmicPenguin: yah!!!!! hi |
| 20:34.22 | CosmicPenguin | hi |
| 20:35.35 | chouimat|work | CALICE!!!! |
| 20:36.40 | CosmicPenguin | You know what... I like and use C++ on a regular basis |
| 20:36.48 | CosmicPenguin | but the STL really, really pisses me off |
| 20:37.16 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: eh? |
| 20:37.40 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: know what is pissind me off: when the floppy drive head came with the floppy while installing an OS on a laptop |
| 20:38.27 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|work: smoke? |
| 20:39.04 | kergoth | chouimat|work: you mean the head came _out_ of the drive when you pulled the floppy disk out? |
| 20:39.10 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: yup |
| 20:39.34 | chouimat|work | s/CosmicPenguin/kergoth |
| 20:40.07 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|work: prolly because you were installing BSD...:) |
| 20:40.19 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: nope linux |
| 20:40.59 | chouimat|work | and the cdrom is dead too .... |
| 20:41.05 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|work: I thoguht you asked about Pixil on BSD? |
| 20:41.22 | file | chouimat|work: ooh that's evil |
| 20:41.32 | chouimat|work | was thinking about but switched on linux ... but now I have nothing on the laptop |
| 20:42.00 | file | chouimat|work: get a 2.5 to 3.5 adapter and stick it in a normal system |
| 20:42.39 | chouimat|work | file I was thinking about doing that |
| 20:43.02 | file | chouimat|work: $3.95 USD I think on Compgeeks |
| 20:44.41 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: even with this busted ass e-mail client? |
| 20:44.53 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i'll just remove it :P |
| 20:45.18 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: tis better than waiting till it all disappears because greg shoved his head further up his ass |
| 20:45.18 | file | Lady Luck brings added income today. Lady friend takes it away tonight. |
| 20:45.33 | CosmicPenguin | file: fortune cookie? |
| 20:45.43 | file | CosmicPenguin: a friend's blog |
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| 20:53.18 | sorphin | jacques: afternoon |
| 20:53.49 | jacques | hi sorphin |
| 20:55.37 | sorphin | jacques: sup? |
| 20:57.02 | jacques | sorphin: not much, just got to work. gentoo is taking a long time to build on my ipaq. can't wait for my STBs :-) |
| 20:57.18 | sorphin | jacques: heh, just got to work huh? |
| 20:57.20 | sorphin | slacker |
| 20:57.29 | jacques | well i work late |
| 20:57.34 | jacques | I'm still a slacker tho |
| 21:08.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: pixil? |
| 21:09.46 | jacques | ok after using a 122char wide terminal for a day I still think that busybox ps should wrap |
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| 21:47.50 | file | hello |
| 21:48.19 | sieve | monmotha with a sexy ipv6 address |
| 21:50.11 | MonMotha | sieve: of course |
| 21:50.41 | MonMotha | some people think vanity hostnames are 1337, I just can't get over the sexiness of a raw 128 bit address :) |
| 21:50.51 | sieve | MonMotha: who is your tunnel broker if you don't mind me asking? |
| 21:50.56 | sieve | MonMotha: me neither |
| 21:52.40 | MonMotha | I have a private tunnel to an ISP |
| 21:53.01 | MonMotha | only have a /64 right now (had a /48 with BT a while back) |
| 21:53.10 | sieve | MonMotha: are you in the UK then? |
| 21:53.13 | MonMotha | I need to get BGP running and such then I can get a /56 or probably a /48 |
| 21:53.14 | MonMotha | nope |
| 21:53.20 | MonMotha | Indiana, USA |
| 21:53.27 | MonMotha | my current tunnel is to a place in Chicago |
| 21:53.32 | sieve | MonMotha: who's your ISP then? |
| 21:53.40 | sieve | MonMotha: cause mine sucks |
| 21:53.56 | MonMotha | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 48.285/53.296/57.250/3.395 ms to my endpoint |
| 21:53.58 | MonMotha | it's a place called vlink |
| 21:54.02 | MonMotha | you'd have to ask the admin for a tunnel |
| 21:54.05 | sieve | MonMotha: oh.. I see.. |
| 21:54.13 | MonMotha | it's not the most stable of things, but the latency's decent for me and the bandwidth is alright |
| 21:54.15 | MonMotha | and it's free :) |
| 21:54.36 | sieve | swwet |
| 21:54.43 | sieve | ermm.. sweet |
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| 22:08.35 | sorphin | MonMotha: umm |
| 22:09.19 | sorphin | to do bgp, you need an AS $, and that'll cost you 500$ from ARIN |
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| 22:17.23 | Morn | how is everyone? |
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| 22:40.57 | chouimat|work | TimTexanRiker: found any info about the dct5000? |
| 22:43.08 | TimTexanRiker | nope, been busy |
| 22:43.47 | andersee | TimTexanRiker: barbQ at the riker's before you move? :-) |
| 22:53.29 | CosmicPenguin | Where did that crazy prpplague go? |
| 22:56.04 | TimTexanRiker | andersee: yep. not this week or next, but the following 2 weeks or so sound likely. |
| 22:56.36 | TimTexanRiker | others: book your tickets now. ;-) |
| 23:06.20 | MonMotha | sorphin: do you really think I go through ARIN? |
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| 23:22.33 | sorphin | MonMotha: for a *real* AS |
| 23:22.35 | sorphin | you have to |
| 23:22.49 | sorphin | i'd need to, to be able to bgp peer w/ my upstreams |
| 23:22.52 | sorphin | -s |
| 23:56.22 | ade|indy | \quit night all |
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