irclog2html for #elinux on 20030402

`00:01.23`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: this sound bout right?`
`00:01.34`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:01.53`	`sorphin`	`map_base = mmap(0, page_size, PROT_READ \| PROT_WRITE, MAP_SHARED, fd, target+j & ~page_mask);`
`00:02.08`	`kergoth`	`s/0x1000/page_size/;`
`00:02.21`	`sorphin`	`or that`
`00:02.29`	`kergoth`	`for portability.`
`00:02.33`	`kergoth`	`looks fine thoguh`
`00:02.44`	`sorphin`	`k`
`00:03.08`	`kergoth`	`make sure you check for mmap returnof (void *)-1`
`00:03.31`	`sorphin`	`i do`
`00:03.35`	`sorphin`	`right below that`
`00:03.42`	`*** join/#elinux julie_ (~julie@ultrasparc.ipv6.magenet.com)`
`00:03.49`	`kergoth`	`k, cool`
`00:03.55`	`sorphin`	`was mainly making sure the for loop + the mmap change looked ok`
`00:03.58`	`sorphin`	`julie_: re`
`00:04.27`	`kergoth`	`yeah, that part looks fine`
`00:04.29`	`kergoth`	`hey julie_`
`00:04.30`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`00:04.38`	`sorphin`	`ok, runs, but something's not right`
`00:04.47`	`kergoth`	`heh, why am i not surprised`
`00:05.21`	`sorphin`	`ditto`
`00:05.33`	`sorphin`	`0x00100ffcBase: 0x40019000, Virtual: 0x40019000, Mask: 0xfff, Target: 0x100000`
`00:05.33`	`sorphin`	`Scanning flash...`
`00:05.33`	`sorphin`	`0x00100ffcBase: 0x40019000, Virtual: 0x40019000, Mask: 0xfff, Target: 0x100000`
`00:05.33`	`sorphin`	`Scanning flash...`
`00:05.34`	`*** join/#elinux chouimat (~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca)`
`00:05.39`	`sorphin`	`never 'advancing' right`
`00:05.57`	`julie_`	`hey`
`00:06.03`	`kergoth`	`does + bind more tightly than &?`
`00:06.09`	`kergoth`	`maybe (target + j) & ~page_mask`
`00:06.15`	`kergoth`	`just to be sure`
`00:07.09`	`sorphin`	`dammit`
`00:07.12`	`sorphin`	`~lart code`
`00:07.59`	`sorphin`	`nope, no change`
`00:09.40`	`sorphin`	`well`
`00:09.45`	`sorphin`	`j's advancing correctly`
`00:09.53`	`sorphin`	`0 0`
`00:09.53`	`sorphin`	`4096 1000`
`00:09.53`	`sorphin`	`8192 2000`
`00:09.53`	`sorphin`	`12288 3000`
`00:09.53`	`sorphin`	`16384 4000`
`00:09.54`	`sorphin`	`20480 5000`
`00:13.40`	`sorphin`	`well`
`00:13.44`	`sorphin`	`the target advances`
`00:14.15`	`sorphin`	`i guess base_map and virt_addr shouldn't?`
`00:15.35`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: welp`
`00:15.39`	`sorphin`	`it's scanning all 16M now`
`00:15.44`	`sorphin`	`never finds a cramfs sig`
`00:15.54`	`sorphin`	`and i check for both backwards and forwards`
`00:16.28`	`sorphin`	`unless it gets split between 4k pages`
`00:17.33`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`00:17.34`	`kergoth`	`thatd sucks`
`00:17.37`	`kergoth`	`suck rather`
`00:17.57`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`00:18.20`	`sorphin`	`changing flashread now that flashscan reads ok`
`00:18.26`	`sorphin`	`and just gonna dump the whole 16M image`
`00:26.21`	`kergoth`	`cool`
`00:26.30`	`kergoth`	`find the zimage and initrd locally`
`00:26.34`	`kergoth`	`then you dont have to fuck with page issues`
`00:27.33`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`00:30.15`	`sorphin`	`ooer`
`00:30.24`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: i know i'm in the right area atleast now`
`00:30.32`	`sorphin`	`at 0x8000`
`00:30.38`	`kergoth`	`nice`
`00:30.42`	`sorphin`	`00008000 42 4F 4F 54 53 48 50 32 42 49 4E 00 5A 78 FF FF BOOTSHP2BIN.Zx..00008010 32 30 30 32 30 31 32 36 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 20020126........00008020 43 46 20 20 20 20 20 20 42 49 4E 00 5D FD FF FF CF BIN.]...00008030 32 30 30 32 30 31 32 36 00 00 02 00 00 00 04 00 20020126........00008040 43 4F 4C 4C 49 45 20 20 42 49 4E 00 4D E4 FF FF COLLIE BIN.M...00008050 32 30 30 32 30 32 32 31`
`00:31.22`	`sorphin`	`there's the same stuff that rombuster throws out`
`00:32.05`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
`00:32.55`	`sorphin`	`nothing`
`00:33.13`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`00:33.40`	`sorphin`	`those are 2 of the bytes in the cramfs sig`
`00:34.22`	`kergoth`	`look at your zimage from your romburst`
`00:34.30`	`kergoth`	`scan for it`
`00:34.34`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`00:34.46`	`sorphin`	`good idea`
`00:35.02`	`sorphin`	`btw`
`00:35.13`	`sorphin`	`seems arm kernels start with a few groups of`
`00:35.15`	`sorphin`	`00 00 A0 E1`
`00:35.27`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`00:35.28`	`sorphin`	`so that's how i id them now anyways`
`00:35.35`	`sorphin`	`00000000 00 00 A0 E1 00 00 A0 E1 00 00 A0 E1 00 00 A0 E1 ................00000010 00 00 A0 E1 00 00 A0 E1 00 00 A0 E1 00 00 A0 E1 ................`
`00:36.08`	`sorphin`	`grr`
`00:36.14`	`sorphin`	`no sign of it in my dump file`
`00:36.49`	`sorphin`	`maybe i should start at 00000000 and work forward in 16M chunks`
`00:37.07`	`kergoth`	`having fun yet?!`
`00:37.12`	`kergoth`	`bleh`
`00:37.33`	`sorphin`	`fuck`
`00:37.40`	`sorphin`	`heh, no`
`00:37.48`	`sorphin`	`now it's back to segv time`
`00:38.25`	`kergoth`	`oh fuck this`
`00:38.26`	`sorphin`	`apparently 00000000 is too far back`
`00:38.30`	`kergoth`	`my boss left, i'm bolting early`
`00:38.33`	`sorphin`	`haha`
`00:38.36`	`sorphin`	kergoth`bbl: that's what i did
`00:45.02`	`*** join/#elinux file (file@mctn1-6768.nb.aliant.net)`
`00:57.11`	`sorphin`	`err..`
`01:08.56`	`sorphin`	kergoth`bbl: woohoo
`01:09.00`	`sorphin`	`found the cramfs`
`01:09.52`	kergoth`bbl	`sorphin: woot!`
`01:10.11`	`*** join/#elinux [mbm] (~mbm@24.247.211.234.bay.mi.chartermi.net)`
`01:10.25`	`sorphin`	kergoth`tv: i started scanning from
`01:10.26`	`sorphin`	`#define FLASH_MEM_BASE 0x00100000`
`01:10.35`	`sorphin`	`in the file i was left with`
`01:10.56`	`sorphin`	`it was at 000C0000`
`01:42.00`	`*** join/#elinux levi_ (~levi@ash.lnxi.com)`
`01:50.55`	`*** join/#elinux andersee (~andersen@codepoet.org)`
`01:50.55`	`*** mode/#eLinux [+o andersee] by ChanServ`
`01:50.59`	`sorphin`	`andersee: evening`
`01:51.15`	`andersee`	`evening`
`02:11.15`	`sorphin`	kergoth`tv: yo
`02:11.27`	`sorphin`	`found the kernel location and the romdisk location`
`02:36.12`	kergoth`tv	`sorphin: spiffy. going to try the upgrade?`
`02:36.46`	kergoth`tv	`bbl again`
`02:36.48`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`02:36.51`	`sorphin`	`at some point`
`02:36.58`	`sorphin`	`need to convert this for writing now`
`03:03.45`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: fyi`
`03:03.57`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:03.58`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:03.58`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:03.58`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:03.58`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:03.58`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:04.00`	`sorphin`	`:)`
`03:04.23`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`03:04.37`	`kergoth`	`email that to kergoth@handhelds.org owould you?`
`03:04.47`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: k`
`03:04.57`	`sorphin`	`dunno where you came up w/ ffc000`
`03:04.57`	`kergoth`	`thanks`
`03:05.00`	`sorphin`	`;)`
`03:05.13`	`kergoth`	`sorphin: swiped define from ucb1200_ts.c iirc`
`03:05.22`	`sorphin`	`hmm`
`03:05.31`	`kergoth`	`or some other ugly ass portion of that embedix patch`
`03:05.34`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`03:05.44`	`sorphin`	`well that'd put it inside the angelstuff section`
`03:05.58`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`03:06.05`	`kergoth`	`the magic #s must reside there then`
`03:06.08`	`kergoth`	`good to know`
`03:06.37`	`sorphin`	`the fun part now`
`03:06.42`	`sorphin`	`is gonna be the writing back`
`03:06.46`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
`03:06.48`	`sorphin`	`since i have to do it page by page`
`03:06.56`	`kergoth`	`i'd write back a sharp zImage as a test`
`03:07.08`	`kergoth`	`since an oz kernel requires an oz rootfs`
`03:07.11`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`03:08.07`	`kergoth`	`then read it back out and confirm sanity before rebooting ;)`
`03:08.44`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
`03:08.46`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`03:26.45`	`jacques`	`ah I think I found CNN's 4-1 joke: http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/biztech/03/24/tech.dogs.language.reut/index.html`
`03:29.19`	`sorphin`	`jacques: CNN is a 4/1 joke ;p`
`03:29.47`	`jacques`	`heh`
`03:30.00`	`jacques`	`maybe the war is just a bad joke`
`03:32.29`	`sorphin`	`one could only hope`
`03:32.40`	`Russ`	`no, I think its real vaporware`
`03:35.36`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: hrm`
`03:36.17`	`kergoth`	`sorphin: any luck?`
`03:36.53`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`03:36.54`	`sorphin`	`bad`
`03:37.02`	`kergoth`	`ah, that`
`03:37.21`	`sorphin`	`tried writing then dumped what i wrote`
`03:37.49`	`sorphin`	`what i wrote, was:00000000 00 00 A0 E1 00 00 A0 E1 00 00 A0 E1 00 00 A0 E1`
`03:37.50`	`sorphin`	`...........`
`03:37.55`	`sorphin`	`what i read back:`
`03:38.06`	`sorphin`	`00000000 B0 B0 B0 B2 B0 B0 B0 B2 B0 B0 B0 B2 B0 B0 B0 B2`
`03:38.07`	`sorphin`	`...........`
`03:38.20`	`kergoth`	`err`
`03:38.23`	`sorphin`	`which means it didn't write correctly`
`03:38.24`	`kergoth`	`wtf?`
`03:38.27`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`03:38.28`	`kergoth`	`hmmmm`
`03:38.33`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`03:38.36`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: can you handle dcc ?`
`03:38.37`	`kergoth`	`ah shit`
`03:38.48`	`kergoth`	`sorphin`
`03:38.50`	`kergoth`	`the Z flash`
`03:38.50`	`sorphin`	`?`
`03:38.53`	`sorphin`	`ya`
`03:38.55`	`kergoth`	`is fucking locked`
`03:39.01`	`kergoth`	`our driver unlocks each block prior to write`
`03:39.10`	`kergoth`	`completely spaced it`
`03:39.20`	`sorphin`	`uhh`
`03:39.23`	`kergoth`	`more complexity for your little app, i'm afraid`
`03:39.27`	`sorphin`	`then how come now when i read where the kernel was`
`03:39.33`	`sorphin`	`there's not a kernel there`
`03:39.44`	`kergoth`	`hm`
`03:39.49`	`kergoth`	`well fuck if i know then`
`03:39.53`	`sorphin`	`hold on`
`03:39.56`	`sorphin`	`lemme do a full dump`
`03:40.04`	`sorphin`	`incase it's the reader`
`03:40.12`	`kergoth`	`i do know its locked though, if you dont unlock each block prior to write, jffs2 is very unhappy with you`
`03:40.16`	`kergoth`	`i know, cause i tried it in 2.4.19`
`03:40.49`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`03:40.54`	`sorphin`	`this isn't jffs tho remember?`
`03:41.35`	`kergoth`	`i know`
`03:41.52`	`kergoth`	`but that doesnt change the fact that the flash is locked`
`03:41.56`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`03:41.57`	`sorphin`	`weird`
`03:41.57`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`03:42.01`	`sorphin`	`the whole damn thing`
`03:42.02`	`kergoth`	`you know`
`03:42.10`	`sorphin`	`reads back as B0 B0 80 B0 B0 B0 80 B0 B0 B0 80 B0 B0 B0 80 B0`
`03:42.11`	`kergoth`	`i wonder if you could just load a non read only mtd driver as a module`
`03:42.19`	`kergoth`	`modprobe the fucker and dd it onto the new mtd devices`
`03:42.20`	`kergoth`	`:D`
`03:42.33`	`sorphin`	`something's odd`
`03:42.45`	`sorphin`	`the whole flash just read as that`
`03:42.49`	`sorphin`	`which isn't possible`
`03:43.00`	`kergoth`	`thats really fscking weird.`
`03:43.33`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: if it's somehow trashed.. is there any way to recover? (other than the jtag you can't give me :P )`
`03:43.58`	`kergoth`	`if the angel is hosed, you dont have much for options`
`03:44.07`	`kergoth`	`if hte cf updater still works, you're ok if you can get a cf card`
`03:44.26`	`*** join/#elinux Speedy2 (johnny@max-fw-137.dallas.net)`
`03:44.30`	`Speedy2`	`~seen timriker`
`03:44.32`		`timriker <~timr@66.147.151.194> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 1d 5m 17s ago, saying: 'agreed'.`
`03:44.35`	`sorphin`	`cuz i can't even tell if everything's actually ok or not`
`03:44.37`	`Speedy2`	`grr`
`03:44.45`	`sorphin`	`Speedy2: try email :P`
`03:44.52`	`Speedy2`	`Yeah, I guess`
`03:44.58`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: since something's hosed up the reading`
`03:45.14`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
`03:45.46`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: cross fingers..`
`03:45.48`	`sorphin`	`gonna reboot`
`03:46.04`	`sorphin`	`ugh`
`03:46.06`	`kergoth`	`k`
`03:46.13`	`sorphin`	`bash: /bin/df: is a directory`
`03:46.15`	`sorphin`	`bash: /bin/ps: No such file or directory`
`03:46.27`	`kergoth`	`err, you didnt write to cramfs did you?`
`03:46.27`	`sorphin`	`i smell corruption in the city :P`
`03:46.31`	`sorphin`	`no`
`03:46.42`	`sorphin`	`cramfs is 1c0000`
`03:46.42`	`kergoth`	`but it booted?`
`03:46.48`	`sorphin`	`i didn't reboot yet`
`03:46.51`	`sorphin`	`this is before reboot`
`03:47.02`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`03:47.17`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`03:47.20`	`sorphin`	`which`
`03:47.23`	`sorphin`	`Segmentation fault`
`03:48.15`	`sorphin`	`fun fun`
`03:48.27`	`sorphin`	`hitting the /on/off button does nothing it can't standby`
`03:49.52`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: if i ever get this working all good`
`03:50.05`	`sorphin`	`you can release it as an alternate loading option :P`
`03:50.45`	`kergoth`	`yes, its been requested`
`03:52.01`	`sorphin`	`so i'm not the only weirdo?`
`03:52.15`	`kergoth`	`nah, its a common request`
`03:52.29`	`kergoth`	`i get 'do i really need cf to install oz?' probably 3 or 4 times a week`
`03:52.32`	`kergoth`	`despite it being in the faq`
`04:09.18`	`sorphin`	kergoth`bbl: hrm
`04:10.27`	`sorphin`	`now no power light, nothing`
`04:11.16`	kergoth`bbl	`buy/borrow a cf card and hope you can flash it`
`04:11.21`	`sorphin`	`umm`
`04:11.25`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`04:11.31`	`sorphin`	kergoth`bbl: if there's not even a power light
`04:11.43`	`sorphin`	`i don't see how that'll help :P`
`04:11.47`	kergoth`bbl	`power led and other led are controlled by software`
`04:11.51`	kergoth`bbl	`as is charging`
`04:12.08`	`sorphin`	`so there's no way to tell if it's dead dead ?`
`04:12.19`	kergoth`bbl	`not that iknow of. could ask in #zaurus`
`04:12.19`	kergoth`bbl	`bbl`
`04:12.24`	`sorphin`	`alright`
`04:15.12`	`*** part/#elinux GPSFan (~kenm@65.114.238.130)`
`05:17.08`	TomW`gone	`anyone know what the minimum RAM size is for a linux install? Is it 8 meg or 16?`
`05:19.15`	`sorphin`	`think 8`
`05:25.50`	TomW`gone	`k`
`05:26.09`	`sorphin`	TomW`gone: seen my fun in the scrollby? :P
`05:26.27`	TomW`gone	`find out soon enough, I have an old NCR3150 notebook..`
`05:26.38`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`05:26.38`	TomW`gone	`something about ope?`
`05:26.57`	`sorphin`	TomW`gone: more like something about my Z being dead atm
`05:27.07`	TomW`gone	`Z?`
`05:27.12`	`chouimat`	`zaurus`
`05:27.12`	`sorphin`	`zaurus`
`05:27.17`	TomW`gone	`ah, shit`
`05:27.23`	`sorphin`	`ya`
`05:27.23`	TomW`gone	`not good`
`05:27.31`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: how did you kill it?`
`05:27.31`	`sorphin`	`my reading code reads the whole flash perfectly`
`05:27.38`	TomW`gone	`how did you kill it?`
`05:27.49`	`sorphin`	`despite the fact that the flash is supposedly locked according to chris`
`05:27.56`	`sorphin`	`my writing trashed the flash`
`05:28.04`	`sorphin`	`which i still don't get how`
`05:28.08`	TomW`gone	`mmm, wasn't jffs eh?`
`05:28.13`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: ouch`
`05:28.31`	`sorphin`	TomW`gone: kernel+cramfs
`05:28.39`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: dd?`
`05:28.40`	`sorphin`	`but i didn't touch anywhere but the kernel's area`
`05:28.47`	`sorphin`	`yet`
`05:28.51`	`sorphin`	`when i read back`
`05:28.56`	`sorphin`	`the whole flash was crap`
`05:28.59`	`sorphin`	`chouimat: no`
`05:29.06`	`sorphin`	`mmap writes`
`05:29.27`	TomW`gone	`sorphin: it could be single plane flash and it had interrupts / something vectoring into flash memory. Then when you wrote to it, the flash would "disappear" while writing, leaving the vector'ed software blasting off into no-where-land?`
`05:29.29`	`sorphin`	`essentially using my flash dumper backwards`
`05:29.29`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: wrong address`
`05:29.48`	`sorphin`	`chouimat: no, i verified the addresses`
`05:29.55`	`sorphin`	`taht's where i read the kernel from`
`05:30.09`	`sorphin`	`something's just weird w/ how they access this flash`
`05:30.13`	TomW`gone	`what cpu is that?`
`05:30.14`	`sorphin`	`now i need a damn CF card`
`05:30.20`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: ok weird`
`05:30.34`	TomW`gone	`what cpu is that?`
`05:30.40`	`sorphin`	TomW`gone: heh SA1100
`05:30.50`	TomW`gone	`no jtag?`
`05:30.55`	`sorphin`	`yeah, it has it`
`05:30.57`	`sorphin`	`however`
`05:31.01`	TomW`gone	`?`
`05:31.02`	`sorphin`	`i won't be able to use it :P`
`05:31.17`	`sorphin`	`i don't have the docs that chris has, and he won't give em up :P`
`05:31.21`	`sorphin`	`because of nda w/ sharp`
`05:31.34`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: I have the doc too :)`
`05:32.03`	TomW`gone	`so, you can read the chip numbers off the flash, the flash is located at 0x0000:0000...`
`05:32.27`	TomW`gone	`all you need is a binary to put back into flash, essentially.`
`05:32.52`	TomW`gone	`... to resurrect your lazaurus, er, zaurus.`
`05:33.00`	`sorphin`	`chouimat: and you prolly won't share them either, even tho they wouldn't leave my posession :P`
`05:33.16`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: NDA`
`05:33.18`	`sorphin`	TomW`gone: atm, i need a cf card and hope that angel didn't get trashed
`05:33.35`	`sorphin`	`chouimat: which means squat to me inside a private circle :P`
`05:33.39`	TomW`gone	`so, goto walmart and get a CF.`
`05:33.48`	`sorphin`	TomW`gone: uh huh.
`05:33.52`	TomW`gone	`?`
`05:34.05`	TomW`gone	`Camera Flash (compact flash) won't work?`
`05:34.24`	TomW`gone	`I use 'em here.`
`05:34.29`	TomW`gone	`for storage.`
`05:34.38`	`sorphin`	`mroe like cost :P`
`05:35.06`	TomW`gone	`cheap enough`
`05:35.13`	`[mbm]`	`iirc 256M is only $100`
`05:35.24`	TomW`gone	`iirc 8M is < $10`
`05:35.30`	`sorphin`	`[mbm]: and what else am i gonna use it in? :P`
`05:35.38`	TomW`gone	`webpal`
`05:35.47`	`sorphin`	TomW`gone: 16M is $20 at walmart.. assuming they have it in stock in stores
`05:35.58`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`05:36.06`	`sorphin`	TomW`gone: considering my webpals are doorstops atm
`05:36.20`	`[mbm]`	`shrug buy a pcmcia adapter and they make a pretty good removable drive`
`05:36.29`	TomW`gone	`WELL, STOP BREAKING SHIT!`
`05:36.33`	`sorphin`	TomW`gone: heh
`05:36.43`	`sorphin`	TomW`gone: go soak your teeth :P
`05:36.45`	TomW`gone	`~fishslap sorphin`
`05:36.46`		`ACTION slaps sorphin up side the head with a wet fish.`
`05:36.55`	`sorphin`	`[mbm]: what i need is pcmcia -> cf adapter :P`
`05:37.02`	`sorphin`	`so then i could use these damn 2G pcmcia HDs`
`05:37.05`	TomW`gone	`I got one.`
`05:37.22`	`sorphin`	`TomW: erm`
`05:37.34`	`TomW`	`it is a type 1 CF though, only 384 meg..`
`05:37.34`	`sorphin`	`TomW: an adapter that allows you to use pcmcia in a cf slot?`
`05:37.53`	`TomW`	`no, other way: pcmcia --> cf`
`05:38.17`	`TomW`	`allows CF in a PCMCIA slot.`
`05:38.20`	`sorphin`	`oh`
`05:38.41`	`TomW`	`not going to happen. :/`
`05:38.50`	`sorphin`	`bought em for the tuxes`
`05:38.54`	`sorphin`	`which btw, aren't broke :P`
`05:38.59`	`sorphin`	`just unused`
`05:39.03`	`[mbm]`	`... yet`
`05:39.27`	`TomW`	`like me. :)`
`05:39.31`	`sorphin`	`TomW: heh`
`05:39.52`	`sorphin`	`TomW: you have the means to recover things that i don't`
`05:39.58`	`TomW`	`Well, my one tux is 64meg DRAM + a 10 gig drive...`
`05:40.29`	`sorphin`	`i just hope the CF will save my Z`
`05:40.40`	`chouimat`	`huh? sharp have a jtag cable for the zaurus?`
`05:40.50`	`TomW`	`I fired it up the other day and the SOB wouldn't recognize and of my PCMCIA network cards. This is the "latest & greatest" buildroot.`
`05:40.51`	`sorphin`	`otherwise i'm screwed until someone drops the whole NDA BS with me :P`
`05:41.02`	`sorphin`	`chouimat: wouldn't be hard to make one prolly`
`05:41.27`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: yup ... just need the pin layout`
`05:41.55`	`TomW`	`sorphin: you hacking the zaurus and don't want to view the NDA data, right?`
`05:42.14`	`sorphin`	`TomW: wrong`
`05:42.31`	`sorphin`	`TomW: more like 2 people hear have the NDA data`
`05:42.33`	`TomW`	`Why then won't you sign the NDA and get the info?`
`05:42.37`	`sorphin`	`but are sticking to their NDA`
`05:42.48`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`05:43.28`	`sorphin`	`if i'm in a trusted circle, i don't follow ndas shrug`
`05:43.30`	`sorphin`	`[mbm]: ;)`
`05:43.35`	`TomW`	`So, most NDA's allow for an "employee" / "sub-contractor" to view / use the data as long as they bind themselves to the original NDA terms.`
`05:44.09`	`TomW`	`I say most, not all.`
`05:44.43`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`05:44.57`	`[mbm]`	`I'm certain if sorphin had NDA accesshe's use his state of the art production facilities to start producing cheap knockoffs ;)`
`05:45.18`	`TomW`	`right`
`05:45.22`	`sorphin`	`[mbm]: yeah.. sure.. right..`
`05:45.36`	`[mbm]`	`my point exactly`
`05:46.28`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`05:46.36`	`TomW`	`sorphin: which is why I don't mess with my Palm-III, too usefull to me as is.`
`05:47.03`	`sorphin`	`TomW: well`
`05:47.10`	`sorphin`	`the reason i was working on this code`
`05:47.23`	`sorphin`	`was a) so people don't have to use a cf card to say install OZ`
`05:47.31`	`sorphin`	`and b) i wanted to install OZ, and don't have a CF`
`05:47.37`	`sorphin`	`but now that's a moot point :P`
`05:47.53`	`TomW`	`I did bring the BDM line out via a wire and have it available in the battery compartment, but then decided against invoking it.`
`05:49.12`	`TomW`	`[mbm]: umm, 256M CF for $55`
`05:49.36`	`sorphin`	`TomW: the prob is not local`
`05:49.48`	`[mbm]`	`hmm guess the prices have dropped since I bought mine several months ago`
`05:49.49`	`TomW`	`320MB for $102`
`05:49.49`	`sorphin`	`TomW: i should see tomorrow if jason (pattieja) has a cf i can borrow`
`05:50.15`	`TomW`	`huh? "jason", why the pattie js login?`
`05:50.31`	`sorphin`	`TomW: cuz his name is jason pattie`
`05:50.42`	`TomW`	`odd, but, ok.`
`05:51.03`	`sorphin`	`TomW: no more odd than chouimat`
`05:51.13`	`sorphin`	`which is his last and 1st name`
`05:51.16`	`sorphin`	`together`
`05:51.20`	`sorphin`	`or tomw :P`
`05:51.26`	`TomW`	`I just ass-umed that pattieja was female`
`05:51.41`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: :)`
`05:51.41`	`sorphin`	`TomW: i did at 1st too`
`05:51.51`	`sorphin`	`TomW: till i talked to him a ways back`
`05:51.51`	`TomW`	`I have a gf that spells here name "Pattie"`
`05:52.06`	`sorphin`	`he's a local linux guy here in st louis too`
`05:52.11`	`TomW`	`k`
`05:52.20`	`sorphin`	`TomW: hey, could be worse`
`05:52.30`	`sorphin`	`jaques/fontenot :P`
`05:52.37`	`[mbm]`	`TomW: nah, pattie has always been a male name, haven't you noticed by now ? :)`
`05:52.39`	`sorphin`	`all he's missing is using dwayne too`
`05:52.42`	`TomW`	`I'm isolated up here in PA, surrounded by Windoze (l)users.`
`05:53.24`	`sorphin`	`TomW: isn't sjhill in PA now?`
`05:53.36`	`TomW`	`well, I did get contact info for a male engineer up in Canada by the name of Laurie`
`05:53.58`	`TomW`	`sorphin: yeah, I think Pittsburg, 300 miles west of me.`
`05:55.00`	`TomW`	`<sigh>, I guess, eventually, I will run across a guy named Sue?`
`05:55.15`	`TomW`	`heh, Su`
`05:55.25`	`TomW`	`more likely`
`05:55.36`	`sorphin`	`TomW: never heard the song talking about a boy named sue?`
`05:55.36`	`sorphin`	`fwho`
`05:55.40`	`TomW`	`or is it spelled Shu`
`05:55.41`	`sorphin`	`-fwho`
`05:55.50`	`TomW`	`yeh, heh`
`05:58.34`	`sorphin`	TomW`ZZzz: don't swallow your dentures ;)
`05:59.00`	TomW`ZZzz	`it is my glass eye that I fear losing`
`05:59.12`	`sorphin`	`;)`
`05:59.57`	TomW`ZZzz	`I am Mrs,Zianab Abiola,a God fearing person in sorrow, one of the widows of late M.K.O`
`05:59.57`	TomW`ZZzz	`Abiola,Nigeria's foremost politician,businessman and philantropist who died as a result`
`05:59.57`	TomW`ZZzz	`of fighting for the presidential election he won but was denied his presidential`
`05:59.57`	TomW`ZZzz	`sit(JUNE 12). I sincerely need your assistance, but I want you to bear in mind that`
`05:59.57`	TomW`ZZzz	`this has to be strictly confidential ,I sincerely need your assistance to take`
`05:59.58`	TomW`ZZzz	`custodian of the sum of Thirty milion, United States Dollars(U.S$30m). This money was`
`06:00.10`	TomW`ZZzz	`I wish this shit would just go away.`
`06:00.14`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`06:00.35`	`sorphin`	`i get atleast 50-100 spam a day`
`06:00.39`	TomW`ZZzz	`how much of an AH do they think the recipient could be?`
`06:00.46`	`sorphin`	`spamassassin catches 98%`
`06:01.02`	TomW`ZZzz	`have to try it.`
`06:01.11`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`06:01.16`	`[mbm]`	`my spam count dropped to almost null when I got rid of the linux.com address`
`06:01.38`	`sorphin`	`[mbm]: gee.. wonder why ;)`
`06:01.48`	`[mbm]`	`and yeah; spamassassin works great`
`06:01.59`	`sorphin`	`[mbm]: just don't /dev/null the spam`
`06:02.02`	`[mbm]`	`sorphin: gee, maybe because I hardly ever give out my current address?`
`06:02.10`	`sorphin`	`cuz sometimes it catches non spam`
`06:02.12`	`[mbm]`	`sorphin: yeah, bit by that one a few times`
`06:03.35`	`chouimat`	`hmmmm "add 3 to 4 inches" and "make love to a women for 12 hours" came from the same source ...`
`06:03.36`	`[mbm]`	`pretty sure everyone knows this but most mtas will acceptuser+value@host.com for user@host.com so you can add +whatever to your email address to help track where they got it from`
`06:03.57`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`06:04.11`	`sorphin`	`my fysh.org account does that kind now`
`06:04.37`	`sorphin`	`actually`
`06:04.41`	`sorphin`	`no it was - ones`
`06:04.50`	`[mbm]`	`ugh, neeed to fix the spacebaronly seems to be missing more frequently`
`06:05.52`	`chouimat`	`hmm star trek voyager on fox`
`06:07.14`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: got the email?`
`06:07.24`	`sorphin`	`chouimat: ya, thanks`
`06:07.34`	`chouimat`	`nnp`
`06:13.58`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: sound cool: http://lapwww.epfl.ch/dev/arm/jelie/`
`06:16.47`	`sorphin`	`chouimat: that's for the xscale tho, dunno if it'll work for the sa1100`
`06:17.20`	`sorphin`	`will have to see`
`06:17.34`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: I know but the part that understand gdb can be handy someday`
`06:17.48`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: http://openwince.sourceforge.net/jtag/`
`06:59.52`	`chouimat\|Zzzz`	`night`
`11:07.02`	`prh`	`ARGH`
`11:07.22`	`prh`	`why sharp why? why does the 5600 and c700 have _less_ ram than the 50/55 ?`
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`15:05.27`	`ade\|indy`	`morning all`
`15:05.48`	`*** join/#elinux prpplague (~JoeBob1@12.148.134.9)`
`15:05.48`	`*** mode/#eLinux [+o prpplague] by ChanServ`
`15:06.27`	`prpplague`	`hey hey hey, its the plague`
`15:08.42`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: lo`
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`15:09.21`	`sorphin`	`klu5ter_nut: lo you other abcsinc lackey`
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`15:09.32`	`CosmicPenguin`	`morning folks`
`15:09.36`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: lo`
`15:09.43`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: morning wcom lackey`
`15:09.56`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: something like that`
`15:10.31`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: and refrain from any comments i think you might make :P`
`15:11.07`	`sieve`	`morning all`
`15:11.22`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: about what?`
`15:11.59`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: what i just said`
`15:12.03`	`sorphin`	`* sorphin is still annoyed from last night`
`15:13.13`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: right, annoyed about what?`
`15:13.23`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: my Z`
`15:16.44`	`sieve`	`sorphin: what's up with your z?`
`15:17.22`	`GPSFan`	`morning`
`15:17.43`	`sorphin`	`sieve: i was writing code to allow me to shove openZ on it w/o a CF card`
`15:17.47`	`sorphin`	`the reading works perfect`
`15:18.15`	`sorphin`	`went to do the writing (same code, just modified for writing).. the flash got trashed, despite the fact that kergoth says it's locked`
`15:18.46`	`sieve`	`sorphin: ahh.. so what are you going to use to put oz on then? SD or net os zomething else?`
`15:19.14`	`sieve`	`so you bricked it?`
`15:19.24`	`sorphin`	`sieve: atm, i need a cf card to even recover the Z it looks like, assuming it can still load from CF`
`15:19.38`	`sorphin`	`if not, then, yeah, it's bricked until i find a way to jtag it`
`15:20.19`	`sorphin`	`not quite sure how i could write to/trash the flash if it was locked :P`
`15:20.39`	`GPSFan`	`prpplague: have you seen http://www.unc20.net/html/ ? runs uCLinux`
`15:21.49`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: ya i think i looked at it`
`15:21.58`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: however, i could not get any pricing info`
`15:22.09`	`GPSFan`	`prpplague: wa wondering if you kew any pricing info?`
`15:22.46`	`sorphin`	`GPSFan: or too quick w/ those typoes ;)`
`15:22.58`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: i saw a post on linuxdevices.com saying it was $250, however i never got email or phone messages returned`
`15:23.07`	`GPSFan`	`to early in the am.`
`15:23.24`	`GPSFan`	`prpplague: thanks I'll look.`
`15:24.50`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: speaking of Z's... :)`
`15:24.59`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: did you load the sync software last night... :P`
`15:25.53`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: negative, i got the pkg dl'd and started looking at it`
`15:26.04`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: ugly huh?`
`15:26.14`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: I'm looking for suggestions on how to improve the install process`
`15:26.29`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: I think Scott is pissed that its not really plug and play - of course, I'm just one guy... :)`
`15:30.22`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: agreed`
`15:30.37`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: he doesn't understand the level of work that goes into the concept he has`
`15:30.59`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: well, thats a disese with no cure - Greg has it too`
`15:31.20`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: as well as my Greg`
`15:32.06`	`prpplague`	`mallum: we frell! i got a response from conics, however it looks like their mail server is down and now i can't place the order :(`
`15:33.00`	`mallum`	`prpplague: doh !`
`15:35.01`	`prpplague`	`brb`
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`15:41.14`	`prpplague`	`mallum: doh, looks like my mail client is borked`
`15:44.35`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: stop using outlook :P`
`15:45.28`	`mallum`	`hehe`
`15:45.35`	`mallum`	kergoth`bbl: you really bbl ?
`15:45.50`	`mallum`	kergoth`bbl: Im not gonna hassle you about bk - honest !
`15:48.36`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: freakin moz mail had bad indexes`
`15:48.50`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: heh`
`16:00.41`	`prpplague`	`sjhill: hey hey mips-man`
`16:00.49`	`prpplague`	`ibot: seen timriker`
`16:00.49`		`timriker <~timr@66.147.151.194> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 1d 12h 21m 34s ago, saying: 'agreed'.`
`16:00.57`	`sjhill`	`howdy`
`16:01.06`	`prpplague`	`sjhill: hows life at timesys?`
`16:01.21`	`sjhill`	`what's that phrase? oh yeah...."elbows and assholes"`
`16:16.18`	`sorphin`	`sjhill: actually that's backwards, but close enough`
`16:19.21`	kergoth`bbl	`mallum: i was zzz actually.. :)`
`16:19.34`	kergoth`bbl	`morning dan, dave, et cetera`
`16:19.53`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: lo`
`16:20.03`	`mallum`	`kergoth: hehe, heya`
`16:20.20`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: i still can't figure out how if that flash it locked i could have possibly trashed it..`
`16:21.03`	`kergoth`	`nor can i`
`16:21.37`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: but it's obviously toast atm.. i pulled the battery and am letting the nicad drain`
`16:21.45`	`sorphin`	`trying to dig up a CF somehow`
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`16:34.40`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`16:34.48`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: more liek PosMan`
`16:35.10`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: lol`
`16:35.22`	`prpplague`	`kicked the dam ups switch`
`16:35.30`	`sorphin`	`oops :P`
`16:39.10`	`ade\|indy`	`lol`
`16:40.53`	`ade\|indy`	`i moved my phone a bit, took out the whole phone/utp socket this week .. mistakes happen :)`
`16:40.59`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`16:42.11`	`ade\|indy`	`are intel usb wireless II network adabpter any good ?`
`16:42.18`	`sorphin`	`no clue`
`17:33.23`	`prpplague`	`any sed gurus awake?`
`17:42.31`	`chouimat`	`hi`
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`18:42.59`	`sorphin`	`GPSFan: allo ken`
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`19:00.02`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Argh - stupid power outage`
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`19:11.47`	`CosmicPenguin`	`man, it is dusty and ugly out there`
`19:12.07`	`sorphin`	`not here`
`19:13.25`	`CosmicPenguin`	`and windy too`
`19:13.38`	`sorphin`	`weatherbot: weather kstl`
`19:13.40`	`weatherbot`	`Current conditions at St. Louis, Lambert-St. Louis International Airport, MO, United States: It is 25 C (78 F), windspeed is 28.97 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.02 1853 UTC).`
`19:13.59`	`chouimat\|lunch`	`weatherbot: weather cyqb`
`19:14.01`	`weatherbot`	`Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is 0 C (33 F), windspeed is 24.14 km/h, and visibility is 32.19 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.02 1800 UTC).`
`19:14.13`	`sorphin`	`chouimat\|lunch: sucks to be up there ;)`
`19:14.28`	`chouimat\|lunch`	`sorphin: yup`
`19:17.35`	`kergoth`	`bleh.`
`19:18.59`	`sorphin`	`~lart kergoth`
`19:19.22`	`sorphin`	`ha! ibot just nuked your OZ :P`
`19:28.16`	`prpplague`	`whats the time zone offset for cst?`
`19:28.45`	`kergoth`	`-6 iirc`
`19:28.46`	`sorphin`	`-6`
`19:28.50`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`19:28.51`	`prpplague`	`thanks`
`19:29.15`	`sorphin`	`tho, in TX, there is no timezone, i heard texans don't believe in telling time, they just do what they want`
`19:31.03`	`sorphin`	`whenever`
`19:33.38`	`chouimat\|lunch`	`hi prpplague`
`19:34.24`	`sieve`	`sorphin: right..........`
`19:34.42`	`sorphin`	`sieve: ;)`
`19:35.31`	`prpplague`	`chouimat\|lunch: howdy howdy`
`19:36.56`	`chouimat\|lunch`	`prpplague: as usual anothher boring day`
`19:37.09`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Anyone have a favorite .doc -> .pdf converter for Linux?`
`19:37.37`	`chouimat\|lunch`	`.doc->latex->pdf`
`19:38.08`	`CosmicPenguin`	`grrrr.....`
`19:38.10`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Ok`
`19:38.13`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Boo`
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`20:00.23`	`file`	`hello all`
`20:01.05`	`chouimat\|lunch`	`file: hi btw I still doesn't receive the simm`
`20:01.56`	`*** join/#elinux ComMan (~JoeBob1@12.148.134.9)`
`20:02.28`	`file`	`chouimat\|lunch: haven't sent it yet lol`
`20:02.36`	`sorphin`	`ComMan: you guys must just pick the wrong servers.. i never timeout`
`20:02.42`	`chouimat\|lunch`	`file: ok`
`20:02.47`	`file`	`chouimat\|lunch: waiting on payment for this CPU... the guy is a little sketchy with stuff, really irritating`
`20:02.53`	`file`	`but I found $40 in the snow today`
`20:02.59`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`20:03.20`	`ComMan`	`sorphin: hell no, i tried to play an mpg and it crashed my box`
`20:03.21`	`chouimat\|lunch`	`file: ok I though it was lost`
`20:03.33`	`file`	`chouimat\|lunch: hehe no, surprisingly Canada Post doesn't lose stuff that often`
`20:03.35`	`sorphin`	`ComMan: didn't we tell you about pr0n at work?`
`20:03.39`	`kergoth`	`bleh.`
`20:03.54`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: what now digi`
`20:05.20`	`file`	`prpplague: wb...`
`20:05.30`	`file`	`any DCT-5000 progress yet?`
`20:06.01`	`sorphin`	`file: nope`
`20:06.17`	`file`	`bah`
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`20:27.10`	`prpplague`	`http://www.msnbc.com/news/1848365.jpg`
`20:27.34`	`sorphin`	`umm`
`20:28.25`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: wtf`
`20:29.19`	`sieve`	`sorphin: death from above`
`20:29.35`	`sorphin`	`sieve: uhh`
`20:29.47`	`sorphin`	`what is it tho?`
`20:30.06`	`sjhill`	`i'm guessing a time lapse photography of an air-based gunship`
`20:30.10`	`sieve`	`iraquies running like hell I'm sure... missle strike`
`20:30.16`	`sjhill`	`probably 50mm shells at least`
`20:30.39`	`sieve`	`big badda boom`
`20:30.40`	`sorphin`	`where's the parent of that pic (the iraq update)`
`20:30.47`	`sorphin`	`sieve: shaddup, you're not milla`
`20:31.22`	`prpplague`	`sjhill: 50mm i was thinking a little larger, 110mm`
`20:31.30`	`sjhill`	`nod`
`20:31.36`	`sjhill`	`yeah you're right`
`20:38.21`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`20:38.27`	`sorphin`	`walmart sells night vision scopes`
`20:38.31`	`sorphin`	`scary`
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`20:47.09`	`sorphin`	`andersee: lo`
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`20:47.25`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sigh`
`20:47.26`	`andersee`	`sorphin: morning`
`20:47.28`	`andersee`	`sorphin: or something`
`20:47.36`	`CosmicPenguin`	`The wind must be blowing power lines together`
`20:47.50`	`sorphin`	`andersee: morning/evening/afternoon depending on the current andersee schedule ;)`
`20:47.58`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: whys that scary?`
`20:48.35`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: heh.. different then..`
`20:49.56`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`20:50.00`	`sorphin`	`" Glazed Expectations - How Krispy Kremes Work"`
`20:50.48`	`CosmicPenguin`	`I'll tell you how they work`
`20:50.56`	`CosmicPenguin`	`they clog my arteries with sweet, sweet goo`
`20:51.10`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: heh`
`20:51.24`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: and my position is - I'm ok with that`
`20:51.40`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: nobody lays on their death bed and says "I wish I had eaten less Krispy Kremes"`
`20:52.05`	`sorphin`	`yup`
`20:58.52`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: why?`
`21:01.27`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: this regarding the doc to pdf?`
`21:03.54`	`sorphin`	`prolly`
`21:10.17`	`chouimat`	`CosmicPenguin: or try openoffice 1.1`
`21:40.06`	`CosmicPenguin`	`chouimat: is it stable? I've been very happy with 1.0, and my fiance doesn't like changes`
`21:40.21`	`CosmicPenguin`	`chouimat: I just got her to prefer OO, I don't want to queer the deal`
`21:40.47`	`chouimat`	`CosmicPenguin: they export pdf`
`21:42.01`	`CosmicPenguin`	`chouimat: i know that, but is it stable?`
`21:42.52`	`chouimat`	`don't know yet`
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`22:21.12`	`chouimat\|afk`	`hi TomW`
`22:29.46`	`TomW`	`chouimat: hello`
`22:30.19`	`TomW`	`struggling with details of choosing SDRAM for an ARM controller design. :(`
`22:33.18`	`chouimat`	`ok`
`22:36.32`	`chouimat`	`TomW: still have the second dct?`
`22:37.03`	`TomW`	`Ideally, I would like to use off-the-shelf DIMM memory cards, but the cost of the card + socket is almost as much as the SDRAM chips themselves.`
`22:37.10`	`TomW`	`chouimat: yes`
`22:37.15`	`chouimat`	`TomW: ok`
`22:38.25`	`TomW`	`it looks as if the best way to do this is design the controller to hold 16Meg of SDRAM and ensure signals are present to boost it up to 128Meg just by substituding the chips.`
`22:39.39`	`TomW`	`I could use SO DIMM, but then that would involve implementing an GAL / CPLD to bank the RAM. The controller is 32 bits the SO DIMM is a 64 bit device.`
`22:40.31`	`TomW`	`co$t, cost is always the issue when doing a controller design: maximize profits.`
`22:41.59`	`TomW`	`64 megabit SDRAMs are cheap now, approx $5. but in a year the 256 megabit devices may be in that price range...`
`22:44.42`	`chouimat`	`TomW: I'm doing my budget for the next 2 months ... how much for the dct?`
`22:45.45`	`jacques`	`i think about $500 should be enough to bribe Tim to give us the kernel source`
`22:45.54`	`TomW`	`USD $75 for the unit and I'll have to see if shipping will exceed the $25 I paid.`
`22:45.56`	`TomW`	`heh`
`22:46.00`	`file`	`chouimat: that's... interesting, did you find an apartment?`
`22:46.09`	`chouimat`	`file: yup`
`22:46.18`	`file`	`chouimat: great`
`22:46.21`	`file`	`chouimat: ADSL?`
`22:46.28`	`file`	`chouimat: er is ADSL available`
`22:46.32`	`chouimat`	`file: don't know yet`
`22:46.37`	`file`	`chouimat: :(`
`22:47.02`	`chouimat`	`ibot change 75 usd to cad`
`22:47.44`	`TomW`	`chouimat: I paid $70 to get it here. so, it will be $70 + whatever the shipping cost will be to get it to you.`
`22:47.58`	`chouimat`	`TomW: ok`
`22:48.43`	`chouimat`	`TomW: just say me how much and I will take a decision`
`22:48.47`	`jacques`	`TomW: you;re selling your dct5k ? :-(`
`22:48.49`	`TomW`	`send me via email your postal address and I'll get around to querying UPS / USPO on the cost.`
`22:48.54`	`TomW`	`ibot: tomw`
`22:48.54`		`rumour has it, tomw is at tom@openhardware.net`
`22:49.18`	`TomW`	`jacques: no, I got two: one for me and one for chouimat.`
`22:49.29`	`TomW`	`jacques: he didn't have paypal.`
`22:49.49`	`jacques`	`TomW: phew! you had me worried for a minute :-)`
`22:49.57`	`TomW`	`:)`
`22:50.14`	`chouimat`	`TomW: send`
`22:50.33`	`TomW`	`no, I'll keep the one I got. It is something to possibly tinker with.`
`22:51.16`	`TomW`	`possibly, this year is shaping up to be one of possibly some nice embedded design work, so I may not have the time to tinker, just make money.`
`22:51.32`	`jacques`	`that's good and bad I suppose`
`22:51.42`	`jacques`	`more money == more toys`
`22:51.46`	`jacques`	`but less time`
`22:51.48`	`file`	`prpplague: did those Webpals come in yet?`
`22:52.00`	`TomW`	`in one way, but, it will be all embedded linux designs.`
`22:52.15`	`chouimat`	`TomW: I just hope that my budget will be ok I'm still waiting for my taxes reports`
`22:52.24`	`TomW`	`me too`
`22:52.51`	`file`	`chouimat: good luck`
`22:53.36`	`chouimat`	`file: will get them at the end of the months`
`22:55.43`	`TomW`	`chouimat: I just filed for an extension.`
`22:55.52`	`kergoth`	`hm`
`22:56.00`	`kergoth`	`i need to find a local tax place and file as well`
`22:56.02`	`kergoth`	`havent yet`
`22:56.03`	`TomW`	`I usually pay in October.`
`22:56.26`	`file`	`I have no clue what to buy with this $40 so I suppose I'll put it away for a rainy day`
`22:57.03`	`chouimat`	`TomW: I still don't know how muuch I will pay so ...`
`22:59.49`	`TomW`	`kergoth: I file for extensions, get acessed a late penalty of about $200, and then pay interest on any money not paid in during that period.`
`23:00.40`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`23:00.57`	`TomW`	`kergoth: since I don't do quarterly payments, I have to scramble to pull together several thousand(!) dollars to send in.`
`23:01.20`	`chouimat`	`TomW: same here`
`23:01.27`	`sjhill`	`TomW: several!?! gee, you got off cheaper than i did this year`
`23:01.59`	`TomW`	`If you don't owe, you can file for an extension for july, then extend to october, then file Oct 15th and pay a small late filing penalty with no other accessment.`
`23:02.21`	`TomW`	`sjhill: I didn't say how many severals that was. :/`
`23:02.45`	`TomW`	`heh`
`23:02.46`	`sjhill`	`:)`
`23:03.55`	`TomW`	`One way to leave the Democratic party is to be self employed! Get a check for $8000 and realize that at least 1/4 of that is going to go to the Fed Gov't as taxes. THAT will make you holler for cheaper gov't every time.`
`23:04.21`	`TomW`	`s/leave/veer away from/`
`23:04.26`	`chouimat`	`TomW: only 1/4????? man I pay 53% here`
`23:04.48`	`sjhill`	`chouimat: you're also in a socialistic government silly`
`23:04.49`	`TomW`	`chouimat: yeah, but you have gov't services / entitlements that we don't.`
`23:05.14`	`chouimat`	`TomW: but the quality suck`
`23:05.27`	`TomW`	`chouimat: My health insurance costs, what, over $4000 / yr out of my own pocket.`
`23:05.36`	`sjhill`	`gasp`
`23:05.56`	`TomW`	`sjhill: you get it cheaper?`
`23:06.16`	`sjhill`	`TomW: my benefits at TimeSys cost me $0`
`23:06.26`	`chouimat`	`TomW: I just hope that my taxes will enable me to get the dct soon`
`23:06.26`	`TomW`	`sjhill: oh, that's right, you're one of those employed weenies.`
`23:06.32`	`sjhill`	`lol`
`23:07.05`	`sjhill`	`TomW: you just keep in mind i'm paying your social security which i won't have when i retire :)`
`23:07.09`	`TomW`	`sjhill: no, the health ins I now have is 100% paid for by my part-time employer, thank God!`
`23:07.18`	`TomW`	`LOL`
`23:07.30`	`TomW`	`sjhill: keep working sonny`
`23:07.36`	`sjhill`	`:-P`
`23:07.51`	`TomW`	`sjhill: ... and have lots of children so they can pay for yours.`
`23:08.09`	`sjhill`	`ah, now we're talkin'`
`23:08.33`	`chouimat`	`TomW: I just hope they won't do like last year and ask me for 6000$ more in october`
`23:08.42`	`TomW`	`SSI is really a rip-off, considering what we pay vs. what we could possibly collect in total. The collection is far less than what we paid into it over a lifetime.`
`23:09.52`	`TomW`	`I could expect to be on SS for maybe 15 years tops before they kick dirt over me?`
`23:10.18`	`TomW`	`My full retirement age is age 70. Age 68 is considered "early retirement".`
`23:10.53`	`TomW`	`or is it 72 for full benefits? I don't recall. (alzhiemers setting in)`
`23:13.44`	`jacques`	`i thought 67 was full`
`23:13.48`	`jacques`	`62 was early`
`23:14.02`	`jacques`	`i just got my statement a few days ago`
`23:14.14`	`jacques`	`but my memory is not so good either`
`23:14.47`	`TomW`	`jacques: I am the tail-end baby boomer. The SSI benefits vary between people born during differing birth years.`
`23:15.14`	`jacques`	`TomW: aah that makes sense`
`23:15.32`	`TomW`	`My mother is 20 years older than I, she qualified for full benefits at age 68.`
`23:16.23`	`TomW`	`My grandmother is 40 years older, she got full benefits at age 65?`
`23:16.44`	`TomW`	`or maybe it was age 63`
`23:17.57`	`TomW`	`my grandparents retired at age 60 with early SS + a company pension. hunh! Try to find someplace that still has a company pension plan today.`
`23:18.18`	`jacques`	`my old job did`
`23:18.27`	`jacques`	`but I left 1 year before it would have vested`
`23:18.28`	`TomW`	`why'd you leave ?`
`23:18.40`	`sjhill`	`mine too, i left 1-1/2 years before vesting`
`23:18.54`	`jacques`	`because I was bored outa my skull and had to get outa houston`
`23:19.09`	`TomW`	`jacques: I had a 401c plan at one place I worked, but that was not a "company retirement" plan.`
`23:19.26`	`TomW`	`per se`
`23:19.33`	`jacques`	`no this was a real pension plan - at the houston chronicle`
`23:19.43`	`TomW`	`k`
`23:20.29`	`TomW`	`as long as the chronicle was still in business, 40 years later, you'd get a pension... Sounds like a trip to las vegas to me, doesn't it?`
`23:20.49`	`jacques`	`well they have been there for a long time`
`23:20.59`	`jacques`	`and they are the only daily left in houston`
`23:21.09`	`TomW`	`Bethlehem Steel is now in receivership and the courts allowed them to discontinue the retirement health benefit.`
`23:21.16`	`jacques`	`moot now anyway`
`23:22.24`	`TomW`	`I feel contentious today, circuit design does that to me, I need to escape from this house and go someplace tonight.`
`23:22.46`	`TomW`	`go someplace where there are "normal" people around...`
`23:23.05`	`jacques`	`heh`
`23:23.07`	`TomW`	`you know them, the 'droids?`
`23:23.16`	`jacques`	`lol`
`23:23.37`	`TomW`	`but, I'd never admit to being arrogant...`
`23:24.11`	`jacques`	`well I dont think you are`
`23:24.20`	`TomW`	`weatherbot: weather kabe`
`23:24.22`	`weatherbot`	`Current conditions at Allentown, Lehigh Valley International Airport, PA, United States: It is 22 C (72 F), windspeed is 14.48 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.02 2251 UTC).`
`23:24.28`	`TomW`	`oooooooo!`
`23:24.44`	`kergoth`	`72F? what are you doing indoors? :P`
`23:24.49`	`TomW`	`road trip, I can feel a road trip coming up!`
`23:25.14`	`TomW`	`kergoth: tomorrow and Friday are supposed to be even warmer!`
`23:25.18`	`jacques`	`weatherbot: ksjc`
`23:25.20`	`kergoth`	`nice`
`23:25.39`	`jacques`	`hmm seems redundant to have to give the weather command to weatherbot`
`23:25.47`	`TomW`	`heh`
`23:25.51`	`TomW`	`dumb bot`
`23:25.51`	`jacques`	`weatherbot:weather ksjc`
`23:25.53`	`weatherbot`	`Current conditions at San Jose, San Jose International Airport, CA, United States: It is 12 C (55 F), windspeed is 20.92 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.02 2253 UTC).`
`23:26.04`	`TomW`	`whow, only 55 eh?`
`23:26.11`	`jacques`	`hmm is seems warmer`
`23:26.21`	`chouimat`	`weatherbot: weather cyqb`
`23:26.23`	`weatherbot`	`Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is 0 C (33 F), windspeed is 22.53 km/h, and visibility is 32.19 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.02 2300 UTC).`
`23:26.23`	`jacques`	`but I just got same info from another source`
`23:26.27`	`TomW`	`sunshine will do that to you.`
`23:27.00`	`TomW`	`k, time to leave...`
`23:27.07`	`chouimat`	bye TomW`gone
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