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| 05:05.48 | sorphin | ibot: wb |
| 05:05.49 | | thx |
| 05:06.33 | sorphin | TimRiker: did something change w/ the format of change? |
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| 05:09.03 | TimRiker | change? |
| 05:09.08 | sorphin | currency |
| 05:09.21 | TimRiker | ~change 3 usd to mex |
| 05:09.31 | TimRiker | ~change 3.0 usd to mex |
| 05:09.38 | TimRiker | hmm. |
| 05:12.57 | TimRiker | they may have changed the web interface... |
| 05:14.12 | sorphin | xe.com ? |
| 05:14.16 | sorphin | looks the same to me |
| 05:37.14 | TimRiker | xe.com is blocking ibot access. |
| 05:40.12 | TimRiker | I send "User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 libwww-perl/5.65" which used to work, but they block it now. |
| 05:40.37 | sorphin | hmm |
| 05:41.09 | sorphin | send a lynx one? |
| 05:41.33 | TimRiker | get's back a nice terms of use page. I've been through talking to thier legal department. they say automated access is forbidden. I said, ok. ibot never automatically talks to your site. |
| 05:42.03 | TimRiker | I explained that ibot is just a irc based web browser. ;-) |
| 05:42.34 | sorphin | yeah |
| 05:42.40 | TimRiker | they never replied to multiple requests to approve/deny access from an "irc based web browser"/ |
| 05:42.56 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:45.31 | TimRiker | hmm. lynx does not seem to send a user agent by default and that works. |
| 05:45.45 | sorphin | hmm |
| 05:46.33 | TimRiker | if you can figure how to turn off the user agent output from libwww-perl I'd be happy to change the code until I hear from them that an "irc based browser" is outside of thier terms of service. |
| 05:47.02 | chouimat|Zzzzz | wow |
| 05:53.27 | sorphin | heh |
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| 06:04.43 | TimRiker | wow? |
| 06:31.11 | sorphin | no idea |
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| 08:10.14 | sorphin | kergoth: heh |
| 08:10.20 | sorphin | my xbox is now running qpe :P |
| 08:10.25 | sorphin | down right scary |
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| 12:08.23 | sjhill | anyone have i8259a PIC documents? |
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| 13:31.34 | mallum | kergoth: ping |
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| 14:11.29 | sieve | morning all |
| 14:12.05 | pattieja | morning |
| 14:20.28 | sorphin | ~bitchslap sjhill |
| 14:20.32 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of sjhill |
| 14:20.52 | sorphin | sjhill: that's not mips, you're not allowed to ask for anything but mips :P |
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| 14:21.01 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 14:27.26 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: you here? |
| 14:29.05 | sjhill | heh |
| 14:29.23 | CosmicPenguin | Am I missing the joke? |
| 14:30.22 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: i was looking for i8259a PIC documents |
| 14:31.00 | CosmicPenguin | sounds like fun |
| 14:31.33 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: i would have thought you would have 'em? |
| 14:36.50 | mallum | hey, does mr riker 'own' ibot ? |
| 14:37.01 | sorphin | yes |
| 14:38.24 | mallum | sorphin: okey, I guess I should ask him if he'll get it to join the shiney new empty #matchbox chan |
| 14:38.32 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: I dunno |
| 14:38.34 | sorphin | hehe |
| 14:38.46 | sorphin | mallum: prolly can |
| 14:38.55 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: guess what |
| 14:39.03 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i now work for a "new company" :P |
| 14:39.17 | sjhill | yay, i found a pdf |
| 14:39.32 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: oh yeah? |
| 14:39.37 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: rename |
| 14:39.42 | sorphin | WCom is now MCI :P |
| 14:39.47 | sorphin | -C+c |
| 14:39.49 | CosmicPenguin | Wasn't it always MCI? |
| 14:39.53 | sorphin | no |
| 14:40.02 | sorphin | not after today |
| 14:40.10 | CosmicPenguin | Ahhh - I see |
| 14:40.23 | sorphin | same shithole, new name |
| 14:40.25 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: part of the bankrupcy proceedings, then? |
| 14:40.34 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: today is "day 100" |
| 14:40.40 | sjhill | ftp://ftp.penguinppc.org/users/hollis/8259A_PIC_Datasheet.pdf |
| 14:40.55 | sorphin | they announce the "3 year business plan" |
| 14:40.57 | sorphin | or some shit |
| 14:41.13 | sorphin | free food at 10am, that's all i care |
| 14:42.50 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ya know, now i almost feel as bad as kergoth :P |
| 14:43.07 | sorphin | or dave *grin* |
| 14:43.22 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: as bad as Dave? Thats pretety bad |
| 14:44.07 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yeah i did say almost tho ;) so i'm still partly sane |
| 14:44.12 | CosmicPenguin | stupid ViewML - be more standards compliant |
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| 15:19.56 | CosmicPenguin | weatherbot: weather kslc |
| 15:19.57 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Salt Lake City, Salt Lake City International Airport, UT, United States: It is 15 C (60 F), windspeed is 33.80 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.14 1456 UTC). |
| 15:20.13 | CosmicPenguin | Just heard on the news that we can expect up to 8 inches of snow tonight |
| 15:20.56 | levi | Gah. |
| 15:21.05 | levi | I don't want any more snow! |
| 15:21.25 | levi | Dammit, it's the middle of April! It's not supposed to be snowing anymore. |
| 15:21.55 | CosmicPenguin | levi: its beautiful right now |
| 15:22.23 | CosmicPenguin | levi: Normally, I wouldn't imagine that it would go from 60 degrees to 30 degrees, but after the last couple of weeks, I'll believe anythinmg |
| 15:24.46 | levi | Yeah, no kidding. |
| 15:25.06 | levi | I loved the weekend weather. I'm ready for it to stay that way. |
| 15:25.15 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:27.49 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: whats the best way to build a package for the madplay binary that gets built as part of the libmad package? |
| 15:28.05 | CosmicPenguin | I assume they don't belong in the same ipk, am I right? |
| 15:29.00 | kergoth | right. I'd recommend looking at the evas makefile |
| 15:29.06 | kergoth | which is a good example of producing multiple ipks from a single package |
| 15:30.31 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: sweet |
| 15:33.15 | mallum | kergoth: oh, did you get a chance to update the XFree86 package and it not copying read-only dirs from its BK'd skeleton ;-) ? |
| 15:33.33 | kergoth | hm, i dont remember if i committed it |
| 15:33.36 | kergoth | let me check |
| 15:33.38 | kergoth | too many damn trees |
| 15:33.56 | kergoth | hey chouimat|coffee |
| 15:34.00 | kergoth | mm coffee.. good idea |
| 15:37.14 | chouimat|coffee | morning |
| 15:42.47 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: got it - thanks for your help |
| 15:43.50 | kergoth | np |
| 15:50.22 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - that was the worst thing I have ever heard |
| 15:50.42 | CosmicPenguin | And I've been to a Phish concert... :) |
| 15:50.48 | CosmicPenguin | (That was just to wake up signal11) |
| 15:50.49 | chouimat|coffee | huh? |
| 15:51.30 | chouimat|coffee | CosmicPenguin: try a Celine Dion concert |
| 15:51.43 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|coffee: scary |
| 15:54.07 | CosmicPenguin | apparently signal11 is otherwise occupied... :) |
| 15:54.13 | chouimat|coffee | CosmicPenguin: yup and it's one reason why las vegas isn't on my dream vacation list :) |
| 15:54.35 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|coffee: bah - there's lots more going on in Vegas than Celine Dion |
| 15:54.47 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|coffee: Mystre is well worth the trip alone |
| 15:54.54 | chouimat|coffee | CosmicPenguin: yup but too much show made in Quebec |
| 15:56.06 | chouimat|coffee | hmmmmm for which asshole in going to vote |
| 16:00.45 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|coffee: [ ] wimp [ ] shrimp |
| 16:00.46 | CosmicPenguin | pick one |
| 16:03.04 | chouimat|coffee | CosmicPenguin: I have 12 choices in the county |
| 16:05.02 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|coffee: I can't think of anything else degrading that rhymes with shrimp |
| 16:05.23 | chouimat|coffee | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 16:21.05 | chouimat | hey sorphin |
| 16:21.14 | sorphin | lo |
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| 16:32.52 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: have a third cup and throw in a few no-doz too |
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| 16:40.11 | TomW | hmm, xfree86 has forked? |
| 16:40.12 | sorphin | twom: yo |
| 16:40.17 | sorphin | yes, it has |
| 16:40.31 | sorphin | TomW: glad you showed up, need more advisement :) |
| 16:40.44 | sorphin | TomW: 2 diff microscopes :P |
| 16:40.56 | TomW | might be a good thing, I have always found xfree86 to be a monster to attempt to try to figure out how it works. |
| 16:41.08 | sorphin | one's stereo, 20x-40x, the other's mono, 40x-400x or something |
| 16:41.11 | sorphin | which would you pick? |
| 16:43.05 | sorphin | TomW: this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26411&item=2521216394 |
| 16:43.10 | TomW | I am more inclined to take the binocular version, only because I have a 10x/20x and it works for me. the 20x should be enough, IMO, 40x would be too high, too much magnification to do anything more than see a couple of pins. |
| 16:43.20 | sorphin | TomW: or this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26411&item=2522629677 |
| 16:45.04 | TomW | sorphin: the focal length would be important as well. At 20x, I have about 3 inches between the board and the face of the microscope, this is plenty of room for me to get under the microscope and work with an iron and solder. |
| 16:45.32 | sorphin | nod |
| 16:49.16 | sorphin | TomW: i was gonna buy the 20x-40x that ended last night |
| 16:49.26 | sorphin | but i wanted to wait to catch you and get your opinion 1st ;) |
| 16:50.15 | TomW | definately the 20x model, it has a 40x range so that you can get the higher power (useless IMHO). The 20x model looks like you will have room to work under it: focal lenght. |
| 16:50.45 | sorphin | TomW: here's the sucky part.. what do you do if the board is big enough that the scope only covers the edges? |
| 16:52.20 | TomW | the problem that I see with the 20x is that you will be limited as to the area / size of the board you are looking at. Mine has a large, flat, metal base about 7"x12". |
| 16:52.26 | sorphin | TomW: i can see how the binocular will be a lil bit of an advantage too, cuz you won't have to close 1 eye to view, so you can see better |
| 16:52.59 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:53.04 | sorphin | you always have to find a flaw :P |
| 16:53.13 | TomW | my microscope is actually a fixed focus unit, 10x/20x, that is raised or lowered above the base. |
| 16:54.20 | TomW | I can actually take the optics out of the base "press" and hold it with my hands to view something. |
| 16:54.53 | sorphin | nod |
| 16:55.04 | sorphin | and you paid how much? :P and how long ago? :P |
| 16:57.52 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: do you have an ipaq? |
| 16:58.26 | TomW | sorphin: I'm preparing a photo of my unit. |
| 16:58.54 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: I have an ipaq 3135. |
| 16:59.11 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: no, but i was looking at them thursday |
| 16:59.30 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: thinking about snagging one as an additional toy |
| 16:59.36 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: why? |
| 16:59.52 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I've got some ipks for you to look at... :) |
| 17:00.20 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: that begins w/ P and ends in l and has ixi in the middle? ;) |
| 17:01.16 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah - I am trying to convince greg to let me show the binaries to close personal friends and "potential clients" |
| 17:01.30 | sorphin | :-) |
| 17:01.53 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and i can assume the Z version follows as soon as DAVE sends you a Z? *grin* |
| 17:06.48 | TomW | sorphin: http://www.openhardware.net/pics/microscope.gif |
| 17:07.26 | sorphin | TomW: i can hear unisys knocking on your door ;) |
| 17:07.47 | sorphin | ah, i see |
| 17:07.56 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: of course |
| 17:08.01 | sorphin | well ,it looks like yours was made for this kinda stuff |
| 17:08.13 | TomW | sorphin: at that height it is in focus at either 10x / 20x. |
| 17:08.15 | sorphin | TomW: whereas all the ones i'm finding are otherwise |
| 17:08.36 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: the fun part is deciding which ipaq |
| 17:08.50 | TomW | yeah, this one was used in an Inprocess Inspection department. |
| 17:09.26 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: our stuff only works on the 3600 |
| 17:09.42 | sorphin | nod |
| 17:10.36 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so where do i grab em? ;) |
| 17:10.36 | TomW | sorphin: the new microscopes that I had been looking at were easily in the $1600..$3000 range. |
| 17:10.47 | sorphin | TomW: once again, too rich for my blood ;) |
| 17:11.02 | sorphin | TomW: that's more than any of my paychecks :P |
| 17:11.12 | TomW | sorphin: mine too, fortunately I had a friend who loaned it to me. |
| 17:11.31 | sorphin | so the one you have there is an 'extended loan' ? |
| 17:11.32 | TomW | sorphin: I have had it on loan for two years now. |
| 17:11.35 | sorphin | ah |
| 17:11.43 | sorphin | must be nice :P |
| 17:12.25 | TomW | sorphin: not a problem for him, he has another one and is happy to have me use this one rather than keep it laying around useless. It is his "spare" I guess. |
| 17:12.34 | sorphin | TomW: heh, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2522308254&category=26411 |
| 17:14.29 | sorphin | TomW: so how's your ebay purchase? ;) |
| 17:18.08 | sorphin | TomW: what'd you think of that last one ? |
| 17:24.58 | CosmicPenguin | 2.2M viewml |
| 17:25.01 | CosmicPenguin | How I loth that binary |
| 17:43.53 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: you going to be around - I'm headed to century right now |
| 17:46.47 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: *points at his Q* :) |
| 17:46.57 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: eh? |
| 17:47.10 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: <sorphin> CosmicPenguin: so where do i grab em? ;) |
| 17:47.31 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I'll try to get them up later on - they won't work on anything but an ipaq though |
| 17:47.37 | sorphin | i know |
| 17:47.49 | sorphin | gonna look at ipaqs again today |
| 17:48.51 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: maybe tommorrow -we'll see |
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| 17:55.57 | sorphin | andersee: afternoon mr busybox |
| 18:01.28 | chouimat | re |
| 18:04.54 | andersee | sorphin: morning |
| 18:14.32 | chouimat | hi sorphin |
| 18:16.39 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: hey, definately go for the stereo zoom with the boom stand, it will allow you to work on larger boards and stuff that doesn't readily fit under a classical microscope stage. |
| 18:18.46 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: the power is less important than working distance. My B&L has a .7-3x base unit with a 10x eyepiece. that gives 7-30x, but I also have a .5x diopter on the "nose" that increases the working distance while reducing the power to 3.5-15x, which is more than enough for smd work. |
| 18:24.25 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: also important is lighting, get a ring light if you can. |
| 18:25.29 | sorphin | nod |
| 18:25.59 | sorphin | GPSFan_: you mean that stereo one i pasted here? that one's a long shot cuz it's a reserve auction |
| 18:29.20 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: that's the one I'd prefer, I see the reserve now that I look at it again, still might work out.. |
| 18:32.03 | sorphin | GPSFan_: maybe |
| 18:32.13 | sorphin | GPSFan_: still looking at oscopes too |
| 18:33.35 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: this is almost exactly what I've got: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2523541245&category=26411 |
| 18:34.20 | kergoth | bleh |
| 18:34.23 | sorphin | GPSFan_: cool |
| 18:34.36 | sorphin | kergoth: send CP a Z so he can get pixil for the Z going ;) |
| 18:34.40 | sorphin | you got plenty of em |
| 18:35.17 | kergoth | ibot: monday |
| 18:35.18 | | monday is, like, when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people, or a day that no work should be performed due to this phenomenon |
| 18:35.29 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:35.33 | sorphin | ~lart kergoth |
| 18:37.58 | sorphin | GPSFan_: one is ending in 4 hours for 305 :( |
| 18:39.39 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: yeah, unfortuantely good quality microscopes, are not cheap, even years after they are new, and the new models are simply unafforadable. |
| 18:40.00 | sorphin | GPSFan_: kinda like the 100mhz oscopes TomW was telling me about :P |
| 18:40.19 | sorphin | GPSFan_: i, unlike him, don't have people to 'extended loan' me stuff :P |
| 18:41.54 | GPSFan_ | o'scopes, if you don't mind analog you can pick up a tek 2465 for under $500. (100MHZ) |
| 18:42.09 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:42.12 | sorphin | under $500 |
| 18:42.59 | sorphin | ok, besides the memory for the PPRo board back in the day :P |
| 18:43.52 | sorphin | GPSFan_: if it were part of what i use to make a living, i could justify $500 |
| 18:44.11 | sorphin | GPSFan_: but while my degree is an EE, my everyday work, isn't |
| 18:44.49 | sorphin | sadly enough |
| 18:45.04 | sorphin | instead i pay $500 for things like a cisco catalyst |
| 18:45.12 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: ah, that's the rub, start doing some consulting, and then it's a business expense. ;>) |
| 18:45.37 | sorphin | GPSFan_: if i even had the time ;) |
| 18:46.06 | sorphin | GPSFan_: this place kills me, daily, stupid wcom/mci/whatever |
| 18:46.15 | TomW | sorphin: in the background of that picture I showed you of the microscope, you can see my 465 scope. |
| 18:47.02 | TomW | sorphin: a good Blue Tick hound will run you a couple hundred dollars... ;) |
| 18:47.25 | TomW | heh |
| 18:47.26 | sorphin | TomW: heh |
| 18:47.31 | sorphin | ~thwap tomw |
| 18:47.47 | TomW | I haven't been coon hunting in a long time. |
| 18:47.49 | cosmic_awayu | lnick CosmicPenguin |
| 18:48.00 | sorphin | ~lart tomw |
| 18:48.13 | CosmicPenguin | stupid keybaord |
| 18:48.16 | CosmicPenguin | stupid keyboard |
| 18:48.41 | TomW | uhhuh, blame your dyslexia on the keyboard.. |
| 18:49.00 | TomW | I have dyslexic fingers too |
| 18:49.03 | sorphin | TomW: if he were dyslexic |
| 18:49.23 | sorphin | he'd be niugnePcimsoC |
| 18:49.27 | TomW | oh, you are implying that his problem is something else? |
| 18:49.38 | sorphin | TomW: yes, his problems is something else ;) |
| 18:49.46 | TomW | heh |
| 18:49.57 | sorphin | TomW: his neck is on the chopping block after all (aka getting married/buried) |
| 18:50.08 | TomW | not operator-head-space error, is it? |
| 18:50.20 | sorphin | TomW: points up a line |
| 18:50.27 | TomW | k |
| 18:50.33 | CosmicPenguin | for a while at least |
| 18:50.45 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: what're you doing now then? |
| 18:50.46 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: have you put linux on an ipag? |
| 18:50.57 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: moving to another client |
| 18:51.00 | sorphin | TomW: he has PIXIL for an ipaq now ;) |
| 18:51.14 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I've logged at least 32 hours in the last 3 days for that damn Pixil demo |
| 18:51.25 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: fun fun |
| 18:51.39 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: its a living |
| 18:51.44 | TomW | I was looking at the instructions for putting linux on the ipag on the hh site, it looks to be a pretty intimidation process. |
| 18:51.48 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: something like that |
| 18:51.57 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: get the OZ buildroot - it make life much easier |
| 18:52.06 | TomW | at hh? |
| 18:52.10 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I'm going to try to get a tuxscreen .ipk here soon |
| 18:52.20 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: :) |
| 18:52.21 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: http://www.openzaurus.org |
| 18:52.30 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: maybe i can finally use my tuxes now ;) |
| 18:52.33 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: get the bootloader from HH, but instead of using their images, use the OZ image |
| 18:52.34 | TomW | ? that works for ipaq? |
| 18:52.39 | TomW | k |
| 18:53.14 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: it won't be very useful - my Pixil Ipaq image sits at right around 10MB - I don't know how much of pixil I can get on the Tuxscreen |
| 18:54.16 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: at least until kergoth gets uclibc working... :) |
| 18:56.00 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: will OZ work with a monochrome screen? |
| 18:56.08 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: it should... kergoth would know better than I |
| 18:56.24 | TomW | ok |
| 18:56.37 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: I know there are differences in the HW - thats why pixil won't work with it until I can get my hands on one |
| 18:56.39 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i have 2 2G pcmcia HDS for my tuxes |
| 18:56.57 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: but its no fun unless you can get them in the original flash... :) |
| 18:57.19 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: after all - thats what makes Pixil unique - otherwise we would just have a bad imitation of Qtopia |
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| 19:04.05 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: nah.. qtopia's just sad anyways ;) |
| 19:04.15 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: tho last night my xbox is now running QPE :P |
| 19:13.37 | sorphin | GPSFan_: still here ? |
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| 19:14.47 | sorphin | TomW: opinion on this one? |
| 19:14.48 | sorphin | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2521739012&category=26411 |
| 19:17.40 | TomW | 4x is not enough magnification though, I wonder if you can get different eyepeices for it to kick it up to 10x? IMO, 10x is very workable, 20x is good for looking for shorts & doing jumpering. |
| 19:18.28 | TomW | sorphin: sell your hound dawg and get a decent microscope |
| 19:18.30 | sorphin | TomW: well, it's one of the few affordable boom ones i've seen |
| 19:18.36 | sorphin | umm |
| 19:18.39 | sorphin | i don't have a dog |
| 19:18.46 | TomW | rotfl |
| 19:19.05 | sorphin | TomW: i also don't hunt, nor would i ever :P |
| 19:20.05 | TomW | I know, I agonized over getting a microsope. I thought about some of the camera setups that they had, then I thought about building something. Finally I lucked out. |
| 19:20.14 | sorphin | TomW:yeah |
| 19:20.19 | sorphin | i don't have that fortune |
| 19:20.25 | sorphin | so i have to go w/ what i can get |
| 19:20.31 | sorphin | same w/ oscopes |
| 19:20.38 | TomW | I been so much easier dealing with the fine lead SMT stuff since I got a microscope! |
| 19:21.00 | TomW | s/I been/it has been/ |
| 19:21.22 | sorphin | TomW: you still need to check your glasses tho ;) |
| 19:21.32 | TomW | now, I want some equipment to mount uBGA chips... |
| 19:21.42 | sorphin | blech |
| 19:21.42 | sorphin | bga |
| 19:22.24 | sorphin | heh, the xbox's celery is a bga (and it also has accessible jtag too :P ) |
| 19:22.27 | TomW | yeah, but, it has to be done, the really nice chips are all going BGA, if you want to do any embedded design work you have to be able to deal with prototyping them in some way |
| 19:22.42 | TomW | celery? |
| 19:22.48 | sorphin | celeron |
| 19:22.51 | TomW | k |
| 19:23.07 | TomW | you use a mod chip with the xbox? |
| 19:23.26 | sorphin | yeah, tho i may toss it soon and just reflash the board's TSOP since you can now |
| 19:24.01 | TomW | ah, so I can get an xbox, reflash it so it will boot from harddrive. can it then still do games? |
| 19:24.11 | sorphin | umm |
| 19:24.15 | sorphin | it already boots from the HD :P |
| 19:24.16 | TomW | no? |
| 19:24.34 | sorphin | and yes, i can do games just fine |
| 19:24.51 | sorphin | just cant use that cromwell bios |
| 19:25.01 | TomW | ok, so you run linux + games on it with the chip. but now you can toss the chip, put the old one back in, reflash it, and still do the same thing? |
| 19:25.32 | sorphin | i never took the old one out, it just overrides it |
| 19:25.46 | TomW | I was looking at getting an XBox for my Mom so she could have a decent linux system at the house to do things with. |
| 19:25.49 | sorphin | they call it D0 |
| 19:26.03 | sorphin | as the 'sweet spot' |
| 19:26.23 | sorphin | i think they just hijack the CE line |
| 19:26.33 | sorphin | or whatever it is (my brain is toast atm) |
| 19:26.44 | sorphin | this is what happens when you can't sleep till 5am |
| 19:27.08 | sorphin | TomW: if you get an xbox, watch the manufacture date |
| 19:27.18 | TomW | hmm, I was tempted to look at how possible it was to get a mod chip but was afraid that some of the banner ads might be some kind of federal sting operation and find myself in jail. |
| 19:27.28 | sorphin | ROTFL |
| 19:27.32 | sorphin | no |
| 19:27.40 | sorphin | both me and tim bought the same modchip |
| 19:27.47 | sorphin | julie has a diff one cuz she couldn't wait for it |
| 19:29.16 | TomW | hmm, I will have to think on this some more. I have enough krap around here that I bought and is still in-process, I may not need an xbox on the pile too. :( |
| 19:29.37 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:30.08 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: i'm here now |
| 19:31.33 | TomW | speaking of which, I am going to have to clean house here. maybe even sell a tuxscreen or two to make room for the "other" junk. |
| 19:32.00 | sorphin | TomW: careful, or you might get filed |
| 19:32.16 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: I missed you |
| 19:32.27 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: get jon to show you the ipaq before they ship it - its wicked cool |
| 19:33.04 | CosmicPenguin | anyone have a direct link to the Intel XScale programmers guide? |
| 19:33.33 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: if htey did, they prolly wouldn't admit to it ;) |
| 19:35.02 | CosmicPenguin | found it |
| 19:35.06 | CosmicPenguin | I think |
| 19:35.46 | chouimat | back |
| 19:36.48 | chouimat | file: ? |
| 19:37.05 | sorphin | chouimat: it's just file being file |
| 19:37.53 | chouimat | sorphin: ok ... and now back to that dns server |
| 19:38.01 | sorphin | chouimat: ;) |
| 19:38.22 | chouimat | sorphin: need money :) |
| 19:38.29 | sorphin | money? whats that? |
| 19:38.40 | chouimat | sorphin: yup that a paid job .... |
| 19:38.46 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - now the arm manual |
| 19:39.35 | sorphin | chouimat: btw.. got a link somewhere to the real SA1110 doc? :P intel only had the brief and the 'updated errata' crap |
| 19:39.48 | sorphin | doesn't give me the crap i need for russ' mtdjtag driver |
| 19:40.03 | chouimat | sorphin: hmmm wait |
| 19:40.51 | chouimat | sorphin: 2878240.pdf is the developer manual about 442 page |
| 19:41.14 | sorphin | got an actual link to it/copy of it? |
| 19:41.44 | chouimat | sorphin: Ii have it |
| 19:41.45 | kergoth | hrm |
| 19:42.00 | sorphin | chouimat: how big's the file? |
| 19:42.03 | kergoth | the dev manual is on intel's site |
| 19:42.03 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:42.12 | chouimat | 5.6MB |
| 19:42.16 | sorphin | kergoth: uh.. last time i searched intel's site |
| 19:42.20 | sorphin | kergoth: i regreted it |
| 19:42.20 | kergoth | its there. |
| 19:42.22 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: how does that differ from 278088? |
| 19:42.24 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:42.27 | kergoth | their site is a mess |
| 19:42.36 | kergoth | gotta bookmark the shit you find or you'll never see it again |
| 19:42.44 | sorphin | exactly |
| 19:42.52 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: don't know I don't have 278088 |
| 19:42.53 | sorphin | which is why i wanted a link ;) |
| 19:43.05 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: 278088 is the developers manual for SA1100 |
| 19:43.12 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: got dcc? |
| 19:43.22 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: it's SA1100 vs SA1110 ;) |
| 19:43.25 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and yes |
| 19:43.28 | CosmicPenguin | ah - ok then |
| 19:43.33 | CosmicPenguin | this one won't help |
| 19:43.34 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: ok 278240 is the SA-1110 manual |
| 19:43.36 | sorphin | i could use the SA1100 tho |
| 19:43.40 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: on its way |
| 19:43.41 | sorphin | too |
| 19:44.10 | CosmicPenguin | its a biggy |
| 19:44.25 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so is the SA1110's one according to mat |
| 19:44.39 | sorphin | i'm just after register stuff atm |
| 19:44.50 | sorphin | since that'll be diff for the driver to poke at |
| 19:45.30 | sorphin | kergoth: the fun part still remains |
| 19:45.48 | sorphin | kergoth: figuring out which of the 3 remaining pins are TMS TDI and TCK |
| 19:46.51 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: thanks |
| 19:46.54 | sorphin | all done |
| 19:47.56 | sorphin | cool, found it |
| 19:48.19 | sorphin | and intel can shove their 'spec update' |
| 19:48.55 | sorphin | bah, fscking b0rked link |
| 19:49.22 | sorphin | ok, web one worked |
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| 19:59.38 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: looks cool |
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