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| 00:57.49 | Morn | hi |
| 00:58.08 | file[imploded] | hi |
| 00:58.30 | sorphin | Morn: bout time ;) |
| 00:59.22 | Morn | I got xbmp working |
| 00:59.23 | Morn | very cool |
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| 00:59.36 | Morn | I just upgraded to the latest xecuter2 bios |
| 00:59.46 | Morn | but I still can't get a backup of "The Sims" to work |
| 00:59.51 | sorphin | Morn: not too impressed w/ xbmp |
| 00:59.55 | sorphin | GPSFan: evening |
| 01:00.14 | Morn | sorphin: with a wireless network connection and a media server xbmp is neat |
| 01:00.30 | Morn | though a wireless connection isn't enough to stream 6Mb/s mpegs |
| 01:00.40 | sorphin | Morn: well, i needed something for my xbox that did region free dvd :P |
| 01:00.51 | Morn | dvdx2 does that |
| 01:00.55 | sorphin | and dvdx2 will only use the controller :P |
| 01:01.11 | Morn | ah |
| 01:01.13 | Morn | I don't |
| 01:01.23 | sorphin | and the controller won't ever use it's '2nd options' |
| 01:01.24 | sorphin | :P |
| 01:01.32 | sorphin | so dvdx2 is worthless to me |
| 01:01.53 | Morn | you refuse to use the controller? |
| 01:01.57 | sorphin | the shifted options |
| 01:02.11 | sorphin | Morn: um.. read what i just said, it won't even work right w/ it :P |
| 01:02.24 | Morn | I just use it for normal playing |
| 01:02.26 | sorphin | you know how there's 2 'sets' of button functions |
| 01:02.27 | Morn | seems to work here |
| 01:02.42 | sorphin | i.e. to go backwards, etc :P |
| 01:02.44 | Morn | I have only used the play and pause buttons |
| 01:02.56 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:03.17 | sorphin | speaking of things that annoy me |
| 01:03.27 | sorphin | mpeg2vcr is working it's way onto that list |
| 01:05.22 | Morn | actually that was the whole reason I wanted xbmp |
| 01:05.27 | Morn | to watch avi's on the tv |
| 01:06.52 | GPSFan | hey sorphin: evening... |
| 01:06.52 | sorphin | Morn: well, unless xbmp can handle the TMD codec |
| 01:09.43 | Morn | I just played some TMD files |
| 01:09.58 | Morn | anger management |
| 01:10.18 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:10.37 | Morn | MS MPEG 4 V3 |
| 01:11.32 | sorphin | that's like saying that's all SMR's codec is too |
| 01:11.53 | Morn | I just looked at the file I played |
| 01:11.56 | Morn | that's all I'm saying |
| 01:12.29 | Morn | actually all 4 I played today are that |
| 01:13.55 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:19.34 | sorphin | GPSFan: btw |
| 01:19.46 | sorphin | fitted those serial boards last night.. |
| 01:19.57 | sorphin | that notch needs better placement ;) |
| 01:21.08 | sorphin | but fits good otherwise, i tried putting spacers down on the pins (more black header bottoms) to not get so close to the chips below, but it jacks it up too high so i'll have to find something else |
| 01:23.13 | GPSFan | sorphin: yeah, I know about the notch, it fits ok on mine, but I could have given it about .05-.1" more clearance, c'est la vie... |
| 01:29.18 | sorphin | GPSFan: it fits on mine, if i lean the xtal forward slightly |
| 01:34.21 | GPSFan | sorphin: that's what I did too... |
| 01:46.29 | Morn | woot! The Sims backup is working |
| 01:57.48 | sorphin | cool |
| 02:00.22 | glytchbinary | qt designer is nice (: |
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| 02:18.40 | chouimat | hi |
| 02:18.50 | GPSFan | hi chouimat |
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| 02:31.27 | chouimat | wooohoooo got a power outage 4h30 ago |
| 02:35.10 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:36.50 | chouimat | sorphin: and my ups died :( |
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| 03:51.40 | kergoth | sorphin: need a recommendation on industrial bands to check out. in a mood for some good tunes |
| 03:52.01 | kergoth | any ideas? |
| 03:52.36 | glytchbinary | industrial... like heavy metal? |
| 03:52.42 | glytchbinary | fear factory is pretty good |
| 03:52.59 | kergoth | industrial like.. industrial :) |
| 04:06.28 | sorphin | kergoth: you pretty much already know who i know |
| 04:06.46 | sorphin | wumpscut, rammstein, covenant, etc |
| 04:08.36 | kergoth | yeah, trying to find new bands. somebody up & coming. should check the local scene |
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| 06:40.48 | glytchbinary | sorphin: download? |
| 06:40.53 | glytchbinary | not out for a few more days... |
| 06:40.59 | glytchbinary | share (: |
| 06:42.02 | glytchbinary | bah, i'm going to sleep |
| 06:42.04 | sorphin | glytchbinary: yeah, just a couple songs, and that's only till tuesday when i grab the CD/DVD |
| 06:42.23 | glytchbinary | yeah, i have a copy reserved at a local shop |
| 06:42.30 | glytchbinary | as soon as they get it |
| 06:42.38 | sorphin | nod |
| 06:42.40 | glytchbinary | got to get the new massive attack album too |
| 06:42.43 | sorphin | tuesday morning ;) |
| 06:42.55 | glytchbinary | but now, i have to sleep. first day of work at ti tomorrow (: |
| 06:43.01 | sorphin | atm, i'm fighting w/ full queues :P |
| 06:43.05 | sorphin | glytchbinary: with no badge :P |
| 06:43.17 | glytchbinary | no, i get the badge tomorrow(I BETTER) |
| 06:43.21 | sorphin | riiiiight |
| 06:43.25 | glytchbinary | people take forever (: |
| 06:43.32 | sorphin | glytchbinary: could be worse ;) |
| 06:43.39 | sorphin | you could be starting where i work ;) |
| 06:43.40 | glytchbinary | heh, if not i'll tailgate tim |
| 06:43.58 | glytchbinary | is your job so bad? |
| 06:44.10 | sorphin | glytchbinary: understatement of the year |
| 06:44.16 | glytchbinary | oh |
| 06:44.19 | glytchbinary | well tell me aout it later |
| 06:44.22 | sorphin | ;) |
| 06:44.22 | glytchbinary | i have 4 hours of sleep to get |
| 06:44.26 | glytchbinary | night |
| 06:44.29 | sorphin | cya |
| 09:09.17 | Russ | yawn |
| 09:09.26 | Russ | the webpal serial connector, what voltage comes off there? |
| 11:01.10 | Russ | arg.....sf.net down |
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| 12:19.44 | Russ | shanip's, jtag's, and rs232 level converters |
| 12:19.52 | Russ | now I just need some parts from digikey |
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| 14:39.25 | chouimat | morniing |
| 14:40.26 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 14:40.54 | sorphin | ibot: monday |
| 14:40.55 | | it has been said that monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people, or a day that no work should be performed due to this phenomenon, or a day requiring the use of large amounts of drugs |
| 14:42.55 | TomW | drugs? |
| 14:42.57 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: once the source is out, one of the 1st things on my agenda is an x86 compile for my IOpeners |
| 14:43.13 | sorphin | TomW: yeah.. i'd like to know who put that there, so i can beat them senseless w/ a cluebat |
| 14:43.37 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:43.41 | sorphin | RS selling subway cars |
| 14:44.54 | sieve | morning all |
| 14:45.07 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: did you get it installed? |
| 14:46.06 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: unfortunately i'm fighting a no reader/cable issue atm, so, no, i was gonna do the tux this weekend, but gpsfan and morn both had tush probs w/ it |
| 14:46.18 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ETA for being on my Z is before the end of the week |
| 14:47.31 | MornWork | morning all |
| 14:48.09 | sorphin | erm.. crash |
| 14:48.21 | sorphin | ok, i shouldn't be awake yet |
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| 14:50.09 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: what sort of x86 build do you need? |
| 14:50.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ? its just to shove on my IOpeners |
| 14:51.23 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: but do you need a debian package? RPM? Tarball? |
| 14:51.33 | sorphin | oh |
| 14:51.35 | sorphin | umm |
| 14:51.40 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: frontal lob probe mechanism? |
| 14:51.43 | CosmicPenguin | Rocinante: holla |
| 14:52.23 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: just as long as it's not an anal probe, i don't work at digi or abcsinc, ;) |
| 14:52.32 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: got it |
| 14:52.50 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: um.. i'll have to figure it out |
| 14:53.09 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: it has a 16M sandisk |
| 14:53.36 | sorphin | so bout as much room as the Z |
| 15:04.02 | chouimat | hi sorphin CosmicPenguin |
| 15:07.00 | sorphin | chouimat: lo |
| 15:07.52 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: Ok - so you're using a basic image built on a cramfs or some such thing? |
| 15:12.08 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yeah, it'll be something like that, wish i could use OE, but... since it's not ARM :P |
| 15:12.42 | chouimat | sorphin: just add x86 support to oe |
| 15:12.59 | CosmicPenguin | Thats tough |
| 15:13.25 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: if you want, I've got a couple of x96 buildroots roaming around - they're based on the tuxscreen buildroot |
| 15:15.35 | levi | Heh, X96 buildroots. |
| 15:16.14 | CosmicPenguin | levi: yeah, all of our past STB work has been on x86 boxen |
| 15:16.34 | CosmicPenguin | levi: and I love the build root - so I adapted it for the x86 - it either builds an ext2 or cramfs image for a compact flash |
| 15:16.50 | levi | CosmicPenguin: Yeah, but you typo'd it to the name of a radio station. :) |
| 15:17.00 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, I did... :) |
| 15:17.01 | CosmicPenguin | Oops |
| 15:17.13 | CosmicPenguin | levi: yeah, its the "Buildroot From Hell"... :-) |
| 15:17.27 | sorphin | cute |
| 15:17.30 | levi | x86 buildroot is cool, X96 buildroot is funny. |
| 15:17.51 | sorphin | KSLC x96: Buildroot from H311 |
| 15:18.54 | sorphin | ~fishslap kergoth |
| 15:18.55 | | ACTION slaps kergoth up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 15:19.08 | sorphin | kergoth: morning ex-digi |
| 15:19.17 | sorphin | (saw him pop on yahoo) |
| 15:21.40 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: as for the buildroot, that should work |
| 15:25.08 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: unfortunately, its not as nicely packaged as the ipks, so maybe waiting for the source would be best |
| 15:25.17 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yeah |
| 15:25.19 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: the good news is that its my wedding thats delaying the release of the source at this point |
| 15:25.51 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you're holding up the source to put your head on the chopping block? :P |
| 15:26.13 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: what kinda geek are you? ;) |
| 15:27.16 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: As Greg made it very clear this weekend, I do not own the Pixil code, so even though I am the only developer, as far as anyone else knows, its his code |
| 15:27.32 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:27.38 | CosmicPenguin | So my own happiness is far more important than dealing with that |
| 15:28.06 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: greg is still on my 'what a shithead' list |
| 15:28.24 | chouimat | ? |
| 15:28.42 | sorphin | chouimat: read up a few lines where CP mentions greg |
| 15:29.13 | chouimat | sorphin: ok... |
| 15:31.57 | TomW | what is so great about pixil, other than CosmicPenguin has spent a lot of time working on the code? |
| 15:31.57 | sorphin | TomW: heh |
| 15:31.57 | sorphin | TomW: have you installed/seen/used it? |
| 15:31.58 | TomW | I've seen thte screenshots, yes, other than that, why cannot something like matchbox, etc. be the focus of development? |
| 15:31.58 | TomW | I mean, if the guy who "owns" the copyright is such an asshole, why promote his stuff by continuing the development? |
| 15:31.58 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 15:32.07 | TomW | sorphin: am I missing something here? |
| 15:32.20 | sorphin | TomW: i think so :P |
| 15:32.30 | chouimat | hi TomW |
| 15:33.29 | TomW | apparently I am |
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| 15:34.29 | TomW | chouimat: hello |
| 15:34.34 | kergoth | morning. |
| 15:36.27 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: morning |
| 15:36.59 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: whats new |
| 15:40.25 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: ssdd |
| 15:40.40 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: wanna help me set up a CVS repository for Pixil? |
| 15:40.50 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: I think I have all the permissions, but who knows? |
| 15:43.58 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: first question - is there already a "pixil" repository? |
| 15:46.49 | sorphin | GPSFan: mornin |
| 15:47.59 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: nm - it seems to be working |
| 15:48.28 | kergoth | man i didnt do a damn thing all weekend |
| 15:48.35 | kergoth | i should really get productive |
| 15:48.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:48.53 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: what greg i don't think realizes, while he "owns" the code, ones the code is out, it's being forked ;) |
| 15:48.59 | sorphin | kergoth: yeah, riiiight |
| 15:55.36 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: well, anyway |
| 15:55.42 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: what was wrong on the tuxscreens? |
| 15:55.56 | sorphin | GPSFan: wake up ken |
| 15:56.21 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ken'll have to tell you, i don't rememeber exactly and i've since upgraded BX and so lost scrollback |
| 15:56.37 | MornWork | CosmicPenguin: I couldn't do much with pixil on the tuxscreen, I don't seem to have a working touchscreen |
| 15:56.42 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: think it was something w/ even more'ing files causing a prob |
| 15:56.48 | CosmicPenguin | hmmmm...... |
| 15:56.59 | MornWork | I can't calibrate, and if I avoid running the calibrate command then it never starts the nxserver |
| 15:57.03 | sorphin | and yeah, Morn has been breaking her tux |
| 15:58.45 | sorphin | she could atleast put it on her Z or ipaq tho ;) |
| 15:58.45 | CosmicPenguin | MornWork: probably because the nano-X server crashes |
| 15:58.45 | MornWork | a long time ago when I took it apart to modify the pcmcia slot it slipped of my lap an the cable got 'pulled' for the touchscreen |
| 15:58.45 | CosmicPenguin | MornWork: we've got floating point exception issue going on |
| 15:58.45 | CosmicPenguin | MornWork: I know you're at work, but can you cat /dev/ucb1x00-ts and get random data? |
| 15:59.03 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i think she was getting a device busy before |
| 15:59.08 | CosmicPenguin | doh |
| 15:59.17 | MornWork | I tried that and it gave me an error |
| 15:59.44 | MornWork | error 16 |
| 15:59.58 | MornWork | which someone looked up in the source and thought it was device busy like sorphin said |
| 16:01.13 | CosmicPenguin | Hmm... thats sad |
| 16:01.33 | CosmicPenguin | MornWork: I can get a fixed version of the server up by this afternoon, but without touchscreen, it won't be much fun |
| 16:01.54 | MornWork | nothing is ever fun for me :-( |
| 16:02.17 | MornWork | as the MIS department head I have to write a first quarter report to the board of directors, I started in April |
| 16:02.53 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: just gonna have the server up to shove into the image or a new jffs2? |
| 16:03.18 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: prolly the second |
| 16:04.03 | sorphin | k |
| 16:04.59 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: Obviously I have lots of hacking to do |
| 16:05.44 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: j00 133+ pixil h4x0r j00 |
| 16:12.28 | CosmicPenguin | So only Dave has had any joy so far? |
| 16:12.56 | sorphin | so far |
| 16:13.47 | sorphin | prolly end up breaking in the microscope for this one |
| 16:17.56 | GPSFan | sorphin: hey I'm awake now, was busy all morning. |
| 16:18.49 | GPSFan | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.15 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: e-mail em to me if you can: jordan@cosmicpenguin.net |
| 16:19.26 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: will do... |
| 16:34.41 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: e-mail on the way, I gotta run out for a while bbl.. |
| 16:34.50 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: cool |
| 16:35.30 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you want me to wait (atleast on installing on my tux) till you get to look through ken's report? |
| 16:38.47 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: if you want |
| 16:39.14 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: well, i didn't wanna come at you w/ bugs you were just informed about |
| 16:39.47 | CosmicPenguin | Good bugs |
| 16:48.16 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: most trivial or most pita to fix? |
| 16:48.42 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: mostly trivial - there are a few keyboard issues, but I knew that already |
| 16:48.56 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: k |
| 16:59.11 | GPSFan | back |
| 16:59.31 | sorphin | front |
| 17:01.49 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: forgot one, in inittab there are 2 respawn statements for clserver,and nxstart.sh. the path to them is wrong, and when corrected, they don't respawn. this may be a busybox issue. |
| 17:02.06 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: yeah - both those are old - I forgot to remove them |
| 17:02.11 | GPSFan | k |
| 17:02.20 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: but when I replaced them with the correct path, it still didn't start when I rebooted |
| 17:02.26 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: I dunno why |
| 17:02.41 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: bad init w/ busybox mebbe? |
| 17:02.49 | CosmicPenguin | ?? |
| 17:03.20 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: maybe it's just busybox's /sbin/init code |
| 17:04.37 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: there are also a lot of stuff left around from applets (like .gifs) that aren't included in the tux distribution, they speak of a pixil is far more that what's on the tux atm. |
| 17:05.26 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: yeah - I've got to address that next |
| 17:05.48 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: is there a way to have applets etc loacated on a CF card? I put in a fat 32MB card and a ext2 32M card and they both worked, and were mounted at bootup. ;>) |
| 17:06.29 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: technically its possible - pratically, its harder because the registry database isn't very intellegent at this point |
| 17:06.54 | CosmicPenguin | It can be changed, but it is esentially hard coded at install time - and changing it around is a cast iron bitch |
| 17:07.24 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: maybe something can be worked out with sym links on the tux flash to the cf card, or do a piviot-root to the cf card. |
| 17:07.58 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: the best thing to do is something like oz does - basically do a "package install" at first boot |
| 17:08.12 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: then we could specify a root or something like that |
| 17:08.46 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: cool, I'm sure that something will evolve. |
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| 17:09.10 | sorphin | oh no |
| 17:09.14 | sorphin | it's the plague |
| 17:09.24 | sorphin | hide your teenage girls |
| 17:09.35 | sorphin | and your big haired women |
| 17:09.53 | prpplague | lol, and your good beer stash |
| 17:10.06 | sorphin | prpplague: that too |
| 17:10.55 | prpplague | GPSFan: ha, just bought a bottle of ruination and double aba to take home |
| 17:11.28 | sorphin | GPSFan: since you missed it, i should be having some "fun" real soon now |
| 17:11.31 | GPSFan | prpplague: some friends jus brought me 2 bottles each, haven't tried the r-IPA yet. |
| 17:11.48 | GPSFan | sorphin: fun??? |
| 17:11.58 | sorphin | GPSFan: that was sarcasm btw.. |
| 17:12.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: also go bottles of dogfish head 90 minute IPA, fishtaile liviathian and posiedian |
| 17:12.23 | sorphin | GPSFan: picking up a new tip for the iron and desoldering braid so i can try and haxor another method for this Z connector |
| 17:12.31 | sorphin | GPSFan: gonna have to use the microscope for this one |
| 17:13.01 | GPSFan | prpplague: if you are in Seattle you have some real good micro's around as well a lot of nice places to enjopt goodd beer. |
| 17:13.07 | sorphin | i may end up doing the sharp razor blade/bare copper area method |
| 17:13.14 | sorphin | since these pins require such small traces |
| 17:13.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: yep, bought the only good thing about seattle |
| 17:14.03 | sorphin | prpplague: anyone looked at you funny yet cuz of your texass accent? |
| 17:14.46 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: the missing font messages are OK - the bad packet messages are not |
| 17:14.53 | CosmicPenguin | Thats weird |
| 17:15.04 | GPSFan | prpplague: dribe up to Whibey Island if you get the chance, there are a lot of good beers served at the ferry terminal, and the Dog House Saloon on the island has a great view of the water and good food to boot. |
| 17:15.33 | prpplague | sorphin: yep, lots |
| 17:15.37 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: do you need me to re-create the bad packet msgs and copy them to you? |
| 17:15.52 | sorphin | prpplague: ah good, things sound normal then ;) |
| 17:15.55 | prpplague | sorphin: i almost had to kick some liberal enviromental whack out infront of the hotel last week |
| 17:16.08 | prpplague | GPSFan: no time for a drive |
| 17:16.08 | sorphin | prpplague: oh? |
| 17:16.18 | prpplague | GPSFan: mainly in seattle |
| 17:16.39 | GPSFan | prpplague: oh well, there are plenty there to keep you busy... |
| 17:16.56 | prpplague | sorphin: ya i was kinda lookin forward to whopin his ass, but he got scared and ran |
| 17:17.04 | prpplague | GPSFan: indeed |
| 17:17.05 | sorphin | GPSFan: yeah, blonde, brunette and redhead |
| 17:17.56 | sorphin | GPSFan: uh.. why me? thats what keeps dave busy |
| 17:18.03 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: nah - they won't have any meaning anyway |
| 17:18.09 | GPSFan | oh sorry. ;>) |
| 17:18.18 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: k |
| 17:18.35 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: thats usually an indication of using an different Nano-X server than the client library |
| 17:18.43 | sorphin | GPSFan: anyways, any recommendations? |
| 17:19.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: speaking of nano-x |
| 17:20.09 | GPSFan | sorphin: hmm, that's the sort of thing you play by ear, as you get into the mod, the right technique may reveal itself. |
| 17:20.51 | sorphin | GPSFan: did notice after last night/the other night, cutting on a board w/ a blade dulls the hell outta that blade fast :/ |
| 17:21.46 | GPSFan | sorphin: yep, I re-sharpen my x-acto blades all the time, cutting fiberglass board wipes out an edge in no-time. |
| 17:22.57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yessss? |
| 17:23.30 | sorphin | GPSFan: the traces at the bottom of http://www.captainrock.com/~dans/P1010171.JPG are what i have to come up with pretty much :/ |
| 17:24.59 | GPSFan | sorphin: so you need to cut some traces from the silver connector to the via's then wire the connector pins to a new location? |
| 17:26.03 | sorphin | GPSFan: no, that board it was using (which is what you're seeing i nthat pic) is now trashed.. i need to dup it trace wise (just for the conn) so i can use the conn |
| 17:26.14 | sorphin | the pins on the conn are a bitch to solder to, so... |
| 17:27.30 | GPSFan | sorphin: oh, I think I see. I'd superglue the connector to a bare piece of board and use #30 wire-wrap wire. |
| 17:27.59 | sorphin | GPSFan: was thinking that too |
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| 17:28.21 | sorphin | Error403: ugh, not you again ;) |
| 17:28.29 | Error403 | :( |
| 17:28.39 | sorphin | Error403: i was kidding :P |
| 17:28.43 | GPSFan | I've done that with some small smt connectors, it works, but takes a while, and sin't too sturdy. |
| 17:28.51 | *** join/#elinux mallum (~mallum@pc-80-193-218-21-hw.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 17:28.53 | sorphin | gps; yeah |
| 17:29.05 | sorphin | mallum: oh no mr matchbox ;) |
| 17:34.57 | mallum | ~lart sorphin |
| 17:35.02 | mallum | sorphin: heya :-) |
| 17:35.41 | kergoth | hey mallum |
| 17:35.46 | mallum | hey kergoth |
| 17:36.36 | kergoth | mallum: qt/e obeys the kernel keymap now, c700 we should probably move some of the keybindings into the kernel keymap rather than handling them at the xmodmap level |
| 17:37.18 | CosmicPenguin | Dot'h |
| 17:37.28 | CosmicPenguin | Actually, its Doh'th |
| 17:38.35 | mallum | kergoth: oh cool, you patched the kernels keymap ? |
| 17:38.56 | kergoth | mallum: no, i patched qt to obey it, so we now only have in opie the combinations that are mapped in kernel |
| 17:39.09 | kergoth | mallum: i'm saying we should patch it, for those combinations which you had to do above that layer |
| 17:39.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you were suppose to send me a flnx and nano-x patch to work with the pixil images |
| 17:39.37 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah |
| 17:39.43 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: oops - forgot all about it |
| 17:40.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: but my delay has proved to be useful - all of my changes are now in Microwindows CVS |
| 17:40.33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: so if you grab MW CVS and flnx-0.17 you should be good to go |
| 17:40.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i tried using the nano-x standard 0.89, but my apps just segfault |
| 17:40.52 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: wierd |
| 17:41.01 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: they shouldn't seg fault, I know that much |
| 17:41.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm |
| 17:42.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: probably linked against a wrong lib |
| 17:44.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: used it over the weekend |
| 17:44.24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: bug reports? |
| 17:44.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: other than a few minor bugs and the fact i'm still having problems with terminal |
| 17:44.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: trying to keep notes |
| 17:44.52 | CosmicPenguin | email 'em in: jordan@cosmicpenguin.net |
| 17:45.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: will do. probably not till i get back |
| 17:45.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Ok - works for me |
| 17:45.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i removed the getty on tty1 and started pixil up from inittab |
| 17:45.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is that how your doing it? or from an init script? |
| 17:45.58 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: from inittab - if you started from an init script then you can't have the terminal |
| 17:46.18 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: at least on the ipaq - I guess you could always have an ssh session on the Z |
| 17:46.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok so your call nxstart.sh from inittab? |
| 17:46.32 | CosmicPenguin | What I really need to do is write that guistart app we were all discussing |
| 17:46.54 | CosmicPenguin | Because hacking inittab and other system scripts is a PITA in both buildroot-tux and buildroot-oz |
| 17:46.59 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: exactly |
| 17:47.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, i created the ttyp0 and ptyp0 and have the no shell problem, now , if i use the getty and login, then start nxstart.sh the terminal works |
| 17:48.10 | CosmicPenguin | ??? |
| 17:48.20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Is your shell in a non standard place? |
| 17:48.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, standard buildroot-oz |
| 17:49.24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: so you created ttyp0 and ptyp0 (2,0) and (3,0) respectively, right? |
| 17:49.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not a big deal, i'll figure it out when i get back |
| 17:49.38 | CosmicPenguin | And nxterm still shows no prompt? |
| 17:49.40 | CosmicPenguin | Any error messages? |
| 17:50.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: actually yhe other way ttyp0 -3 ptyp0 -2 |
| 17:50.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: none that i can see, just haven't had time to delve into it |
| 17:51.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we just came up live this morning, so things should slow down |
| 17:54.30 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: my phone is going nuts after putting :respawn:/usr/pixil/nxstart.sh in the inittab |
| 17:56.10 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: my inittab entry looks just like that except I have no colon infront of respawn. |
| 17:56.18 | GPSFan | bbl gotta run |
| 19:09.18 | CosmicPenguin | Yo, signal11 |
| 19:09.22 | CosmicPenguin | You around? |
| 19:09.32 | signal11 | sup |
| 19:09.42 | signal11 | er, yes i am. |
| 19:09.42 | CosmicPenguin | did you just nuke my home directory from cvs.viewml.com? |
| 19:09.58 | signal11 | let me un-nuke it here real quick |
| 19:10.06 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: grassy ass |
| 19:13.07 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: you done? |
| 19:13.11 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: permission denied |
| 19:18.19 | Russ | anyone interesting in shanip mods, serial level converters, or "jtag perf board"? |
| 19:18.39 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: what are you trying to do |
| 19:18.47 | signal11 | i just did su - jordanc and all of the files are there |
| 19:25.49 | sorphin | Russ: eh? |
| 19:26.11 | sorphin | signal11: and are they owned by him? |
| 19:26.14 | sorphin | ;) |
| 19:27.08 | signal11 | well i did a chmod 777 /home |
| 19:27.10 | signal11 | so that shouldn't matter |
| 19:27.12 | signal11 | (j/k) |
| 19:27.20 | signal11 | chmod -R |
| 19:27.23 | signal11 | ok joke is already ruined |
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| 19:28.13 | sorphin | ~lart signal11 |
| 19:28.53 | signal11 | heh |
| 19:29.01 | signal11 | TyStudio rocks, btw |
| 19:29.11 | sorphin | cool |
| 19:29.14 | signal11 | not that you need it |
| 19:29.25 | signal11 | pretty easy, point and drool |
| 19:29.32 | sorphin | well, atm anything is crappy |
| 19:29.35 | sorphin | stupid usb ethernet |
| 19:29.52 | sorphin | you stress it enough |
| 19:30.14 | sorphin | it 'temporarily disconnects' itself, and un-ifconfigs |
| 19:30.17 | Russ | sorphin: http://gothicfury.com/boards |
| 19:30.43 | sorphin | Russ: yumm |
| 19:30.46 | sorphin | erm |
| 19:30.47 | sorphin | umm |
| 19:30.57 | sorphin | Russ: redirects me to: |
| 19:30.59 | sorphin | http://www.theborgcollective.com/ |
| 19:31.08 | Russ | hmmm |
| 19:31.08 | sorphin | "Default Page" |
| 19:31.44 | Russ | maybe try http://www.gothicfury.com/boards |
| 19:32.10 | sorphin | Russ: might wanna check if your webserver implicitly requires the trailing / and won't rewrite the uri |
| 19:32.32 | Russ | *shrug* |
| 19:32.36 | Russ | not my webserver |
| 19:32.39 | sorphin | oh |
| 19:32.50 | Russ | did you find them eventually |
| 19:32.54 | sorphin | ya |
| 19:33.16 | sorphin | c & s versions of 6 pdf files |
| 19:33.22 | Russ | component/solder |
| 19:33.26 | sorphin | ah |
| 19:33.37 | sorphin | which shanip did you base from? |
| 19:34.02 | Russ | the jtag perf lets you solder a db25 on one side, and an up to 17x2 or 17x1 connector on the other |
| 19:34.15 | Russ | I think it was shanip3...could be wrong, it was the one with just 8 components |
| 19:34.30 | Russ | then you get some jumper wire and make the appropriate connections |
| 19:34.54 | chouimat | hmm don't work here |
| 19:35.10 | sorphin | chouimat: http://www.gothicfury.com/boards/ works |
| 19:35.32 | Russ | I sent those off to olimex |
| 19:35.33 | chouimat | sorphin: I got cannot connect to host borg |
| 19:35.49 | sorphin | umm |
| 19:35.51 | Russ | chouimat: what web client is that? |
| 19:36.00 | sorphin | Russ: that's what mine was doing too |
| 19:36.05 | sorphin | redireting to "borg" |
| 19:36.09 | sorphin | but that was w/o the / |
| 19:36.21 | sorphin | chouimat: try WITH the trailing slash and using www. |
| 19:36.24 | chouimat | ok with the / |
| 19:37.28 | sorphin | well, i'd say whoever's webserver that is then |
| 19:37.35 | sorphin | has uri rewrite turned off |
| 19:37.51 | sorphin | and/or no rule for throwing on the trailing / |
| 19:38.20 | Russ | try my server |
| 19:38.29 | Russ | aquaman.gothicfury.com/boards |
| 19:38.46 | sorphin | that one works |
| 19:38.48 | sorphin | right off |
| 19:38.54 | sorphin | and it appends the / |
| 19:38.56 | sorphin | for you |
| 19:40.25 | Russ | now I just need to find out exactly how it will be panelized so I can order parts |
| 19:40.55 | sorphin | you mean so you know how many of each parts to get? |
| 19:41.01 | Russ | right |
| 19:41.04 | sorphin | k |
| 19:45.45 | {brian} | anyone know of a place to look for indestructable touch screens |
| 19:48.22 | CosmicPenguin | 3M makes some industrial touchscreens under the name MicroTouch |
| 19:48.30 | CosmicPenguin | Formally known as dynaprop |
| 19:48.42 | CosmicPenguin | or dynapro if you can type |
| 19:49.19 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: typing like that might explain some of the pixil bugs? ;) |
| 19:49.48 | kergoth | why, oh why, do i always volunteer for new projects |
| 19:50.09 | sorphin | kergoth: cuz you're a lackey, like me |
| 19:51.09 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: typing like that *always* accounts for my pixil bugs |
| 19:51.28 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ah ;) |
| 19:51.57 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: for about 2 years, the default config for Ipaq on Microwindows had HAVE_XPM_UPPORT instead of HAVE_XPM_SUPPORT |
| 19:52.06 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:52.10 | sorphin | scary |
| 19:52.11 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: so every damn time I brought up a new tree, the images wouldn't load |
| 19:52.51 | sorphin | pretty much ;) |
| 19:52.59 | glytchbinary | damnit!!! |
| 19:53.06 | kergoth | glytchbinary: ? |
| 19:53.07 | glytchbinary | they'll have that badge ready one of these years |
| 19:53.14 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:53.24 | glytchbinary | i should just start showing up, minus the badge. |
| 19:53.24 | sorphin | glytchbinary: <nelson> HAHA! </nelson> |
| 19:53.30 | kergoth | shit dood, at this rate i'll be out there by the time you get one |
| 19:53.32 | kergoth | :P |
| 19:53.35 | sorphin | glytchbinary: i TOLD you |
| 19:53.38 | glytchbinary | (: |
| 19:53.41 | glytchbinary | sorphin: yeah, you did. |
| 19:54.00 | sorphin | glytchbinary: been no appearance by timmy today in here either |
| 19:55.19 | glytchbinary | he seems to sign on and say something every few hours |
| 19:55.39 | sorphin | glytchbinary: something to that effect |
| 19:56.14 | glytchbinary | sigh... |
| 19:56.22 | glytchbinary | every day i feel like i get more and more behind |
| 19:56.28 | glytchbinary | they need to hurry up with the badge |
| 19:56.39 | kergoth | you probably feel that way because every day you get more and more behind |
| 19:56.41 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:56.58 | sorphin | kergoth: in pay ;) |
| 19:57.14 | glytchbinary | well actually |
| 19:57.20 | glytchbinary | until the end of may i won't really be making anything |
| 19:57.35 | glytchbinary | ~25$/day to get to work and back |
| 19:57.37 | sorphin | oops :P |
| 19:57.46 | glytchbinary | get my license at the end of may |
| 19:58.23 | glytchbinary | and also i'll be in school till like may 28th, and until then i can't get to TI until 3:15 |
| 19:59.05 | sorphin | well, unless they allow telecommuting |
| 19:59.08 | sorphin | i won't be a TI'er |
| 19:59.20 | glytchbinary | what do you guys think of ITT tech ? |
| 19:59.35 | Russ | its an IT school |
| 19:59.43 | sorphin | glytchbinary: that'd be where i sank $25,000 |
| 19:59.47 | sorphin | for nothing |
| 19:59.49 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: did anyone ever hack in a ioctl() interface to the video backlight stuff? |
| 19:59.52 | glytchbinary | sorphin: tell me about it |
| 19:59.55 | Russ | you learn to be an IT person |
| 20:00.01 | sorphin | Russ: wrong |
| 20:00.03 | glytchbinary | well they have comp sci classes |
| 20:00.07 | glytchbinary | and graphics |
| 20:00.12 | sorphin | glytchbinary: not when i went there |
| 20:00.13 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: there are various patches floating around, even I have one out there |
| 20:00.22 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: anything we can stick into the buildroot-tux? |
| 20:00.33 | glytchbinary | if i went to itt tech i could take classes three days a week from 6pm-10pm and it wouldn't affect my work schedule |
| 20:00.35 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: you mean a test app? |
| 20:00.49 | glytchbinary | and i wouldn't have to take the sat ( : |
| 20:00.49 | sorphin | glytchbinary: i went there it was 5 days a week |
| 20:00.56 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: no, the kernel infrastructure - I can't find it anywhere |
| 20:01.04 | Russ | its in the tux patch for one |
| 20:01.12 | sorphin | glytchbinary: i hate you, ya know |
| 20:01.15 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: got a directory path? |
| 20:01.21 | glytchbinary | sorphin: heh, why is that? |
| 20:01.22 | Russ | for? |
| 20:01.38 | sorphin | glytchbinary: getting a job like you're gettng right outta HS :P |
| 20:01.39 | glytchbinary | sorphin: also, what do employers think of your degree from ITT? |
| 20:01.44 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: drivers/video/backlight/ doesn't have any ioctl handlers |
| 20:01.45 | glytchbinary | sorphin: still in HS |
| 20:01.50 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: and I'm trying to figure out where the code lives |
| 20:01.53 | sorphin | glytchbinary: same diff |
| 20:01.54 | Russ | http://russ.dhs.org:8000/files/tuxpatches/backlight.txt |
| 20:01.57 | Russ | go to the end of that |
| 20:02.05 | glytchbinary | and got offered a position yesterday... for Linux tech support 40-60K/year |
| 20:02.05 | sorphin | glytchbinary: it's an accredited degree in engineering |
| 20:02.30 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: ahh, sneaky |
| 20:02.32 | glytchbinary | anyone want the original email? |
| 20:02.38 | sorphin | glytchbinary: and here |
| 20:02.42 | sorphin | i'm stuck still at MCI |
| 20:02.50 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: yes, put it in linux/Documentation/backlight.txt, they'll never find it there |
| 20:02.51 | sorphin | sneaking in unix work when i can |
| 20:02.56 | sorphin | :P |
| 20:03.33 | sorphin | glytchbinary: i told you i hated you now, and now you see the result of it |
| 20:03.36 | sorphin | :P |
| 20:03.38 | glytchbinary | lol |
| 20:03.52 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: it hooks into the fb ioctls |
| 20:03.55 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: yeah, yeah - I was looking for the code, not for an ioctl() howto |
| 20:04.07 | sorphin | glytchbinary: unless that job is in MO or telecommutable |
| 20:04.11 | sorphin | it's no go for me |
| 20:04.11 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: nothing like changing the API every few days to keep you on your toes |
| 20:04.16 | glytchbinary | sorphin: how about this, i can test through almost my entire first year at ITT Tech, got a contract position at ti, just got offered that linux tech support position. and guess what, i'm failing HS comp sci |
| 20:04.19 | Russ | so section 3 is what you wanted? |
| 20:04.28 | glytchbinary | sorphin: want the email? |
| 20:04.36 | sorphin | glytchbinary: sure, why not |
| 20:06.24 | glytchbinary | chouimat|afk: , decide on the dreamcast? |
| 20:06.33 | Russ | maybe comp sci isn't for you...unless your teacher has serious brain damage |
| 20:06.35 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:06.39 | sorphin | i need to hook mine back up |
| 20:06.46 | Russ | that class was such a cakewalk, even in pascal |
| 20:06.58 | glytchbinary | its the most boring, redundant, useless class ever |
| 20:07.00 | sorphin | Russ: i avoided pascal thankfully |
| 20:07.24 | glytchbinary | hs comp sci is basically a training class to take the comp sci ap test |
| 20:07.36 | glytchbinary | i made a perfect 5 on it(highest) |
| 20:07.46 | glytchbinary | it was so simple |
| 20:07.51 | sorphin | overrated |
| 20:07.58 | glytchbinary | but this class... omg. it sucks |
| 20:08.03 | sorphin | glytchbinary: comp engineering |
| 20:08.04 | glytchbinary | sorphin: think so? |
| 20:08.05 | sorphin | maybe |
| 20:08.10 | sorphin | compsci, F no |
| 20:08.29 | glytchbinary | well at itt they have, comp sci, app programming, some other stuff.... |
| 20:08.33 | sorphin | a comp sci degree teaches you how to be an M$ drone |
| 20:08.37 | Russ | I did computer systems engineering |
| 20:08.40 | sorphin | glytchbinary: fyi |
| 20:08.45 | sorphin | i took ACT not SAT :P |
| 20:08.47 | Russ | never had to use msvc++ once |
| 20:08.57 | Russ | sorphin: doesn't hurt to take both |
| 20:09.07 | glytchbinary | yeah, i'd actually have a course in linux kernel dev |
| 20:09.08 | CosmicPenguin | glytchbinary: just so you know, I have been on interview teams for 3 different companies, and we have never hired an ITT grad |
| 20:09.27 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 20:09.53 | glytchbinary | CosmicPenguin: because they went to ITT ? and why. and if i interviewed with you and had a degree from itt and work experience with ti, would you still make the same decision? |
| 20:10.12 | Russ | my friend just graduated from uat (http://uat.edu) |
| 20:10.20 | sorphin | i only went there cuz i wanted a "degree" piece of paper, and didn't want all the normal BS college classes that are unnecessary |
| 20:10.30 | glytchbinary | sorphin: my reasoning as well |
| 20:11.11 | Russ | sorphin: you underestimated some of the coursework and professors at high end engineering schools |
| 20:11.19 | levi | sorphin: How does a comp sci degree teach you how to be a M$ drone? It's all theory and math and stuff. |
| 20:11.20 | CosmicPenguin | glytchbinary: not because they were from ITT, but because invariably, they tested well below the other applicants |
| 20:11.23 | Russ | s/underestimated/underestimate/ |
| 20:11.39 | Russ | levi: depends on the school |
| 20:11.42 | sorphin | Russ: you also overestimate how i'd do in a 'large high end eng uni' :P |
| 20:11.43 | glytchbinary | CosmicPenguin: on a test given at the interview? |
| 20:12.00 | levi | Russ: If they're teaching something else, it's not really comp sci. |
| 20:12.06 | CosmicPenguin | glytchbinary: no, actually just based on the questions we asked them. |
| 20:12.10 | glytchbinary | ok |
| 20:12.19 | sorphin | levi: it's Comp $ci |
| 20:12.35 | CosmicPenguin | glytchbinary: All we're saying is, don't waste your money. If you really are that good, then you'll get hired anyway |
| 20:12.39 | Russ | sorphin: very competative classes (competetive with other students) |
| 20:13.13 | glytchbinary | CosmicPenguin: i know what you mean.. it'd definately be alot cheaper. |
| 20:13.20 | Russ | sorphin: I took an opengl class as a fill in credit, (needed cse4xx credit) and got to do it in gtk+/gtkglarea |
| 20:13.22 | glytchbinary | especially with nice references on your resume |
| 20:13.40 | glytchbinary | i like the glut toolkit for opengl |
| 20:13.45 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i'd just started w/ linux like 3 months before graduation (1993).. so.. i didn't ahve the benefit of what glytch will now |
| 20:13.48 | Russ | glut...eww... |
| 20:13.51 | glytchbinary | haven't played with opengl in awhile.. |
| 20:14.22 | sorphin | every job i've went for |
| 20:14.34 | glytchbinary | sorphin: did you read that email? |
| 20:14.43 | sorphin | has been indirectly related to my background |
| 20:14.56 | sorphin | because i've had no 'corporate experience' in it till now :P |
| 20:14.57 | levi | A degree that's not about computing theory should be called 'Software Engineering' or 'Information Systems' or something. |
| 20:15.04 | sorphin | glytchbinary: yeah |
| 20:15.11 | Russ | http://www.ronneseth.com/me/school/school.php <- asu cse student.. |
| 20:15.13 | sorphin | levi: technicality |
| 20:17.01 | CosmicPenguin | I think that some universities CS degrees are for crap, and some are really good |
| 20:17.27 | CosmicPenguin | I think that the University of Utah degree was definately worth it |
| 20:17.28 | levi | sorphin: Yeah, but calling comp sci degrees training to be M$ drones is silly, if they're real CS degrees and not mislabeled 'practical programming' degrees. |
| 20:18.25 | Russ | anyway, I would not be where I am on the hardware side of things without some of the coursework I had |
| 20:18.46 | Russ | much of the other coursework was a waste of my time though, other than getting a shiny piece of paper |
| 20:18.51 | kergoth | one of these years |
| 20:18.53 | glytchbinary | sorphin: if i don't go to college i can work the TI job and that one i emailed you and make quite a bit. but i'd have absolutely no free time during the week, and barely 8 hours of sleep |
| 20:19.06 | glytchbinary | sorphin: email me your resume |
| 20:19.12 | glytchbinary | they called me.... |
| 20:19.21 | sorphin | glytchbinary: heh, i used to work 21 hour days, 6 days a week |
| 20:19.26 | glytchbinary | (: |
| 20:19.30 | sorphin | slept on sunday |
| 20:19.44 | sorphin | then burned out |
| 20:20.16 | glytchbinary | Russ: "9" Color screen w/ no colors (they just got lost somewhere)" (: Lol |
| 20:20.21 | sorphin | the bread and butter job was AT&T as a network analyst |
| 20:20.23 | glytchbinary | on your hardware page |
| 20:20.30 | sorphin | the fun job |
| 20:20.34 | sorphin | was running an ISP |
| 20:20.37 | glytchbinary | sorphin: why else are you avoiding the ti job? |
| 20:20.49 | sorphin | glytchbinary: i just said |
| 20:21.00 | MornWork | it was good money at the time |
| 20:21.05 | TomW | sorphin: yeah, I burned out once, just once, I have been carefull about that since. |
| 20:21.09 | MornWork | but I too was a bit burned out at the end |
| 20:21.16 | Russ | my hardware page? |
| 20:21.45 | MornWork | sorphin: so am I |
| 20:21.50 | TomW | MornWork: silly girl! |
| 20:21.51 | glytchbinary | Russ: on that link you posted |
| 20:21.51 | Russ | oh, thats not my hardware page, its a current cse student with some coursework up |
| 20:22.00 | sorphin | i did more lowlevel stuff under dos thank i do under unix |
| 20:22.02 | MornWork | and for 2 years I got someone to pay me $80/hr and worked 100+ hrs a week doing it |
| 20:22.08 | MornWork | silly person that I am |
| 20:22.29 | sorphin | so i wouldn't cut it at a coding job |
| 20:22.36 | glytchbinary | MornWork: $80/hr ???? goddamnit, i want that job |
| 20:22.46 | sorphin | and as far as EE |
| 20:22.49 | MornWork | glytchbinary: 1994 yeah, working for a drug company |
| 20:22.56 | glytchbinary | 80/hr.... jesus. |
| 20:22.56 | sorphin | TomW makes me look like a n00b |
| 20:23.15 | sorphin | as does gpsfan |
| 20:23.19 | kergoth | tomw makes most people like like a n00b |
| 20:23.24 | sorphin | and sysadmining |
| 20:23.26 | sorphin | welll |
| 20:23.33 | sorphin | i hold my own |
| 20:23.41 | sorphin | i.e. the boxes here at work |
| 20:24.09 | sorphin | and the new boxes for the next version of the sw we use |
| 20:24.13 | sorphin | i'm setting up myself |
| 20:24.21 | kergoth | for years i couldnt decide on whether i wanted to do sys admin or coding for a living |
| 20:24.42 | sorphin | wonder how seti/RC5-72 would do on 2 quad V480 Sunfires :P |
| 20:25.16 | sorphin | 4x900mhz, 8G mem, 8M cache on each proc |
| 20:25.37 | sorphin | damn boxes cost more than my degree (just barely tho) each |
| 20:26.02 | sorphin | kergoth: whatever i do for a living |
| 20:26.09 | sorphin | has to be something i won't do in my spare time |
| 20:26.18 | sorphin | else i won't be able to enjoy it in my spare time |
| 20:26.33 | sorphin | which is why i've been migrating back to EE |
| 20:26.48 | sorphin | since i'm being dragged into sysadmining/minor coding here |
| 20:27.28 | sorphin | anyways |
| 20:28.18 | TomW | MornWork: so you can charge $100/hr then? |
| 20:28.29 | MornWork | nah, I want to get a degree in math |
| 20:28.39 | TomW | heh |
| 20:28.53 | TomW | what would you do with a degree in math? |
| 20:29.21 | MornWork | research in AI |
| 20:29.27 | TomW | MornWork: taking up Fortran programming? |
| 20:29.53 | sorphin | TomW: well, i hit up gpsfan, now it's your turn if you don't mind... |
| 20:30.00 | CosmicPenguin | LISP baby! |
| 20:30.01 | MornWork | I'd like to do some advanced work with fuzzy logic |
| 20:30.07 | TomW | he |
| 20:30.13 | TomW | heehee |
| 20:30.35 | TomW | I write fuzzy comments, does that cound? |
| 20:30.37 | sorphin | TomW: see the conn at the bottom of: http://www.captainrock.com/~dans/P1010171.JPG |
| 20:30.40 | TomW | s/cound/count/ |
| 20:30.49 | MornWork | TomW: depends on how much you've had to drink first |
| 20:30.53 | sorphin | i need to dupe pin spacing like that for the Z connector |
| 20:31.11 | TomW | MornWork: I don't drink. ;) |
| 20:31.14 | sorphin | since the lil bit of board you see there, that i was using, is now trashed :/ |
| 20:31.20 | MornWork | TomW: maybe you should :-) |
| 20:32.11 | TomW | MornWork: naw, when I want to relax, I use sex |
| 20:32.17 | TomW | sorphin: what is that? |
| 20:32.18 | sorphin | Russ: fuse i think |
| 20:32.42 | sorphin | it bridged the + power there instead of on the other side of the board where there are 2 other traces to do it |
| 20:32.48 | sorphin | dunno why |
| 20:32.59 | sorphin | TomW: that's one side of the board inside the Z's cradle |
| 20:33.26 | TomW | sorphin: ok, nice photo |
| 20:33.48 | sorphin | http://www.captainrock.com/~dans/P1010173.JPG is the otherside, if you care |
| 20:33.55 | sorphin | anyways |
| 20:34.33 | TomW | MornWork: sorry if I embarassed you... |
| 20:34.36 | sorphin | TomW: was looking for a suggestion on the easiest way to dupe a place for a conn w/ pins that size/spacing, ken suggested smack the thing on a plain board and use 30G |
| 20:34.43 | sorphin | gauge even |
| 20:35.08 | sorphin | TomW: i'd thought about bare copper extra that i have and razorblading seperation |
| 20:35.39 | MornWork | TomW: it's ok... |
| 20:36.17 | TomW | sorphin: oh, that is FPC connectors on there right? except for the lower one. |
| 20:36.46 | sorphin | on hte 1st pic, that lower right connector |
| 20:36.59 | TomW | what do you want to do? add another connector to that board? |
| 20:37.04 | sorphin | thta's the female version of the conn i'm using, but same pin spacing, etc |
| 20:37.06 | sorphin | nono |
| 20:37.12 | sorphin | that board is long trashed |
| 20:37.20 | sorphin | i need to make something so i can use the conn i have |
| 20:37.21 | TomW | k |
| 20:37.24 | sorphin | to hook to the Z |
| 20:37.42 | sorphin | i just showed you that board so you could get an idea of the pin spacing/size |
| 20:38.25 | TomW | well, like kergoth said, maybe get some perf board material from RS, then hot-glue the connectors to the board and use 30ga. wire to interconnect them? |
| 20:38.57 | TomW | spacing looks easy to deal with, must be 0.050" pin centers? |
| 20:39.11 | sorphin | like kergoth said? *g* |
| 20:39.17 | sorphin | and i dunno, possibly |
| 20:39.34 | sorphin | TomW: i can visual solder, but easier w/ the microscope on this |
| 20:39.38 | sorphin | brings it out nice |
| 20:40.00 | TomW | yes, that is how I worked on adding the extra wire tothe webpal simm. |
| 20:40.12 | TomW | ... under the microscope. |
| 20:40.16 | sorphin | yeah |
| 20:40.22 | sorphin | still need to drill the holes on my 2 |
| 20:40.46 | sorphin | TomW: ken's dual serial board fits nicely |
| 20:41.03 | sorphin | the notch coulda used slightly better placing but it deals |
| 20:41.24 | sorphin | i only had ot touch up 2 joints |
| 20:41.35 | sorphin | not bad for SMT work w/ no visual aide |
| 20:41.43 | TomW | I haven't done anything with the webpal other than to get my own buildroot running on it. I have some compact flash integration to do on a linux controller I built some time ago. that is taking up my time lately. |
| 20:41.56 | sorphin | nod |
| 20:42.11 | TomW | getting uclinux running on that older dragonball board. |
| 20:42.17 | sorphin | yeah |
| 20:42.50 | TomW | I got it as far as panic'ing looking for init, so, I am close. at least uclinux is now booting. |
| 20:42.57 | sorphin | TomW: yeah |
| 20:43.29 | sorphin | TomW: i'm still puzzling/pondering/can't figure out how they get away w/ it |
| 20:43.34 | sorphin | about that seriaoIO cable |
| 20:43.41 | sorphin | that charges the Z from USB |
| 20:43.52 | TomW | what is this 'Z'? |
| 20:43.56 | sorphin | zaurus |
| 20:43.56 | file | Zaurus |
| 20:43.59 | TomW | k |
| 20:44.09 | sorphin | i'm lazy, sorry |
| 20:44.13 | TomW | SA1110 has a usb master inside it, right? |
| 20:44.13 | sorphin | anwyays |
| 20:44.19 | Russ | no |
| 20:44.22 | sorphin | no |
| 20:44.24 | TomW | no? |
| 20:44.26 | Russ | no |
| 20:44.27 | sorphin | slave |
| 20:44.33 | sorphin | or whatever |
| 20:44.37 | Russ | device |
| 20:44.54 | TomW | ok, they are being a slave to the PC's master USB controller. |
| 20:44.54 | sorphin | TomW: anyhoo, from what i've read |
| 20:45.10 | sorphin | max current output to a USB device |
| 20:45.14 | sorphin | is 500ma |
| 20:45.35 | sorphin | the has right on the back, 5V @ 6.2 watts |
| 20:45.48 | sorphin | if memory serves |
| 20:45.52 | TomW | hmmm, can you hook a usb ethernet up to the Z and get the Z to use it? |
| 20:46.15 | sorphin | TomW: which is 1.24A |
| 20:46.25 | sorphin | a bit above 500ma |
| 20:46.29 | sorphin | which is what worries me |
| 20:46.35 | sorphin | how they're pulling it off |
| 20:46.50 | sorphin | TomW: i haven't needed to |
| 20:46.56 | sorphin | you can do usb<->usb networking |
| 20:47.12 | sorphin | w/ just a usb cable and the right modules |
| 20:47.19 | sorphin | works fine |
| 20:47.53 | TomW | interesting, I thought that you needed a usb master somewheres to hook usb stuff together, I guess it could do a simple peer-peer (slave-slave) communications then. |
| 20:48.06 | TomW | s/thought/assumed/ |
| 20:48.14 | Russ | you do... |
| 20:48.20 | sorphin | the pc's controller |
| 20:48.26 | Russ | the cable contains two slaves |
| 20:48.30 | Russ | one for each master |
| 20:50.34 | TomW | sorphin: P=I * E |
| 20:50.43 | sorphin | right |
| 20:50.47 | sorphin | and 6.22W |
| 20:50.55 | sorphin | divided by |
| 20:50.57 | sorphin | 5V |
| 20:50.59 | sorphin | = |
| 20:51.01 | sorphin | 1.24A |
| 20:51.02 | TomW | sorphin: 0.5 amps X 5 volts == 2.5 watts |
| 20:51.03 | sorphin | :P |
| 20:51.16 | sorphin | TomW: uh.. no kidding |
| 20:51.26 | sorphin | i know ohms law |
| 20:51.47 | TomW | just confused, you said something about 500ma before. |
| 20:51.53 | sorphin | TomW: what is stopping my brain is how they're pulling 1.24A |
| 20:52.05 | sorphin | when usb is supposed to limit at 500ma |
| 20:52.14 | TomW | sorphin: it may be peak current instead of continuous? |
| 20:52.46 | sorphin | then the Z only charges on peak current |
| 20:54.17 | TomW | you wouldn't have to charge a battery at a peak current to get it to take a charge, you can trickle charge most cells. |
| 20:55.15 | TomW | if the usb connector is current limited to 500ma, it would mean that a battery that could accept 1200ma to charge (fast charge) could do so at the lower rate, it would just take longer to peak it off. |
| 20:55.56 | sorphin | hmm |
| 20:56.16 | TomW | sorphin: how do you figure that they are pulling 1200ma? did you put a ammeter in the charging voltage and measured it? |
| 20:56.26 | sorphin | TomW: no, did the math |
| 20:56.34 | sorphin | TomW: on the back of the Z |
| 20:56.42 | sorphin | it has the ratings for running on battery |
| 20:56.45 | sorphin | vs the AC adapter |
| 20:56.53 | sorphin | and w/ the AC |
| 20:56.53 | TomW | ideal != real world. |
| 20:57.02 | sorphin | it's 5V @ 6.2watts |
| 20:57.13 | sorphin | battery is 3V @ i forget |
| 20:59.58 | TomW | I don't know the charging parameters on Lithium cells, so I really cannot say. Most batteries I have knowledge of are usually charged at a somewhat higher voltage than there nominal voltage (gets current flowing into the cell). |
| 21:00.28 | TomW | sorphin: they could be using a switching regulator to break the 5v down to 3.3v. |
| 21:02.31 | TomW | sorphin: is the A/C adaptor voltage regulated DC, or is it an A/C supply output, or is it a simple diode rectified output followd by a filter cap? |
| 21:06.07 | TomW | sorphin: something to keep in mind: I can build a voltage regulator followed by a variable current limiter that would feed a cell at a specified volage but limit the current flow into the cell being charged so that it doesn't starve itself if the source to the regulator is a low current supply. |
| 21:07.44 | TomW | sorphin: just because the wall supply may be higher current (wattage) output doesn't necessarily mean that a lower current suppy cannot be used to charge the cell. It all depends on the internal charging ciruit of the Z. |
| 21:08.02 | TomW | sorphin: e.g. trickle charge. |
| 21:16.52 | sorphin | TomW: the actual AC adapter is 5VDC @ 2A |
| 21:18.17 | TomW | like I said, it may take only 20 mins to recharge with the a/c adaptor (fast charge) and would take you perhaps 180 mins to recharge via the usb |
| 21:18.32 | sorphin | nod |
| 21:18.33 | sorphin | k |
| 21:18.56 | TomW | sorphin: works like your HT |
| 21:19.45 | sorphin | TomW: heh, speaking of HTs, finally got my 1st damn catalog yesterday :P all the time i've had the license |
| 21:20.12 | signal11 | HT? |
| 21:20.25 | TomW | sorphin: yeah, I don't get them anymore, they found out I wasn't going to spend a lot of money on radios. |
| 21:20.42 | sorphin | signal11: ham radio, Handheld |
| 21:20.45 | TomW | signal11: Handie-Talkie, motorola slang |
| 21:20.50 | signal11 | ah, cool |
| 21:21.15 | sorphin | TomW: turns out the guy i bought the scope manuals from is a ham, least according to his emails, has his call |
| 21:21.29 | sorphin | N8AZV |
| 21:21.39 | TomW | signal11: keeps down the confusion between a walkie-talkie vs. handy-talkie. |
| 21:22.17 | signal11 | i see. i thought you meant Home Theater, which was confusing given the current conversation |
| 21:22.18 | TomW | sorphin: I find that a lot of hams are doing linux these days |
| 21:22.28 | TomW | signal11: gah! |
| 21:22.44 | signal11 | heh |
| 21:23.40 | TomW | another "growth industry", convincing people not to go to a cinema to view movies: "you can stay at home, isolate yourself from people, and get the latest movies". |
| 21:24.04 | TomW | I'd rather go to the cinema an see the show outside the show. |
| 21:24.26 | TomW | getting cold in here, I should shut the door. |
| 21:24.32 | sorphin | TomW: thanks for the brain rattler |
| 21:25.24 | signal11 | both are fun. with a newborn, we don't get to go out to movies much |
| 21:25.33 | TomW | sorphin: yeah, didn't even need to use a dead fish for that either. |
| 21:25.48 | signal11 | well he's 6 months. not a newborn anymore eh |
| 21:26.16 | TomW | signal11: what are you? polite? don't other people take their newborns to the cinema just to piss everyone else off? |
| 21:26.18 | TomW | :) |
| 21:26.31 | TomW | heh |
| 21:26.35 | signal11 | in utah, yes |
| 21:26.47 | TomW | oh, ok |
| 21:26.59 | signal11 | there are always kids, even at R movies |
| 21:27.19 | TomW | We have too many people from New York that moved into this area of Pennsylvania |
| 21:27.55 | TomW | their culture seems to be a lot differnt than ours... |
| 21:28.47 | TomW | like the idiot that parallel parked 6 inches from my driver's side door... |
| 21:44.21 | glytchbinary | any of you use view cvs? |
| 21:44.30 | glytchbinary | well i know someone does |
| 21:44.54 | glytchbinary | my enscript coloring isn't working. did you guys have do do anything special? |
| 21:45.09 | glytchbinary | on the tux screen cvs its syntax colored |
| 21:49.03 | glytchbinary | nm |
| 22:17.34 | glytchbinary | chouimat: do you want the dreamcast, or should i start operating on it |
| 22:28.50 | chouimat | glytchbinary: didn't have time to think about it yet ... too busy this weekend |
| 22:29.29 | glytchbinary | let me know |
| 22:29.41 | chouimat | ok |
| 22:54.48 | file | glytchbinary: I could take it... |
| 22:55.09 | glytchbinary | chouimat might |
| 22:55.13 | file | I know |
| 22:55.30 | file | it t'was a joke |
| 22:55.30 | glytchbinary | are you in the us? |
| 22:55.30 | file | nope |
| 22:55.40 | file | unless you count Canada as part of the US |
| 22:56.47 | glytchbinary | well if chouimat|away doesn't want it, you can have it |
| 22:57.19 | file | nifty. |
| 22:57.53 | file | glytchbinary: what would shipping be? |
| 22:57.58 | glytchbinary | file no idea, |
| 22:58.02 | glytchbinary | i'm in rowlett texas |
| 22:58.05 | glytchbinary | zipcode 75088 |
| 22:58.09 | glytchbinary | find out (: |
| 22:58.25 | file | well if I don't know what it weighs, kind of hard :) |
| 22:59.41 | glytchbinary | i figured that out last week for chouimat, you can find the info on the internet |
| 23:00.43 | file | plus I'm buying a router, and I'm sending some $$$ to chouimat|away |
| 23:01.19 | *** join/#elinux andin (~ay@198.193-200-80.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 23:01.42 | andin | hiyas |
| 23:01.59 | file | hey andin |
| 23:03.11 | andin | got a 0.5G flashcard under tux. works perfectly :) but now fighting with RAM... anyone used a 32M SODIMM ? |
| 23:03.47 | andin | it gets recognized as 8m. same as in one of the posts of TimRiker. |
| 23:09.25 | sorphin | TomW: did you say something about a dead fish? ;) |
| 23:09.28 | sorphin | ~fishslap tomw |
| 23:09.29 | | ACTION slaps tomw up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 23:17.38 | andin | heh. well funny thing that inferno recognizes it just fine.. well then back to hacking :) |
| 23:24.04 | *** part/#elinux Rocinante (~Rocinante@66.62.50.212) |
| 23:39.51 | *** join/#elinux prpplague (~joe123@mail.dunnlum.com) |
| 23:46.29 | chouimat|food | hey prpplague |
| 23:50.36 | prpplague | chouimat|food: hey |
| 23:50.58 | prpplague | chouimat|food: fun fun, sever going live today went pretty smooth |
| 23:51.23 | chouimat|food | prpplague: ok I'm currently enjoying a good beer |
| 23:52.28 | prpplague | chouimat|food: bastard |
| 23:52.47 | prpplague | chouimat|food: i'ved got a few hours of week before i hit a good little pub |
| 23:53.24 | chouimat|food | prpplague: a nice Boreal Noire |
| 23:54.47 | prpplague | chouimat|food: fun |
| 23:56.09 | chouimat|food | prpplague: yup nice local stout ... |
