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| 00:22.51 | Russ | homepage: "Ranked #3 in price competativeness" |
| 00:24.48 | andersee | Russ: ??? |
| 00:25.04 | Russ | fciconnect.com |
| 00:25.49 | CosmicPenguin | Argh! Stupid corporate idiots |
| 00:25.57 | CosmicPenguin | And an extra arg for the damn SD consortium |
| 00:26.29 | Russ | or was that commcon |
| 00:35.02 | Russ | oh my god... |
| 00:35.14 | Russ | a data sheet for a through hole usb connector actualy says that its |
| 00:35.26 | Russ | "Compatible with Windows 98, NT, 2000 +" |
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| 01:02.28 | file | chouimat: wb |
| 01:02.34 | chouimat | hi file |
| 01:02.58 | file | what's up? |
| 01:03.36 | chouimat | file: my main box just crashed |
| 01:04.03 | file | chouimat: oh my, bad day. |
| 01:04.27 | chouimat | file: not so bad |
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| 02:34.38 | chouimat|out | hi tim |
| 02:50.10 | chouimat | TimRiker: ok |
| 02:51.13 | andersee | TimRiker: probably written in openoffice though... |
| 02:53.57 | TimRiker | strings shows Microsoft Word 8.0 |
| 02:56.02 | chouimat | TimRiker: I hate that when you apply for a unix job and you must send your resume in word 8 format |
| 03:01.58 | chouimat | TimRiker: /me sent you a pdf resume :) |
| 03:03.55 | chouimat | TimRiker: I spent the afternoon with a lawyer ... |
| 03:09.02 | chouimat | Neonym: I'm not sure if I must comment that one .... I learned that one of my customers filled for bankrupty and since I was developping something for him ... |
| 03:28.30 | Neonym | sorry... my wife is an employment lawyer |
| 03:29.28 | TimRiker | and andersee's dad is a laywer (so we learn from lkml) |
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| 04:07.31 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 13:19.41 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:43.41 | file | hi |
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| 14:10.03 | chouimat | hi cp |
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| 14:15.58 | chouimat | hi tim |
| 14:17.32 | CosmicPenguin | Hello |
| 14:17.56 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: do you read today userfriendly? |
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| 14:18.58 | sorphin | lo |
| 14:19.04 | chouimat | hey sorphin sieve |
| 14:19.20 | sieve | morning all |
| 14:19.24 | sieve | morning chouimat |
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| 14:24.59 | chouimat | sieve: prpplague still away? |
| 14:25.41 | file | chouimat: what are some big audio companies in Canada? |
| 14:26.58 | chouimat | file: as in record co? |
| 14:27.26 | file | chouimat: car audio |
| 14:27.42 | chouimat | file: don't know doesn't have a car |
| 14:29.09 | sorphin | i fear for the country that lets file drive :P |
| 14:29.23 | chouimat | sorphin: hehe |
| 14:30.07 | kergoth`bbl | morning |
| 14:30.19 | chouimat | shit! I'm ready to go out do some errands and now it's raining hard |
| 14:30.28 | chouimat | Morning kergoth |
| 14:31.27 | sorphin | chouimat: heh, i drove thorugh much rain yesterday, and got hailed on not so nicely |
| 14:31.54 | chouimat | sorphin: /me have no car |
| 14:32.03 | sorphin | kergoth: ah, i love a 3 day week ;) |
| 14:32.17 | sorphin | chouimat: well, considering the distance covered, a car was kinda necessary :P |
| 14:32.59 | sorphin | chouimat: because they're scared of your part of town? |
| 14:33.18 | chouimat | sorphin: probably ... or the are near the uuniversity :) |
| 14:33.28 | sorphin | nod |
| 14:33.39 | file | chouimat: errands? you mean... what I think you mean? |
| 14:34.04 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:34.08 | file | lol |
| 14:34.11 | kergoth | i woke up this morning not knowing what day it is |
| 14:34.17 | kergoth | I need a watch |
| 14:34.32 | sorphin | kergoth: for me it's monday, tomorrow's wednesday, and friday's friday |
| 14:34.42 | kergoth | sorphin: bastard |
| 14:34.52 | sorphin | kergoth: it's called vacation time, bitch ;P |
| 14:35.00 | chouimat | kergoth: by the way I got oe somewhat working on my dc |
| 14:35.58 | kergoth | chouimat: nice |
| 14:36.08 | chouimat | file: the hdd will send tomorrow today too much rain .... I don't see the other side of the street |
| 14:36.41 | file | chouimat: there's always later |
| 14:38.41 | chouimat | file: ok I will do it today but I can't garanty the box being waterproof |
| 14:39.19 | file | chouimat: put it under your coat! |
| 14:39.35 | chouimat|phone | bbl |
| 14:39.46 | file | phone is evil |
| 14:40.26 | chouimat|phone | file: I must call every co to tell them I'm moving :( |
| 14:41.16 | file | aren't they on the... internet? |
| 14:41.29 | chouimat|phone | file: I prefer on the phone |
| 14:41.50 | chouimat|phone | that way I will speak with some one today :) |
| 14:42.10 | file | hehe |
| 14:58.16 | chouimat|phone | this is just too long |
| 14:59.25 | sieve | chouimat|phone: sorry about the late reply... He will probably be there until Tuesday |
| 15:00.08 | chouimat|phone | sieve: ok ... I'm on hold for atleast 10 minutes f******* phone co |
| 15:09.04 | sieve | chouimat|phone: don't get me started about the telco's..... |
| 15:11.07 | chouimat|phone | sieve: ok done ... and I also learned that I will have full speed for adsl |
| 15:12.15 | chouimat|phone | now Electric co |
| 15:14.27 | chouimat|phone | wow that was fast |
| 15:19.01 | chouimat|phone | I can have 3Mb/s adsl at my mother house!!!! |
| 15:19.18 | sorphin | nod |
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| 15:32.05 | DCipher | mornin' all |
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| 15:32.34 | Rocinante | signal11_: You there? |
| 15:32.39 | signal11_ | yeah |
| 15:32.41 | signal11_ | whats up |
| 15:33.05 | Rocinante | if I have a host that I added an additional alias, how do I push that out to |
| 15:33.08 | Rocinante | the named server? |
| 15:34.55 | Neonym | I assume you're running BIND? |
| 15:34.55 | DCipher | wondering if anyone can offer advice on databases for our embedded product... |
| 15:35.20 | Rocinante | yes....standard named services (bind 8) on linux RH 7.3 |
| 15:35.23 | Neonym | doesn't mysql have an embedded versino? |
| 15:35.32 | DCipher | yes, but > memory footprint |
| 15:36.07 | Neonym | Rocinante, you simply edit the zone files on the nameserver... there's no connection between your host and named.... you have to tell named explicitly what's going on in its configuratino and zone files. |
| 15:36.09 | DCipher | their embedded version is a C++ api |
| 15:36.34 | Neonym | that's the only one I know of..... except for sleepycat or gdbm.... |
| 15:36.38 | file | chouimat: the hardrive is much appreciated. |
| 15:36.39 | DCipher | just looking for something that I can run on an arm |
| 15:37.00 | DCipher | ever used sleepycat? |
| 15:37.27 | kergoth | DCipher: look into sqlite |
| 15:37.30 | Neonym | not really... the licenses bug me.... I either use mysql or gdbm.... |
| 15:37.35 | kergoth | DCipher: uses a flatfile, but has sql syntax for queries |
| 15:37.38 | kergoth | DCipher: very nice |
| 15:37.49 | DCipher | c api? |
| 15:38.02 | kergoth | yeah, but i know of at least 2 c++ wrapper interfaces |
| 15:38.09 | kergoth | quite a few qtopia developers make use of it |
| 15:38.26 | Rocinante | thanks....Outside of a master and file path anything else needed in that zone? |
| 15:38.31 | DCipher | thanks |
| 15:38.51 | DCipher | i'm trying to develop an ASP app using the GoAhead web server |
| 15:38.59 | Neonym | Rocinate, not really.... you'll have to populate the zone of course.... |
| 15:39.02 | DCipher | or possibly using php under apache |
| 15:44.55 | Rocinante | thanks... |
| 15:45.33 | CosmicPenguin | How sad is it that the topic of the last Salt Lake Linux Users Group was "Installing BSD"? |
| 15:45.55 | file | CosmicPenguin: O.o |
| 15:56.06 | kergoth | sorphin: for embedded? overkill |
| 15:56.10 | sorphin | kergoth: fyi, so does Perl DBD::CSV which is what i use for the crap here |
| 15:56.23 | sorphin | for the IP database |
| 15:58.54 | DCipher | what's the IP db of postgre? |
| 16:18.46 | chouimat | http://www.powergenitalia.com/ <--- not porn ... just an example of bad naming |
| 16:18.53 | sorphin | ummmm |
| 16:18.59 | sorphin | suuuuuuure mat, suuuure |
| 16:19.17 | chouimat | sorphin: it's powergen's italian site |
| 16:19.25 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:19.40 | sorphin | chouimat: then they shoulda used italian and not italia :P |
| 16:20.41 | chouimat | sorphin: hehe |
| 16:23.05 | CosmicPenguin | Well, since Italian doesn't mean anything Italian, that would be a pretty stupid name, now wouldn't it? |
| 16:23.25 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:23.40 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: better than power genitalia :P |
| 16:24.29 | chouimat | sorphin: very very bad naming |
| 16:25.03 | CosmicPenguin | Memorable, though.... |
| 16:25.14 | chouimat | hehe |
| 16:27.22 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: uh.. i sure as hell won't be remembering it :P |
| 16:27.46 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: lart anyone who uses LoTR names as the name of their project |
| 16:29.09 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: what I like that .... the Frodo Project :) |
| 16:32.17 | paq_ | heh.. that power genitalia even has the AT&T's gonad logo... |
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| 16:37.24 | chouimat | hi tomw |
| 16:37.33 | TomW | hello |
| 16:46.01 | sorphin | aftermornin gramps |
| 16:48.15 | jnork | heh |
| 16:48.22 | jnork | Hello all. |
| 16:48.34 | TomW | sorphin: good morning |
| 16:51.59 | sorphin | TomW: whats up? |
| 16:53.35 | TomW | sorphin: just planning out how I will build an RS232 capture device using a Tux CPU board. |
| 16:54.28 | TomW | sorphin: I have three Fire Panel programs that I will be releasing over the next 2 months and two of them I expect to have initial problems with (poor / missing documentation). |
| 16:55.32 | TomW | sorphin: so, I need to build a box that will connect to the second serial port of my controller and record the ascii data streams of the data passing between my controller and the Fire Panel. |
| 16:57.12 | TomW | sorphin: then, we can send the end-customer the box, they record the data and capture any unexpected data for us. They can either send the box back to me for a post mortem, or, plug in a 28.8kbps PCMCIA modem and let the box "call home" to dump the necessary capture data onto my system here. |
| 16:57.43 | chouimat | TomW: cooll |
| 16:58.38 | TomW | I think that the box will have to have an LCD on it (full VGA) and a touch screen so that it can be configured in the field / controlled in the field: e.g. "call home now". |
| 16:59.25 | chouimat | TomW: we are doing something like that but with a palm |
| 16:59.43 | TomW | chouimat: I thought of that, but, ... |
| 17:00.11 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: wouldn't a cheap x86 SBC be easier? |
| 17:00.31 | TomW | chouimat: I also want to demonstrate my mastery of LCD & TS to _my_ customer. Not use something like a PDA which would be someone else's technology. |
| 17:00.33 | chouimat | TomW: the palm iss not plug in permanence ... the palm is used as a service tool |
| 17:01.04 | chouimat | TomW: hehe |
| 17:01.18 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: no, I want to work more with ARM and the challenges associated with doing X / LCD on that platform. |
| 17:02.28 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: there is the possibility that I can sell them on an embedded ARM processor in the front panel of their main system to control a VGA color LCD. |
| 17:02.59 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: they like to "own" their designs, not incorporate other's boards into their unit. |
| 17:03.35 | jnork | Hah. |
| 17:03.39 | TomW | I'll embed linux into one of their products yet! :P |
| 17:04.15 | chouimat|away | lol |
| 17:04.22 | TomW | :D |
| 17:04.39 | TomW | method to my madness |
| 17:04.50 | jnork | I was talking to one of my former collegues recently about the custom designs they do for all their products. I pitched him a concept built on all off-the-shelf stuff, only enough custom hardware as absolutely necessary, and some Linux or BSD to run it. |
| 17:05.01 | jnork | Unfortunately, he's not the guy who has to be convinced... |
| 17:05.23 | jnork | He's already proposed something similar. |
| 17:05.31 | sorphin | jnork,TomW: either of you saw that thing on /. the other day w/ a guy that made his own cpu? |
| 17:05.50 | jnork | That company is losing money right now, and they've got competitors leaving them behind in the dust. |
| 17:05.55 | jnork | Nope. |
| 17:05.59 | jnork | Why? |
| 17:06.07 | TomW | jnork: yeah, well, some company owners want to build up their proprietary portfolio of designs, so that they have a technology that can be purchased by another company (the owner wants to sell the company). |
| 17:06.14 | sorphin | jnork: just thought it was neat |
| 17:06.20 | jnork | TomW: Oh yecch. |
| 17:06.27 | TomW | sorphin: no |
| 17:06.37 | jnork | sorphin: I'll have to tell you sometime about the computer my Dad and I never built. When I was a kid. |
| 17:06.52 | jnork | It would have been dumb, but fast. :) |
| 17:06.53 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:07.04 | sorphin | well, this guy actually made the thing |
| 17:07.12 | sorphin | not just thought about it |
| 17:07.28 | jnork | Yeah. Dad did the design, and we had the boards. I was just not motivated enough to do the grunt work at the time. |
| 17:07.58 | jnork | Keeping in mind that my father used to be a hardware engineer for Burroughs. |
| 17:08.55 | sorphin | jnork: which tells me nothing ;) |
| 17:08.55 | chouimat|away | file: I will send you the hd tomorrow, I forgot to wipe it |
| 17:09.11 | jnork | sorphin: Ever hear of Unisys? |
| 17:09.15 | sorphin | chouimat|away: bet it smells then :P |
| 17:09.21 | chouimat|away | sorphin: hehe |
| 17:09.22 | sorphin | jnork: Unfortunately. |
| 17:09.42 | jnork | This was before Burroughs and Univac combined. |
| 17:10.18 | sorphin | jnork: remember that's before my time ;) |
| 17:10.24 | jnork | Yes. |
| 17:10.43 | jnork | You could still have heard of them. It's not like it's a big secret or anything. :) |
| 17:11.33 | chouimat|away | sorphin: i like that command: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad2 |
| 17:11.49 | sorphin | chouimat|away: ummm... /dev/ad2 eh? :P |
| 17:12.23 | chouimat|away | sorphin: that computer was off |
| 17:12.27 | sorphin | jnork: well, Univac rings a bell, Burroughs doesn't really, and Unisys, any geek that hasn't heard of Unisys isn't really a geek |
| 17:12.42 | sorphin | chouimat|away: no.. you're off :P |
| 17:13.20 | jnork | Well, my father worked for Unisys before it was Unisys, back when it was a real computer company. :) |
| 17:13.33 | sorphin | jnork: heh |
| 17:14.02 | jnork | Well, I guess technically it was TWO real computer companies. :) |
| 17:14.10 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah, but you head of Unisys for all the wrong reasons |
| 17:14.23 | CosmicPenguin | jnork is right - back in the day, they were *the* company |
| 17:14.57 | file | chouimat|away: k |
| 17:14.58 | CosmicPenguin | I used to work with a group of people that got laid off en-mass by Unisys and were recruited by Cabletron |
| 17:15.08 | CosmicPenguin | Buncha old guys - but they were good |
| 17:15.10 | jnork | IBM was *the* company. But they were all marketing and hype. Univac was one of the biggest non-IBM players. Burroughs was smaller but had a lot of good stuff. |
| 17:15.43 | sorphin | TomW: soo.. old man.. any tips for taking this tiff file i have here and slamming it to gerberish/drill files, i think i've decided to maybe use run.to/pcb/ (still havent' decided tho).. getting the etchant (unless i wanna use FeCL), is annoying, i suddenly have no time, ah well.. so i now have a nice sized sheet of double sided copper and press&peel i may not even be using... |
| 17:15.44 | jnork | Most of the innovation was NOT done by IBM. :) |
| 17:16.12 | sorphin | jnork: heh, so what made Unisuck^H^H^H^Hsys what htey are today? :P |
| 17:16.48 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: cheap Unix hardware killed Unisys |
| 17:17.33 | jnork | The market has really changed. IBM is completely different from what it was. |
| 17:17.56 | TomW | sorphin: no, you cannot take a graphic file and produce a gerber. A gerber is similar to a postscript file, it is a description of the board. The gerber is filled with a set of commands of MoveToXY, Select Aperature and DrawToXy commands |
| 17:18.03 | sorphin | jnork: you mean not being a buncha guys in suits singing company songs? :P |
| 17:18.14 | sorphin | TomW: i didn't mean it like THAT :P |
| 17:18.18 | jnork | It's a VERY strange feeling for me to be rooting for IBM in an IP suit. Jesus, we used to consider IBM the bad guys. |
| 17:18.19 | TomW | ? |
| 17:18.48 | CosmicPenguin | When did we consider IBM the bad guys? |
| 17:18.51 | sorphin | like some conversion tool, I meant recreating it easier in some other pcb prog, since i've barely used one :P |
| 17:19.06 | sorphin | speaking of IBM, SCO, etc |
| 17:19.15 | sorphin | i assume you all saw the latest yesterday or such? |
| 17:19.28 | sorphin | that SCO actually stole linux code? ;) |
| 17:19.45 | sorphin | TomW: CP's younger than me |
| 17:19.51 | TomW | yup |
| 17:20.29 | sorphin | TomW: so what do you use? run.to/pcb/ will take a tiff, tho they don't really prefer it ;) |
| 17:20.32 | TomW | IBM was very close mouthed about everything in their product line, even the pinouts of their printer interfaces! |
| 17:20.48 | TomW | sorphin: tiff won't work |
| 17:21.11 | sorphin | TomW: ummm |
| 17:21.26 | sorphin | TomW: it will for just the layouts, not the drilling :P |
| 17:21.31 | TomW | sorphin: the PCB houses use Gerber format. They have specialized manufacturing software based upon Gerber. |
| 17:21.36 | sorphin | TomW: it's on hteir list of formats they'll accept |
| 17:21.40 | sorphin | :P |
| 17:21.54 | jnork | EBCDIC. Extended Binary Coded Decimal Interchange Code. |
| 17:22.05 | TomW | they also accept AutoCAD DXF files too... |
| 17:23.03 | jnork | CosmicPenguin: Back in the mainframe days, IBM was the biggest player, and they got into a lot of trouble about monopolies and intellectual property and so on. |
| 17:23.09 | sorphin | TomW: fyi: |
| 17:23.10 | sorphin | For Top, Bottom, Solder Mask and Component print layers: |
| 17:23.11 | sorphin | RS274-X or 274-D (must add apertures file). Any aperture sizes acceptable. |
| 17:23.11 | sorphin | EPS - Encapsulated Postscript format (not preffered) |
| 17:23.11 | sorphin | PS,PRN - Postscript interpreted format (not preffered) |
| 17:23.11 | sorphin | DXF - Autocad format (not preffered) |
| 17:23.12 | sorphin | BMP,TIFF,GIF,PCX - pucture format (not preffered) |
| 17:23.12 | jnork | If anybody understands IP issues, it's IBM. |
| 17:23.14 | sorphin | For NC drill file: |
| 17:23.16 | sorphin | EXCELLON or S&M drill format |
| 17:23.25 | sorphin | s/pucture/picture/ tho |
| 17:23.41 | sorphin | they'll take it, just don't prefer it |
| 17:24.36 | sorphin | anyways, this is why i'm torn.. because i don't wanna have to go through trying to redraw this damn thing from the tiff/expresspcb file |
| 17:24.46 | sorphin | and since no one has a damn converter |
| 17:25.30 | chouimat|away | TomW: want to see an example of bad naming? www.powergenitalia.com |
| 17:25.37 | sorphin | jnork: basically, what' i'm seeing now, is the shoe's actually on the other foot |
| 17:25.51 | sorphin | sco is hte one that ripped off code, that's why it has the same comments, etc :P |
| 17:26.11 | sorphin | cuz i doubt original sysv code has real comments :P i've used SYSV (real sysv while at AT&T).. |
| 17:26.20 | jnork | sorphin: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. All of a sudden IBM is the good guy. Cognitive dissonance. |
| 17:26.42 | chouimat|away | sco want to be bought |
| 17:26.48 | sorphin | i know |
| 17:26.54 | sorphin | they don't seem to realize |
| 17:26.58 | sorphin | a) no one wants them |
| 17:27.03 | sorphin | b) they have nothing to offer |
| 17:27.08 | sorphin | c) if you awnna be bought |
| 17:27.23 | sorphin | this is NOT how you entice people to buy you by threatening them |
| 17:27.56 | chouimat|away | sorphin: there are rumors for years that IBM will buy Novell too |
| 17:27.58 | jnork | SCO is being stupid. |
| 17:28.11 | sorphin | jnork: s/being// |
| 17:28.32 | chouimat|away | ok I really need to go |
| 17:28.43 | jnork | Later. |
| 17:28.44 | sorphin | chouimat|away: then go |
| 17:29.42 | jnork | afk, doing some job hunt stuff. |
| 17:30.17 | chouimat|away | sorphin: I'm waiting for a compile too finish first |
| 17:31.52 | TomW | sorphin: sorry, was on the phone with a customer. |
| 17:35.19 | TomW | sorphin: I have always drawn my schematics & PCBs from a PCB package (OrCad, Tango, EagleCAD) and had used these packages with the press-n-peel to build boards with. The idea was that if I built something that I would later want a professional board made for it, it was a simple matter to generate the Gerbers instead of printing it to the press-n-peel. |
| 17:35.54 | TomW | sorphin: ... in other words: "you get burned, you learn". :/ |
| 17:36.19 | sorphin | TomW: but you said you haven't made your own board in years :P |
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| 17:36.43 | sorphin | uh oh, it's mr andersen |
| 17:36.49 | TomW | couple of years, yes. I still have the press-n-peel stuff, but no longer have the time to fuss with it. |
| 17:37.09 | TomW | even for simple stuff, today, I send it out. |
| 17:49.03 | TomW | sorphin: so, go with APCircuits, they give a quick turn on boards. |
| 17:49.16 | sorphin | ? |
| 17:50.29 | TomW | sorphin: you may have to solder wick the SMT pads clean to remove the reflow tinning, but, they do fairly good work. No silk / solder mask for their proto1 service, but they are quick & cheap. http://www.apcircuits.com |
| 17:51.01 | sorphin | this isn't smt, so no worries bout that ;) |
| 17:52.56 | TomW | For my money, I spend the extra $ and usually go with Advanced Circuits: http://www.4pcb.com . They do a really professional job; silk screen, solder mask, irregular cutouts (slots) and even will do gold plating on their protos. |
| 17:53.47 | sorphin | nod |
| 17:55.37 | TomW | I had a CPU card that was in here for some circuity redesign last year. I charged them big $ to do the work. Part of the job was to produce a working prototype, so, since it was a plugin card, I had Advanced do the boards for me and gold plate the edge connector fingers. IMO, the customer was less likely to resent the cost of the work if I sent them something that looked like a finished product. |
| 17:56.13 | sorphin | nod |
| 17:56.32 | chouimat|away | file: your package is away |
| 17:57.50 | chouimat|away | TomW: hehe ... I think I had some fun with the tape :) |
| 17:57.54 | TomW | chouimat|away: did you get a tracking number for file's package? |
| 17:57.55 | file | chouimat|away: lol |
| 17:58.37 | chouimat|away | TomW: I'm going to post it right now and go buy plane tickets |
| 18:01.34 | file | chouimat|away: and how was it sent out oh french one. |
| 18:01.47 | chouimat|away | file: parcel post canada |
| 18:02.18 | chouimat|away | ok i'm off to the postoffice |
| 18:02.36 | file | have fun |
| 18:02.39 | file | don't let the postmaster bite |
| 18:02.43 | file | they're contagious |
| 18:02.45 | sorphin | file: aka you'll get it 6 months from now |
| 18:02.57 | file | sorphin: no actually it's pretty fast |
| 18:03.32 | sorphin | nod |
| 18:04.25 | sorphin | file: i just had the base returned to me that i was shipping back for hte microscope the pother day due to customs claiming there was no form, heh, so i go outta town, i get back last night and they left me a note they found the damn form (that they forgot to attach :P ) and reshipped it for me |
| 18:04.27 | sorphin | morons |
| 18:04.39 | file | lol |
| 18:05.32 | sorphin | the postoffice that is |
| 18:05.47 | sorphin | i'm actually surprised they did, heh |
| 18:06.06 | file | the post office sent me a letter once saying I was stupid and attached the wrong sticker and stuff to my letter |
| 18:06.17 | file | when the lady at the post office was the one who got the sticker/put it on |
| 18:07.55 | sorphin | yeah |
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| 18:10.12 | paq | hey guys |
| 18:10.45 | TomW | BAH! More rain... again |
| 18:13.12 | sorphin | TomW: i drove through tons of rain yesterday and major hail :P |
| 18:14.00 | TomW | Well, I shouldn't complain too much about the rain, at least my electric bill is lower as I don't have to run the air conditioner, yet. |
| 18:14.57 | sorphin | nod |
| 18:15.33 | sorphin | TomW: so... of eagle, orcad and.. whatever that other was, which is your preference? |
| 18:16.52 | TomW | Eagle: runs under linux, only costs $800 for the schematic + layout modules (you really don't need an autorouter). |
| 18:17.07 | sorphin | umm |
| 18:17.31 | TomW | good tools cost money. |
| 18:17.33 | sorphin | doesn't cost me $800 (even legit :P ), and i was asking preference, not prices ;) |
| 18:19.12 | TomW | sorphin: sure, I would like to have something like ProTel or OrCad, but I just don't happen to have $6K laying around to spend on one peice of software. Hence, cost was a major concern when looking at packages. I did have the preference that it run under linux and OrCad (etc.) run only on windoze. |
| 18:19.59 | TomW | Eagle's library support is still clumsy, they improved things quite a bit in their last version (4) but it still can be better. |
| 18:20.08 | sorphin | TomW: so, after weeding through all you just said, you use Eagle then :P |
| 18:20.19 | TomW | yup |
| 18:20.22 | sorphin | nod |
| 18:20.29 | sorphin | it's big |
| 18:20.32 | sorphin | and bulky |
| 18:20.41 | sorphin | and takes to long to navigate |
| 18:21.08 | TomW | Eagle can be quirky, but then, I have not found a layout package that isn't. |
| 18:21.36 | sorphin | nod |
| 18:22.32 | sorphin | heh, eagle light would work, if their damn board size wasn't 4"x3.2" (i need 5x3 :P ) |
| 18:22.36 | TomW | I need to find a supplier of 2.54mm SMT headers & recepticles. Someone that I can mail order 25 or so peices.. |
| 18:24.47 | sorphin | nod |
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| 18:39.43 | sorphin | TimRiker: re |
| 18:47.27 | sorphin | Russ: so you've said |
| 18:47.56 | sorphin | Russ: run.to looks ok except for their shipping charges and/or wait time for air mail :P |
| 18:48.13 | Russ | wait time doesn't bother me |
| 18:48.36 | file | it makes me go insane |
| 18:50.57 | sorphin | Russ: heh, well, i'd rather not wait a month :P it's bad enough when i've had to do that for stuff before :P |
| 19:03.24 | sorphin | Russ: btw, i remember you said you wanted to see 'screenshots' of my pulloffs from expresspcb? |
| 19:07.02 | Russ | ya |
| 19:07.13 | Russ | a month gives you time to get parts |
| 19:07.32 | sorphin | Russ: i already have all the parts |
| 19:10.01 | sorphin | Russ: still wanting to see the shots? |
| 19:10.08 | Russ | ya |
| 19:10.26 | sorphin | k |
| 19:12.08 | Russ | hahha |
| 19:12.43 | jnork | I have yet to meet a sugar substitute that I don't hate. |
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| 19:14.46 | Russ | diet dr pepper tastes nothing like dr pepper |
| 19:15.01 | Russ | personally, I don't like how it tastes |
| 19:15.13 | jnork | Which one? |
| 19:15.18 | kergoth | prpplague: hey dave, how goes it |
| 19:15.25 | sorphin | prpplague: and there's mr stinky |
| 19:16.49 | prpplague | sorphin: thats me, and sweaty too today |
| 19:16.51 | prpplague | kergoth: howdy |
| 19:17.05 | prpplague | kergoth: not too bad, just cleaning up the mess down here |
| 19:17.08 | sorphin | prpplague: that 200.x.x.x addr doesn't look US.. where'd they ship you off to now? |
| 19:17.10 | prpplague | kergoth: you? |
| 19:17.16 | prpplague | sorphin: barbados |
| 19:17.23 | sorphin | prpplague: again? heh |
| 19:17.29 | sorphin | prpplague: you're just mr tropical |
| 19:17.38 | kergoth | prpplague: pretty good. still no cube, but ah well |
| 19:17.48 | prpplague | sorphin: ya some yahoo was working the generator and smoked the IT room |
| 19:18.02 | prpplague | kergoth: ya gonna make it to OLS? |
| 19:18.22 | kergoth | prpplague: probably not |
| 19:18.29 | prpplague | kergoth: :( |
| 19:18.40 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: lemme guess, hot and humid? |
| 19:18.48 | prpplague | kergoth: started diggin into the OMAP yet? |
| 19:18.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya |
| 19:19.02 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: that reminds me... I was looking at all the POS stations in the Bahamas for your company logo, but I never saw any... :( |
| 19:19.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 19:19.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya most of our stuff is at the places locals shop not the tourists |
| 19:19.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you went to nassau right? |
| 19:19.40 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I was actually surprised how many stores had a POS setups |
| 19:19.51 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: right, Nassau |
| 19:20.46 | file | uh oh - they just sprayed the lawn with weed control stuff |
| 19:21.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we have Kelly's department store, Costrite, Solomons, Robin Hood, Freeport Concret, Milo Butler and Son's wholesalers, and Bellevue office supplies |
| 19:21.18 | sorphin | ok, since i keep forgetting... |
| 19:21.25 | sorphin | ibot: ols |
| 19:21.26 | | i heard ols is Ottawa Linux Symposium or http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2003/. July 23rd-26th |
| 19:21.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and we should be adding about 10 new ones in the next year |
| 19:21.50 | sorphin | still unknown if i'll be there or not yet |
| 19:22.09 | file | Friday... the 13th! |
| 19:22.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, looks like my boss actually |
| 19:22.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: _wants_ me to attending this conference - http://newsforge.com/newsforge/03/06/05/1328209.shtml?tid=19 |
| 19:24.34 | Russ | sorphin: ever hear of png? |
| 19:25.15 | sorphin | Russ: heh, yes :P never seen an uncompressed PNG file tho ;p |
| 19:25.21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: sounds like fun |
| 19:26.59 | jnork | Why would you WANT an uncompressed png file? |
| 19:28.14 | Russ | sorphin sent me TIFFs |
| 19:28.31 | sorphin | no i didn't *send* you anything |
| 19:28.38 | sorphin | you pulled them from my webserver :P |
| 19:28.58 | sorphin | jnork: and i'd want uncompressed so i don't have artifacts :P |
| 19:29.06 | Russ | *sigh* |
| 19:29.10 | sorphin | jnork: these are pcb layouts |
| 19:29.12 | Russ | sorphin: png does lossless compression |
| 19:29.27 | Russ | sorphin: jpg does lossy compression |
| 19:29.31 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:29.32 | jnork | sorphin: png is lossless. |
| 19:29.36 | jnork | Like Russ said. |
| 19:30.01 | sorphin | well, what i had to pull the image into didn't have PNG as an option *shrug* |
| 19:30.01 | Russ | sorphin: think of png as a .tiff.gz |
| 19:30.28 | jnork | In fact, the whole point of png was to provide an alternative to .gif, but somewhat more up-to-date. |
| 19:30.41 | sorphin | i was lucky to even get uncompressed tiff instead of jpg only :P |
| 19:30.44 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:31.24 | jnork | I'm scanning some family photo archives to .png format for that very reason. Compressed but lossless. |
| 19:31.29 | CosmicPenguin | That patent expires next Friday, by the way... :) |
| 19:31.38 | jnork | the .gif patent? lol |
| 19:31.48 | Russ | wonder how much money they made off enforcement |
| 19:31.58 | jnork | *snort* |
| 19:32.02 | sorphin | none |
| 19:32.08 | sorphin | :P |
| 19:32.23 | jnork | I hate bored lawyers. |
| 19:34.12 | jnork | You can always pull it to .tiff or .tga and then use something to convert it later. Or even .bmp. |
| 19:34.54 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:35.23 | sorphin | well, russ said he wanted to see it *shrug* i warned him they were 2M each before he hit the site, and i don't have time to mess w/ conversion atm |
| 19:35.35 | Russ | tifftopnm < image.tif | pnmtopng > image.png |
| 19:36.09 | sorphin | Russ: yeah, and that would a) require me to have that installed, and b) be under a non limited access to my network atm :P |
| 19:36.16 | sorphin | so it'll have to wait |
| 19:36.18 | Russ | I see |
| 19:38.13 | jnork | hmmph |
| 19:38.15 | jnork | http://news.com.com/2100-1032-1014236.html |
| 19:38.54 | Russ | gif has a lot of limitations |
| 19:39.05 | CosmicPenguin | I like FLOS -thats a good name |
| 19:39.10 | Russ | but IE stubornly doesn't support enough of png to make it useful |
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| 19:39.27 | Jr28 | hola |
| 19:39.38 | prpplague | que pasa |
| 19:40.18 | CosmicPenguin | mng is weak at best though |
| 19:40.27 | Jr28 | quien habla español? |
| 19:40.50 | Russ | se habla espanol |
| 19:40.55 | sorphin | uhh |
| 19:40.59 | sorphin | english please :P |
| 19:41.02 | CosmicPenguin | I like PNGs, but to be honest with you, Pixil uses .GIFs |
| 19:41.15 | Jr28 | o.k |
| 19:41.19 | Russ | aw....you mean we can't advertise #elinux with "se habla espanol" |
| 19:41.23 | CosmicPenguin | Jr28: speak whatever language you want |
| 19:41.27 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: Pixil? you mean that neat thing that Greg pulled the plug on? :P |
| 19:41.35 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: umm |
| 19:41.40 | jnork | http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/ |
| 19:41.45 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: try thingking about people outside of the greater St. Louis area, huh? |
| 19:41.53 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: excuse me? |
| 19:41.57 | CosmicPenguin | Thats right |
| 19:42.40 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: he can speak whatever he want, but that doesn't guarantee he'll get responses :P |
| 19:43.15 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and my geographic location has nothing to do with anything. |
| 19:44.16 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: well if would if you were in Mexico city - you might be more open to spanish... but thats not the point |
| 19:44.37 | CosmicPenguin | Anyway, I can't even speak spanish, let alone geek in spanish. |
| 19:44.51 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: oh, so everything should be in spanish then? :P then shaddup |
| 19:44.53 | CosmicPenguin | Hell, I speak Italian fluently, but I can't write it, and I definately couldn't debug in it |
| 19:45.07 | sorphin | anyways |
| 19:45.27 | chouimat | file: xpresspost |
| 19:45.40 | Russ | I know enough spanish to find my way around in mexico, such important phrases like "donde esta el pescado de mi hermano raul?" |
| 19:46.35 | sorphin | but anyways |
| 19:46.38 | sorphin | have fun |
| 19:46.46 | fontenot | where is my brother's fish ? |
| 19:47.15 | Russ | basically |
| 19:47.30 | Russ | dos cervasas, por favor |
| 19:47.39 | file | chouimat: wow, thanks |
| 19:48.04 | file | chouimat: and how long did the wise postman/postwoman say? |
| 19:48.35 | prpplague | donde esta la mujera's de la nocha? |
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| 19:49.08 | chouimat | prpplague: hi |
| 19:49.23 | Russ | mujera? |
| 19:49.33 | fontenot | prpplague: LOL |
| 19:49.41 | prpplague | Russ: woman |
| 19:50.05 | Russ | better know how to ask if she is clean too |
| 19:51.00 | Russ | and cuanto dinero? |
| 19:51.27 | Jr28 | ¿Como puedo poner un ISP? |
| 19:51.37 | chouimat | prpplague: I got two good news: good price on a plane ticker and the personal phone number of the travel agency chick |
| 19:52.15 | Russ | you might get funny looks asking it that way though, you might try "puta" |
| 19:52.22 | prpplague | chouimat: cool |
| 19:52.26 | prpplague | chouimat: ticket to where? |
| 19:52.36 | chouimat | prpplague: Prague |
| 19:52.38 | Russ | Jr28: thats an important question too |
| 19:52.46 | prpplague | chouimat: yikes |
| 19:52.57 | file | sweet, 1-2 days nationwide |
| 19:53.14 | prpplague | chouimat: ought to be fun |
| 19:53.55 | file | chouimat: what's your postal code? |
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| 19:54.24 | file | yeekz |
| 19:54.29 | file | silly mIRC |
| 19:55.00 | chouimat | file: G1N 3G6 ... maybe friday or monday |
| 19:55.18 | file | yeah |
| 20:53.58 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - it seems that everyone is talking about the death of .PNG |
| 20:55.28 | chouimat | ? |
| 20:55.31 | jnork | Yeah, like all its advantages just evaporate in the face of .gif being free. |
| 21:16.05 | jacques_gone | andersee: did you see Andrew Miklas's post on l-k that Linksys is supposedly now working to determine what to release under the GPL ? |
| 21:31.24 | andersee | jacques: saw it. They havn't contacted me however... |
| 21:33.12 | jacques | andersee: yeah I kinda dont like how there is no public statement from them and they seem to be only talking to that one guy |
| 21:33.36 | jacques | and they are still ignoring the letters they are getting |
| 21:35.18 | jacques | it might be a stalling tactic while a while team of lawyers tried to determine how to circumvent their responsibilities |
| 21:35.25 | jacques | tries |
| 21:37.29 | andersee | jacques: well, their team of lawyers just got a cease and desist or we will sue you letter from my dad... |
| 21:38.09 | jacques | Cool |
| 21:38.12 | jacques | bastages |
| 21:39.37 | jacques | wouldnt it be funny if MS also had a 802.11g router with the same firmware? they use accton to make all their wifi stuff |
| 21:40.20 | file | andersee: any response yet? |
| 21:40.36 | Russ | jacques: the response leaves a lot of unanswered questions |
| 21:40.46 | jacques | Russ: absolutely |
| 21:40.52 | andersee | file: nope |
| 21:41.00 | Russ | jacques: will they include "This |
| 21:41.00 | Russ | > product includes cryptographic software written by Eric A. Young> (eay@cryptsoft.com)." in all their advertising materials? |
| 21:41.05 | file | bah |
| 21:41.09 | jacques | I'm not at all satisfied with it - was just asking if andersee had seen it |
| 21:41.22 | Russ | what about belkin and buffalo? |
| 21:41.33 | Russ | will apple sue linksys since linksys is one of their competitors |
| 21:42.06 | jacques | i bet there are even more manufacturers (rebadgers?) who are using almost identical formware |
| 21:42.10 | jacques | firmware |
| 21:42.21 | Russ | could only find 3 |
| 21:42.25 | andersee | Russ: my dad suggested we should let apple handle things on their own |
| 21:42.32 | Russ | did you contact apple? |
| 21:42.37 | andersee | Russ: nope |
| 21:42.41 | jacques | anyone check d-link, siemens ? |
| 21:42.41 | Russ | I'll send them an email |
| 21:42.44 | andersee | k |
| 21:42.48 | Russ | andersee did |
| 21:43.04 | jacques | ah I guess I missed some stuff then :-( |
| 21:43.07 | andersee | jacques: I have not checked siemens |
| 21:43.14 | andersee | I checked d-link, and they are clean |
| 21:43.25 | jacques | andersee: any new info on the checksum in the linksys rom ? |
| 21:43.31 | andersee | as well as a number of others |
| 21:43.54 | andersee | didn't think to check siemens though |
| 21:44.22 | Russ | I made my own 802.11b ap mostly with parts prpplague sent me |
| 21:44.34 | jacques | if we could get g hardware routers which run linux that we can hack *and* linux g client dirvers out of this, I would be very happy |
| 21:44.49 | prpplague | Russ: still got the pic of it? |
| 21:45.00 | andersee | Russ: I have a home brewed ap as well... |
| 21:46.15 | andersee | running with uClibc of course |
| 21:46.16 | Russ | http://aquaman.gothicfury.com/router.jpg |
| 21:46.18 | andersee | :) |
| 21:47.27 | file | anybody have any experience with network bridging on Linux? |
| 21:47.37 | andersee | Russ: cool. Mine is sitting in a little cardboard box, taped shut, with just cat5, power, and microwaves coming out. |
| 21:47.43 | andersee | file: yes |
| 21:47.47 | jacques | I'm just trying to think of all the router brands at Fry's |
| 21:47.48 | file | andersee: kernel based? |
| 21:47.56 | jacques | andersee: netgear ? |
| 21:48.01 | andersee | yes, using bridge.o and brctl |
| 21:48.12 | file | andersee: bah - that isn't quite working for me... |
| 21:48.26 | file | andersee: IRC and e-mail works, but web browsing/AIM/and ICQ won't |
| 21:48.36 | Russ | I have three cat5 cables going to mine |
| 21:48.42 | Russ | its the router too |
| 21:48.55 | andersee | Russ: I just have 2 cat2 cables going to mine |
| 21:49.00 | andersee | err |
| 21:49.01 | andersee | cat5 |
| 21:49.22 | Russ | internet/dmz/local |
| 21:49.32 | jacques | i want g so I can stream dvds |
| 21:50.37 | CosmicPenguin | file: thats what I used to do for a living |
| 21:50.38 | andersee | Russ: mine is a network bridge, with a vtun vpn tunnel across the wireless link, connecting my wifes office to the rest of the network |
| 21:50.55 | file | CosmicPenguin: think you can help me at all? |
| 21:51.18 | file | CosmicPenguin: it's strange - I can open up a socket to a web server, request a file, and it gets delivered fine there |
| 21:51.33 | file | but IE won't work... and AIM hangs at "Verifying name and password" and ICQ at "Transferring..." |
| 21:51.56 | jacques | MTU too big ? |
| 21:52.22 | file | jacques: I'm logged on via ethernet right now and it's fine |
| 21:52.30 | jacques | tho wget would also have problems in that case unless you requested a very small file |
| 21:52.38 | file | and I can listen to a stream fine |
| 21:52.50 | file | I mean I can listen to a stream fine when logged on through bridging |
| 21:52.54 | Russ | file: mtu problem? |
| 21:53.04 | jacques | :-) |
| 21:56.29 | file | okay MaxMTU and DefaultRcvWindow set... |
| 21:56.54 | file | any other thoughts? |
| 21:57.10 | jacques | not from me |
| 21:57.22 | CosmicPenguin | file: what is ICQ transfering? Can you netcat it? |
| 21:57.39 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe your router is messing with the TTL? |
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| 21:58.22 | file | CosmicPenguin: my contact list! |
| 21:58.43 | CosmicPenguin | file: ok. TCP or UDP? How big? |
| 21:59.08 | file | dunno |
| 21:59.35 | CosmicPenguin | Can you figure out what address the packets are going to? |
| 22:00.06 | file | CosmicPenguin: I'm not really concerned with ICQ ;) more like browsing |
| 22:00.06 | file | anyway |
| 22:00.07 | file | BRB |
| 22:01.18 | *** join/#elinux file2 (~file@mctn1-7007.nb.aliant.net) |
| 22:02.00 | file2 | laptop is almost booted up on wireless... |
| 22:02.46 | file2 | MTU is not the problem |
| 22:03.38 | file2 | coming on IRC... |
| 22:04.18 | *** join/#elinux file[laptop] (~intranet@mctn1-7007.nb.aliant.net) |
| 22:04.21 | file[laptop] | here I am! |
| 22:05.46 | file | CosmicPenguin: still concious? |
| 22:07.03 | chouimat | http://ulyx.homeunix.net:12000/bob2.jpg |
| 22:08.09 | jacques | anyone know status of Mt. Rainier under linux? |
| 22:10.07 | file | grrr I can't even connect to my router's web based control... |
| 22:11.05 | file[laptop] | this makes no sense |
| 22:17.00 | chouimat | file: how is the router? |
| 22:17.07 | file | chouimat: it works great |
| 22:17.40 | file | I thought bridging would work with it, but hey - it's only partially working |
| 22:21.00 | CosmicPenguin | file: sure |
| 22:21.36 | file | CosmicPenguin: just tell me what you'd like to know, and I'll see what I can do :) thanks for helping regardless |
| 22:21.38 | CosmicPenguin | file: do you have ping or anything? |
| 22:21.54 | file | yes |
| 22:22.11 | CosmicPenguin | file: so you can ping across your router, but not anything else |
| 22:22.27 | file | CosmicPenguin: I can ping my router, the server, heck - Google |
| 22:22.44 | CosmicPenguin | But no TCP/UDP? |
| 22:22.57 | file[laptop] | no... IRC works which is TCP/IP |
| 22:23.00 | file[laptop] | so does Outlook Express |
| 22:24.27 | file[laptop] | mmm |
| 22:26.30 | CosmicPenguin | but no http? |
| 22:26.38 | file[laptop] | through Internet Explorer |
| 22:26.48 | file[laptop] | I can, however, open up a telnet window - use like google.ca and port 80 |
| 22:26.50 | file[laptop] | then type GET / |
| 22:26.53 | file[laptop] | and get stuff back |
| 22:26.55 | *** join/#elinux sorphin (sorphin@mewp.captainrock.com) |
| 22:27.07 | CosmicPenguin | DNS issue with IE? |
| 22:27.24 | Neonym | IE thinks it has a proxy configured when there isn't one... Look in your LAN settings.... |
| 22:27.32 | file[laptop] | Neonym: I've already done that |
| 22:27.46 | file[laptop] | it says at the bottom "Web site found. Waiting for reply" regardless |
| 22:27.58 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... |
| 22:28.23 | Neonym | strange.... |
| 22:28.36 | file | very |
| 22:31.24 | chouimat | wow |
| 22:31.51 | file | CosmicPenguin: is there any other stuff I can use for bridging? |
| 22:32.04 | CosmicPenguin | file: a honest to goodness switch, of course |
| 22:32.21 | CosmicPenguin | but I don't think bridging is your issue |
| 22:32.27 | CosmicPenguin | Your issue seems to be more related to routing |
| 22:32.38 | file | CosmicPenguin: uh huh |
| 22:33.08 | CosmicPenguin | file: What are you bridging, BTW? Do you have a network diagram? |
| 22:33.35 | file | CosmicPenguin: ethernet (eth0) and proprietary wireless (eth1) - and no. |
| 22:38.41 | file | CosmicPenguin: I'm frankly at a loss |
| 22:40.48 | CosmicPenguin | Hmmm.... does the AP have an IP address too? |
| 22:41.59 | file | CosmicPenguin: The AP is my workstation, it uses dhcp to get an IP which is shared between wireless and ethernet |
| 22:42.11 | file | that IP being 192.168.2.26 |
| 22:57.17 | file[laptop] | CosmicPenguin: uh huh... |
| 22:59.18 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 23:01.26 | file | CosmicPenguin: you have no idea either? |
| 23:06.17 | *** part/#elinux Rocinante (~Rocinante@patriot.simn.com) |
| 23:08.45 | CosmicPenguin | Not a clue |
| 23:08.53 | CosmicPenguin | But thats about normal for me |
| 23:08.56 | chouimat | fuck! the Alexander Keith's India Pale ale 6 pack don't last very long |
| 23:13.57 | file | chouimat: you need a card that gives you access to an unlimited amount of beer |
| 23:15.03 | chouimat | file: nah! a personal brewery :) |
| 23:19.19 | file | lol |
| 23:33.59 | chouimat | the new metallica sucks |
| 23:35.37 | CosmicPenguin | my cats scratched the hell out of hte old one - any suggestions for a cat friendy and back friendly office chair? |
| 23:35.48 | file | mine? |
| 23:35.56 | file | although it's not an office chair, I think |
| 23:47.31 | file | CosmicPenguin: heh - even WinMX works! |
| 23:49.06 | file | nevermind |
| 23:49.11 | file | searching works, actual file transfers don't |
