| 00:02.08 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: how about office chair friendly cats instead |
| 00:15.49 | file[laptop] | CosmicPenguin: guess what! |
| 00:16.08 | file[laptop] | even through a proxy program it won't work |
| 00:18.54 | file | I'm resetting my router, I have an idea |
| 00:18.55 | file | brb |
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| 00:22.29 | file2 | that didn't work... bleh |
| 00:24.29 | Russ | file2: did you listen to me when I said mtu? |
| 00:24.41 | file2 | Russ: guess what, I set it |
| 00:24.43 | file2 | lol |
| 00:24.56 | Russ | what do you mean "I set it" |
| 00:25.03 | file2 | I set the max MTU |
| 00:25.13 | Russ | so? |
| 00:25.28 | Russ | MTU isn't just a local thing |
| 00:25.45 | file2 | Russ: what would be affected? |
| 00:25.59 | Russ | do you understand what MTU is, how its communicated across routes, and what problems can be caused? |
| 00:26.11 | file2 | all my MTUs are 1500... |
| 00:26.12 | Russ | file2: little packets would be ok |
| 00:26.15 | file2 | no, I don't |
| 00:26.17 | Russ | big packets would not work |
| 00:26.28 | Russ | are you connected through DSL? |
| 00:26.30 | file2 | would a little packet be like... 160kbps streaming? |
| 00:26.32 | file2 | yes, ADSL. |
| 00:26.41 | Russ | no, little packets like syn, ack |
| 00:26.47 | Russ | the MTU on DSL is not 1500 |
| 00:27.08 | Russ | if you aren't getting the ICMP fragment packet, stuff will be broken |
| 00:27.38 | file2 | so you want me to change the MTU for all my NICs? |
| 00:27.39 | Russ | http://keetweej.vanheusden.com/~folkert/path_mtu_discovery_and_filtering_icmp.html |
| 00:27.54 | Russ | running tcpdump might help |
| 00:27.59 | file2 | I am using tcpdump |
| 00:28.17 | file2 | 18:23:57.635396 192.168.2.3.1280 > 192.168.2.1.88: S 8484828:8484828(0) win 2144 <mss 1460,nop,wscale 0,nop,nop,timestamp 0 0,nop,nop,sackOK> (DF) [tos 0xc] |
| 00:28.17 | file2 | 18:23:57.637659 192.168.2.1.88 > 192.168.2.3.1280: S 2129861053:2129861053(0) ack 8484829 win 8192 <mss 1460,nop,wscale 0> |
| 00:28.18 | Russ | do you see any icmp can't fragment packets? |
| 00:28.50 | Russ | pings are little packets |
| 00:29.09 | file2 | that was when I was visiting my router's control page in IE. |
| 00:30.05 | Russ | does that work? |
| 00:30.11 | file2 | no. |
| 00:30.50 | file2 | "Web site found. Waiting for reply..." |
| 00:30.54 | file2 | then just hangs out in limbo |
| 00:31.12 | Russ | ie doesn't tell you crap |
| 00:31.17 | file2 | I know |
| 00:31.19 | Russ | what machine is that tcpdump from |
| 00:31.27 | file2 | my linux machine, the machine that is doing the bridging |
| 00:31.46 | Russ | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=mtu+path+discovery+linux |
| 00:32.02 | Russ | can you run a windows machine instead of a linux machine for the not working link? |
| 00:32.07 | Russ | so you can do tcpdump/ethereal? |
| 00:32.46 | file2 | maybe |
| 00:33.38 | file2 | grrr silly ip... |
| 00:34.03 | file2 | there |
| 00:34.08 | chouimat|diner | TimRiker: ok :) |
| 00:34.21 | file2 | well that didn't work |
| 00:36.02 | chouimat|diner | http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/~yugo/storage/monocrafts_ver3/03/index.html |
| 00:39.39 | file2 | I, hate, this |
| 00:42.08 | file2 | Russ: so it's probably my MTU stuff and such? |
| 00:43.10 | Russ | hping2 might help |
| 00:43.20 | Russ | HPING google.com (eth0 216.239.51.100): S set, 40 headers + 1460 data bytes |
| 00:43.21 | Russ | 46 bytes from 216.239.51.100: flags=SA seq=0 ttl=238 id=65213 win=8190 rtt=191.7 ms |
| 00:43.33 | Russ | HPING google.com (eth0 216.239.51.100): S set, 40 headers + 1461 data bytes |
| 00:43.33 | Russ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.33 | Russ | --- google.com hping statistic --- |
| 00:43.43 | Russ | (with don't fragment bit set |
| 00:44.21 | Russ | hmm..hping2 isn't working properly... (or the way I want it at least) |
| 00:44.27 | file2 | i..c |
| 00:44.32 | file2 | well I'm installing ethereal |
| 00:45.25 | file2 | oh fudge I'm on wireless, I forgot |
| 00:45.33 | Russ | so? |
| 00:45.44 | file2 | it's about 26KB/sec :) |
| 00:46.17 | file2 | oh well I can wait |
| 00:47.02 | chouimat|diner | what is the difference between a woman and a glass of water? |
| 00:48.20 | chouimat|diner | none it's more risky with dentures |
| 00:49.30 | Russ | file2: use ping -s 1460 dest |
| 00:49.38 | Russ | see if the packets go through |
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| 01:08.19 | file | Russ: still concious? |
| 01:12.10 | Russ | ya |
| 01:13.22 | file | ethereal won't work (my laptop has a 256 color display) |
| 01:13.29 | file | and Gtk won't start... |
| 01:13.52 | file | windump keeps trying to use my ethernet instead of wireless for listening... |
| 01:14.32 | Russ | did you try pinging through the bridge with -s 1460? |
| 01:14.55 | file | this is a Windows 95 laptop |
| 01:15.00 | file | valid range is from 1 to 4 |
| 01:15.18 | Russ | no, from linux to the laptop |
| 01:15.22 | Russ | through the bridge |
| 01:15.27 | file | oooooookay |
| 01:15.29 | file | let me see |
| 01:15.56 | file | 100% packet loss |
| 01:16.08 | Russ | now try -s 200 |
| 01:16.21 | file | 100% packet loss |
| 01:16.27 | Russ | try just ping |
| 01:17.06 | file | it works |
| 01:17.13 | Russ | ping -s 8? |
| 01:17.24 | file | 150 works, 151 doesn't |
| 01:17.30 | Russ | ok |
| 01:17.35 | Russ | sounds like a typo on mtu somewhere |
| 01:17.42 | Russ | 150O or something |
| 01:17.50 | file | all my NICs are 1500 |
| 01:18.03 | file | eth0, eth1, and br0 |
| 01:18.29 | Russ | er, a typo of s/1500/150/ would give you a max of 124 or something |
| 01:19.20 | Russ | heh, I ran ethereal a few minutes ago and it was gtk |
| 01:19.23 | Russ | now its gtk2 |
| 01:20.01 | Russ | ok, anything over 192 bytes on the wire isn't making it through |
| 01:20.41 | Russ | so any ip packets over 178 aren't making it |
| 01:20.56 | file | uh huh |
| 01:21.29 | Russ | so whats the deal-e-o? |
| 01:21.54 | Russ | now you know where to look at least |
| 01:22.15 | file | mmm... |
| 01:27.04 | file | this is frustrating... |
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| 01:28.14 | file | eh that failed miserably |
| 01:28.37 | file | Russ: I forced an MTU of 1500 using ip route, but still didn't work |
| 01:31.09 | file | Russ: thanks for pinpointing the problem |
| 01:38.46 | file | Russ: could the Windows machine be the problem? |
| 01:53.23 | file | bloody hell |
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| 02:13.33 | file[bed] | Russ: I have a question |
| 02:15.31 | file[bed] | oh nevermind |
| 02:15.32 | file[bed] | I give up |
| 02:15.38 | file[bed] | I'll deal with this after I reinstall Gentoo |
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| 02:48.35 | CosmicPenguin | Friday at midnight huh? |
| 02:48.56 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone wanna fly to SLC to post a candlelight vigil at SCO headquarters? |
| 03:03.12 | chouimat|ZzZzz | night |
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| 03:57.47 | pmisfit | CosmicPenguin: i prefer direct action. picketing, blockades, banners, angry mobs, etc. |
| 04:02.38 | CosmicPenguin | pmisfit: sure, why not? |
| 04:05.29 | jacques | SLC ? |
| 04:05.35 | jacques | ah salt lake city |
| 04:06.04 | jacques | i agree with pmisfit :-) |
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| 04:32.26 | chouimat|Zzzz | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2269911435.html |
| 06:10.55 | pmisfit | wonder if sco actually has any offices in santa cruz anymore |
| 06:11.18 | pmisfit | SJC not SLC ;-) much more accessible to me for picketing. |
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| 06:52.36 | fontenot | yeah I dunno if they are still in santa cruz |
| 06:53.12 | fontenot | pretty close for me too |
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| 11:33.42 | prpplague | morning all |
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| 12:57.42 | chouimat | morning |
| 12:57.50 | file[bed] | hi chouimat |
| 13:11.56 | file[bed] | chouimat: what's up? |
| 13:17.37 | chouimat | need coffee |
| 13:18.15 | file | don't we all? |
| 13:31.27 | Neonym | so does anyone know anything about JTAG cables? |
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| 13:51.55 | file | hi Tim |
| 13:51.57 | chouimat | hi tim |
| 13:59.09 | prpplague | TimRiker: morning |
| 13:59.22 | file[bed] | mmm... |
| 13:59.59 | chouimat | hi prh |
| 14:00.49 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 14:02.56 | prpplague | chouimat: morning |
| 14:03.20 | file[bed] | prpplague: greetings and salutations |
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| 14:03.58 | sieve | morning all |
| 14:04.10 | file[bed] | sieve: hi |
| 14:04.17 | file[bed] | grrrr iBooks cost too much! |
| 14:05.05 | chouimat | prpplague: go a live album from ayreon |
| 14:05.10 | chouimat | s/goo/got |
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| 14:25.08 | file[bed] | hey Master MIPS |
| 14:25.36 | CosmicPenguin | Good morning |
| 14:25.44 | sjhill | lo' everyone |
| 14:25.59 | file[bed] | morning? morning sucks |
| 14:27.13 | CosmicPenguin | file[bed]: you're still in bed, what do you have to complain about? |
| 14:27.42 | file[bed] | I'm sitting on top of my bed, not in it |
| 14:27.49 | chouimat | hi sorphin sjhill CosmicPenguin |
| 14:28.05 | sorphin | lo mat |
| 14:28.13 | sjhill | bonjour |
| 14:28.31 | sorphin | sjhill: ca va? |
| 14:29.23 | chouimat | oui |
| 14:30.32 | sjhill | sorphin: a cave? what are you talking about? |
| 14:31.35 | sorphin | sjhill: that's french for how are you :P |
| 14:31.42 | sjhill | lol |
| 14:31.55 | sorphin | haha.. reloaded banned in egypt for religion |
| 14:32.18 | sjhill | i saw that...jeeez |
| 14:34.13 | chouimat | sjhill: I can see the difference between 'cave' and 'ça va' |
| 14:34.24 | sjhill | heh |
| 14:34.28 | chouimat | sjhill: :) |
| 14:34.55 | chouimat | sjhill: and it's take a lot more than that to offend me |
| 14:37.13 | file[bed] | wb kergoth |
| 14:37.25 | kergoth | hey |
| 14:53.00 | prpplague | kergoth: morning, did ya get your morning tps report memo? |
| 14:53.21 | kergoth | oh yeah, i got the memo |
| 14:54.58 | sjhill | you guys work for the same company? |
| 14:55.18 | prpplague | sjhill: movie joke from "office space" |
| 14:56.00 | sjhill | ah |
| 14:56.02 | sjhill | yes |
| 14:57.39 | prpplague | kergoth: seen tim this morning? |
| 14:58.19 | kergoth | prpplague: not yet |
| 15:00.08 | sorphin | tim's prolly in meetingland as usual |
| 15:00.16 | kergoth | most likely |
| 15:00.29 | chouimat | kergoth: ck6 sucks |
| 15:00.30 | kergoth | reminds me of why it is that i dont want to go into management |
| 15:00.32 | kergoth | chouimat: it does? |
| 15:00.40 | file[bed] | well this is most interesting |
| 15:00.42 | kergoth | chouimat: ck6.. 2.4.20 or 2.2.21-rc? |
| 15:00.46 | chouimat | 2.4.20 |
| 15:00.48 | file[bed] | my phone service is out - yet my ADSL is working fine! |
| 15:01.12 | file[bed] | silly phone company |
| 15:01.39 | kergoth | chouimat: i think ill try the latest 2.4.21-rc-ck |
| 15:01.51 | chouimat | ck4 was stable ... ck6 is sometime not responding correctly under a load of 3 but not as bad as ck5 |
| 15:02.10 | chouimat | kergoth: I will maybe try ck7 |
| 15:02.51 | kergoth | chouimat: tried recent 2.5.x lately? |
| 15:03.05 | chouimat | kergoth: nope |
| 15:03.16 | kergoth | chouimat: me neither, think ill see how it is |
| 15:04.29 | chouimat | kergoth: the dreamcast front is begining to take form but I can't do extensive test before I get the coder cable and the keyboard and mouse adapter |
| 15:04.39 | kergoth | ah |
| 15:05.05 | file[bed] | I tried 2.5.69 I think... |
| 15:05.28 | file[bed] | it was fun to get running on Gentoo, uses different module tools... and my wireless nic driver wouldn't compile |
| 15:05.29 | chouimat | kergoth: and that will be somewhere in july ... since I lost my connection the 20 or 23 |
| 15:11.51 | prpplague | sjhill: man timesys has been getting alot of press lately, |
| 15:12.08 | kergoth | chouimat: ah |
| 15:14.10 | chouimat | kergoth: will be back iin july with a brand new isp and a fat pipe |
| 15:14.41 | prpplague | chouimat: a fat pipe? sounds like you've been reading your spam |
| 15:14.55 | sjhill | prpplague: yeah...and my work load is going exponential |
| 15:15.14 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: what was the name of that web browsers mallum was working with a few days ago? |
| 15:15.27 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: minimo |
| 15:15.29 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: iirc. |
| 15:15.42 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe ... I don't know if I take the 1.3mb for 34.95cad+6.50 or the 3mb for 69.95+6.50 the 6.50 is for static ip |
| 15:16.07 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: minimo, I just in the process of building a better one - give me 12 hrs |
| 15:17.07 | file[bed] | how am I supposed to know if I have the job if I can't dial/receive calls?!?!?!? |
| 15:17.10 | prpplague | mallum: wow, browser too? |
| 15:17.34 | prpplague | mallum: sounds like your doing alot of fun stuff |
| 15:18.00 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: its straight out of the Mozilla project iself? |
| 15:18.10 | chouimat | file[bed]: http://www.kantron.net/adsl.htm |
| 15:18.22 | file | hey? |
| 15:18.25 | file | my wireless died |
| 15:18.34 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yessir, minimo branch |
| 15:18.35 | chouimat | file: ouch |
| 15:18.41 | file | everything is breaking |
| 15:18.42 | file | lol |
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| 15:19.35 | Neonym | any recommendations for who might have XScale chip prices? |
| 15:19.44 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: cool. I can't find any links, I guess I'll have get down and dirty with the CVS |
| 15:19.47 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: its Gecko based? |
| 15:20.40 | Neonym | digikey is my default and they don't have any or know how much they are.... |
| 15:22.04 | sorphin | sjhill: i wish :P |
| 15:22.39 | chouimat | file: postcanada tracking number are useless |
| 15:23.28 | file | chouimat: very true |
| 15:23.35 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yep gecko based |
| 15:23.38 | file | chouimat: did you try the one for the HD and it said it wasn't in the system yet? |
| 15:23.39 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: see http://poincare.ikezoe.net/kazehakase/20030309.html |
| 15:24.05 | chouimat | file: yes |
| 15:24.36 | file | chouimat: it takes about 24 hours after you send it before it gets into the system... if it gets in at all |
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| 15:44.15 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: nano-x? |
| 15:46.12 | CosmicPenguin | yeppers |
| 15:52.39 | CosmicPenguin | man - that mozilla tree is a big sucker |
| 16:00.47 | CosmicPenguin | grr... where is X11 getting pulled in? |
| 16:17.36 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: you're the smartest make system guy I know. Care to answer a quick question? |
| 16:19.40 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: ask away |
| 16:22.53 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: so I've got a Nano-X -> X11 compatabilty layer which builds a libX11.so file. So I set up GTK to use my compatability library, which it does like so |
| 16:23.04 | CosmicPenguin | -L/user/projects/microwin/nxlib-0.44/ -lX11 |
| 16:23.32 | CosmicPenguin | However, /usr/X11R6/lib is in my ld.so.conf, so the *real* X11 library gets built instead |
| 16:23.41 | CosmicPenguin | How do I short circuit that? |
| 16:24.31 | kergoth | Where are you putting -your- libX11 on the target? |
| 16:25.21 | CosmicPenguin | Well, for the moment, this is all going down on my desktop |
| 16:25.37 | kergoth | same question |
| 16:25.39 | CosmicPenguin | So my -lX11 is living in the directory where it was built. |
| 16:26.49 | kergoth | well this is a question of runtime linking, not compiletime. you'd need to add the build dir to the rpath on the libgtk link line, i'd say.. course if your app links libXll prior to gtk, you'll need that added to the rpath for the application as well |
| 16:27.02 | kergoth | or just set LD_LIBRARY_PATH properly |
| 16:27.10 | kergoth | or add the path to the build dir to ld.so.conf |
| 16:27.11 | CosmicPenguin | Its actually the library itself that I'm having trouble with |
| 16:28.04 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:28.42 | CosmicPenguin | Duh |
| 16:29.48 | kergoth | er wait, you mean your version of libX11 isnt in /user/projects/microwin/nxlib-0.44? |
| 16:29.58 | CosmicPenguin | No, it is. |
| 16:30.07 | CosmicPenguin | Its all good |
| 16:30.12 | kergoth | k |
| 16:32.46 | mallum | kergoth: whats special about the tslib-corgi package ? it just has the env set right , code is the same as any other arch right ? |
| 16:33.25 | kergoth | mallum: right. arch in ipkg is a convenient way to avoid slow runtime checks |
| 16:33.39 | kergoth | particularly things in profile, which'll affect every login |
| 16:34.47 | mallum | kergoth: right, trying to false insall my x pkgs onto ipaq |
| 16:35.27 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 16:47.08 | CosmicPenguin | seesh - Mozilla is still updating from CVS |
| 16:47.35 | kergoth | moz is a beast |
| 16:49.28 | chouimat | kergoth: ever try to download moz cvs on a 33.6 link? |
| 16:49.43 | kergoth | chouimat: nope, and i never will :) |
| 16:49.54 | chouimat | kergoth: did once |
| 16:49.59 | kergoth | ouch |
| 16:52.36 | chouimat | ok back to wrestling with gstreamer |
| 16:58.28 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: good luck |
| 17:21.05 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: so does minimo just build a smaller gtkembed widget that can be used in your favorite gecko browser (ie, skipstone), or does it only work with that guys own browser? |
| 17:22.10 | CosmicPenguin | Woot - I got dillo up in Nano-X... :) |
| 17:22.28 | CosmicPenguin | Sort of |
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| 17:26.25 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yeah smaller gtkembed |
| 17:26.38 | CosmicPenguin | Kewl - so I could use Skipstone then? |
| 18:07.52 | file | chouimat: wb |
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| 18:40.51 | file | chouimat|away: PSST, when you get back can you tell me the tracking # ? |
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| 19:56.19 | Russ | hey andersee |
| 19:56.25 | Russ | whats up with the bb pserver? |
| 20:01.26 | andersee | Russ: sigh |
| 20:01.33 | andersee | Russ: I wish I knew |
| 20:01.49 | andersee | Russ: It keeps falling over dead dead dead. |
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| 20:41.23 | MonMotha | hello tim |
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| 21:49.54 | CosmicPenguin | sigh - its never fun trying to explain to someone that just because you have a Gigabit Ethernet card doesn't mean you'll get 1000 Mb/s of bandwidth |
| 21:54.06 | Russ | forget explaining it to them |
| 21:54.18 | Russ | just sell them a 1Gb internet connection |
| 21:56.47 | CosmicPenguin | Heh |
| 22:19.47 | CosmicPenguin | hmm..... |
| 22:21.39 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: dunno if you're interested, but via just released a big chunk of stuff for the epia M - specs and drivers |
| 22:21.50 | jacques | having to do with video / mpeg2 accel |
| 22:23.40 | jacques | " This archive contains a lot of interesting things. DRI-Support, mpeg2 support (couldn't test it yet), sample-programs, API documentation, modified mpeg2dec... " |
| 22:32.05 | CosmicPenguin | Hmm... nice |
| 22:32.10 | CosmicPenguin | That is good news |
| 22:33.13 | jacques | "this package contains the video interface API (AFAIK it was under NDA), source headers for the MPEG2 stuff and apparently some framebuffer info !!! And guess what....they have modified libmpeg2 (finally they came to their senses and stopped this DRI/XvMC/Xine nonsense/crap !!) in order to integer their hardware accel !!! well at least i believe it is so, since i found a mpeg2dec subdir in the Video_SDK directory." |
| 22:35.54 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: stil binary then? |
| 22:37.16 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: apparently some parts are still binary but it's confusing - some ppl saying there are instructions for checking out the source from cvs and building your own |
| 22:37.54 | jacques | I just found out and hvent actually looked in the tarballs myself - it's a 52MB download |
| 22:42.36 | jacques | hmm looks like it's not an official release, just a big tarball that appeared on their ftp site |
| 22:43.43 | CosmicPenguin | Oops |
| 22:44.14 | jacques | but it does look like it's going to become a release |
| 22:44.22 | jacques | not like an accident |
| 22:44.45 | jacques | (this time :-) |
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| 23:47.10 | file | mmm? |