| 00:54.53 | jacques | WTF??? |
| 00:55.12 | jacques | did you see linksys' response to the GPL issue? |
| 00:55.27 | file | nope |
| 00:56.27 | jacques | it makes no sense to me - looke like they are playing dumb |
| 00:56.39 | Russ | ya they are |
| 00:56.48 | jacques | BASTARDS |
| 00:57.04 | Russ | I'm debating whether to tell the right people and push the BSD w/advertising clause thing |
| 00:57.25 | Russ | I personally hate that license |
| 00:58.21 | Russ | I wonder if they will just send me a stock source of udhcp |
| 00:59.14 | Russ | ya, you were playing stupid, thats why you dropped my previous email to the floor and fucking ignored it... |
| 00:59.29 | jacques | !*@&$^%# |
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| 01:02.02 | jacques | andersee: see the /. response from linksys ? |
| 01:03.47 | andersee | jacques: yup |
| 01:04.00 | jacques | andersee: are you as speechless as I am? |
| 01:04.18 | andersee | jacques: but I have not gotten a response from them. I expect a response from their law dept, not PR... |
| 01:04.41 | Russ | I sent a request anyway, I'm curious what they will send |
| 01:05.03 | jacques | probably the URLs for the vanilla projects which they modified |
| 01:05.12 | Russ | that would be fucking hilarious |
| 01:05.49 | jacques | or maybe the email address of some company in china which did the actual firware |
| 01:06.37 | Russ | I also don't like how everyone is saying "yay gpl, yay linksys, this will make the gpl more enforcable" |
| 01:06.55 | Russ | no it won't, it will just show companies that they can ignore copyright, do what they want, and then just play stupid |
| 01:07.51 | andersee | Russ: indeed. And how many devices shipped that are not in compliance? |
| 01:10.26 | file | andersee: nothing yet? |
| 01:11.05 | andersee | file: well, the Buffalo and Belkin notices just went out this week |
| 01:12.30 | andersee | file: and my dad sent a second notice, cease and desist to Linksys, informing them we will take legal action by June 16 if there is no response. |
| 01:12.51 | file | and the battle begins... |
| 01:12.54 | andersee | and frankly, I don't care what their PR folk say |
| 01:13.03 | Russ | I think there is a corelation to ignoring copyright and ignoring letters they get from you |
| 01:13.21 | Russ | "but we didn't know about the GPL" no, you ignored it, just like you ignored all the notices I sent you |
| 01:13.29 | andersee | If I go visit the local CompUSA store, there are piles of infringing products for sale on their shelves... |
| 01:13.59 | Russ | andersee: oh, btw, familiar is putting a full source repo online |
| 01:14.12 | andersee | Russ: cool |
| 01:14.39 | andersee | I will be making source available |
| 01:14.52 | Russ | I wonder if broadcom will sent me product literature or stopped sending that stuff out pending all the licensing stuff |
| 01:15.03 | Russ | I don't distribute binaries |
| 01:16.07 | andersee | I _wish_ I could avoid releasing binaries. But making that dev system available has saved me tons of tech support... |
| 01:16.13 | Russ | btw, anyone here know much about overshoot/undershoot protection from the point of view of being connected electrically to something that will be powered on/off |
| 01:17.54 | andersee | Russ: Just that one generally puts in some big capacitors to handle the transiants. But IANAEE (I am not an Electrical Engineer). |
| 01:21.34 | MonMotha | andersee: well, while I've got you in here talking about legal stuff (or were recently) mind if I ask you a question related to busybox, but more generally to the GPL? |
| 01:24.19 | andersee | MonMotha: Just ask, instead of asking if you can ask. Saves us both a step... |
| 01:24.21 | andersee | :) |
| 01:24.31 | Russ | hmm...I was going to use a couple schokkty diodes |
| 01:24.59 | Russ | I have three places where this is happening |
| 01:25.07 | Russ | two are low speed, one is high speed |
| 01:25.50 | MonMotha | good point :) |
| 01:25.53 | MonMotha | I keep telling people that in #linuxhelp |
| 01:26.21 | andersee | Russ: I was just figuring a pair of capacitors, one as a low pass filter and the other as a high pass filter, with capacitence tuned to the time of the transients you wish to suppress |
| 01:26.24 | MonMotha | basically I have a system based almost entirely on GPLed software (the only things not GPLed are my init scripts pretty much, I assume that's OK as they're just shell scripts) |
| 01:26.45 | Russ | I don't know what the transients will be though |
| 01:26.51 | MonMotha | if someone were to ask for the source to them (mostly unmodified, but the kernel has some patches), would tarring up my source/build tree and sending them a couple CDs be sufficient? |
| 01:26.58 | MonMotha | obviously I need to provide contact info |
| 01:27.24 | Russ | for a copy of source, send a self addressed, stamped cd mailer along with $5 to:.... |
| 01:27.54 | andersee | As long as you provide either a written offer, or online access for the GPLd bits, you are set. |
| 01:28.05 | MonMotha | I was just making sure my response of simply tarring up my build/source trees would be sufficient |
| 01:28.08 | MonMotha | (I should hope... :() |
| 01:28.09 | MonMotha | :) |
| 01:28.24 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: as far as I'm concerned, you don't even have to give them your build environment if you don't want to |
| 01:28.31 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: agreed |
| 01:28.48 | MonMotha | andersee: k, I should be good then (though currently the system has no reference in terms of contact info on it, but then again we only sell it directly through us, so they know to call us for that kind of stuff anyway...need to put contact info on it tho) |
| 01:28.50 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 01:29.16 | Russ | what you give them should build |
| 01:29.27 | CosmicPenguin | No |
| 01:29.36 | andersee | MonMotha: oh, and you ought to send me $10 royalties for every copy of BusyBox you sell. ;-) |
| 01:29.50 | CosmicPenguin | You have to give them the source. If you want to be an nice guy, it will build, but thats not a requirement |
| 01:30.18 | Russ | andersee: and I suppose you'll distribute that fairly amoungst various copyright holders and contributors in busybox |
| 01:30.26 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 01:30.27 | MonMotha | andersee: very funny :) |
| 01:30.45 | CosmicPenguin | Everyone gets 5 cents |
| 01:30.54 | MonMotha | hey, I think I made a contribution to busybox once upon a time |
| 01:31.04 | MonMotha | I know I made a change to get something to build at least |
| 01:31.07 | MonMotha | not sure if I ever sent it back in |
| 01:31.25 | CosmicPenguin | distributed evenly to everyone who sent an e-mail to the busybox mailing list over the last 3 months |
| 01:31.41 | andersee | Russ: of course. After I pay off all my bandwidth and hardware costs |
| 01:37.59 | jacques | when dd'ing from one hd to another, do I have to worry about the bs param ? |
| 01:39.51 | andersee | jacques: only if they have a different physical sector size (i.e. if you are copy a Magneto Optical drive with 2048 bytes sectore) |
| 01:40.18 | jacques | andersee: ah thanks |
| 01:42.47 | sorphin | MonMotha: heh, $5.95 for 232s :( |
| 01:43.01 | MonMotha | sorphin: ? |
| 01:44.06 | sorphin | MonMotha: max232cpe's |
| 01:44.35 | sorphin | 5.95 each |
| 01:44.36 | sorphin | blah |
| 01:45.19 | MonMotha | jeesh, wheer at? |
| 01:45.34 | MonMotha | though actually, my local place sells them for like $5 |
| 01:45.34 | sorphin | local place |
| 01:45.39 | MonMotha | yeah, not TOO bad |
| 01:45.43 | MonMotha | I could go check the actual price |
| 01:45.47 | sorphin | MonMotha: more than samples :P |
| 01:45.52 | MonMotha | true |
| 01:46.03 | MonMotha | oh, and never hook them up without the capacitors hooked up |
| 01:46.07 | MonMotha | they fry themselves |
| 01:46.43 | sorphin | no prob there |
| 01:46.58 | sorphin | wish this thing could fit a 233 |
| 01:50.16 | MonMotha | 233 a 232 with built in caps? |
| 01:50.34 | sorphin | yup |
| 01:50.37 | MonMotha | oh, TI has a clone of the MAX232 and TI lets you get like 10 "samples" of lots of things |
| 01:50.40 | MonMotha | they ship them next day too |
| 01:50.54 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:50.57 | sorphin | now you tell me :P |
| 01:51.07 | sorphin | dunno when tho :P |
| 01:51.12 | MonMotha | TI's sample system is nicer than Maxim's in my opinion...a bit more difficult to use tho |
| 01:52.09 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:52.44 | sorphin | remember what chip is the clone? :P |
| 01:53.12 | MonMotha | MAX232 |
| 01:53.14 | MonMotha | they call it the same thing |
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| 01:53.36 | MonMotha | just go to my.ti.com (assuming you have an account), log in, search for MAX232, request samples |
| 01:53.42 | file | hi GPSFan |
| 01:53.47 | MonMotha | give some BS reason like "evaluating replacement of Maxim part with TI clone" |
| 01:53.48 | sorphin | GPSFan: allo ken |
| 01:53.53 | MonMotha | get "samples" next day :) |
| 01:54.06 | sorphin | MonMotha: Microchip did that too |
| 01:54.09 | sorphin | next day samples |
| 01:54.25 | cosmic_chinese | sounds like a brand of heroin, doesn't it? |
| 01:54.26 | MonMotha | although I will say I actually have bought some TI parts that I sampled (though not in any quantitiy that it would make a difference...I bought like 10 :) |
| 01:54.36 | sorphin | cosmic_chinese: eh? |
| 01:54.42 | MonMotha | sorphin: next day samples :) |
| 01:54.47 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:54.57 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:55.05 | MonMotha | I love it, I get this box via UPS next day air that's marked "Extremely Urgent! Free samples." |
| 01:55.38 | sorphin | hehe |
| 01:56.34 | sorphin | he says C13, it's really C9, and i JUST noticed today after having put a cap in C13, which wasn't needed |
| 01:57.08 | MonMotha | heh, I finally got the top off my switch today |
| 01:57.19 | sorphin | ok... |
| 01:57.30 | MonMotha | need to go get some replacement fans tomorrow (fans: quiet, moves a lot of air, reliable; pick any two) |
| 01:57.41 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:57.54 | MonMotha | amazing tho...just has a tiny little 68k, I guess that's what you get when you have a switch that actually moves packets on ASICs rather than in software |
| 01:58.03 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:58.13 | Russ | you can get 232 clones from national for cheap |
| 01:58.16 | sorphin | all my cisco gear has 68xxx series chips for cpus |
| 01:58.24 | MonMotha | Russ: TI's are pretty cheap too |
| 01:58.30 | MonMotha | maybe not AS cheap tho :) |
| 01:58.36 | MonMotha | sorphin: really? I thought cisco used PPC |
| 01:58.42 | sorphin | MonMotha: no |
| 01:58.56 | MonMotha | hum, interesting |
| 01:59.32 | MonMotha | I really should work with some 68k stuff, but not until after I make this z80 based deal (and the 80451 thing...just need to fit a few more traces in...which is tough when you're designing the board on GRAPH PAPER) |
| 02:00.03 | Russ | why graph paper? |
| 02:00.09 | Russ | why not with a computer? |
| 02:00.31 | MonMotha | Russ: because eagle cad is damn unstable for me (even on windows), and every thing else i find is expensive :) |
| 02:00.45 | MonMotha | I'm getting a copy of autocad soon (educ. liscense) tho, so I may be able to use that |
| 02:00.51 | Russ | MonMotha: use pcb cvs |
| 02:01.04 | MonMotha | Russ: does PCB not suck anymore? :) |
| 02:01.17 | MonMotha | and what do you use for schematic capture? PCB last I checked really liked to be fed a netlist |
| 02:01.20 | Russ | it works for me (TM) |
| 02:01.24 | Russ | gschem |
| 02:01.29 | sorphin | MonMotha: ok, my swithc uses a PPC603GA |
| 02:01.34 | Russ | gnetlist has a pcb module |
| 02:01.39 | MonMotha | Russ: ah |
| 02:01.45 | MonMotha | sorphin: thoguht so :) |
| 02:01.54 | Russ | then I have various tools that script component creation |
| 02:02.08 | Russ | text file formats lets you do a lot of handy stuff |
| 02:02.08 | MonMotha | Russ: I guess I'll take a look at that...gschem's part library isn't too big unfortunately, but neither was eagle's |
| 02:02.12 | MonMotha | yup |
| 02:02.22 | Russ | tragesym makes it easy to make components |
| 02:02.22 | sorphin | MonMotha: my routers don't tho |
| 02:02.37 | file | goodnight all |
| 02:02.52 | MonMotha | damn, no debian packages... |
| 02:02.54 | Russ | I usually copy/paste from the datasheet to gnumeric, move some things around, export it, put a header on it, run it through tragesym, touch it up in gschem, save, and good to go |
| 02:03.36 | GPSFan | hi sorphin: file et al... |
| 02:03.37 | sorphin | MonMotha: 1605 is a 68360 |
| 02:03.47 | MonMotha | interesting... |
| 02:04.34 | Russ | I also have a little script that takes arguments of prefix, start, end, spacing, and outputs a schematic with a nets spaced by spacing and name appropriately |
| 02:04.55 | sorphin | MonMotha: my 25xx series use 68030s |
| 02:04.57 | Russ | so if I need a data bus, SD0-31, I just do ./make_bus SD 0 31 200 > bus.sch |
| 02:05.10 | Russ | then I can copy/paste from there, no spending all day naming nets |
| 02:05.13 | MonMotha | Russ: very nice |
| 02:05.20 | MonMotha | think you could send me those little scripts? |
| 02:05.34 | MonMotha | I find geda's properties box for naming nets to be very...time consuming |
| 02:06.05 | Russ | if you double click on the net, you can type the net name and hit enter |
| 02:06.16 | Russ | er |
| 02:06.25 | Russ | thats only if you double click an existing net name |
| 02:06.43 | Russ | which is why I usually copy an existing stub if its just a stub connection |
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| 02:07.15 | MonMotha | Russ: yeah, it seems to by default create nets with no name |
| 02:07.18 | MonMotha | no property even |
| 02:07.46 | Russ | you give your nets properties? |
| 02:07.58 | MonMotha | ok, maybe I'm no tusing the same software as you |
| 02:08.10 | MonMotha | when I double click on a net, it brings up the massive properties dialog |
| 02:08.16 | MonMotha | one attribute being "netlist" |
| 02:08.26 | MonMotha | er netname |
| 02:08.45 | Russ | ah, ya, again, thats why I copy an old stub if its just going to be a stub |
| 02:08.50 | Russ | then double click the net name |
| 02:09.07 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 02:09.33 | MonMotha | it also didn't appear to be smart enough to know that nets that are connected are part of the same net |
| 02:09.42 | Russ | ? |
| 02:09.55 | Russ | you mean if you give two nets different names and then connect them? |
| 02:10.22 | MonMotha | or have one net with a name and then take another (unnamed, like create a new line using "add nets") one and connect them |
| 02:10.55 | Russ | thats ok, its just if you have two nets named different things, I imagine it would get confused if you connect them |
| 02:11.30 | MonMotha | well, if I take an unnamed net (like a new one) and conncet it to an existing net, the new one is still unnamed |
| 02:11.34 | MonMotha | not listed as being part of any net |
| 02:11.39 | MonMotha | at least not in the attributes dialog |
| 02:11.57 | Russ | right, but the pin will be attached in the netlist |
| 02:12.04 | MonMotha | k |
| 02:12.10 | Russ | the name property is attached to a segment |
| 02:12.16 | MonMotha | so that's just a UI issue? |
| 02:12.39 | Russ | its just how the program works |
| 02:12.44 | MonMotha | that works too :) |
| 02:12.53 | Russ | properties are attached to things, and a segment is a thing |
| 02:13.00 | MonMotha | I would personally like to see a much quicker system for net naming since that's a common thing to do |
| 02:13.01 | Russ | the netlister connects them all together later |
| 02:13.07 | MonMotha | that and terminating nets into busses |
| 02:13.19 | Russ | busses don't do anything, they are just visual |
| 02:13.26 | MonMotha | ah |
| 02:14.09 | MonMotha | so just name the two nets the same thing and it'll connect them up? |
| 02:14.23 | MonMotha | (whcih makes sense, I was just referring to a UI for it to do that for you |
| 02:15.01 | Russ | yes |
| 02:15.21 | MonMotha | yeah, eagle cad pops up a little menu list when you terminate a net into a bus |
| 02:15.22 | Russ | even if they are on different pages |
| 02:15.35 | Russ | that would be annoying |
| 02:15.38 | MonMotha | basically, it lets yuou automagically name the nets based on what nets have previously been terminated into the bus |
| 02:15.42 | MonMotha | depends on how you use it |
| 02:15.52 | MonMotha | I found it quite simple and helpful myself, at least for small, one page things |
| 02:16.06 | Russ | that'd take a long time on a 32 bit data bus |
| 02:16.10 | MonMotha | true |
| 02:16.17 | MonMotha | I was only working with 8 bit busses |
| 02:16.28 | MonMotha | and I had a digitizing pad too, so I was pretty quick |
| 02:16.44 | MonMotha | (I've got an ancient SummaSketch III I do my CAD work with) |
| 02:16.55 | Russ | I don't know what gschem does with a pad |
| 02:17.11 | MonMotha | res sucks, cursor/stylus is cabled, no pressure sensativity (not that that matters for cad work), but it was free and it's BIG |
| 02:17.19 | MonMotha | Russ: this was just emulating a mouse |
| 02:17.28 | MonMotha | all it lets you do is not have to "row" the cursor |
| 02:17.39 | MonMotha | you can pick it up an dmove it to go from once point to another VERY quickly |
| 02:17.55 | Russ | http://aquaman.gothicfury.com/s3c2500_mem.ps |
| 02:18.07 | Russ | example of using busses to make things make sense visually |
| 02:18.09 | MonMotha | I imagine fancier cad programs have reals upport (like autocad I know lets you put menus on the tablet, and have only part of it be the page your owrking on) |
| 02:19.06 | MonMotha | Russ: yeah, in this I was mostly using them so I would have 8 lines floating all over the place since it was just a one page schematic |
| 02:19.13 | MonMotha | (pretty small thing I'm making) |
| 02:19.36 | Russ | if the busses and arrows weren't there, the netlist would turn out the same |
| 02:19.42 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 02:19.45 | MonMotha | just a visual thing |
| 02:19.58 | MonMotha | basically eagle's littl emenu thingie lets you interact with busses more |
| 02:20.07 | MonMotha | rather than being purely visual |
| 02:21.05 | MonMotha | i can imagine that on larger busses it would be moer troubel than it's worth tho |
| 02:21.05 | Russ | currently have 14 pages of schematics on this project |
| 02:21.30 | MonMotha | yeah, a bigger project :) |
| 02:21.40 | Russ | some pages are interchangeable |
| 02:21.42 | MonMotha | (than my little 80451 toybox of course) |
| 02:21.57 | Russ | so if I want the netlist for the pci version, I substitute the page with the agp connector |
| 02:21.59 | sorphin | MonMotha: fyi |
| 02:22.06 | sorphin | MAX232 = $1.55 from maxim |
| 02:22.16 | MonMotha | in quantities of 1000 :) |
| 02:22.26 | sorphin | MonMotha: true |
| 02:22.34 | MonMotha | I know that in qyantities of 1on digikey, the TI ones are MUCH cheaper than the maxim ones |
| 02:22.38 | Russ | I got a shipment of those from maxim (cpe) and about half of them were bad |
| 02:22.58 | MonMotha | Russ: I get the impression maxim doesn't pay much attention to their DIP stuff anymore |
| 02:23.05 | Russ | it wasn't dip |
| 02:23.39 | MonMotha | that's what a max232cpe is |
| 02:23.42 | MonMotha | cpe is the package code |
| 02:23.44 | MonMotha | I thought at least |
| 02:24.00 | sorphin | it is |
| 02:24.02 | Russ | maybe I misspoke |
| 02:24.10 | Russ | whatever the little one is for 3.3V |
| 02:24.11 | sorphin | it's part package code, and part spec code |
| 02:24.23 | sorphin | MAX232CPE is a 16 pin DIP |
| 02:24.42 | MonMotha | ah, the MAX3232 |
| 02:25.00 | MonMotha | I have a coulpe of those, used one in my tux |
| 02:25.01 | Russ | I've also noticed that a lot of cad programs handle bga poorly |
| 02:25.14 | MonMotha | Russ: like I'll be using BGAs for this stuff :) |
| 02:25.23 | MonMotha | I'm using a 64pin DIP package :) |
| 02:25.25 | MonMotha | yes, 64 pins |
| 02:25.26 | Russ | they get all confused when you want to name things with names like AA12, and add to that non-sequentially |
| 02:25.27 | MonMotha | DIP |
| 02:33.21 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and what was the order for tonight? |
| 02:38.02 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: sesame chicken, extra MSG |
| 02:38.17 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: always a good thing |
| 02:38.27 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.43 | sorphin | that's all i get at the local place now |
| 02:40.44 | Russ | don't knock the mongollian beef |
| 02:43.20 | sorphin | i wasn't, i'm just a chicken man |
| 02:45.26 | Russ | honey seared chicken? |
| 02:48.29 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: thats good stuff. Ever had it at PF Changs? |
| 02:49.48 | sorphin | MonMotha: this the one you mean?: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/productfolder.jhtml?genericPartNumber=MAX232 |
| 02:50.11 | Russ | just tell digi-key that you want a max232 |
| 02:50.22 | Russ | and you can get one for $0.90 from ti |
| 02:51.23 | Russ | (at least in soic) |
| 02:51.40 | CosmicPenguin | Google News: US threatens to boycott Belgium |
| 02:51.48 | CosmicPenguin | Uh oh - no more waffles! |
| 02:52.47 | Russ | http://www.digikey.com/scripts/us/dksus.dll?Detail?Ref=38632&Row=58818 |
| 02:53.12 | Russ | at least we aren't boycotting france, that would be a disaster |
| 02:53.24 | Russ | or wait, there are those replacements people came up with |
| 02:53.28 | Russ | "freedom toast" |
| 02:54.07 | CosmicPenguin | Apparently - Belgium has a law where Belgian citizen can bring "war crimes" charges against anyone they want |
| 02:54.43 | CosmicPenguin | So of course the ywent ahead and charged GWB, Cheney, Powell, Rumsfield, and Gen Tommy Franks |
| 02:55.34 | Russ | its like when russian programmers came here and we arrested them |
| 02:57.52 | CosmicPenguin | Pretty much |
| 02:57.58 | CosmicPenguin | But with much funnier results |
| 02:59.54 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.la/recent.cgi |
| 03:01.02 | CosmicPenguin | pau.la |
| 03:01.04 | CosmicPenguin | I love it |
| 03:07.24 | Russ | anyone need some rev3 lart pcbs? |
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| 03:32.44 | Russ | any shanip peeps here? |
| 03:38.22 | andersee | Russ: eh? |
| 03:39.44 | Russ | shanip3, R11 "TBD" |
| 03:43.09 | Russ | I'm going to have 22 shanip3's |
| 03:43.14 | Russ | wonder if they'll all be bought |
| 03:54.27 | andersee | How much? |
| 03:59.55 | MonMotha | heh, I've got one built and partially attached |
| 04:00.10 | MonMotha | it was a shanip 2 tho, and on a breadboard somewhere (I may have disassembled it) |
| 04:00.14 | MonMotha | was gunna build a model 3 |
| 05:25.06 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 06:04.39 | sorphin | russ: i think at one point i saw someone mention a value for the TBD resistor, but it escapes me atm |
| 06:04.44 | sorphin | bah |
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| 06:47.13 | sorphin | Russ: i think at one point i saw someone mention a value for the TBD resistor, but it escapes me atm |
| 06:51.06 | Russ | well put andersee (re /.) |
| 06:56.54 | andersee | Russ: thx |
| 07:01.29 | sorphin | you guys actually read comments? scary |
| 07:13.12 | andersee | sorphin: I think that was John Laur/gork that determined that TBD value |
| 07:13.49 | andersee | sorphin: http://www.blurbco.com/~gork/tuxscreen/shanip2-gork8.gif |
| 07:14.26 | andersee | sorphin: ahh |
| 07:14.35 | andersee | sorphin: this one was resistor values |
| 07:14.38 | andersee | http://www.blurbco.com/~gork/tuxscreen/shanip2-gork5.gif |
| 07:15.37 | andersee | Russ: seen this? |
| 07:37.12 | andersee | dunno |
| 07:42.02 | Russ | ya, so? |
| 07:44.22 | Russ | http://aquaman.gothicfury.com/boards/ |
| 07:44.26 | Russ | see: shanip |
| 07:45.47 | Russ | .25in^2 |
| 08:04.28 | andersee | Wow, tiny! |
| 08:05.13 | andersee | Russ: the point though, was the second .gif has resistor values... You were asking about the TDB resistor... |
| 08:05.53 | Russ | it doesn't have the values I need |
| 08:06.49 | andersee | oh well |
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| 13:36.30 | chouimat | hey prpplague |
| 13:36.39 | prpplague | hidaly hodaly irc-neighbors |
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| 13:42.31 | file | chouimat|afk: hardrive received and operational |
| 13:45.39 | chouimat|afk | file: goood |
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| 13:59.06 | CosmicPenguin | Morning folks |
| 14:01.08 | file | hello there |
| 14:01.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 14:01.49 | chouimat | file: the hd work ok? and no problem with the packaging? |
| 14:01.51 | prpplague | ~lart CosmicPenguin for getting burried(i mean married) |
| 14:02.37 | chouimat | prpplague: look is because some here got bad experience with marriage that it's a crime against manhood :) |
| 14:02.52 | chouimat | wait it iss |
| 14:03.35 | chouimat | hi CosmicPenguin |
| 14:05.55 | prpplague | chouimat: lol |
| 14:06.20 | prpplague | chouimat: naw, i just like to caution ppl, be _damm_ sure she's the one, lol |
| 14:07.31 | chouimat | prpplague: but we can be _damn_ sure at 100% |
| 14:10.04 | prpplague | chouimat: ?? |
| 14:12.10 | file | there, RAID0 is setup |
| 14:12.15 | file | chouimat: working great |
| 14:13.17 | file | oh darn it |
| 14:13.20 | file | data is still on the drive. |
| 14:13.25 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:13.27 | file | or rather, drives |
| 14:13.36 | sorphin | ~ibot cluebat file |
| 14:13.37 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps file. |
| 14:14.27 | file | how can I clear these drives? |
| 14:14.32 | sorphin | dd |
| 14:14.37 | file | chouimat: you had FreeBSD on this drive, right? |
| 14:14.51 | chouimat | prpplague: s/can//can't |
| 14:15.04 | chouimat | file: nothing on it |
| 14:15.27 | file | uh huh |
| 14:16.12 | chouimat | file I was tired to wait for the dd to finish |
| 14:16.31 | file | lol |
| 14:16.46 | chouimat | file: so a made a newfs on it :) |
| 14:16.48 | file | chouimat: what's the command for wiping? |
| 14:17.18 | chouimat | fdisk |
| 14:17.32 | file | see I did that, and it didn't work - my FAT32 partition is gone... but it's there |
| 14:17.38 | sorphin | umm |
| 14:17.50 | sorphin | chouimat: fdisk only changes the partition table, it doesn't remove data :P |
| 14:18.36 | sorphin | file: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/whatever bs=1024k |
| 14:18.42 | sorphin | chouimat: you can't |
| 14:18.49 | chouimat | i did |
| 14:19.00 | chouimat | ok I need coffeee |
| 14:19.52 | file | sorphin: and that won't screw up my system at all? |
| 14:20.00 | file | well, the drive |
| 14:20.25 | chouimat | file: that will just erase everything on the drive |
| 14:20.36 | file | great |
| 14:20.39 | file | that's just what I want |
| 14:21.27 | file | oh well, I have the time |
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| 14:22.50 | sorphin | file: gee thanks |
| 14:22.51 | file | chouimat: do you like tape or something... cause there was lots of tape |
| 14:22.52 | file | lol |
| 14:23.14 | sieve | morning all |
| 14:23.21 | sorphin | file: if i wanted to fuck up your system i woulda said: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda :P |
| 14:23.22 | chouimat | file: I wanted to be sure that the drive got on destination ok |
| 14:23.23 | sorphin | moron |
| 14:23.47 | sorphin | sieve: allo mr seperator |
| 14:24.45 | prpplague | sieve: howdy |
| 14:24.56 | prpplague | sieve: when are you gonna here back from sw? |
| 14:27.10 | file | one drive done, one to go |
| 14:27.34 | sieve | prpplague: mid next week |
| 14:28.22 | prpplague | sieve: i'll keep all 10 fingers and 12 toes crossed |
| 14:29.12 | sieve | prpplague: thanks |
| 14:30.06 | chouimat | libtool sucks |
| 14:31.10 | prpplague | chouimat: hmm, your just now realizing that? |
| 14:31.24 | chouimat | prpplague: nah worse today |
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| 14:44.29 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: a while back, did I remember you going to get a job with the Nevada Gaming Commission? |
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| 15:25.40 | CosmicPenguin | Wow. The latest rumor going around New York is that Bill Clinton is going to toss his hat in the ring for mayor |
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| 15:28.14 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:28.26 | chouimat | hey kergoth |
| 15:45.58 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: ya, I applied |
| 15:49.02 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: ah - sorry - I didn't want to bring up sore subjects |
| 15:49.37 | CosmicPenguin | I was just talking to somebody about computerized voting machines, and they expressed concern about verifying the source code on the machines (to ensure fairness) |
| 15:50.03 | CosmicPenguin | And I mentioned that they might want to contact the NGC to see how they certified computerized slot machines - I figured that the two processes would be similar |
| 15:50.30 | file | chouimat: do you have that MP3 from Evanscene(sp?) |
| 15:50.45 | chouimat | file: yup |
| 15:50.56 | file | chouimat: I may want that in a few days ;) |
| 15:51.37 | chouimat | file: ok I'm losing my internet connection the 20 or the 23th and I don't know when I will be back |
| 15:51.53 | file | chouimat: Gentoo should be done before then |
| 15:53.54 | chouimat | file: my cat is currently enjoying Ayreon |
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| 16:05.27 | Russ | poor gentoo users.. |
| 16:05.46 | sorphin | Russ: s/poor/masochistic/ |
| 16:05.54 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: I received a request for an interview, but I had already gotten another job |
| 16:10.13 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: ahh... |
| 16:23.08 | chouimat | wow! I spent 1300cad yesterday!!!! I didn't remember drinkiing that much ... |
| 16:23.19 | file | lol |
| 16:23.25 | chouimat | wait that for the plane ticket |
| 16:24.10 | file | where to? |
| 16:24.16 | chouimat | europe |
| 16:25.02 | file | interesting |
| 16:27.17 | prpplague | chouimat: ya don't worry, its just canadian money |
| 16:27.48 | chouimat | prpplague: soon cad will worth more than usd so I don't worryy :) |
| 16:28.10 | prpplague | chouimat: soon? |
| 16:28.28 | chouimat | prpplague: that depend on G.W |
| 16:28.43 | prpplague | chouimat: ? |
| 16:29.44 | chouimat | prpplague: bush economical plan :) |
| 16:29.50 | file | chouimat: can you DCC over that MP3? |
| 16:31.42 | chouimat | prpplague: the currrent joke here |
| 16:32.06 | prpplague | chouimat: ahh |
| 16:32.18 | prpplague | chouimat: kinda like the canada military is here, lol |
| 16:32.32 | chouimat | prpplague: yup .. |
| 16:32.41 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: thats ok, all of Canada is a joke to us |
| 16:32.56 | file | I'll dance alone, tears in my eyes... |
| 16:33.11 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 16:33.44 | file | I can see.... see it in your eyes, I can feel yes it feels so nice |
| 16:33.50 | file | I can tell my love is strong, touch me now you are the one |
| 16:34.09 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: probably but we laughh about las vegas because they hired celine for 3 years :) |
| 16:35.52 | file | chouimat: thanks |
| 16:36.12 | chouimat | file np |
| 16:39.24 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: I just got an offer to sample the new Via P4-ITX motherboard. |
| 16:44.11 | file | Russ: watching that would be preferable to watching GCC compile |
| 16:45.26 | Russ | then use a real distro |
| 16:46.04 | CosmicPenguin | SCO is at 10.83 and rising |
| 16:48.15 | chouimat | hmmm the cad is at 0.748590usd |
| 16:48.22 | file | Russ: A real distro? |
| 16:48.35 | file | Russ: I have, I've used a Debian variant - it was slow as molasses |
| 16:48.45 | file | Russ: Gentoo has worked alot better than that thing... |
| 16:48.49 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heh.. scary |
| 16:53.23 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I can envision the board of directors sitting around, smoking cigars, and being so proud of themselves. |
| 16:53.56 | CosmicPenguin | Not only are they looking at huge profits (since they all got their 32,000 shares at .001 / share) |
| 16:54.05 | CosmicPenguin | But they are also looking at a sizable buyout too |
| 16:54.46 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i can't figure out who/why anyone is buying SCO's stock. |
| 16:54.53 | Russ | file: ever hear of drive DMA? |
| 16:55.09 | sorphin | they have nothing to offer, their claim is bollocks |
| 16:55.27 | prpplague | sorphin: clean was of paying someone off, lol |
| 16:55.41 | Russ | file: gentoo enables all the potentially dangerous stuff in hardware, debian vairiants don't, so you have to enable it manually |
| 16:55.55 | sorphin | prpplague: what's that you unruley texan? |
| 16:56.17 | file | I still prefer Gentoo |
| 16:56.43 | chouimat | sorphin: IBM to shut them up |
| 16:56.50 | Russ | If you like watching grass grow every time you do an update |
| 16:57.01 | sorphin | Russ: my sentimate exactly |
| 16:57.13 | Russ | if their claims are invalidated, their stock will bottom out |
| 16:57.23 | sorphin | chouimat: if IBM really felt threatened |
| 16:57.31 | file | sorphin: if you go with a stage3 you already have a system. |
| 16:57.32 | sorphin | they could squash SCO like a bug |
| 16:57.37 | Russ | but by then, all the people who knew the claims were bogus and just a way to hype the stock and try to get bought out will have sold their stock |
| 16:57.48 | Russ | sounds like a .com pump and sell tome |
| 16:58.04 | sorphin | Russ: yeah, too bad SCO is a few years too late :P |
| 16:58.53 | CosmicPenguin | sadly, everything has been playing exactly like they expected it to, so far... :( |
| 16:59.02 | sorphin | indeed |
| 16:59.31 | sorphin | except they seemed to expect more response from IBM i think, and not getting to this 'revoking the license for the code in AIX' bit |
| 17:00.23 | chouimat | bob rules number 134: never left the cupboard doors open when you just bought a fresh baguette |
| 17:04.56 | CosmicPenguin | mmmm.... fresh baguette |
| 17:07.27 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: exactly what I cat tought |
| 17:08.13 | prpplague | sorphin: just saying that its probably a nice way of paying off sco or its upper management |
| 17:13.40 | sorphin | chouimat: you tought your cat to make fresh baguette? |
| 17:13.43 | sorphin | prpplague: nod |
| 17:15.40 | chouimat | sorphin: argggg thought |
| 17:21.54 | CosmicPenguin | the MTU on a Gig ethernet connection would still be 1500 wouldn't it? |
| 17:31.11 | CosmicPenguin | the MTU on ATM connections is normally a bit higher |
| 17:31.21 | CosmicPenguin | But not on ethernet |
| 17:41.59 | sorphin | umm |
| 17:42.34 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: no, you can (and should) set the gigabit mtu higher |
| 17:42.49 | Russ | course, to communicate with 10/100 devices, it needs a 1500 mtu |
| 17:57.13 | sorphin | Russ: FYI |
| 17:57.33 | sorphin | 4k or 8k would work if your nics/other network devices can handle it |
| 18:00.40 | Russ | seems broadcom requires an nda for product literature |
| 18:02.40 | Russ | I love how the first thing they say when you ask for product literature is, "that depends, who am I speaking with" |
| 18:05.07 | file | lol |
| 18:12.47 | chouimat | Russ: hehe |
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| 18:56.50 | file | hi andersee |
| 18:57.53 | andersee | file: morning |
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| 19:01.33 | sorphin | Russ: and the shock there is.... |
| 19:05.25 | sorphin | Russ: atmel's the same way for any of their AT90SC chips (if you're even lucky enough to get the NDA) |
| 19:09.28 | andersee | sorphin: I missed whatever was earlier in the conversation. But I've worked with some of Atmel's At91 chips, and they were great at supplying docs, with tons of pdfs online... |
| 19:10.41 | sorphin | andersee: yeah, w/ the 90S's too and others |
| 19:10.50 | sorphin | andersee: the AT90SC tho, is a secure micro |
| 19:10.55 | sorphin | crypto chip |
| 19:10.58 | andersee | ahh |
| 19:11.07 | sorphin | they won't even talk to you unless you're buying 10k+ quantity :P |
| 19:11.07 | andersee | different animal then I suppose |
| 19:11.15 | sorphin | yah |
| 19:12.49 | sorphin | andersee: messed w/ PICs any? |
| 19:14.36 | andersee | sorphin: nope, I'm not picky. :) |
| 19:16.29 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:16.36 | sorphin | andersee: bad pun, erik |
| 19:17.22 | andersee | sorphin: seriously though, I've never messed with PIC controllers. |
| 19:17.28 | sorphin | k |
| 19:17.45 | Russ | andersee: was attempting to get product literature from broadcom |
| 19:17.54 | Russ | going to see what their NDA looks like |
| 19:18.21 | andersee | Russ: It probably requires you to give them your firstborn son |
| 19:18.39 | Russ | the nda is probably dependant on sales volume |
| 19:19.32 | sorphin | Russ: prolly find out from sjhill |
| 19:19.44 | sorphin | since he lost his soul to them when he worked for em |
| 19:25.24 | sorphin | kergoth: now don't forget to hang up that memo bout the new cover sheets for the TPS reports so you can see it. |
| 19:25.36 | kergoth | i need to figure out how to get supplies |
| 19:25.40 | kergoth | shit's empty |
| 19:26.07 | sorphin | kergoth: 3 words |
| 19:26.09 | sorphin | Other |
| 19:26.10 | sorphin | People's |
| 19:26.12 | sorphin | Desks |
| 19:26.43 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:27.38 | sorphin | kergoth: except Tim's |
| 19:28.19 | sorphin | kergoth: meet that lisa chick yet? (one of the few TI women) |
| 19:28.19 | pmisfit | the sales guys are encouraged to be pricks like that |
| 19:28.53 | pmisfit | the cost of supporting a customer are constant. their revenue potential is not. |
| 19:28.58 | pmisfit | unfortunate but true. |
| 19:29.30 | sorphin | well, they assume, unfortunately, that because you want docs, you want support. |
| 19:34.14 | kergoth | sorphin: yeah, met most of the people. not that i remember anyone's names |
| 19:35.18 | sorphin | kergoth: well, you remember all of us |
| 19:35.37 | kergoth | yeah, i can remember names, just takes a bit |
| 19:35.43 | kergoth | besides, here i have /whois |
| 19:35.46 | kergoth | i dont have /whois in RL |
| 19:35.47 | sorphin | yeah, same here |
| 19:35.48 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:35.54 | sorphin | kergoth: well why the hell not? ;) |
| 19:35.58 | kergoth | we need augmented reality |
| 19:36.02 | kergoth | to float their damn names over their heads |
| 19:36.16 | sorphin | hehe |
| 19:36.38 | sorphin | kergoth: and i assume you've met mr stinky in person by now? |
| 19:36.44 | CosmicPenguin | mr stinky? |
| 19:36.57 | sorphin | dave |
| 19:37.13 | kergoth | nah i havent met dave yet |
| 19:37.20 | kergoth | met speedy2 though |
| 19:37.23 | kergoth | havent met sieve |
| 19:37.23 | sorphin | kergoth: from what sieve tells me |
| 19:37.30 | sorphin | kergoth: bring nose protection |
| 19:37.39 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:37.43 | kergoth | thanks for the warning |
| 19:39.18 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:43.05 | sieve | sorphin: if you meet dave just stay downwind... next to a fan....... blowing towards dave and away from you.. |
| 19:43.24 | sieve | then you *might* be ok.. |
| 19:48.16 | file | glibc time... |
| 19:52.25 | sorphin | sieve: tell kergoth, not me, he's the one that's in TX ;) |
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| 20:03.39 | Russ | sjhill worked for broadcom? |
| 20:04.42 | file | Russ: even pics of his office on his site |
| 20:08.17 | sorphin | Russ: yeah.. |
| 20:19.20 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - dillo gets all annoyed with Google News |
| 20:25.46 | kergoth | i should go get my xm boombox from home, my cube is too fucking quiet |
| 20:26.44 | file | kergoth: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 20:26.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:27.18 | Russ | I'll need to track him down |
| 20:27.28 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: xm boombox? How do you like xm? |
| 20:27.30 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: you might have to do some hacking on dillo to bring it up to snuff |
| 20:27.50 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: i like it alot actually. i have widely varied musical tastes, and 90% of it is never on normal radio |
| 20:27.56 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: its actually working pretty well - it really doesn't like REFRESH metatags |
| 20:28.05 | CosmicPenguin | it puts up a nasty message |
| 20:28.10 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: and in tx here, where i didnt bring my TV due to lack of space in the car, it keeps me sane. can listen to comedy or audio shows and stuff |
| 20:28.22 | Russ | kergoth: because I was told I could listen to my music at an acceptable level, so I am plaing my music at an acceptable level. and I said to bill, if stacey listens to her music on her headphones, I should be able to listen to my music on my radio... |
| 20:28.50 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I've been thinking about it - mainly because I live in Utah, and when you drive back and forth in Utah / Wyoming / Idaho, you get squat for radio reception |
| 20:29.02 | CosmicPenguin | and I would like to get the sports and news and listen to games ocassionally |
| 20:29.10 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: it seems to have an issue with images embedded in paragraphs |
| 20:29.12 | kergoth | Russ: hehe |
| 20:29.41 | CosmicPenguin | But I do want one of those that you can take out of the car and put in your house. Cirrius has a something like that - they call it "plug and play" |
| 20:31.47 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: i'm using one like that.. the module can plug into a car unit, home unit, or boombox |
| 20:31.57 | kergoth | i bought the latter since i dont own a stereo for my house as of yet |
| 20:32.04 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:32.22 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: cool. |
| 20:32.47 | file | dear me it's only Friday |
| 20:35.31 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.cosmicpenguin.net/misc/nxlib_dillo_1.png |
| 20:35.49 | CosmicPenguin | Screenshot of Dillo compiled with the X11 -> Nano-X conversion library |
| 20:46.11 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: you around man? |
| 20:46.20 | signal11 | yes, whats up |
| 20:46.25 | signal11 | still married? |
| 20:47.58 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: you didn't even give me a month? |
| 20:48.07 | signal11 | heh |
| 20:48.23 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: WP is playing at USANA on the 27th of July |
| 20:48.53 | signal11 | nice |
| 20:49.04 | signal11 | haven't seem them since like 96 |
| 20:49.45 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: yeah, me either. Anyway, I'm gonna try to go, especially since I'll probably be skipping Phish |
| 20:51.41 | signal11 | i hope they don't start pulling out the RAVE act against these shows |
| 20:51.50 | signal11 | that shit pisses me off |
| 20:51.57 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, they will |
| 20:52.09 | CosmicPenguin | You know they'll be dicks like that |
| 20:52.19 | signal11 | they already used it against a NORML fund raiser; and it doesn't even go into effect until like August |
| 20:52.48 | signal11 | joe biden can blow me. ok enough politics, sorry |
| 20:52.59 | CosmicPenguin | Of course, United Concerts would proably be on our side - they stand to lose alot of money on their new venue if they scare away major draws like Phish and others |
| 20:53.41 | CosmicPenguin | Anyway - it will be fun to hear WP again. I should get the new albums - I think I'm about 2 behind |
| 20:53.48 | signal11 | well the fines are pretty steep, $250K to the owner of the venue for every possession arrest they make on site |
| 20:53.53 | signal11 | from what i understand |
| 20:53.54 | CosmicPenguin | Seesh |
| 20:54.18 | signal11 | yeah thats the threat that the norml venue owners got from the DA |
| 20:54.33 | signal11 | but they are more political, therefore more of a target |
| 20:54.54 | signal11 | that's too long |
| 20:55.01 | signal11 | what do you think about the new guitar guy |
| 20:55.10 | CosmicPenguin | Haven't heard much about him. |
| 20:55.19 | CosmicPenguin | Where did he come from? |
| 20:55.33 | signal11 | no kloo |
| 20:56.47 | signal11 | i still have their whole catalog in the car |
| 20:57.12 | CosmicPenguin | I have all the albums up to "Till the Medicine Takes" |
| 20:57.35 | signal11 | well then that's what i have too since i pir8'd them from you |
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| 21:04.21 | kergoth | thats better |
| 21:04.31 | *** join/#elinux skwich (Jah@la.biquette.biz) |
| 21:04.31 | kergoth | got my xm boombox |
| 21:09.06 | jacques | damn |
| 21:09.15 | jacques | i sleep and there's tons of traffic here |
| 21:09.30 | jacques | who's saying bad things about gentoo? :-P |
| 21:09.40 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: congrats - are you going to try that board? |
| 21:10.13 | *** part/#elinux skwich (Jah@la.biquette.biz) |
| 21:11.48 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: I don't really have a project to try it on - I doubt they'll give me one |
| 21:12.32 | jacques | it's a different niche - a lot of proc but also a lot more power noise and heat |
| 21:12.37 | jacques | but still tiny |
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| 21:48.45 | file | jacques: Russ was saying bad things about Gentoo |
| 21:49.19 | jacques | bad Russ bad :-) |
| 21:49.31 | jacques | I'm even running gentoo on my ipaq |
| 21:49.46 | kergoth | gentoo rocks |
| 21:49.52 | kergoth | but i prefer debian's distributionisms |
| 21:50.13 | kergoth | jacques: you know, we're using large portions of the portage/ebuild code for the OpenEmbedded build infrastructure |
| 21:50.27 | file | Installing glibc! sweet. |
| 21:50.28 | kergoth | jacques: including amazing extensiveness and flexibility, and crosscompilation |
| 21:50.29 | jacques | debian is definitely more mature and cautious and dare I say professional, but gentoo RoXOrs!! :-D |
| 21:51.05 | kergoth | jacques: indeed |
| 21:51.57 | jacques | kergoth: fascinating - hmmm - maybe you should visit #gentoo-arm or #gentoo-embedded sometime - I think a lot of yours and their(our) goals overlap |
| 21:52.09 | kergoth | jacques: didnt know those existed :) |
| 21:52.45 | jacques | they are kinda quiet right now - heh I just noticed zwelch is here too - he's the one to talk to IMHO |
| 21:52.47 | kergoth | jacques: individual package builds are working flawlessly, I'm currently designing the portions which handle crosscompiling package sets with package interdependencies, events and event notification (email, bug submission), etc. |
| 21:53.17 | jacques | Wow |
| 21:54.03 | jacques | zwelch and Aiken were doing a lot of xcompile work too not wure if they got that far |
| 21:54.08 | kergoth | jacques: get this.. it can build from either our format build files or source rpms, and soon it'll handle builds directly from debian source package feeds |
| 21:54.13 | jacques | file: emerge -vp system |
| 21:54.14 | kergoth | jacques: we will build the world. muahaha. |
| 21:54.22 | file | jacques: I plan on |
| 21:54.25 | jacques | bwah ha ha ha HAAA! |
| 21:54.28 | file | it's installing glibc right now |
| 21:54.59 | jacques | kergoth: that sounds truly amazing |
| 21:55.09 | kergoth | jacques: check out openembedded.org |
| 21:55.19 | kergoth | jacques: thats the brainstorming center for this work |
| 21:55.20 | jacques | going now |
| 21:57.36 | jacques | excellent going to read the wiki |
| 21:58.10 | kergoth | there's a lot of just random discussion that led us to the work currently underway, not all of it coherent |
| 21:58.25 | TimRiker | anyone tried a multicast capable tftpd on linux? |
| 21:59.42 | CosmicPenguin | multicast? |
| 22:00.40 | TimRiker | yeah for booting or flash upgrading a cluster of machines. |
| 22:01.28 | TimRiker | one client sends a request for a file, the reply goes multicast, otehr clients log packets, then request the same file and only request the blocks they missed etc till everyone is done. |
| 22:05.42 | TimRiker | ~rfc 2090 |
| 22:05.43 | | extra, extra, read all about it, rfc 2090 is TFTP Multicast Option. A. Emberson. February 1997. (Format: TXT=11857 bytes) (Status: EXPERIMENTAL) |
| 22:06.14 | kergoth | TimRiker: sounds pretty smooth. |
| 22:09.30 | TimRiker | yeah. 'specially for flash upgrading a network of devices or booting a beowulf cluster. |
| 22:12.10 | kergoth | jacques: you ever get tslib to work on your tux w/o panic'ing? |
| 22:13.07 | jacques | kergoth: unfortunately, no. I am kinda stuck at the kernel and unable to get sensical ksymoops |
| 22:13.16 | kergoth | jacques: gotcha |
| 22:40.24 | CosmicPenguin | mmmm... wedding pictures |
| 22:41.02 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: that sounds cool - but I've never seen implementation like that |
| 22:43.37 | CosmicPenguin | http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PiratesOfPenguinance |
| 22:55.41 | TimRiker | ~google for rfc 3514 |
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| 23:16.56 | glytchbinary | would one of you guys nmap me and show me the output? |
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| 23:22.56 | chouimat|food | glytchbinary: still need the output? |
| 23:25.34 | glytchbinary | yes |
| 23:25.39 | glytchbinary | please (: |
| 23:25.47 | glytchbinary | if you get any |
| 23:26.00 | glytchbinary | setting up an nfs export for my tuxscreen, want to make sure its not visible to the outside |
| 23:26.38 | glytchbinary | and has anyone here gotten nfs mounts to work on tuxscreen? |
| 23:30.27 | MonMotha | it's been done |
| 23:30.32 | MonMotha | remember, it behaves just like a desktop |
| 23:30.55 | glytchbinary | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.07 | glytchbinary | and i know the network is working |
| 23:31.15 | glytchbinary | chouimat|food: any luck on the scan? |
| 23:32.04 | kergoth | glytchbinary: try with -o nolock |
| 23:32.11 | glytchbinary | i am |
| 23:32.21 | glytchbinary | mount -o nolock 10.0.0.1:/usr/local/tuxscreen /usr/local |
| 23:32.24 | kergoth | odd |
| 23:32.25 | glytchbinary | just sits there |
| 23:32.35 | kergoth | strace it? :) |
| 23:34.04 | glytchbinary | k |
| 23:34.23 | glytchbinary | no strace on the tuxscreen |
| 23:55.17 | glytchbinary | ah |
| 23:55.20 | glytchbinary | easy fix after i found it |
| 23:55.29 | glytchbinary | the nfs services needed to be added to /etc/services |
| 23:55.44 | glytchbinary | now my tuxscreen has 60gigs (: |
