| 00:00.03 | TimRiker | er later. |
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| 01:23.37 | dsmith | At my last job, I used xover office for stuff. It worked. Lotus notes mostly, but also ie (!) and visio. |
| 01:23.57 | dsmith | It's just too much of a flip to be running ie on Linux. |
| 01:24.49 | dsmith | The boss used vmware. Liked it. It was espacially good at debugging boot problems. |
| 01:36.32 | sorphin | vmware is too bloaty to me |
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| 02:15.05 | chouuimat|Zzzz | night |
| 02:15.33 | TomW | bye |
| 02:16.24 | chouuimat|Zzzz | TomW: and I'm off tomorrow night for 3 weeks :( |
| 02:16.31 | sorphin | TomW: hrm |
| 02:16.43 | TimRiker | http://halls.infogenix.com/gallery/jayce/SCO-Protest/dsc00347.jpg?width=640 |
| 02:16.44 | sorphin | i can read from the pic (w/ this programmer setup), but programming failes |
| 02:16.47 | TomW | sorphin: yeees? |
| 02:16.59 | TomW | hmm |
| 02:17.19 | TomW | brb, got to get some crackers, peanut butter & milk |
| 02:17.42 | sorphin | TimRiker: heh |
| 02:18.02 | sorphin | i'm sure her dad put that sign for her to hold :P |
| 02:22.14 | TomW | sorphin: did you get the source for his parallel prot big-banger? |
| 02:22.23 | TomW | s/prot/port/ |
| 02:23.59 | TimRiker | <brailsmt_> TimRiker: they *do* use linux <- her dad. |
| 02:24.44 | TimRiker | sorphin: he didn't even make the sign. (his wife did. ;-) |
| 02:25.35 | sorphin | TomW: yup |
| 02:25.38 | sorphin | TimRiker: heh |
| 02:26.21 | TomW | sorphin: time to go diving into his code, the data sheets, try tweaking his timing loops. |
| 02:26.56 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:27.18 | sorphin | TomW: it 'should' work right off, since i'm using his 'programmer', program and the same pic, heh |
| 02:27.41 | TomW | sorphin: you using the same computer as he is? |
| 02:27.57 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:28.17 | sorphin | TomW: i'm sure you do :P |
| 02:28.31 | TomW | yup, this "should" work... |
| 02:29.05 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:29.19 | sorphin | maybe i'll just email him :P~ |
| 02:29.20 | TomW | bit-banging can be very persnickety |
| 02:29.53 | TomW | look at the JTAG, it can be bitchy at times to get it to work with the Tux, other times it works flawlessly. |
| 02:30.18 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:30.58 | sorphin | TomW: heh, this is why i wish i could do the serial method :P |
| 02:31.12 | TomW | mmm, yeah. |
| 02:32.10 | sorphin | the signals are right when i do the 'test', so the port is being bitbanged right |
| 02:32.20 | TomW | you could always design a small control based board to take RS232 data streams to program the PIC. Wait! I know, that is what you need to do, build a programmer so you can build a programmer. |
| 02:32.46 | sorphin | all i need to do is program it once :P |
| 02:33.14 | MonMotha | TomW: that was the problem I had |
| 02:33.31 | MonMotha | I would have used my 80451 to build my flash programmer, but if I did that, I'd still have to program a flash chip! |
| 02:33.47 | TomW | catch-22 |
| 02:34.28 | MonMotha | yup |
| 02:34.35 | MonMotha | hence why I made it out of gluelogic |
| 02:34.41 | MonMotha | like $50 worth of glue logic and wires! |
| 02:34.47 | TomW | Why not look at the Needham Electronics EMP-10? http://www.needhams.com/e10.html |
| 02:34.53 | TomW | it is cheap. |
| 02:34.58 | sorphin | heh, define cheap |
| 02:35.12 | MonMotha | $220? |
| 02:35.12 | TomW | $219 |
| 02:35.14 | MonMotha | not cheap :) |
| 02:35.35 | sorphin | not cheap for something that cost < $20 |
| 02:35.42 | sorphin | and don't mention 'time' |
| 02:35.50 | sorphin | cuz i only mess w/ this on spare time, so.. |
| 02:36.30 | TomW | MonMotha: I know, I built my own programming stuff for a long time, then woke up the fact that I could be coding instead of building a programmer (no gain in doing it myself). |
| 02:37.02 | TomW | MonMotha: so, I shelled out $1200 and got the EMP30 |
| 02:37.14 | MonMotha | TomW: well, I built this so that I should be able to program other stuff with minimal modifications (both to the hardware and software) |
| 02:37.24 | MonMotha | basically, it's a huge IO expander |
| 02:38.32 | TomW | yeah, but now you need something to program the programmer with, right? :) |
| 02:39.13 | MonMotha | it's amazingly easy actually, uses EPP pport |
| 02:39.17 | MonMotha | so you just start writing to it |
| 02:39.22 | MonMotha | (or reading) |
| 02:39.33 | TomW | catch-22, sooner or later you'll have to get some type of commercial programmer, or borrow one, or, use toggle switches to program the EPROM (Been there done that). |
| 02:40.00 | sorphin | TomW: well, unlike you, i don't have $1200 lying around |
| 02:43.30 | TomW | oh, that $219 programmer of needhams' will do some of the PIC processors. |
| 02:43.45 | sorphin | nod.. |
| 02:44.01 | sorphin | i also dont' have $219 for a programmer i'll use maybe twice |
| 02:44.47 | TomW | um, maybe Wendy's is hiring? Like a week or two at the drive up window and you got a programmer? |
| 02:44.49 | TomW | heh |
| 02:46.11 | sorphin | umm |
| 02:46.30 | sorphin | as i said |
| 02:46.33 | sorphin | <sorphin> i also dont' have $219 for a programmer i'll use maybe twice |
| 02:46.35 | sorphin | tho |
| 02:46.36 | sorphin | :P |
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| 03:13.02 | sorphin | oi |
| 03:13.04 | sorphin | that was not fun |
| 03:14.02 | sjhill | tha't more excitement than i've seen today |
| 03:14.09 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:14.27 | sjhill | i've been told i have to work all weekend to fix this pcmcia bug |
| 03:14.27 | sorphin | sjhill: i'm just glad that's all it did |
| 03:14.35 | sjhill | my wife is severly pissed off |
| 03:14.54 | sorphin | nod |
| 03:15.08 | sjhill | something along the lines "i don't want to see you" was the last conversation i recall |
| 03:15.42 | sjhill | i'm extremely upset too though |
| 03:15.45 | sorphin | ack |
| 03:15.54 | sorphin | why's she pissed at *you*? |
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| 03:24.17 | Russ | sorphin: thats how women work |
| 03:24.43 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:24.44 | sorphin | not always |
| 03:31.37 | sorphin | hrm |
| 03:31.42 | sorphin | TomW: i think i see my prob... |
| 03:32.13 | sorphin | apparently the 16F877A programs slightly diff than the 877, it uses 8 instructions at a time instead of 1 |
| 04:04.55 | TomW | sorphin: so, it is a buffering problem? Shove 8 into it at a time? |
| 04:08.00 | sorphin | it's a sw prob |
| 04:08.15 | sorphin | The support isn't too difficult to do with the 16F87XA family. The |
| 04:08.15 | sorphin | primary change is that 8 program memory locations must be written at a |
| 04:08.16 | sorphin | time. |
| 04:08.21 | sorphin | instead of 1 at a time |
| 04:09.43 | sorphin | but he keeps not having the part to test w/ nor the time to code the changes |
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| 04:28.12 | TomW | sorphin: sounds typical: 'I wrote this, if you find it usefull, then fine. Otherwise don't bother me.' |
| 04:29.01 | TomW | so, you'll have to improve it and see that he gets the improvements to include into his next version? |
| 04:29.42 | sorphin | grr |
| 04:39.08 | TimRiker | how "big" are the new busybox inetd and telnetd ? |
| 04:39.37 | TimRiker | we should update tuxscreen to use unstable busybox and remove the others. ;-) that goes for udhcpc as well. |
| 04:39.57 | TimRiker | the stand alone images are inetd 24k and telnetd 32k |
| 04:41.05 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:43.30 | MonMotha | TimRiker: they certainly didn't seem to add much, but I was working in a 16MB environment, so even a couple hundred k I wouldn't have noticed (I assume they're not THAT big) |
| 04:43.40 | MonMotha | busybox also has an httpd, but no SSL I would thing |
| 04:44.51 | TimRiker | know if the busybox httpd does cgi? |
| 04:51.52 | MonMotha | yep |
| 04:51.56 | MonMotha | it's a compile time option |
| 04:54.36 | TimRiker | sweet. |
| 04:54.57 | TimRiker | so perhaps we should call it BusyBox/Linux instead of GNU/Linux ? |
| 04:55.25 | TimRiker | or is that CodePoet/Linux ? |
| 04:55.35 | andersee | ow |
| 04:55.40 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 04:56.28 | andersee | TimRiker: btw, I finally got a replacement Zaurus this week... |
| 04:56.36 | TimRiker | perhaps just non-GNU/Linux ;-) |
| 04:56.38 | andersee | TimRiker: an sl-5500 |
| 04:56.44 | andersee | TimRiker: hehe |
| 04:56.48 | andersee | I like it |
| 04:57.03 | TimRiker | CNG/Linux ? CodePoet is Not GNU ;-) |
| 04:57.46 | TimRiker | a refurb for $199? |
| 04:57.50 | andersee | yup |
| 04:57.54 | TimRiker | cool. |
| 04:58.13 | TimRiker | we just ordered 10 C750's ;-) |
| 04:58.18 | andersee | Though in this case, a token of apprecieation from a company for several hours of consulting |
| 04:58.24 | andersee | :-( |
| 04:58.57 | andersee | Feel free to send me one. :-) |
| 04:59.02 | MonMotha | are peopel still working on the DCT-5000 btw? |
| 04:59.37 | andersee | btw, you know that annoying busybox bug where mount and df would should two entries for the root filesystem? |
| 04:59.38 | TimRiker | MonMotha: I have not gotten to mine. they are here behind me still in boxes. |
| 04:59.43 | MonMotha | k |
| 04:59.47 | andersee | I finaly fixed that one last night |
| 04:59.59 | MonMotha | I've gotten my webpals workign; still need to port BLOB |
| 04:59.59 | TimRiker | andersee: hmm. yeah I think I've seen that. what caused it? |
| 05:00.06 | andersee | s/should/show/ |
| 05:00.20 | MonMotha | I gave what I had done (which was rather minimal, I've done a little more since then) to prpplague, but I dunno what happened with it after that |
| 05:00.44 | andersee | TimRiker: A kernel change somewhere mid 2.4.x -- they added a rootfs filesystem that needed to be skipped over |
| 05:00.55 | TimRiker | prpplague has been traveling, so he likely has not been working on em either. |
| 05:01.05 | MonMotha | yes |
| 05:01.10 | TimRiker | andersee: hehe. gotta love it huh? |
| 05:01.25 | MonMotha | andersee: yeah, I was wondering about that actually :) |
| 05:01.30 | andersee | TimRiker: about par for the course |
| 05:01.35 | MonMotha | I was just telling people to "ignore that line" :) |
| 05:01.57 | TimRiker | MonMotha: that's sounds like exactly what the fix was. ;-) |
| 05:01.58 | andersee | Anyway, was trivial enough to fixup one it annoyed me enough to find and fix it |
| 05:02.06 | andersee | exactly |
| 05:02.42 | TimRiker | so when's .61 replacing .60 ? |
| 05:02.49 | andersee | Apparently they added it to make pivot root a bit easier when there were still used inodes in the old root |
| 05:02.58 | andersee | TimRiker: very very soon. |
| 05:03.18 | andersee | TimRiker: I have switched over to using it exclusvely in all my projects |
| 05:03.42 | andersee | TimRiker: which means it is finally getting long delayed attention |
| 05:04.03 | TimRiker | cool. should we use it at work? I've got a big test team. ;-) |
| 05:04.20 | andersee | TimRiker: yeah, that would be good. |
| 05:04.40 | TimRiker | well you better compile a full version and update the "screenshot" ;-) |
| 05:04.50 | TimRiker | up to close to 200 applets now. sheesh. |
| 05:05.11 | andersee | I had planned on releasing uClibc 0.9.20 earlier this week, but get stuck digging into some obscure dlopen bugs |
| 05:05.14 | TimRiker | and _still_ no emacs. ;-) |
| 05:05.35 | andersee | Then I plan on releasing a new busybox stable by the end of the month |
| 05:05.49 | andersee | I still need to flush out the configuration help docs |
| 05:05.56 | TimRiker | know anyone trying Qt/Qtopia/OPIE on uClibc yet? |
| 05:06.20 | andersee | And it would be good it walk through each applet and check the usage msgs match reality |
| 05:06.30 | andersee | TimRiker: I really someone mentioning it |
| 05:06.44 | andersee | TimRiker: or at least Qt |
| 05:06.47 | TimRiker | I don't really that. |
| 05:07.07 | andersee | err |
| 05:07.12 | andersee | TimRiker: I RECALL someone mentioning it |
| 05:07.14 | TimRiker | did you make the SCO protest? |
| 05:07.15 | MonMotha | andersee: oh, did the busybox cvs server change? |
| 05:07.20 | MonMotha | I can't seem to talk to id |
| 05:07.21 | MonMotha | er it |
| 05:07.31 | andersee | MonMotha: when did you last try? |
| 05:08.05 | MonMotha | andersee: a couple days ago |
| 05:08.14 | andersee | Hmm |
| 05:08.23 | andersee | MonMotha: care to try again? |
| 05:08.26 | TimRiker | I just updated to cvs.busybox.net but over ssh, not pserver. |
| 05:09.06 | andersee | These days anon cvs is running as non-root within a chroot, but making that work properly was a royal pain in the butt |
| 05:09.20 | MonMotha | eh, works now I guess :) |
| 05:09.30 | andersee | MonMotha: :-) |
| 05:09.34 | MonMotha | yeah, I'm using pserver (just anonymous access) |
| 05:09.40 | andersee | MonMotha: you are welcome |
| 05:09.42 | MonMotha | andersee: wel,l I asked because it hadn't worked for a while |
| 05:09.49 | MonMotha | I had tried a couple times |
| 05:09.54 | MonMotha | I guess I should actually check :) |
| 05:09.59 | MonMotha | before inquiring that is |
| 05:10.08 | andersee | yeah, it was up and down for several weeks till I got the last bug sorted out |
| 05:11.47 | TimRiker | so the real cvs tree is under the chroot and the normal path links to that one? |
| 05:12.05 | TimRiker | or it's a copy? |
| 05:12.45 | andersee | TimRiker: I use mount -o bind |
| 05:12.50 | TimRiker | cool. |
| 05:13.16 | andersee | TimRiker: Seemed like most expedient way to get the tree into the chroot |
| 05:13.52 | TimRiker | a new BZFlag release got uploaded to debian a couple days ago. ;-) |
| 05:14.05 | MonMotha | you know, I've never actually played bzflag |
| 05:14.09 | andersee | Anything new / cool ? |
| 05:16.49 | andersee | TimRiker: so how is work? |
| 05:17.06 | TimRiker | andersee: new gui stuff neat/annoying color console, server now has user/password/group abilities, auto admin commands, etc. |
| 05:17.06 | andersee | TimRiker: liking it there in TX? |
| 05:17.22 | MonMotha | and I suck :) |
| 05:17.30 | TimRiker | busy busy busy busy. oh, did I mention busy? |
| 05:17.48 | andersee | heh |
| 05:18.07 | TimRiker | I've got 30ish people on my "team" with another 20 or so that I'm the final tech contact for. |
| 05:18.17 | andersee | TimRiker: still networking the TI equivalent of a gameboy? |
| 05:18.32 | TimRiker | heh. more or less. ;-) it'll be fun. |
| 05:18.49 | andersee | TimRiker: but will it play games? |
| 05:18.52 | TimRiker | I spend all week in meetings with very little coding time these days. |
| 05:19.12 | andersee | ick |
| 05:19.33 | TimRiker | well, the OMAP has an arm9 + a DSP. the DSP has to do something.... /me is looking for a complete OpenGL DSP codebase. ;-) |
| 05:19.50 | andersee | heh |
| 05:20.09 | TimRiker | a handheld with hw 3d would be cool. ;-) |
| 05:20.41 | MonMotha | yes it would |
| 05:21.32 | andersee | TimRiker: for now I guess you could just put a .ogg codec in the dsp |
| 05:21.34 | andersee | :) |
| 05:21.42 | TimRiker | I'm trying to get a free SDK for the DSP. |
| 05:22.05 | TimRiker | let the community hack on it. |
| 05:23.15 | TimRiker | we have mp3/wma/jpeg/mpeg/etc codecs, but not for Linux yet. Might have those ready before release. |
| 05:31.35 | andersee | sigh |
| 05:31.41 | andersee | I need to get a faster cpu |
| 05:31.58 | andersee | Rebuilding toolchins takes way too long |
| 05:32.34 | andersee | Anyone have a spare dual Athlon 3Ghz they want to donate? |
| 05:34.30 | andersee | bummer |
| 05:34.34 | andersee | :) |
| 05:38.38 | MonMotha | I didn't think AMD made athlons rated to run at 3GHz |
| 05:38.59 | MonMotha | what are you using tho? |
| 05:39.58 | andersee | I don |
| 05:40.08 | andersee | I don't think they do yet.. |
| 05:40.21 | MonMotha | andersee: I can let you use my desktop if it's faster than what you've got :) |
| 05:40.29 | MonMotha | 1.2 tbird |
| 05:40.40 | MonMotha | not exactly a screamer these days, takes abtou 1.5hr to do a toolchain |
| 05:40.46 | MonMotha | yeah, yours is faster than mine |
| 05:42.37 | andersee | AMy motherboard will allow me to go up to a 266 Mhz FSB Athlon XP 2600+ |
| 05:43.22 | andersee | One of these days when I get some spare money I'll probably spring for one of those.. |
| 05:43.50 | andersee | An extra 1Ghz shouldn't hurt |
| 05:46.16 | TimRiker | to bad none of the large hardware types need uClibc or BusyBox work done. |
| 05:46.37 | TimRiker | not working on a s390 uClibc port yet? ;-) |
| 05:46.53 | andersee | not currently, no... |
| 05:46.55 | andersee | :) |
| 05:50.55 | jacques | yeah my barton 2500+ (333/512kb cache) procs rock |
| 05:52.05 | jacques | but my dual 1800+ is still faster with -j2 |
| 05:52.36 | jacques | sucks - I paid $200 each for the bartons nd now they are $100 at Fry's |
| 05:53.33 | andersee | but my wife would really really kill me for spending that much money |
| 05:53.45 | jacques | its a bit strange - dual athlon mothrboards are really scarce these days it seems |
| 05:54.20 | jacques | eh |
| 05:54.21 | jacques | heh |
| 05:55.02 | andersee | I |
| 05:55.18 | andersee | I'll have to try and get the government to buy me one |
| 05:55.33 | Russ | I'm going to try for a bigger monitor |
| 05:55.34 | jacques | lol I bet I know wht you need that for |
| 05:55.41 | jacques | (3d card) |
| 05:57.41 | Russ | its really the 1600x1200 I need, doesn't matter if it 17"' 19", or 21" |
| 05:57.52 | Russ | a matching set would be nice for dual head though |
| 05:57.58 | Russ | also, it'd be nice if they were lcd |
| 05:59.28 | Russ | anyway, its time for some long overdue bf1942 |
| 05:59.44 | Russ | andersee: I'll get a draft of that release done this weekend and send it off to you |
| 06:00.13 | andersee | Russ: cool |
| 06:00.43 | andersee | Russ: I dunno what happened to my dad today. Guess he got busy w/other things |
| 06:01.38 | jacques | heading home |
| 06:01.55 | jacques | (does anyone really *want* to move to allas?) |
| 06:01.58 | jacques | Dallas |
| 06:02.42 | TimRiker | hehe. well perhaps not. but it's not as bad as I thought it would be. |
| 06:03.12 | jacques | TimRiker: that's good to hear |
| 06:03.21 | andersee | TimRiker: but awfully hot |
| 06:03.30 | TimRiker | I'm amazed at how many people really love it here. |
| 06:03.47 | TimRiker | I'm driving with the top down most of the time still. but it'll get hotter. |
| 06:04.06 | andersee | Does your car even have an a/c? |
| 06:04.26 | TimRiker | Russ in in AZ, so it's not hotter than that. higher humidity though. |
| 06:04.31 | jacques | dallas gets both hotter and colder than houston |
| 06:04.54 | TimRiker | yep. when I'm out around lunch time, I'm glad it does. |
| 06:05.06 | TimRiker | (have ac) |
| 06:05.30 | jacques | now really heading home |
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| 06:37.21 | glytchbinary | now i've been using openmotif's mwm or evilwm for a few years |
| 06:37.27 | glytchbinary | the other day i decided to try dropline gnome |
| 06:37.30 | glytchbinary | bad idea |
| 06:37.42 | MonMotha | heh, GNOME |
| 06:37.43 | glytchbinary | decided i didn't like it and when i rmoved it it totally fucked over my system |
| 06:37.47 | glytchbinary | so |
| 06:37.52 | glytchbinary | i'm reinstally anyway |
| 06:37.58 | glytchbinary | might as well give debian a shot |
| 06:38.02 | MonMotha | I have a horrendous FVWM config that I use |
| 06:38.07 | MonMotha | it does what I need it to |
| 06:38.11 | glytchbinary | i do like the apt-get at work |
| 06:38.17 | glytchbinary | evilwm is for me |
| 06:38.28 | glytchbinary | few small changes to the source and its nice |
| 06:38.37 | glytchbinary | i like mwm over fvwm |
| 06:38.41 | glytchbinary | just something simple |
| 06:38.46 | glytchbinary | all i want it to do is manage windows (: |
| 06:38.54 | glytchbinary | maybe a right click on root menu |
| 06:39.54 | TimRiker | andersee: what's different for .udeb vs .deb ? |
| 06:40.14 | TimRiker | just not required to meet policy and have depends on smaller units? |
| 06:40.27 | TimRiker | ie: no file format differences? |
| 06:41.45 | glytchbinary | i used windowmaker for a good while |
| 06:41.54 | fontenot | i use a dead wm - flwm |
| 06:41.56 | glytchbinary | i've kinda settled on evilwm though |
| 06:42.20 | glytchbinary | although sometimes i miss the ability to minimize... |
| 06:45.54 | glytchbinary | with evilwm you have: alt-tab window switching, 8 virtual desktops, window borders(single color # pixel border(configurable in source)), move, resize, maximize(keyboard shortcut) |
| 06:46.13 | glytchbinary | the binary is 19k |
| 06:46.51 | fontenot | yeah I might switch to evil - but I need to be able to change virtual desktops with the F keys - I have patched flwm for that |
| 06:47.35 | glytchbinary | in evil by default its ctrl-alt-(left/right arrow) or ctrl-alt-# to switch |
| 06:47.43 | fontenot | too many keys |
| 06:47.43 | glytchbinary | but its super easy to change stuff in is source |
| 06:48.05 | fontenot | for almost a decate I have used F keys - I am stuck now |
| 06:48.08 | fontenot | decade |
| 06:48.22 | fontenot | yeah that little source should be easy to change |
| 06:48.24 | glytchbinary | well its more convenient for me to tap ctrl-alt-left/right on my ibm m series full sized keyboard (: i have to reach a bit for the f keys |
| 06:50.09 | fontenot | i need random access - I use different numbers for different things |
| 06:50.39 | glytchbinary | TimRiker: what version of debian are you running ? |
| 06:50.47 | glytchbinary | i think i'll get testing |
| 06:50.56 | glytchbinary | 30r1 |
| 06:51.06 | glytchbinary | any suggestions for or against? |
| 06:52.50 | andersee | TimRiker: correct |
| 06:53.51 | andersee | TimRiker: no file format differences. .udebs are for the debian installer, and therefore need not comply with Debian policy (i.e. no docs, reduced features, whatever) |
| 06:54.04 | TimRiker | andersee: yep. thanx. |
| 06:54.41 | TimRiker | glytchbinary: I run unstable everywhere except rikers.org which is running stable. |
| 06:56.46 | glytchbinary | well this will be a desktop/server(web,ssh,ftp, and locally nfs,telnet) i've already gotten 60MB of the 30r1 image, i'll just use it |
| 06:56.52 | MonMotha | glytchbinary: testing is popular |
| 06:57.20 | MonMotha | stable is usually horribly out fo date for anything requiring even remotely recent stuff (like apps under development), but is great for servers where the stuff you are using is relatively stable itself (like apache, samba, etc) |
| 06:57.37 | MonMotha | unstable will pretyt much always have the latest and greatest, but something is always broken :) |
| 06:57.44 | MonMotha | I run unstable, but just don't run dist-upgrade :) |
| 06:59.48 | glytchbinary | k |
| 07:00.38 | glytchbinary | after the install i'll put on.. naim,gaim,vim,mozilla,compilers,apache/php/embed perl... and add everything else as i need i guess |
| 07:00.54 | glytchbinary | oh damn.... |
| 07:01.19 | glytchbinary | i just thought about apache and realized i ddin't take a backup of my mysql database before i whiped the / ... |
| 07:01.36 | glytchbinary | i think i have one from a few days ago in my home dir.. |
| 07:01.42 | glytchbinary | hope its not missing to much |
| 07:01.46 | MonMotha | which reminds me...I need to install MySQL on a client's system |
| 07:02.07 | glytchbinary | setup a cronjob to run mysqldump regularly, i never got around to doing that |
| 07:02.18 | glytchbinary | i'll do that first thing after getting mysql on the new system |
| 07:02.46 | glytchbinary | i could have bought a new system if my freaking car didn't hate me and liked breaking so much |
| 07:02.50 | glytchbinary | sigh... |
| 07:06.04 | MonMotha | crap, no slackware package for phpmyadmin |
| 07:06.12 | MonMotha | oh well, I guess this is why they pay me for sysadmin work :) |
| 07:06.20 | glytchbinary | (: |
| 07:06.46 | glytchbinary | phpmyadmin doesn't really give you many benefits... that you couldn't do yourself i think |
| 07:07.40 | MonMotha | well, it's a handy interface for performing quick tweaks to the raw db when some odd thing comes up that your web interface wasn't designed for |
| 07:08.36 | glytchbinary | mysql -u user -h host |
| 07:08.44 | glytchbinary | type stuff (: |
| 07:08.45 | MonMotha | yeah yeah |
| 07:08.46 | glytchbinary | quit |
| 07:09.03 | MonMotha | it's an interface that normal people (like my clients) can kinda comprehend too |
| 07:09.24 | glytchbinary | ah |
| 07:09.56 | glytchbinary | i actually hit a mysql/php problem this week where the script got killed by php cause it hit 8MB of mem usage |
| 07:10.03 | glytchbinary | looked at the code again |
| 07:10.16 | MonMotha | if you can use access, you can probably manage to use the generic DB interface presented by phpmyadmin (not using it for any actual admin tasks) |
| 07:10.40 | glytchbinary | took the mem usage down to about 1/4th really increased the speed and took the code from 12 to 4 lines |
| 07:10.59 | MonMotha | heh |
| 07:11.05 | MonMotha | how did you manage to hit 8MB in 4 lines? |
| 07:11.08 | MonMotha | er 12 |
| 07:11.11 | glytchbinary | ..... |
| 07:11.16 | MonMotha | must have been doing something odd |
| 07:11.25 | glytchbinary | comparing 11000 columns and displaying the results.. |
| 07:11.32 | MonMotha | and no, calling malloc doesn't count :) |
| 07:11.34 | glytchbinary | 11000 table entries |
| 07:11.40 | MonMotha | ah...isn't that a job for the SQL server? |
| 07:11.54 | glytchbinary | well i have 2 tests |
| 07:12.03 | glytchbinary | each 11000 table entries(subtests) |
| 07:12.09 | glytchbinary | for the first one |
| 07:12.26 | glytchbinary | i want to compare each of its subtests to every subtest in the second... |
| 07:12.37 | glytchbinary | and display a nice pretty graphical diff |
| 07:13.08 | glytchbinary | so after awhile i came up with a much smarter way of doing it than reading all entries into two arrays and iterating through them |
| 07:13.32 | glytchbinary | now it uses one array half the size of the total subtests for the 2nd test and runs in a little bit less time |
| 07:13.37 | glytchbinary | and is 8 lines shorter |
| 07:13.51 | glytchbinary | i found a way to do it with no arrays and using almost no mem, but its way to slow |
| 07:14.14 | MonMotha | I guess it depends on the tests invovled |
| 07:14.19 | MonMotha | I'd have to see the code |
| 07:15.47 | glytchbinary | hmm... it's ti's code now |
| 07:19.47 | glytchbinary | what is the max speed the tux can communicate over its serial port? |
| 07:19.51 | glytchbinary | sending data |
| 07:20.59 | TimRiker | ~115200 * 2 |
| 07:21.00 | | 230400 |
| 07:23.38 | glytchbinary | 230k? |
| 07:23.43 | glytchbinary | bytes.. what? |
| 07:32.39 | fontenot | anyone know how to reset my X pointer ? something strange happened to it - it's stretched and does not point to right place |
| 07:33.08 | TimRiker | glytchbinary: yeah. 230400 bps |
| 07:33.14 | MonMotha | did anyone ever figure out what was up with the tux "blue X screen" thing? I found a workaround (don't run X from the console on the tux, but start it off the serial port instead), but it's just odd |
| 07:33.40 | TimRiker | er... that's bits per second, no bytes. |
| 07:34.11 | TimRiker | MonMotha: nobody fixed it as far as I know. |
| 07:34.38 | MonMotha | well, do we even know the cause? |
| 07:34.45 | TimRiker | the iPAQ used to have a similar issue years back it's probably the same kernel fix, but I've not gone looking for it. |
| 07:34.47 | MonMotha | (I'm not an X person really) |
| 07:34.57 | MonMotha | ah, it was a kernel thing (framebuffer I'm guessing?) |
| 07:35.09 | TimRiker | I seem to recall that was the case. |
| 07:35.15 | MonMotha | k... |
| 07:35.20 | MonMotha | I'll ask the hh.org people about htat |
| 07:35.31 | MonMotha | I've recently been tinkering with my tux |
| 07:35.36 | TimRiker | it's ancient history to them. good luck. |
| 07:35.39 | MonMotha | need to have all my gadgets ready to impress the roommate :) |
| 07:35.41 | MonMotha | yeah... |
| 07:36.02 | TimRiker | lend jg your tux and see if he'll fix it. ;-) |
| 07:36.10 | MonMotha | TimRiker: heh, never know :) |
| 07:36.22 | MonMotha | he's certainly a cool guy (all the CRL folks are) |
| 07:36.51 | MonMotha | I went to the last dev weekend...Jamey had a fix for ipkg done before I was done filing the bugzilla bug (though that was partially because the laptop I had sucked :) |
| 07:45.08 | fontenot | i thought it had something to do with starting X on a vx which was in use by a shell |
| 07:45.19 | fontenot | s/vx/vc/ |
| 07:46.21 | fontenot | sigh looks like I have to kill X to fix this stupid pointer |
| 07:46.42 | fontenot | it's way off in the vertical dimension |
| 07:48.50 | fontenot | probably a big in nvidia's stupid binary drivers |
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| 07:54.46 | fontenot | fun |
| 07:56.19 | fontenot | sigh. I had a script that made toolchains (I thought from someone here) but I lost it |
| 07:56.31 | fontenot | it was so much more convenient than making them manually |
| 07:57.07 | MonMotha | that I can believe |
| 07:57.30 | fontenot | i wanna experiment with gcc 3.3 / ARM |
| 07:58.02 | andersee | fontenot: it works |
| 07:59.21 | fontenot | andersee: you have a gcc3.3 / uclibc xtoolchain already done? :-) |
| 08:01.16 | fontenot | i have too many damn directories with overlapping content - ipaq tuxscreen gentoo lfs |
| 08:01.35 | andersee | fontenot: http://www.uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/toolchain/gcc-3.3/ |
| 08:02.46 | andersee | fontenot: I also just switched over the uClibc buildroot to using gcc 3.3 |
| 08:02.55 | fontenot | andersee: aaah thanX0rs! |
| 08:02.55 | andersee | fontenot: http://www.uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ |
| 08:03.22 | andersee | but for now... |
| 08:03.41 | fontenot | :-D |
| 08:03.53 | andersee | night all |
| 08:09.42 | MonMotha | speaking of buildroots...I need to make one for my little router on a flash card dealie |
| 08:09.55 | MonMotha | would have made my life with recompiling it for i386 much easier |
| 08:43.52 | fontenot | grrrr |
| 08:43.58 | fontenot | something screwey |
| 08:44.12 | fontenot | why is it trying to build libiberty ? |
| 08:45.55 | fontenot | it bails when trying to configer libiberty |
| 08:46.14 | fontenot | says the compiler cannot create executables - well no shit - it's a cross-compiler |
| 08:48.32 | fontenot | I'm going to be upset if it works for i386 |
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| 09:03.23 | fontenot | yep, it builds an i386 chain |
| 09:03.25 | fontenot | sigh |
| 09:09.53 | fontenot | bad andersee |
| 09:10.09 | fontenot | removed old kernel headers so I cant even easily try an older version of the makefile |
| 09:11.16 | fontenot | heh I just copied 2.4.21 to 2.4.18 |
| 09:19.01 | fontenot | hmm gonna check if this is a redhat problem |
| 09:29.09 | fontenot | hmm problem might be with the changes he made 3 hours ago |
| 09:40.41 | fontenot | hmm yep, might be the new binutils |
| 09:41.02 | fontenot | binutils breaks xtoolchain building every time it's updated |
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| 15:24.05 | chouimat | morning |
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| 16:31.31 | file | hi Master MIPS |
| 16:34.12 | sjhill | lo' file |
| 16:36.19 | file | how're you? |
| 16:36.52 | sjhill | pretty crappy overall |
| 16:36.57 | file | :( |
| 16:36.59 | sjhill | i'm at work....being forced to wrok |
| 16:37.10 | file | damn |
| 16:56.07 | glytchbinary | ext3 or reiser... |
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| 18:07.59 | Russ | glytchbinary: ext3 |
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| 18:45.41 | sorphin | neither |
| 19:10.41 | glytchbinary | why is that sorphin |
| 19:10.46 | chouimat|pack | sorphin: http://rumandmonkey.com/widgets/tests/maniac/ |
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