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| 00:21.50 | pmisfit | Russ: depends on how tangled up the traces get. if all 6 layers are used, you may have topology issues when converting it to 2 layer. |
| 00:23.01 | pmisfit | aha. bad maintainer, bad. |
| 00:23.29 | pmisfit | test `arch = "x86" |
| 00:23.33 | pmisfit | bastards! |
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| 01:06.59 | chouimat | re |
| 01:20.36 | chouimat | file: sorry |
| 02:09.47 | Russ | pmisfit: while routing density is an issue, it isn't the overriding one |
| 02:12.05 | Russ | how many kiddies out there looking to be 3lite will be defacing wikis? |
| 02:18.18 | chouimat | Russ: 123257938753987395375983753985739873985379853798375987 |
| 02:18.32 | fontenot | "um, all of them I think" |
| 02:19.04 | Russ | why not just say 10^55 |
| 02:19.30 | chouimat | Russ: becaause is not as impressive ;) |
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| 03:24.28 | Russ | "Solder mask must not cover gold fingers" -- AGP Spec 2.0 |
| 04:01.05 | pmisfit | that |
| 04:01.11 | pmisfit | is bizarre. |
| 04:01.35 | pmisfit | massive unresolved symbols in a ppc kernel. basic things like kfree, printk, request_irq... not found?! |
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| 12:38.49 | file | mmm |
| 12:48.20 | Morn | re's |
| 13:12.27 | file | $40 USD for a Proxim Symphony Ethernet Bridge & PCMCIA Card... |
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| 13:25.11 | file | GPSFan: greetings |
| 13:38.37 | GPSFan | good morning file: how's CA today? |
| 13:40.41 | file | GPSFan: hot. |
| 13:41.07 | file | my days of sleeping in are over too... cause I have to get up at 7:30AM for work, and then on the weekends/Friday it's hot so it wakes me up at 9AM |
| 13:42.07 | GPSFan | wow, I wish I could sleep in till 7:30!, even on weekends... |
| 13:46.17 | file | :) |
| 13:54.50 | file | AHA! I found a Novell Netware client that won't crash my laptop if I browse through My Computer |
| 14:01.42 | file | GPSFan: and how is your day going? |
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| 15:18.35 | GPSFan | file: going ok, just got in from morning chores. Starting to get warm, +70F already, heading for +90F or more today. Gotta get a machine network booting today, having some difficulty. |
| 15:21.01 | file | ic |
| 15:21.54 | file | it's 90F here right now |
| 15:22.58 | GPSFan | file: it's a challenge, the machine only has a serial port & ethernet, can get at the bios via the serial port, but no kbd, mouse, or video is available. It has PXE support, and I can get a kernel loaded and running, but am having trouble with init and the nfs file system. |
| 15:23.31 | file | :( |
| 15:25.49 | GPSFan | I know it can be done with this machine because I've had it network boot from a ClusterKnoppix CD mounted on another machine running ClusterKnoppix. It boots and joins the cluster, unfortunately I can't ssh in because of some password problem. |
| 15:26.12 | file | GPSFan: sacrifice an animal, spin around three times, and throw it against the wall |
| 15:26.47 | GPSFan | file: tried that last night at midnight, no full moon, so it didn't work...;>) |
| 15:27.01 | file | darn... :) |
| 15:28.08 | file | GPSFan: mmm got any wifi gear to sell... or was it you I already asked |
| 15:31.19 | GPSFan | file: it isn't proxim RangeLan2 is it? |
| 15:35.31 | file | ...anything lol |
| 15:35.36 | file | I'm looking at Proxim Symphony stuff |
| 15:35.47 | file | I found an ethernet bridge and pcmcia card for $40 USD buy it now on EBay |
| 15:43.03 | GPSFan | file: try Halted Specialties, they have PCI PCMCIA ethernet adapters for cheap: http://www.halted.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/cgi-local/smpagegen.exe?U+scstore+bwhd2036ff9c569c+-p+-c+scstore.cfg+19737 |
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| 15:44.12 | file | GPSFan: that's no good |
| 15:44.14 | file | GPSFan |
| 15:44.18 | file | GPSFan: $100 minimum order |
| 15:45.19 | GPSFan | file: $10.00, not $100.00.... |
| 15:46.01 | file | I'm in Canada |
| 15:46.10 | file | lol |
| 15:46.26 | GPSFan | ;>( sorry about that.. |
| 15:48.35 | file | good try :) |
| 15:49.47 | file | GPSFan: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3034143427&category=40992 |
| 15:52.37 | file | the only thing is I dunno if the card they have is Cardbus or not :\ |
| 15:58.43 | GPSFan | file: hmm, that PCMCIA card looks like it is cardbus, the grounding area by the connector is how you can tell by just looking. |
| 15:59.11 | file | yeah but my research has shown that the model number they gave is 16-bit |
| 15:59.51 | file | I think they just googled for an image and got the Cardbus one (wrong one) |
| 16:00.43 | GPSFan | file: k, I've had some problems with the mmcx connectors on the symphony cards comming out. the RangeLan2 cards seem more robust, and are compatible. |
| 16:00.55 | file | GPSFan: also more expensive... |
| 16:01.02 | file | what range can you get on a RangeLan2? |
| 16:03.59 | GPSFan | file: the pcmcia cards have the same power output as the symphony cards which is 30mw If I remember correctly, the symphony ethernet adapters are 100mw, which is the same as the non-XR RangeLan2 ethernet adapter. With a 24db antenna at the client and an 8db antenna at the access point I've gotten 3-5 miles. |
| 16:04.19 | file | wow |
| 16:04.46 | file | well I get my pay check Thursday... so if it's enough I MIGHT buy that EBay item I gave you the URL for if it's not cardbus |
| 16:04.48 | file | as it's just what I want |
| 16:05.56 | GPSFan | my connection to the net is via rangelan2 hardware, I am 2.4 miles from the accesspoint, I get about 500kbps up and down. I have an RL2 ISA card (100mw) and the access point is a Harmony RL2AP (500mw). |
| 16:07.01 | GPSFan | file: the symphony radios are not quite as good as the rangelan2, but are cheaper. |
| 16:07.10 | file | yeah |
| 16:07.31 | file | in your humble opinion is $40 for a PCMCIA/Cardbus Card and an ethernet bridge good? |
| 16:07.54 | GPSFan | file: btw the tangelan2 radios sensitivity is about -77dbm which is poor compared to today's 802.11b radios (at the same BER) |
| 16:09.30 | GPSFan | file: if those the pcmcia card and ethernet adapter work, then the price there isn't bad, the Halted ethernet adapter is $US10.00 cheaper, but you ARE in Canada. |
| 16:09.50 | file | aye |
| 16:10.01 | file | plus I don't want to have to rely on another computer to hande bridging |
| 16:12.15 | GPSFan | file: people in town have used the PCMCIA cards over 1000 feet from the access point with only small antenna to get 128Kbps. The blade antenna on the card is useless for all but very short range, there used to be an external antenna option for the Rangelan2 pcmcia cards, you might have to hunt one down. |
| 16:12.31 | file | mmm |
| 16:12.43 | file | nifty |
| 16:14.15 | GPSFan | it's a standard MMCX connector which you can get a pigtail for from lots of places (~$US20) then a larger antenna (even the pringles type can work) can be added. |
| 16:14.31 | file | :) |
| 16:14.49 | file | so you mean... I could be in the park about 7 houses down and have net access maybe? |
| 16:15.09 | GPSFan | file: btw Rangelan2 hardware is used on Shuttle and ISS. |
| 16:15.19 | file | scary |
| 16:16.44 | file | GPSFan: Sounds neat |
| 16:17.10 | GPSFan | file: original work done by NASA Ames flew on STS-74. http://ic-www.arc.nasa.gov/ic/projects/WNE/wne-config.html then flew on MIR to test RF interference. http://ic-www.arc.nasa.gov/ic/projects/mir-DTO/index.html |
| 16:20.10 | file | GPSFan: So contrary to what the page says (150-300ft) the Proxim Symphony stuff has pretty good range? |
| 16:22.29 | GPSFan | file: I have not had had that much experience with symphony, but RangeLan2 does have good range. Remember that antennas, feedline, connectors are all important. If you are just wandering around with a pcmcia card and blade antenna (what you see on the card) you will get what they say, but with a bit of work you can get much more. |
| 16:29.01 | file | GPSFan: Thanks for the info |
| 16:36.36 | GPSFan | file: sure, np... |
| 16:40.05 | file | GPSFan: heh - do you have a 3Com 3c515 ISA NIC? |
| 17:08.05 | pmisfit | i've been told that gps chips are cheap and plentiful: complete with NMEA-compliant serial output. but... haven't been able to FIND any :-( |
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| 17:47.01 | file | hey hey hey |
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| 18:08.30 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
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| 18:11.05 | prpplague | Russ: hey was that pc/104 board dead? |
| 18:12.51 | file | hi prpplague |
| 18:13.14 | prpplague | file: yo |
| 18:16.36 | file | waddup? |
| 18:23.09 | Russ | ya |
| 18:24.30 | file | prpplague: do you have any ISA cards? |
| 18:25.06 | Russ | like I said though, I bet I know what part is bad... |
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| 18:40.19 | Russ | 'Emily: mom called to say to me, "i'm glad u arent a lesbian"' |
| 18:59.20 | file | darn GPSFan is gone... |
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| 19:08.28 | file | GPSFan: that Proxim Symphony PCMCIA card is 16-bit, non-cardbus :) |
| 19:09.51 | Russ | darn Albert Einstien is gone... |
| 19:12.53 | Russ | hmm...its not working, did you use some special irc command file? |
| 19:13.22 | Russ | maybe it only works on people who aren't dead |
| 19:13.30 | Russ | darn johnc is gone... |
| 19:55.03 | prpplague | Russ: ok, shall i send you a couple more? |
| 19:58.51 | file | prpplague: take the silence as a yes |
| 20:01.12 | file | GPSFan: still concious? |
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| 20:34.40 | file | GPSFan: still concious? |
| 20:34.42 | file | grrrr |
| 20:38.28 | Russ | prpplague: you have these things stacked to the ceiling or something? |
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| 20:44.42 | prpplague | Russ: lol, i had to have 2000 made on the first run |
| 20:44.49 | prpplague | Russ: i have about 50 left over, lol |
| 20:45.54 | Russ | you made them? |
| 20:46.55 | prpplague | Russ: yep, my very first nightmare |
| 20:47.15 | Russ | which parts of what did you do? |
| 20:47.17 | prpplague | Russ: thats the mb for the tcsx-1 |
| 20:47.29 | prpplague | Russ: its just an stpc reference design |
| 20:47.44 | prpplague | Russ: i did the schematic, had it layed out in tawain |
| 20:47.48 | prpplague | ibot: tcsx-1 |
| 20:47.49 | | tcsx-1 is probably http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8485254374.html |
| 20:49.26 | Russ | It looks like its U1, but I'm not sure |
| 20:49.32 | Russ | its the voltage reference next to the CPU |
| 20:49.54 | prpplague | ya, my big mistake |
| 20:50.01 | Russ | is it underrated? |
| 20:50.15 | prpplague | the regulator is underrated and doesn't have enough cooling |
| 20:50.45 | Russ | I think its that part that went bad and now has low resistance between vcc and gnd |
| 20:50.55 | prpplague | most of the ones i have running here, i removed it and used a 3 wire set to move it to a large heat sink |
| 20:51.07 | prpplague | ya thats pretty common failure |
| 20:52.54 | Russ | so it'd probably better just to order a higher rated regulator on digi-key tehn |
| 20:53.32 | file | did somebody say tcsx-1? |
| 20:53.38 | prpplague | ya, and get a large screw on heat sink |
| 20:55.28 | Russ | too bad chips and tech is no more |
| 20:55.49 | file | and how are you two doing on this fine summer day? |
| 20:57.22 | Russ | staying cool |
| 20:57.35 | Russ | finally getting this cpld thing done, verilog is cool |
| 20:57.42 | file | :) great |
| 20:57.49 | Russ | can't wait to design an ASIC |
| 20:58.17 | Russ | you could write something in verilog, and boot linux off it |
| 21:01.02 | file | sounds nifty |
| 21:05.43 | Russ | sandra bullock as, "The n00b" |
| 21:06.00 | file | ahhhh so true... |
| 21:06.08 | prpplague | Russ: chips and tech? lol |
| 21:06.28 | Russ | there are very few video chip makers left |
| 21:06.33 | file | prpplague: have any wifi gear? or a 3com 3c515 isa nic? |
| 21:06.36 | Russ | trident, nvidia, and ati |
| 21:06.48 | Russ | (trident bought sis) |
| 21:06.50 | file | trident... my laptop uses a trident chipset... |
| 21:07.12 | prpplague | Russ: sorry, i was thinking a pun on shatner "tek war" stuff, just sounded fun when you said that |
| 21:07.34 | Russ | ..right |
| 21:08.05 | Russ | but the end result is that I have to use a trident chip that has nearly 500 pins (bga) for my design |
| 21:09.11 | prpplague | Russ: yikes |
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| 23:25.41 | file | hi GPSFan... again |