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| 05:22.35 | Russ | wonderfull, now we have micheal jackson on our side |
| 05:24.17 | Russ | man, must suck to be the spectator that brought down lance armstrong |
| 05:29.39 | Russ | oi, so I plan to sign for a house tomorrow...it only rains when you wash your car I guess |
| 05:30.28 | Russ | http://money.cnn.com/2003/07/21/markets/bondcenter/bonds/index.htm |
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| 13:12.07 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:12.52 | pb_ | morning |
| 13:47.54 | CosmicPenguin | Morning folks |
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| 14:20.51 | chouimat | grrrr konversation crash on dcc send |
| 14:30.48 | Russ | morning |
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| 14:31.33 | legodude | I need to pulse a pin at ~3-4mbit |
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| 14:31.40 | legodude | any ideas of what interface to use? |
| 14:31.55 | legodude | I was thinking maybe some sort of usb? |
| 14:32.22 | Russ | you might use a sa1100 gpio |
| 14:32.51 | legodude | hrm |
| 14:32.58 | legodude | you think webpal could handle it? |
| 14:32.58 | prpplague | legodude: ideas for what? |
| 14:33.06 | prpplague | legodude: sorry to make you repeat :) |
| 14:33.07 | legodude | I need to pulse a pin at ~3-4mbit |
| 14:33.10 | legodude | np |
| 14:33.13 | legodude | that's all there is to it |
| 14:33.25 | Russ | just might, may have to be doing *just* that |
| 14:33.32 | Russ | depending on your margins |
| 14:33.34 | CosmicPenguin | Thats what I was going to say |
| 14:33.48 | legodude | I want to fool around with spdif |
| 14:33.57 | Russ | since latency in linux isn't paticularly reliable |
| 14:34.28 | CosmicPenguin | you need to poll the in pin on SPDIF at 3-4 mbit? |
| 14:34.35 | legodude | output |
| 14:35.04 | CosmicPenguin | oh - pulse, not poll |
| 14:35.09 | CosmicPenguin | my mistake |
| 14:35.19 | legodude | np |
| 14:35.26 | legodude | Signal bitrate is 2.8Mhz (Fs=44.1kHz), 2Mhz (Fs=32kHz) and 3.1Mhz (Fs=48kHz). |
| 14:35.32 | legodude | haha |
| 14:35.46 | legodude | it's already 4:30 in afternoon here so I'm wide awake |
| 14:36.00 | legodude | I'd like to have as low as latency as possible on the output end |
| 14:36.02 | Russ | or you could just use one of the high speed serial interfaces on the sa1100 |
| 14:36.10 | legodude | so avoid buffering and whatnot |
| 14:36.17 | Russ | its 0730 here |
| 14:36.29 | legodude | are those accessible from linux on webpal/tux? |
| 14:36.56 | Russ | dunno- |
| 14:37.18 | legodude | I was thinking maybe a usb chip of some sort |
| 14:37.26 | legodude | FTDI has ones that can do that bitrate |
| 14:39.54 | legodude | ick |
| 14:39.57 | legodude | "For CD audio at |
| 14:39.57 | legodude | 44.1 Ksps the line rate is 5.6448 megabaud and the effective data rate |
| 14:39.57 | legodude | is 2.8224 Mbps or 352.8 kilobytes per second." |
| 14:40.18 | legodude | even worse than I thought |
| 14:40.20 | CosmicPenguin | Hmmm.... radio or music? |
| 14:40.25 | legodude | music |
| 14:40.40 | CosmicPenguin | heh - |
| 14:40.45 | CosmicPenguin | I was asking for myself right now - I didn't even realize it matched your topic |
| 14:40.54 | legodude | haha |
| 14:40.54 | legodude | well |
| 14:40.56 | legodude | music still |
| 14:41.11 | CosmicPenguin | music it is |
| 14:41.21 | prpplague | Russ: btw, i totally forgot, you still want a couple of those pc104 boards? |
| 14:41.49 | Russ | I'm still going to try just grabbing a stronger regulator |
| 14:41.53 | Russ | haven't got around to it yet |
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| 14:42.26 | prpplague | Russ: i'll drop a couple boards in tomorrows mail, same address? |
| 14:42.38 | Russ | same address |
| 14:42.51 | legodude | sorphin been around lately? |
| 14:43.04 | CosmicPenguin | Not since the other day |
| 14:43.11 | pb_ | prpplague: what's the latest with your hackkit boards, are those available to buy now? |
| 14:43.31 | prpplague | pb_: project was scrubbed |
| 14:43.43 | prpplague | pb_: time caught up with the project |
| 14:44.07 | prpplague | pb_: my latest revision of the board uses a cheap cirrus logic arm core |
| 14:44.22 | pb_ | prpplague: ah, that's a shame |
| 14:44.28 | pb_ | prpplague: which cirrus part are you using? |
| 14:44.53 | prpplague | pb_: yea, the company i'm working for is moving away from embedded dev, so things have been very dead here for me |
| 14:46.05 | prpplague | pb_: the 7500 |
| 14:46.10 | prpplague | pb_: just like the webpal |
| 14:46.30 | pb_ | ah right, cute. |
| 14:46.32 | prpplague | pb_: but i also have a proto board for the sharp 79520 |
| 14:46.33 | pb_ | hardware floating point :-) |
| 14:46.47 | prpplague | pb_: all i really do is just use reference designs |
| 14:46.55 | prpplague | pb_: i'm not exactly an EE |
| 14:47.03 | prpplague | pb_: just a back room tinkerer |
| 14:47.09 | pb_ | prpplague: right. |
| 14:48.20 | TomW | prpplague: I am designing a card for the webpals that will be a 10BaseT + quad serial + compact flash card. |
| 14:48.25 | TomW | prpplague: isa |
| 14:48.38 | prpplague | TomW: wow, nice |
| 14:48.52 | prpplague | TomW: webpal only? |
| 14:49.28 | TomW | prpplague: I've got 4 of the webpals and decided to mock-up a demo of a system to a customer by using modified webpals to show the concept. |
| 14:49.43 | CosmicPenguin | Are commas valid in an URL post field? |
| 14:49.44 | legodude | you going to sell em/publish design? |
| 14:50.00 | TomW | should be.. |
| 14:50.10 | TomW | publish yeah |
| 14:50.25 | TomW | sell, don't know, why, you have some webpals? |
| 14:50.26 | legodude | neato |
| 14:50.30 | legodude | ya |
| 14:50.30 | legodude | 2 |
| 14:50.38 | legodude | just now getting NICs for them |
| 14:50.38 | TomW | :) |
| 14:50.53 | legodude | I am _very_ slow with my projects |
| 14:51.05 | TomW | I am going to use the CS8900A LAN chips. |
| 14:51.17 | legodude | ah |
| 14:52.26 | TomW | I have a bunch of those here. |
| 14:53.17 | prpplague | TomW: too bad you don't use a proxim2.5 chipset instead, lol |
| 14:53.30 | TomW | what's that |
| 14:53.37 | legodude | are the netsilicon ARMs nice? |
| 14:53.39 | prpplague | TomW: 802.11b wireless |
| 14:53.46 | TomW | yuk |
| 14:53.46 | prpplague | legodude: NO |
| 14:53.53 | legodude | hehe |
| 14:53.53 | legodude | nm |
| 14:54.07 | legodude | are there any ARMs with ethernet that are nice? |
| 14:54.20 | TomW | yeah, cirrus has one. |
| 14:54.25 | prpplague | legodude: netsilicon is a divison of digi, and there complete ass's about using linux on their products |
| 14:54.34 | legodude | ah |
| 14:54.35 | TomW | unfortunately, it is uBGA |
| 14:54.40 | legodude | ick |
| 14:54.43 | legodude | I can't touch that |
| 14:54.53 | Russ | no reflow available? |
| 14:54.57 | legodude | haha |
| 14:54.58 | legodude | nope |
| 14:55.23 | prpplague | legodude: i called once to get a dev board, they got all my info, charged my creditcard, never sent it, but they spammed my email box everyday for 6 months wanting me to buy support on a board i never got |
| 14:55.32 | legodude | how much was dev board? |
| 14:55.36 | legodude | linux support would be nice |
| 14:55.39 | legodude | but not essential |
| 14:55.50 | prpplague | legodude: essential for me :) |
| 14:56.03 | legodude | ja |
| 14:56.17 | prpplague | legodude: running linux i mean, just don't tell them that your gonna run linux and you'll be ok |
| 14:56.22 | prpplague | legodude: 3k |
| 14:56.26 | legodude | ah |
| 14:56.27 | legodude | haha |
| 14:56.27 | TomW | prpplague: I looked at NetSilicon, but felt that they were too rinky-dink a company and forgot about them. |
| 14:56.30 | legodude | that's way outta my buget |
| 14:57.21 | legodude | hrm |
| 14:57.24 | legodude | rabbit boards look nice |
| 14:57.27 | legodude | cheap with ethernet |
| 14:57.30 | TomW | legodude: seems that a lot of companies are now charging BIG $$$ for their dev boards. |
| 14:57.33 | prpplague | legodude: not that good |
| 14:57.49 | prpplague | legodude: just looking for something to dev with? |
| 14:57.50 | legodude | ya |
| 14:58.00 | legodude | and I don't like tux/webpal so much |
| 14:58.03 | prpplague | legodude: order a lart board, i think jdb still has some |
| 14:58.04 | legodude | cause I don't have all docs etc |
| 14:58.30 | TomW | legodude: you need schematics for the webpal? |
| 14:58.50 | prpplague | legodude: http://www.earthlcd.com/marmalade.htm |
| 14:59.11 | legodude | lart looks way cool |
| 14:59.19 | legodude | didn't codeman design that? |
| 14:59.23 | legodude | from the I-Opener site? |
| 14:59.23 | TomW | legodude: this is what I have: http://www.openhardware.net/webpal/index.html |
| 14:59.32 | prpplague | legodude: no |
| 14:59.39 | prpplague | legodude: check out the ppl page |
| 14:59.50 | prpplague | legodude: jdb and erikm were lead developers |
| 15:00.26 | legodude | ah |
| 15:00.27 | legodude | nm |
| 15:01.35 | legodude | hrm |
| 15:01.37 | legodude | lart is cheap |
| 15:01.41 | legodude | but shipping would be bitch |
| 15:01.50 | legodude | and I probably can't get it shipped to Spain before I leave |
| 15:02.49 | legodude | lart is really shiny |
| 15:03.20 | legodude | has anyone tested the ethernet board? |
| 15:04.32 | prpplague | Russ: hmm need some work, lol - http://www.linuxdevices.com/jobs/JB4375639323.html |
| 15:05.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: for that matter it says offsite so you might be interested |
| 15:05.29 | Russ | prpplague: umm...I think thats our posting |
| 15:05.37 | prpplague | Russ: ha is it? lol |
| 15:06.08 | Russ | so it'd be working with a gui on a possibly non-existent framebuffer |
| 15:06.21 | prpplague | lol |
| 15:06.26 | Russ | (gui would be vnc overlay) |
| 15:06.40 | legodude | small world :P |
| 15:09.43 | CosmicPenguin | That guy spammed the Microwindows mailing list too |
| 15:09.51 | CosmicPenguin | VNC overlay? |
| 15:10.01 | legodude | vnc server? |
| 15:10.19 | legodude | no actual display hw, just the vnc? |
| 15:11.23 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: is it for real, or is it just vaporware? |
| 15:16.14 | Russ | since I'm doing the hardware, I sure hope its not vaporware |
| 15:20.19 | CosmicPenguin | Wow. |
| 15:20.25 | CosmicPenguin | Why Microwindows, if I may ask? |
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| 15:24.36 | Russ | I think largely dependancies |
| 15:27.36 | legodude | hrm |
| 15:27.40 | legodude | looks like it may be LART |
| 15:28.13 | legodude | anyone used the atmel USB + AVR chips? |
| 15:28.46 | prpplague | TimRiker: hey tim |
| 15:28.52 | prpplague | TimRiker: hows the show? |
| 15:29.39 | TimRiker | checked in and working on my slides. |
| 15:31.19 | kergoth | ibot: tuesday |
| 15:31.19 | | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday). |
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| 16:07.11 | legodude | shit |
| 16:07.19 | legodude | 230pounds != 230 euros |
| 16:08.04 | legodude | gah |
| 16:08.13 | legodude | good deal more than I thought |
| 16:08.18 | sieve_work | morning all |
| 16:08.28 | legodude | mornin |
| 16:08.33 | legodude | well |
| 16:08.38 | legodude | good evening |
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| 16:43.24 | gatofisch | hrm |
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| 17:01.13 | Russ | morning andersee |
| 17:09.24 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 17:09.31 | CosmicPenguin | andersee |
| 17:14.55 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 17:14.56 | andersee | Russ: morning |
| 17:24.02 | legodude | the FTDI parallel usb chips look really nice |
| 17:24.09 | legodude | up to 1mbyte/sec |
| 17:24.47 | legodude | are there parallel->serial converter chips that can operate that fast? |
| 17:25.06 | legodude | cause I need a really fast serial stream |
| 17:26.29 | kergoth | sync serial i assume? |
| 17:26.40 | legodude | nada |
| 17:26.43 | kergoth | cause you wont get very far with an rs232 async 1mbyte/sec stream |
| 17:26.50 | kergoth | few inches maybe? |
| 17:26.50 | legodude | spdif |
| 17:26.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:27.10 | legodude | basically I need to twiddle a led that fast |
| 17:27.16 | legodude | and that's it |
| 17:27.34 | legodude | I think that I am probably making it far harder than it should be |
| 17:29.52 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - If I couldn't afford to go to OLS, what chance do the LinuxWorld people have? |
| 17:29.57 | CosmicPenguin | Quit sending me emails |
| 17:31.40 | Russ | andersee: any legal news? |
| 17:52.54 | andersee | Russ: nope |
| 17:53.22 | andersee | Russ: My dad sent out follow up nasty letters to Belkin and Buffalo. Still no response |
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| 18:23.02 | legodude | atmel arms? |
| 18:27.10 | andersee | legodude: been there done that |
| 18:27.17 | legodude | what about em? |
| 18:27.27 | legodude | how are the dev kits? |
| 18:27.36 | legodude | I have really warm and fuzzy feelings about Atmel from their AVRs |
| 18:29.02 | andersee | legodude: I did an uClinux port for the Atmel AT91 arm7tdmi cpus some time ago |
| 18:29.27 | andersee | They do a fine job of making lots of useful docs available, and their hardware worked nicely |
| 18:29.28 | legodude | are they nice chips to work with? |
| 18:29.33 | andersee | yep |
| 18:29.34 | legodude | neat |
| 18:29.38 | legodude | you use their dev kits? |
| 18:31.05 | andersee | I did not have one of their dev kits. Someone else had used their EB40 or EB41 dev board, and used it as a reference for the hardware they created and I used when doing the port |
| 18:31.42 | legodude | ah |
| 18:34.35 | legodude | the more I read about FTDI's stuff the more shiny it looks |
| 18:35.34 | Russ | andersee: have we even sent a follow up nasty to linksys? |
| 18:35.45 | legodude | ooh |
| 18:35.48 | legodude | what did they do now? |
| 18:36.00 | Russ | some old, same old |
| 18:36.17 | legodude | ah |
| 18:36.20 | andersee | Russ: last I heard from Linksys was July 15th |
| 18:36.23 | legodude | the gnu firmware without source? |
| 18:36.23 | andersee | Subject: Re: Fw: Linksys |
| 18:36.23 | andersee | From: "Chu, Sherman" <schu@cisco.com> |
| 18:36.23 | andersee | Cc: "Darian B. Andersen" <dband@buslaw.net> |
| 18:36.23 | andersee | TomW`gone: andersen@codepoet.org |
| 18:36.23 | andersee | X-Original-To: andersen@codepoet.org |
| 18:36.24 | andersee | X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 |
| 18:36.26 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.28 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.31 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.32 | andersee | X-Spam-Level: |
| 18:36.39 | andersee | Thanks for your input. The Linksys technical folks are digging into your |
| 18:36.39 | andersee | questions - all the the software in question is from Linksys' suppliers |
| 18:36.40 | andersee | (Linksys doesn't have the source code to this software), so we have to work |
| 18:36.42 | andersee | with these suppliers to address any concerns. I know they're working on |
| 18:36.44 | andersee | this, I will be on vacation from 7/18 to 7/27, I should be able to get back |
| 18:36.46 | andersee | to you shortly thereafter. |
| 18:37.22 | andersee | legodude: specifically firmware with code in it from Russ, me, and from some others |
| 18:37.48 | andersee | legodude: My dad ("Darian B. Andersen" above) is a lawyer, and has been sending out nasty-grams |
| 18:37.56 | legodude | nice |
| 18:38.02 | legodude | didn't know that was you guys doing it |
| 18:38.08 | andersee | legodude: with a limited degree of improvement... |
| 18:38.23 | legodude | this is one of their access points, no? |
| 18:38.30 | legodude | with busybox and whatnot? |
| 18:38.45 | andersee | http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?prid=508 |
| 18:38.58 | andersee | As well as |
| 18:39.00 | andersee | http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=201522&pcount=&Product_Id=136493 |
| 18:39.02 | andersee | and |
| 18:39.08 | andersee | http://www.buffalo-technology.com/products/wireless/wbr-g54.htm |
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| 18:45.31 | gatofisch | sorry about that |
| 18:45.32 | gatofisch | Spain is amazing |
| 18:45.40 | gatofisch | is there a catsup feature for ibot? |
| 18:58.46 | legodude | ah |
| 18:58.53 | legodude | found prices on AVR boards from atmel |
| 18:58.54 | legodude | not bad at all |
| 19:01.01 | legodude | be back in 30-45 |
| 19:01.57 | jacques | sourceforge is experiencing massive packet loss |
| 19:02.10 | chouimat | jacques: as usual |
| 19:02.15 | CosmicPenguin | So things are prtty normal then? |
| 19:02.17 | CosmicPenguin | Thats good |
| 19:02.49 | jacques | well usually it's not greater than 70% as it it now - on the final hop |
| 19:03.08 | jacques | but yeah, don't get me started on sourcescourge |
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| 19:22.55 | jacques | hmm still getting > 70% packet loss on last ho pto sourceforge |
| 19:27.44 | TimRiker | jacques: that's "normal". they have rules to do that. |
| 19:28.58 | jacques | oh. hmm. OK - I only checked because their site was extremely slow |
| 19:29.19 | jacques | but you are saying that eve nwhen their site works fine it would be losing that many ping packets? |
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| 19:55.21 | Russ | All of the available user positions on this Servey are currently in use. Please try again later. |
| 19:55.33 | legodude | whazzat? |
| 19:56.00 | Russ | they either misspelled survey, or server, I'm not sure which |
| 19:56.19 | legodude | ya |
| 19:56.22 | legodude | that they did |
| 19:56.26 | legodude | I first read it as server |
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| 21:03.35 | legodude | only then move on to ARM |
| 21:03.36 | legodude | maybe |
| 21:31.14 | legodude | ethernut is way cool |
| 21:31.32 | legodude | decently fast avr, network, for like $150 |
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| 22:04.42 | chouimat | ouch the motorhead version of Metallica's Enter Sandman is way better |
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| 23:01.56 | Russ | ouch, pretty serious slamming of the bbc by nypost http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/1190.htm |
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| 23:18.10 | jacques | andersee: kudos on the promise sata driver thing! |
| 23:21.36 | andersee | jacques: :-) |
| 23:22.19 | andersee | jacques: Though in truth it was primarily my client, with just a bit of pushing on my part... |
| 23:25.07 | jacques | it's always good to see something like that |
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| 23:31.32 | prpplague | evening all |
| 23:32.22 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 23:32.26 | CosmicPenguin | ello |
| 23:32.37 | prpplague | howdy |
| 23:33.12 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: scott apparently is sending me a check today |
| 23:33.27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: but he thinks I'm going to be around to continue developing next month |
| 23:33.34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: which I'm not |
| 23:33.49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I predict issues, so I don't plan on spending the money right off the bat |
| 23:34.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 23:38.22 | CosmicPenguin | yello |
| 23:40.31 | file | neophyte |
| 23:41.00 | prpplague | file: ya ya, never said i could spell |
| 23:41.38 | file | I'm irritated |
| 23:41.53 | file | I bought 2 laptops and a PCMCIA NIC off of EBay, and the 2 sellers both won't return my e-mails |
| 23:42.58 | CosmicPenguin | It sounds like they're planning on awarding the two $15 million dollar rewards for Saddam's sons |
| 23:43.06 | prpplague | file: fun |
| 23:43.19 | file | they're both businesses too... so I have no clue why they won't |
| 23:43.24 | prpplague | file: i just finished a dispute with someone from ebay, had to go through squaretrade |
| 23:43.54 | file | prpplague: what was the squabble about? |
| 23:48.11 | prpplague | file: i paid, he didn't send |
| 23:48.30 | file | prpplague: reputable seller (according to feedback)? |
| 23:48.48 | prpplague | file: nope |
| 23:50.01 | file | like the laptops were from a computer recycling computer in Baltimore and a NIC from a PC Store/thingy in Vancouver |
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