| 00:03.10 | Russ | can you get a pinout of the CPU? |
| 00:03.50 | jacques | maybe - it *is* broadcom and we know how much they love to give out info |
| 00:03.55 | jacques | (not) |
| 00:09.53 | jacques | bah broadcom doesn't have datasheets on their site - they want you to request them and talk to a salesperson it looks like |
| 00:10.16 | jacques | this is the cpu http://www.broadcom.com/products/4702.html |
| 00:13.07 | jacques | hmmm broadcom has AP reference designs which look somewhat like the linksys board - I wonder if broadcom sold them the OS as well |
| 00:13.23 | jacques | Production quality AP and Router reference code |
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| 00:14.23 | jacques | wb andersee |
| 00:17.26 | jacques | "The Broadcom BCM4702 integrates a 125MHz MIPS32 core along with two 10/100 Ethernet MACs, PCI 2.2 host, PCMCIA host, and USB 1.1 host/device interface operation" |
| 00:25.30 | andersee | jacques: thx |
| 00:36.10 | jacques | andersee: I just realized I changed 2 things at once with my gcc 3.3.1 toolchain - I also deleted the patch you said was no longer needed |
| 00:36.49 | jacques | do you think that patch could have screwed up my 3.3 toolchain so that it didn't make bootable pxa kernels? |
| 00:39.38 | sorphin | jacques: and sign an nda :P |
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| 00:47.07 | jacques | hi TomW |
| 00:47.24 | TomW | hello, what's up on your side of the world? |
| 00:47.44 | jacques | installing new OS on some compromised machines |
| 00:47.55 | TomW | heh, joy! |
| 00:48.03 | jacques | we've been hit very hard by attacks on mod_ssl |
| 00:48.14 | Russ | jacques: broadcom did sell them the OS package... |
| 00:48.20 | TomW | heh |
| 00:48.43 | TomW | of course, it was the 'end all be all' solution, no need to upgrade it.. |
| 00:49.00 | jacques | Russ: do you think broadcom included the GPL'd code? |
| 00:49.57 | jacques | TomW: they remote exploit apache/mod_ssl/openssl and then local root exploit any unpatched kernel before 2.4.21 |
| 00:51.02 | TomW | I guess that is why I don't have the mod_ssl activated on my apache. I just didn't understand how to use the bugger, so I turned it off. |
| 00:51.57 | TomW | Well, I have the Quad Serial port routed, the 10BaseT is routed, now to add the Compact Flash / IDE interface. |
| 00:59.07 | sorphin | TomW: yo |
| 00:59.34 | TomW | sorphin: where you been hiding? |
| 00:59.38 | sorphin | TomW: got a programmer (from olimex via peter anderson) for my PIC, it works great, and cost me $13 |
| 00:59.58 | TomW | sorphin: heh, cool, so you ready to do some webpal stuff? |
| 01:00.13 | Russ | jacques: I'm sure of it |
| 01:00.17 | Russ | not all of it |
| 01:00.21 | sorphin | TomW: soon as i solder these wires to my webpal programmer :P |
| 01:00.43 | TomW | sorphin: I am just finishing up laying out an ISA board for the webpal. |
| 01:00.54 | sorphin | TomW: for.... |
| 01:00.57 | Russ | TomW: cool, whats the board do? |
| 01:02.04 | TomW | sorphin: 10BaseT, two RS232, two RS485, a Compact Flash socket (will need slot cut on the front panel to insert it) and a small perf / breadboard area. |
| 01:02.16 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:02.19 | sorphin | TomW: only 1 prob |
| 01:02.22 | TomW | ? |
| 01:02.36 | sorphin | gonna run all the extra needed signals to the board from the cpu? |
| 01:03.01 | sorphin | and the southbridge |
| 01:03.19 | TomW | sorphin: only one signal needs to be run (jumper) for INT9 to the ISA slot. Everything else is already there. |
| 01:03.43 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:03.47 | sorphin | i dunno how :P |
| 01:04.05 | sorphin | seeing as you can't even use but a few specific ethernets because of lack of sigs |
| 01:04.17 | TomW | Since I need 9 bit communications as well as 8 bit, I am using the Phillips SC28L194 QUART. |
| 01:04.44 | TomW | sorphin: the CS8900A from Cirrus is easy to implement, done it before. |
| 01:05.15 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:05.33 | TomW | Russ: I am still a little leary of the 8 / 16 bit access to the ISA slot though.. |
| 01:05.59 | sorphin | TomW: as you should be ;) |
| 01:06.24 | TomW | Russ: it shouldn't be a problem as the 33.6K modem is 8 bit data bus and the RT8019 ethernet card is 16 bit data, both work ok. |
| 01:06.35 | TomW | Russ: ? opinion ? |
| 01:06.55 | Russ | whats the problem? |
| 01:08.14 | TomW | Russ: I have only designed using the MOT 68EZ328 (16 bit data bus, big endian), the ARM ISA is 16bit little endian. Doesn't ARM have probs with fetching on even boundries for bytes? |
| 01:08.59 | TomW | The 68EZ328 had to align it's byte fetches on 16 bit boundries. |
| 01:10.35 | Russ | no, it can do 16 bit accesses on even addresses |
| 01:11.02 | Russ | you try a 16 bit access on an odd address, you have a problem, same with 32 bit access on an even (but not word aligned) address |
| 01:11.18 | Russ | are you looking at the lart schematics? |
| 01:11.47 | TomW | Russ: no |
| 01:11.57 | TomW | Russ: webpal schematics |
| 01:12.17 | Russ | look at the lart cs8900a implementation too |
| 01:13.55 | Russ | it would actually be really screwed up for the samsung processor I have now |
| 01:14.02 | TomW | they start off the A0 of the ISA bus as tied to A2 of the CPU. That is odd as they must fetch the ISA on 32bit boundries. But, I am not sure if ARMv3 could do byte fetches. |
| 01:14.24 | Russ | the io config register would need to be reprogrammed between 8 and 16 bit devices |
| 01:14.34 | Russ | who does? |
| 01:15.16 | TomW | IIRC, some of the early ARM processors had a limitation where the smallest unit they could access was 16bits of data, 8bit fetches (read/write) came later in the ARM family series? |
| 01:15.18 | Russ | the samsung processor shifts the address lines over one for 16 bit memory spaces, and 2 for 32 bit memory spaces "for you" |
| 01:15.28 | Russ | I don't know about early arm processors |
| 01:15.31 | Russ | mainly sa1100 |
| 01:15.41 | Russ | and the arm940 thingy |
| 01:16.14 | TomW | Russ: k, yeah, this ARM cpu does that: shifts address lines to the right one bit, etc. |
| 01:16.35 | TomW | have to read some more in the data sheet.. |
| 01:17.07 | Russ | the only way you wouldn't have to do reprogramming between accesses is if two memory regions can both access the isa bus |
| 01:17.41 | Russ | don't forget to tie A0 of the cpu to A1 of the cf slot (I think, don't count on that) |
| 01:18.59 | TomW | Russ: _that_ was the problem that I could see, the increment of ISA signal A0. |
| 01:19.33 | Russ | so your isa A2 is connected to CPU A0? |
| 01:20.07 | TomW | Russ: well, I have a perf board that will plug into that slot, maybe toss together a circuit and write a quick kernel module to see how it should be wired. |
| 01:20.15 | TomW | Russ: correct |
| 01:20.29 | Russ | in the end, you may need to bring in A1 and/or A0 |
| 01:20.30 | Russ | dunno |
| 01:20.36 | TomW | Russ: no no, CPU A2 is connected to ISA A0. sorry |
| 01:21.00 | Russ | thats what I mean...I suppose |
| 01:21.49 | TomW | AHHHHHHHHHHHH! I wonder if the RT8019 can be selected to run in either 8 / 16 bit bus mode?! Maybe that is why so many ethernet cards don't work in the webpal? |
| 01:22.06 | sorphin | possible |
| 01:22.06 | TomW | ouch |
| 01:22.38 | TomW | Well, time to wire up that perf board than and do some reading of data off the board. |
| 01:22.43 | Russ | the cs8900a can run in 8 or 16bit mode |
| 01:22.53 | TomW | Russ: yeah, but.. |
| 01:22.59 | TomW | ;) |
| 01:22.59 | Russ | I wish processers with that option would make it configurable |
| 01:23.31 | TomW | pee-ing data through an 8 bit port is not my idea of performance |
| 01:24.53 | TomW | Well, one objective of this project is also to do some practical design against an ARM processor. |
| 01:25.24 | sorphin | TomW: good luck ;) |
| 01:54.54 | Russ | whew, batteries on everything held.... |
| 01:58.40 | sorphin | Russ: eh? |
| 01:58.55 | Russ | power went out for about a second |
| 01:58.58 | sorphin | ah |
| 01:59.09 | Russ | my roommates computer probably took a dump though |
| 01:59.19 | sorphin | but most is on 1 of em |
| 01:59.37 | sorphin | so it doesn't last long |
| 02:01.13 | jacques | i have 3 500's I can get 10 minutes if I'm lucky |
| 02:01.41 | sorphin | jacques: well, the prob is |
| 02:02.37 | sorphin | i have a 1ghz athlon w/ a 350W supply + a dual PPro box + a k6/2-450 + a SS20 + the 1605 + the dsl modem on it |
| 02:02.38 | sorphin | :P |
| 02:03.04 | sorphin | it used to be where if you put anotehr disc in any machine |
| 02:03.15 | sorphin | overload would be a disc indicator :P |
| 02:03.47 | sorphin | i did take the buzzers out of both UPSes.. too damn noisy |
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| 02:15.23 | jacques | sorphin: heh sounds a bit loaded |
| 02:15.43 | sorphin | yup |
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| 02:17.14 | sorphin | GPSFan: re |
| 02:17.31 | GPSFan | sorphin: hey dan, how's it going... |
| 02:18.01 | sorphin | GPSFan: got a programmer for my PICs, flashed one, bout to get crap (wires) soldered up to the webpal programmer |
| 02:18.21 | GPSFan | best of luck... |
| 02:18.40 | Russ | uh-oh |
| 02:18.45 | sorphin | GPSFan: piece of cake ;) |
| 02:18.45 | Russ | now the pover is staying off |
| 02:18.50 | sorphin | Russ: doh |
| 02:19.03 | Russ | ya |
| 02:19.07 | Russ | thats a doh |
| 02:19.15 | Russ | beeping.... |
| 02:19.26 | Russ | what for the "connection reset by peer".... |
| 02:19.26 | sorphin | that's why i removed mine ;p |
| 02:19.27 | GPSFan | big thunderstorm across the valley, maybe comming this way. ;>( |
| 02:20.06 | Russ | ack! |
| 02:20.11 | Russ | the airconditioning isn't on UPS |
| 02:20.21 | Russ | its getting hot in here |
| 02:20.26 | sorphin | Russ: uhh |
| 02:20.30 | Russ | and the battery on the rack UPS just about died I think |
| 02:20.36 | sorphin | the the A/C would kill a UPS like a laser printer would |
| 02:20.50 | Russ | I know...but its getting hot |
| 02:20.58 | sorphin | Russ: portable fan |
| 02:21.01 | Russ | ya, the rack ups is about to lose it |
| 02:21.55 | sorphin | GPSFan: you know you're sad when 2 900's isn't enough |
| 02:23.23 | sorphin | welp, off to (de)solder |
| 02:23.40 | GPSFan | sorphin: yep, I have a 400 and a 700. the 700 has a 17AH batt, rather than the original 7AH. they can run the stuff ok, but not for long. |
| 04:48.02 | sorphin | welp, it no program atm.. emailed bill for pointers |
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| 08:22.32 | Russ | so I'm the victim of a "switching error" |
| 08:22.42 | Russ | http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0728Outage.html |
| 08:23.13 | Russ | jeez |
| 08:23.22 | Russ | I'm surprised the people doing the work didn't kill themselves |
| 08:23.34 | Russ | "Salt River Project workers, who were working on a 500,000-volt transmission line in the West Valley, apparently did not re-open a ground switch after making the repairs |
| 08:23.49 | Russ | "The error directed electricity into the ground rather than into homes and caused a momentary power outage for SRP customers at about 7 p.m." |
| 08:24.22 | Russ | which of course cascaded into 70,000 homes, for about 2 hours.... |
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| 08:45.47 | fontenot | Russ: that really sucks |
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| 14:16.09 | prpplague | morning all |
| 14:16.17 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 14:18.43 | mallum_ | hey |
| 14:20.43 | prpplague | wow, the canopy group is starting to look pretty evil these days |
| 14:21.01 | CosmicPenguin | no offense to levi, of course... :) |
| 14:21.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: levi is with canopy? |
| 14:21.48 | CosmicPenguin | Linux Networx, IIRC |
| 14:21.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 14:23.31 | sorphin | no sympathy for working w/ the devil :P |
| 14:24.57 | CosmicPenguin | Well, at this point, Linux Networx is the only game in town |
| 14:30.01 | sorphin | ibm launches the 1st mini strike |
| 14:31.01 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah - I'm disapointed. I was hoping the whole SCO distribution of Linux thing wouldn't be their first argument |
| 14:32.57 | sorphin | yeah |
| 14:33.01 | sorphin | guess the lawyers are still sleeping |
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| 14:33.47 | sieve_work | morning all |
| 14:40.19 | sorphin | lo |
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| 14:58.10 | sorphin | TimRiker: mornin timmy |
| 15:05.13 | levi | Good morning. |
| 15:08.32 | Russ | what time does frys electronics open? |
| 15:09.00 | Russ | nm, 8am |
| 15:21.36 | mallum_ | mmm frys |
| 15:21.41 | mallum_ | is there a fry's in LA ? |
| 15:26.42 | sorphin | haha |
| 15:27.03 | sorphin | while doing my hotornot moderating, just came across a young chick wearing a unix shirt :P |
| 15:27.20 | CosmicPenguin | hottie? |
| 15:29.23 | sorphin | yeah, looks a bit too young tho |
| 15:30.48 | sorphin | hence why i had to give her the big "Reject" red button |
| 15:40.59 | jnork | Tsk. |
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| 15:42.59 | jnork | http://www.nonken.net/sigs/klx_4.jpg |
| 15:43.39 | levi | Heh. |
| 15:44.30 | jnork | The guys in the forum I was frequenting didn't like the "fat" women I was posting. |
| 15:44.31 | jnork | http://www.nonken.net/sigs/klx_1.jpg |
| 15:44.58 | jnork | So I made up a Windows version: http://www.nonken.net/sigs/kw_1.jpg |
| 15:45.33 | jnork | Needless to say, I got lynched. |
| 15:47.32 | levi | Ow. |
| 15:50.52 | jnork | Heh, heh |
| 15:51.30 | jnork | I had fun with that one, especially the message that Windows might be a tad bloated. :) |
| 15:54.59 | CosmicPenguin | Aeee, caramba |
| 16:00.15 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: memory assocation - every time you think of Windows, you willl think of that picture |
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| 16:06.51 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: no, i'll think of the OS that i can actually do all my dvd stuff under :P |
| 16:08.18 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: Microsoft - What do you want to pirate today? |
| 16:12.08 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: not necessarily :P |
| 16:15.12 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: here, someone submitted this, and i'm pasting it just for you :P |
| 16:15.23 | sorphin | http://pix2.hotornot.com/pics/HQ/H8/NZ/HZ/NZS8G8GXMLXH.jpg |
| 16:16.03 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I think I dated her sister! :P |
| 16:16.11 | sorphin | prolly did :P |
| 16:53.32 | kergoth | yo |
| 16:58.55 | jnork | LOL |
| 17:34.21 | sorphin | TomW`busy: flasher wouldn't flash |
| 17:51.37 | kergoth | Russ: hah, your backlight stuff.. suspend/resume is hokey because the fb_backlight_set function schedules a task.. it then promptly suspends, wakes up, *then* shuts off the backlight. lol |
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