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06:08.24Russibot: 56c
06:08.24bugger all, i dunno, Russ
06:43.53TomWRuss: Ibot is a geek mathematician:  it can do complex math, but it cannot do the simple shit
06:48.31Russibot: cos(2*Pi)
06:48.31Russ: I wish you would RTFM.
06:48.39Russibot: RTFM
06:48.39hmm... rtfm is read the f*cking manual... try asking me about "FAQ"
06:48.45Russibot: FAQ
06:48.46well, faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/
06:48.46TomWlol
06:48.54TomWheh
06:49.04Russummmm
06:49.08TomWibot: f*ck you
06:49.09TomW: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?
06:50.21Russibot: why don't you go play a nice game of hide and go f*ck yourself
06:50.22wish i knew, Russ
06:51.02TomWRuss: maybe you need to say "please"?
06:51.21Russibot: can you please tell me what your major malfunction is?
06:51.22I'm just an idiot. :-(
06:51.57Russdude, what is that t-rex doing to that woman?
06:52.31Russibot: what is the t-rex doing to that woman?
06:52.32I think you lost me on that one, Russ
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13:27.52chouimatmorning
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14:17.28prpplaguemorning all
14:18.11chouimathi prpplague
14:18.54prpplaguechouimat: whats up?
14:19.08chouimatupdating this box
14:28.38TomWgood morning
14:28.43chouimathi tom
14:28.52TomWhey, what's up?
14:28.53prpplagueTomW: morning
14:29.00prpplagueTomW: just getting into work
14:29.10TomWprpplague: bored today?  nothing to do?  So, you come here?
14:29.23prpplagueTomW: sorta
14:29.24chouimatTomW: nothing just need to get a new toy
14:29.37prpplagueTomW: since the r&d department got axed last week
14:29.49prpplagueTomW: have lots of free time now
14:30.03prpplagueTomW: just going through and starting to work on documentation
14:30.23prpplagueTomW: figure while i'm here i could at least contribute to some docs for other projects
14:30.24TomWchouimat: I've got some programming on the webpal to do today, and a board to wire up.  I need to verify how the ISA bus interface works between byte / word fetches.
14:30.49prpplagueTomW: ya, i was planning to work on some boot loader fun tomorrow with the webpal
14:30.53TomWprpplague: oh, the "r&d department" was only one guy?
14:30.54chouimatfor you extension board
14:31.01prpplagueTomW: lol
14:31.12prpplagueTomW: no, i was incharge of 6 people
14:31.24prpplagueTomW: everyone has been reassigned
14:31.36TomWchouimat: yeah, I have an ISA 16bit perf board put together for now to test the ISA bus.
14:31.37chouimatprpplague: that sucks
14:31.39prpplagueTomW: basically no new projects
14:31.47TomWprpplague: ow!
14:31.59prpplagueTomW: i worked myself out of a job, lol
14:32.18TomWprpplague: "when times are show...", it is engineering that should be working the hardest!
14:32.19file-mctnlugI'm going to make dinner, anybody want something?
14:32.39TomWfile-mctnlug: redhead?
14:32.50TomWfile-mctnlug: woman.
14:32.55chouimatTomW: I have seen a nice littel board using a xilink clpd for adding a isa bus and and ide control to a sega dreamcast but my soldering skill are well rusty
14:33.25TomWchouimat: well, polish those skills up boy!
14:34.06chouimatTomW: hehe and I'm not very handy too
14:34.24TomWI am thinking of how the webpal should boot.  I put a compact flash socket on the new card & a 2.5" (44 pin) ide header.
14:34.41TomWI would like to boot a kernel that boots a kernel.
14:35.16file-mctnluglinuxbios?
14:35.18file-mctnluglol
14:35.19TomWthe flash kernel would come up, load the "real" kernel from either media and transfer control to that one.
14:35.44TomWwould make kernel dev easier, or, for now, implement a bootp
14:36.02TomWbootp might be easier to do?
14:36.15chouimatTomW: just ask prpplague  to port blob to the webpal
14:36.23TomWnaw
14:36.47TomWI can do that, I want to avoid the programming of the flash for the root fs + kernel
14:37.20TomWbootp, that is probably a better way..
14:38.07TomWI stole a 3 slot ISA backplane out of an old Tandy computer, so, I have two card slots on one of the webpals instead of just one slot.
14:38.52TomW... and, I have one RT8019 ethernet card that works.
14:39.54chouimatcool
14:40.07prpplaguechouimat: working on that tomorrow
14:41.37prpplagueTomW: lol, ya, i did that too, but it was out of a zenith 386 box
14:42.06TomWprpplague: yeah, well, I don't think an ARM710 cpu will run x86 code?
14:42.08TomWheh
14:42.16prpplagueTomW: ?
14:42.47prpplagueTomW: didn't follow that statement
14:42.58TomWsorry, was just looking over the bootp HOWTO and it seems that there are binary roms available for NIC cards, I'll need source.
14:43.16prpplagueTomW: yes you can get the etherboot code
14:43.32prpplagueTomW: there should be some info on compiling for arm
14:43.37TomWhmm, and I have EPROMs here..
14:43.50prpplagueTomW: i set one up about a year ago for the elf board
14:44.11prpplagueTomW: oh, i meant the multi-slot isa backplane from the zenith 386
14:44.23TomWk, did you boot from the NIC, or from flash.  It would seem to me that I can put the bootp code into flash?
14:44.24chouimatis that thing worth building? http://home.b00.itscom.net/ikehara/dc/dcext.html
14:44.48prpplagueTomW: yes you can put it in flash, and that would probably be better for this situation
14:45.06prpplagueTomW: iirc blob has a bootp/tftp patch available
14:46.47TomWWell, first I will have to verify the 8/16 bit addressing / fetching mode for the ISA bus on the webpal.  Make sure that I can do byte & word operations as expected, then I can gerber the PCB to send it out on Monday.  
14:47.13TomWthen, next step, is to work at the bootp stuff so I can do more rapid kernel dev.
14:48.10TomWthe "plan for the weekend".  Wish it was a different plan, like staying in bed with some woman for the weekend..  <sigh>
14:48.26prpplagueTomW: jeeze
14:48.30TomW?
14:48.32TomWhuh
14:48.34prpplagueTomW: lol
14:48.38TomWheh
14:48.44prpplagueTomW: she must have gotten her claws into you good
14:48.55chouimatTomW: who don't have this plan errr dream
14:49.20chouimatok back to this AD-1200 hacking
14:49.31TomWyeah, nothing seems to work out as you plan it, you know?
14:49.43TomWchouimat: what is "ad-1200"?
14:50.29chouimatTomW: dvd player
14:50.36TomWoh
14:51.00chouimatTomW: just want to remove the region stuff and the macrovision ;)
14:53.00prpplaguechouimat: linux based?
14:53.04TomWprpplague: you got dcc to see the board?
14:53.51chouimatprpplague: nope
14:55.44TomWbetter yet, http://www.openhardware.net/multi-io.jpg
14:56.10prpplagueTomW: lovely
14:56.17chouimatTomW: specs?
14:56.48file-mctnlugTomW: now that looks neat...
14:56.59TomWThe chip in the lower right corner is a CS8900 10BaseT, the smaller chip above it is a Quad uart.
14:57.47chouimatTomW: 3 ethernets?
14:57.49TomWThe uart drives two RS232 lines (out the RJ45), and two RS485 half-duplex (out the coaxial jacks)
14:58.33TomWchouimat: no, just one.  The other two RJ45's are for the RS232.  Full modem control, I hope.  I did not include the RI signal.
14:58.41chouimati want one
14:59.32TomWThe large 40 pin connector is where you plug in the webpal's IDE port, then the compact flash & 2.5" ide ports are "connected" to the webpal's ide cable.
15:00.51chouimathmmm I think I found the cpu for my ds18s20 sensor network
15:01.23TomWI used a 22v10 pal for misc glue, there is a bunch of pins on it that are not used.  That, plus the breadboard area, you can add other electronics.  The breadboard area has the 16 data lines, 8 address lines, power, gnd, and IO read & write signals.
15:01.29chouimatTomW: a version with 4 rs232 can be done too?
15:01.59chouimatTomW: like 1 wire support?
15:02.11TomWchouimat: probably, the problem is getting enough space for the connnectors to "peek" out the back of the webpal's slot.
15:03.15chouimatTomW: external box ... I'm planning building a temperature monitoring station and the webpal will be just great for that job
15:03.16TomWchouimat: the board is designed so that you cut a notch in the lower edge of the plastic front panel to have the compact flash "peek" out the front of the webpal.
15:03.59prpplagueTomW: looks lovely
15:04.17chouimatTomW: I will wait for the price list then ;)
15:04.37TomWchouimat: well, you can just remove the 75176 chips (two) that are the RS485 driver chips, then you can wire to the TTL level of TXD & RXD of those two ports.
15:05.56TomWprpplague: admittedly, I layed the whole board out by hand, but when it came time to do the IDE / compact flash connnector wirings, I turned the Autorouter of EagleCAD loose on the problem.  It didn't do a half bad job..
15:06.18TomWchouimat: 10BaseT should still work on the hub?
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15:06.38chouimatTomW: 100baseT only
15:06.49TomWchouimat: cheap hub.
15:07.12TomWchouimat: all my hubs are 10/100BaseT
15:07.27file-mctnlugchouimat: I have a 10baseT hub... not using it
15:07.37prpplagueTomW: eagle?
15:07.46TomWmakes no sense to use 100BaseT to a processor that only runs at 20MIPs
15:09.18chouimatTomW: I have a 10baseT too but I will need to add a subnet here
15:09.22TomWprpplague: Eagle CAD, that is my PCB layout package that I use here.  It runs natively under linux and is not expensive.  I purchased Eagle CAD v4.0 for $1200 for the whole package (schematic, layout + autorouter).  http://www.cadsoft.de
15:10.38prpplagueTomW: i know, i was just asking if that was what you were using
15:10.44prpplagueTomW: its what i use too
15:11.01prpplagueTomW: i've just not gotten the hang of ordering boards yet
15:11.04TomWprpplague: last peice of electronics I need to add to that board is the ability to power the CF on/off.  Most CF devices need to be power cycled to go into True IDE mode. :(
15:11.44prpplagueTomW: mmm, are you wanting swappable ide?
15:11.49TomWprpplague: use GCPREVUE to view your gerbers with, it is a free package, but only runs under windoze.
15:12.04prpplagueTomW: if the cf card is in when the power comes up it should be in ata mode
15:12.36TomWprpplague: yup, I would like to be able to swap the CF in/out on a live system (umount /dev/hdb)
15:12.47prpplagueTomW: ahh
15:13.28prpplagueTomW: so are you gonna add something that is controlable via userland? or are you gonna do something automatic?
15:13.29TomWprpplague: yeah, but if you re-mount the card, you will have to power cycle it.  I have only found that SanDisk CF can be hot-swapped and will come up in IDE mode.
15:13.37TomWprpplague: userland.
15:13.51prpplagueTomW: nice
15:14.42TomWprpplague: actually, I want to do it internal to the kernel.  When the kernel mounts the /dev/hdx, it will toggle a spare pin of the UART and that will toggle the power supply to the CF.
15:15.04prpplagueTomW: ahh
15:15.12prpplagueTomW: that was what i was about to ask
15:15.14TomWI have several spare i/o pins on the UART.
15:15.36prpplagueTomW: i'd like to see how you implement that
15:15.45TomWme too, heh
15:15.56prpplaguelol
15:16.17TomWI am getting quite comfortable in hacking stuff in the kernel lately.
15:16.30TomWuClinux work did that to me.
15:17.03TomWbrb
15:18.44prpplaguehmmm, i didn't get any lak messages this morning
15:19.49TomWI have four webpals to use for this demo, I would feel more comfortable if I had a fifth unit. just in case...
15:20.34prpplagueTomW: just let me know, i have 5 in the closet
15:20.52TomWheh, sounds like you need one of my boards?
15:20.53RussTomW: I'm kinda doubtfull that you can pull 500mW from the UART
15:21.23TomWRuss: yeah, won't do that.  I was thinking of using a FET and controlling it from the UART.
15:21.35Russah
15:21.37Russthat works
15:22.06TomWI haven't worked it out yet, I suspect that I will have to use a P-FET, all I have here is N-FETs (2n7000)
15:22.31Russand you are a hermit that never leasves your residence?
15:22.45TomWput the source & drain in series with the +5v supply, then control it via the gate.
15:22.55TomWRuss, naw, I have a life too.
15:23.17TomWRuss: I usually work 4..6 hours a day, then go out.
15:23.20Russso picking ip a P-FET isn't a problem
15:24.22TomWRuss: yeah, but, Radio Shack has cut back on their parts offerings.  I have to make a digikey order later.  Maybe my friend, Jim, has some P-FETs laying around.
15:24.26chouimatprpplague: is there any place still selling webpals?
15:24.53TomWchouimat: I know of a guy in California with about a 100 of them he is slowly selling on ebay..
15:25.31file-mctnlugTomW: haha
15:26.10TomWthis is the guy: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2742285859&category=11188&rd=1
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15:30.24prpplaguehttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2745472606#ebayphotohosting
15:31.21chouimatprpplague: cpu?
15:31.38Russcirrus arm
15:32.43prpplagueRuss: where did you see that?
15:32.44file-mctnlugI know what I would like... some small machine for a fileserver...
15:36.54Russisn't that what webpals have?
15:37.47prpplagueRuss: oh, yes, i haven't had enough coffee this morning, i though your were talking about the isa-4000 thing i posted the link for
15:38.05chouimati was speaking of the isa-4000
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15:38.25prpplaguechouimat: its an amd 686 class chip iirc
15:38.44prpplaguechouimat: amd sc520
15:38.44chouimatprpplague: not another pc
15:39.45TomWprpplague: might be an Elan (486)?
15:40.12prpplaguespecs - http://www2.planet.com.tw/product/product_dm.php?product_id=41&menu_id=22
15:42.27prpplagueinteresting, there are some iopeners up for sale
15:42.50chouimatprpplague: where?
15:43.11prpplaguehttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2745350409&category=11188
15:44.39file-mctnlugooh, Novell Netware 4.11 is on EBay...
15:44.48TomWprpplague: wow!  There are a sh*tload of them for sale, heh.
15:45.02chouimatprpplague: planning to order some?
15:45.40file-mctnlugmmm
15:47.01TomW<sigh> so many toys and not enough time...  :(
15:47.12prpplagueno, just browsing while i do a fresh compile of gnomeeting
15:48.25prpplaguedoh, some idiot has magnia up for $399
15:48.28file-mctnluggod will my mother stop coming to visit me
15:50.16file-mctnlugwould anybody happen to have a copy of Netware 4?
15:50.42Russmy roommate has a copy he is loaning out
15:51.02file-mctnlugjust an ISO would be fine..
15:51.35prpplaguelol, these are funny- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2745470641&category=14929
15:51.47Russwe have 256kb upstream, do the math
15:51.52prpplaguethey have an internal switch that if you open the cover, it wipes the flash
15:52.21file-mctnlugprpplague: lol
15:52.31file-mctnlugRuss: 256? yikes
15:52.35Russprpplague: sounds like the work of a PHB
15:52.35prpplagueit also sets a flag in the bios to prevent it from booting
15:52.59prpplagueRuss: forgive my ignorance, but PHB?
15:53.07Russpointy haired boss
15:53.15prpplagueRuss: ahh
15:53.28TomWprpplague: dilbert-ism
15:53.38prpplagueTomW: ahh
15:55.50prpplaguechouimat: now now, if you knew anything about me, you know i don't drink beer from a can, lol
15:56.22chouimatprpplague: i have about 15cad of cans and bottles here
15:56.27prpplagueTomW: yea, well i work too much on POS crap, my brain is starting to spoil
15:56.34TomWyeah
15:58.48chouimathi kergoth
15:59.27chouimathmmm I think I will go eat out today
15:59.38kergothhey
16:00.08prpplaguekergoth: morning
16:00.51prpplaguewe really need a message board to help us sell/buy/trade dev boards
16:02.14kergothI'd vote for a mailing list with a forum gateway interface, but thats just cause i despise forums
16:02.18kergothheheh
16:02.41prpplaguekergoth: yes i have that same dislike for forums
16:03.57file-mctnlugwhy is nobody in Canada selling CAT5 cable on EBay... evil
16:04.58file-mctnlugahhh found someone
16:39.29file-mctnlugaha! I found a place for my fileserver
16:40.03Russdoes it involve moving a kitchen appliance
16:40.25file-mctnlugnah, it fits perfectly between my desk and my bookcase
16:40.35file-mctnlugand the power cord even reaches from my secondary power bar
16:40.44prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i've been running it on 30 thinclients, nothing notable on them yet, but what we do with it is pretty limited
16:42.16CosmicPenguinprpplague: that works for me
16:47.15prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hey
16:47.19prpplagueCosmicPenguin: question
16:47.44prpplagueCosmicPenguin: does mw have microtouch ts support?
16:47.57prpplagueCosmicPenguin: or do you know?
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16:54.50CosmicPenguinprpplague: yes it does - I wrote it myself
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16:58.29prpplagueCosmicPenguin: cool
17:09.00file-mctnluggrrrr what's my bank card number...
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17:16.27file-mctnlugI remember 3 parts of it... but the 4th I dunno
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17:19.38prpplagueCosmicPenguin: guess i could try mw on the intermec 6110
17:20.40file-mctnlugnow I can't find my Redhat 5.2 CD
17:20.43file-mctnlugson of a gun
17:25.42CosmicPenguinprpplague: of course
17:25.43CosmicPenguin:)
17:25.45CosmicPenguinWhy not?
17:26.50file-mctnlugfound it, yahoo
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17:32.48prpplaguehmmm
17:33.15prpplagueneed to see if i can get fbdev running in portrait mode on this 6110
17:33.19fishhead-anyone done any work with loading programs from a ethernet bootrom
17:33.57prpplaguefishhead-: can you be a little more specific?
17:34.28CosmicPenguinprpplague: whats the hardware?
17:34.36fishhead-I want to burn memtest86 to a eeprom on a network card
17:34.41fishhead-so it loads on startup
17:34.42prpplagueCosmicPenguin: trying to get that info now
17:34.50prpplaguefishhead-: ahh
17:35.01fishhead-[13:34] <fishhead-> well I know you can use etherboot to net load it
17:35.01fishhead-[13:34] <fishhead-> but I want it in the eeprom itself
17:35.01fishhead-[13:34] <fishhead-> I know it's possible with some programs because I have 2 terminal programs that can do it
17:35.02prpplaguefishhead-: try looking at the code for etherboot
17:35.10fishhead-I can't code :/
17:35.22CosmicPenguinFrom my ISP:  Suffice it to say that Cisco's software and support have been very disappointing lately.
17:35.39CosmicPenguinThey've had three major outages since last Sunday related to their Cisco equipment
17:35.45prpplaguefishhead-: then you have pretty much no hope, lol
17:36.04fishhead-not if I can find a generic loader
17:36.06prpplagueCosmicPenguin: lol, and they were surprised at that?
17:36.18prpplaguefishhead-: not gonna find one for a nic
17:36.49prpplaguefishhead-: what is it you want to accomplish?
17:37.03prpplaguefishhead-: be able to stick a card into the system and run tests?
17:37.12fishhead-yep
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17:38.19prpplaguefishhead-: personal suggestion - get a ide controler card, stick a cf-to-ide adapter on it
17:38.51prpplaguefishhead-: or purchas a DOC isa card
17:39.20fishhead-those cost a fortune
17:39.26fishhead-defeats the purpose
17:39.32prpplaguefishhead-: $5 used
17:39.41fishhead-yeah right
17:39.58file-mctnlugfishhead-: no, prpplague is serious... he's done alot of work with the this kind of stuff
17:40.15prpplaguefishhead-: are you in the states?
17:40.17fishhead-i'll check around thanks
17:40.19fishhead-mabye I can make one
17:40.26fishhead-yes
17:40.35prpplagueibot: prpplague
17:40.35it has been said that prpplague is mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com or Dave Anders
17:40.46prpplaguefishhead-: email me your shipping address
17:40.55prpplaguefishhead-: i'll send you a card and a DOC
17:41.42fishhead-I don't want to waste a nice CF on just memtest86 but thanks
17:41.52fishhead-i'll just use a floppy drive :)
17:42.10prpplaguefishhead-: i meant a DOC isa card and chip
17:42.38prpplaguefishhead-: ok then
17:42.40fishhead-what is a doc isa card
17:43.34fishhead-nm
17:44.42file-mctnlugprpplague: I still want to kill customs over that TCSX-1
17:44.47fishhead-OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
17:44.54fishhead-the docs can use standard eeproms ?
17:45.42prpplaguehttp://www.icp-australia.com.au/DataSheets/DOCKIT.html
17:45.47prpplaguesomething like that
17:46.30fishhead-I was actually thiknig about trying to build something like that
17:46.41fishhead-wow yuo just gave me an idea thanks
17:46.48prpplaguefishhead-: http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~steve/DiskOnChip.html
17:46.56prpplaguefishhead-: complete instructions
17:47.25fishhead-heh
17:47.29fishhead-how much are the chips though
17:47.32fishhead-that's the thing
17:47.35prpplagueCosmicPenguin: elan 486
17:47.46prpplagueCosmicPenguin: iirc elan has the video on board
17:48.02prpplaguefishhead-: you can get the small ones pretty cheap these days
17:48.07CosmicPenguinYes
17:48.17fishhead-prpp thanks you gave me some ideas to try
17:48.25prpplaguefishhead-: np
17:48.29CosmicPenguinIts VESA compatible, iirc
17:48.31prpplaguefishhead-: btdt
17:48.42fishhead-btdt ?
17:48.45CosmicPenguinBut I'm not sure who did the actual work
17:48.47prpplaguebeen there done that
17:48.56fishhead-ah
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17:49.10prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i'm wondering how well it suppose screen rotation from fbdev
17:49.19CosmicPenguinprpplague: hmmm.... I'm not sure
17:49.26CosmicPenguinprpplague: You're stuck with whatever vesa gives you
17:50.00prpplagueCosmicPenguin: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0301.1/0156.html
17:50.20CosmicPenguinprpplague: Heh - you're not gonna believe this
17:50.33CosmicPenguinI think it uses the CT 65550 fb driver
17:50.40CosmicPenguinI wrote that!  :)
17:50.59CosmicPenguinAt least the older version
17:51.35fishhead-ahh I have to do is figure out how the damn vt100 terminal program that can be flashed to a boot rom does it
17:51.41fishhead-and I can do the same with memtest86
17:51.49CosmicPenguinprpplague: if you use MW, we can do the rotation for you
17:52.03prpplagueCosmicPenguin: right, i was just thinking console
17:52.09fishhead-yeah that old CT chip is VERY VERY popular
17:52.12fishhead-for embedded systems
17:52.20fishhead-because it drives lvds lcd's
17:52.33prpplagueCosmicPenguin: but i guess i could just open x or mw with a full screen terminal
17:52.38CosmicPenguinprpplague: can't help you on the console front
17:52.55prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i'm interested in using this thing for some field diagnostics
17:53.09prpplagueCosmicPenguin: it has 3 pcmcia slots
17:53.25CosmicPenguinwow
17:53.26prpplagueCosmicPenguin: and a 3000mah battery, lol
17:53.58CosmicPenguinprpplague: for what?
17:54.11CosmicPenguinprpplague: portable deflibulater?
17:54.14CosmicPenguinCLEAR!
17:54.24prpplagueCosmicPenguin: only thing i haven't got a clue on is the power management
17:54.42prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i assume since its x86 that it is pretty power hungry
17:54.55prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i don't have much experience with the elan
17:55.29CosmicPenguinprpplague: neither do I
17:55.48prpplagueCosmicPenguin: mmm, i need to load up my microdrive with a full set of diags to check this thing out better
17:55.59CosmicPenguinprpplague: no ide?
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17:56.20prpplagueCosmicPenguin: no just the 3 pcmcia
17:56.32prpplagueCosmicPenguin: well i should qualify
17:56.33CosmicPenguinprpplague: fun, fun, fun
17:56.49prpplagueCosmicPenguin: the 3rd pcmcia slot is the ide, i could wire it an hd
18:02.02fishhead-here's a question for you prpp
18:02.05prpplagueCosmicPenguin: whats a good utility to run and get video chipset info?
18:02.09prpplaguefishhead-: yes?
18:02.12fishhead-on a rom image file I was putting into a chip
18:02.23fishhead-if I had to buffer the file to make the chip size with 0xff's
18:02.33fishhead-so I want to add those to the beginning or the ending of the file
18:02.43CosmicPenguinprpplague: thats a tough question
18:02.57CosmicPenguinprpplague: the best thing to do is probably scan the PCI bus for the vendor information
18:03.02fishhead-the example I got said beginning but that seems backwards to me
18:03.13CosmicPenguinIf you use the standard tools - you'll just get back the VESA compliance crap
18:03.16prpplaguefishhead-: ya usually its the beginning
18:03.39fishhead-and the cpu knows how to deal with this ?
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18:04.03fishhead-here is another example of what I am talking about btw
18:04.05fishhead-http://www-student.informatik.uni-bonn.de/~canavan/lowpower/
18:04.06prpplaguefishhead-: well thats a complicated deal, all i can tell you is you can study how etherboot does its stuff
18:04.18fishhead-okay the perl script to buffer files is from etherboot
18:04.26fishhead-so if yuo said it works I'll take that
18:04.53prpplaguefishhead-: ya
18:04.56fishhead-thx
18:05.09fishhead-where do you live ?
18:05.19prpplaguetx
18:05.25fishhead-ah
18:05.34fishhead-mabye I will send you some small char lcd's sometime :)
18:05.35fishhead-16x1
18:05.46prpplaguefishhead-: ok thanks
18:05.55fishhead-I got 31 :P
18:06.01prpplaguefishhead-: fun
18:06.09fishhead-I work as a pc tech so when they dumped all the dot matrix at work
18:06.11fishhead-I saved all the lcd's
18:06.34fishhead-I need to build a eprom dumper
18:06.44fishhead-mabye I can figure out how my 286 redirects to console in the bios
18:06.54fishhead-or how this 486 laser printer engine redirects to a lcd
18:07.14prpplaguefishhead-: for to use the 16x1 lcds?
18:07.29fishhead-mabye later :)
18:07.42fishhead-i;d be happy with a serial port redirect for pc's
18:07.42prpplaguefishhead-: look up a project called lcdproc
18:07.47fishhead-yeah I know
18:07.56fishhead-I am sick of running 8 640x480 monitor
18:08.42fishhead-I know they sell cards to do this but my goal is do projects with stuff around the house or salvage
18:09.31CosmicPenguinfile: webpal?
18:12.12fileCosmicPenguin: I would take one of those too
18:12.57filedonations accepted I suppose
18:19.14prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hmm, got to get a getty running on the serial port so i can get into this thing
18:21.02CosmicPenguinprpplague: that shouldn't be too difficult
18:21.37prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ya, just pinning out the max chip now to find out the 232 stuff
18:21.58CosmicPenguinThey didn't bring out the serial stuff?
18:23.29prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ya they plenty connections, problem is this a proprietary item, and they took great lengths to make sure it wasn't easily worked on by someone else
18:24.21CosmicPenguinbastards
18:25.35prpplagueintermec, symbol, and telxon have pioniered the techniques in offuscation of their hardware
18:26.09fileFRELL! the channel Farscape was on went dead
18:27.58CosmicPenguinprpplague: what type of device is this?
18:30.06prpplagueCosmicPenguin: http://www.barcodeplanet.com/intermec/6110-zoom.htm
18:31.31CosmicPenguinAhhh... green screen
18:32.19CosmicPenguinI assume the keyboard is on the serial port too, al-la symbol
18:38.20prpplagueCosmicPenguin: no actual its a subset of a ps/2 keyboard
18:41.59fishhead-prpp see
18:42.08fishhead-they sell isa cards with bios updates
18:42.18fishhead-so there has to a way to exec 1 program
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18:42.44filehi andersee
18:51.48anderseefile: g'da
18:51.50anderseefile: g'day
18:52.21prpplagueandersee: evening
18:53.25anderseeprpplague: that too
18:53.28andersee:)
18:55.20CosmicPenguinI love how uclibc works so well with configure
18:55.33anderseeCosmicPenguin: configure?
18:56.04anderseeCosmicPenguin: Umm, you're welcome.  But I don't use configure...
18:56.42CosmicPenguinandersee: sort of
18:56.50prpplagueCosmicPenguin: btw, the lcd on 6110 is b/w but it has a green backlight
18:56.51CosmicPenguinargh - maybe not
19:00.30anderseeCosmicPenguin: I use the same sortof config the linux kernel uses
19:01.35filegah dang it
19:01.43fileI have money, but I can't really find anything I want to really buy
19:02.12anderseefile: I have some nice bridges for sale
19:02.25fileandersee: bridges? what bridges
19:02.29CosmicPenguinandersee: I was talking about cross compiling with configure scripts
19:02.35CosmicPenguinBut it didn't work so I take it all back
19:02.39CosmicPenguin:)
19:03.03anderseeCross compiling with configure can work in 2 ways....
19:03.27andersee1) make sure the configure script does not use macros that execute target code
19:04.26andersee1) modify your shared lib loader to use rsh/ssh to execute target code on a target box that is configured just like your target
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19:05.27filedarn it what should I buy, suggestions please!
19:08.46anderseefile: buy a pet horse
19:08.57anderseeShould fit nicely in the living room
19:09.26file:)
19:10.00fileanybody have anything to sell... wireless network... anything
19:26.24Russfishhead-: doc = disk on chip, paged nand flash
19:26.36fileprpplague: can I use a thin client as a fileserver?
19:26.39fishhead-yes yes yes I know
19:26.52Russfishhead-: similar/same pinout as most rombios's, except that 8k of addressing gives you up to around 512MB I think
19:27.10fishhead-we need to code like a eeprom lilo
19:27.22fishhead-for a bootrom on a network card rom socket
19:27.32fishhead-all it would do is load the rest of the image into ram and exist
19:28.49fishhead-something like etherboot except without the networking crap
19:29.00fishhead-just exec, load the rest of the eeprom exec that and exit
19:29.25prpplaguefile: uh, i guess, but that would kinda not make it a thin client
19:29.38fileprpplague: well I just want something small
19:29.59filehow about this.
19:29.59fishhead-prpp for emebedded dude
19:30.05fishhead-like a 5KB x86 robot controller os
19:30.07fishhead-think about it
19:30.15filecan you suggest anything cheap/inexpensive that can be used as a fileserver? (has IDE Controller onboard)
19:30.59fishhead-KT400[15:30] <fishhead-> it would just start, load the rest of the eeprom into ram and exec is
19:31.00fishhead-[15:30] <fishhead-> say like this is th eeeprom
19:31.00fishhead-[15:30] <fishhead-> xxx*******
19:31.00fishhead-[15:30] <fishhead-> xxx = bootloader
19:31.00fishhead-[15:30] <fishhead-> ****** = user program/mini os
19:31.21fishhead-I think zloader can do this
19:31.33fishhead-it's part of etherboot but it can also load other stuff
19:31.36RussI think you just hit the wrong button
19:31.49fishhead-the problem is it appears to have a 32kb limit
19:33.18fishhead-disk on chip is overload for memtest86
19:33.24fishhead-you rawrite it to a floppy even
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19:34.24filecan anybody suggest something...
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19:41.57fishhead-disk on chip is just such horrible overkill for this :/
19:43.07fishhead-ugh the smallest one is 8 meg
19:49.44prpplagueinteresting, this serial port has a 10 sec delay between when i send a character and shows up on the tty
19:49.56fishhead-prpp
19:50.02fishhead-I may have found a solutions
19:50.11fishhead-elan's already use this apprentely
19:50.38fishhead-ALIOS
19:53.22CosmicPenguin10 *second* delay?
19:55.26prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea
19:56.06CosmicPenguinprpplague: thats never good
19:56.28prpplagueCosmicPenguin: never run across that before
19:56.53CosmicPenguinprpplague: I'm trying to rack my brain to see why you would do such a thng
19:56.56prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i'm wondering up that have a control signal tied high
19:57.13CosmicPenguinMaybe its bouncing them off the moon or something... :)
19:57.32CosmicPenguinThis is a linux kernel?  Maybe the serial driver is foobared
19:58.05prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea, but it seems to occur on only one of the serial ports
20:00.39fishhead-prpp
20:00.43fishhead-rolo might be a solution
20:02.05prpplaguefishhead-: sorry dude, i'm fw handicaped
20:02.13fishhead-here
20:02.14fishhead-http://www.linuxdevices.com/links/LK7355055399.html
20:02.38fishhead-I might be stupid and clueless
20:02.44fishhead-but it looks like this might be workable
20:02.46fishhead-I dunno
20:03.25fishhead-forgot to mention, look at the "ROLO" section
20:04.30CosmicPenguinprpplague: going through the barcode by chance?
20:07.12prpplagueCosmicPenguin: no, i think its my pc serial port
20:07.53prpplagueCosmicPenguin: doesn't look like i'm getting rs-232 levels
20:08.27prpplagueCosmicPenguin: let me qualify that, i mean they look out of spec
20:08.57CosmicPenguinWeird - but you're not losing a char - they're just hella slow
20:09.10prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ya
20:09.23CosmicPenguinYou think its your desktop?
20:10.35fishhead-I am giving up for now, thanks all
20:11.07prpplagueCosmicPenguin: looking now
20:12.22prpplagueCosmicPenguin: interesting
20:12.47prpplagueCosmicPenguin: the tx line on the device only has does +-5
20:14.49CosmicPenguinhmm
20:15.08CosmicPenguinDoes the BC go through the serial?
20:15.56prpplagueCosmicPenguin: through one of the serial ports but have a non-bc serial board plugged right now
20:19.22fishhead-prpp
20:19.33fishhead-all I want to do and this might be easier to explain is
20:19.35fishhead-etherboot
20:19.47fishhead-but instead of initializing tcpip and goign over the network for the image
20:19.55fishhead-it will look to the rest of the space in the eeprom
20:20.28fishhead-*ROM*
20:20.32fishhead-XXXX*******
20:20.36fishhead-xxxx = etherboot code
20:20.50fishhead-***** = image etherboot would normally look for in a /tftp dir
20:23.04prpplagueCosmicPenguin: very interesting
20:23.11prpplagueCosmicPenguin: tried another serial board, same thing
20:23.24Russdue, why do you keep spamming that?
20:24.10fishhead-me /
20:24.21fishhead-I only did it 2 times I explained it better
20:33.43prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hmm, i think i'm getting 5v ttl on the serial port instead of rs-232
20:38.52prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ahh, check this out, the maxim chip they used has an activity function that appears to shut the chip down
20:41.45fishhead-LATER ALL :)
20:44.19CosmicPenguinheh
20:51.13prpplagueCosmicPenguin: gee that was nice of them
20:51.33prpplagueCosmicPenguin: they have a trace on the board with an always on bridge thats cut
20:57.36CosmicPenguinAnd then he's gone...
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22:04.43file[desk]haha, I'm turning my old laptop into my fileserver
22:05.15fishhead-nice
22:05.17fishhead-but
22:05.18fishhead-a better use
22:05.24fishhead-might be a remote terminal
22:05.28fishhead-using x-terminal or VNC
22:06.09file[desk]no there's a reason it's my old laptop, if you hit certain spots on the case it'll reset
22:06.11file[desk]:)
22:06.16file[desk]so it's best to leave it alone
22:07.36fishhead-oh
22:07.41fishhead-I had a p100 but the ide controller blew
22:07.52fishhead-shame is a p100 24 meg of ram and  ACTIVE MATRIX 800x600 lcd
22:07.56fishhead-but without the ide it was dead
22:08.05fishhead-because it had no floppy and cdrom was not bootable
22:08.09file[desk]PCI IDE Controller?
22:08.14fishhead-no laptop dude
22:08.17file[desk]ahhhh
22:08.25fishhead-yeah if it was a pc I am a hardware tech
22:08.30fishhead-i would have bypassed it like a xmas tree
22:08.48file[desk]well, this will just sit under my ADSL Modem... and make no sounds...
22:09.00fishhead-yeah but if you bump it and it will reset
22:09.03fishhead-that's not reliable
22:09.12fishhead-because thermal variation could do the same
22:09.16fishhead-you knwo what you can do
22:09.18fishhead-FIRST
22:09.18file[desk]no it requires exact pressure
22:09.20fishhead-GROUND YUOSELF
22:09.33fishhead-THEN OPEN IT CAREFULLY AND RESEAT ALL THE SOCKETS
22:09.34fishhead-RAM, ETC
22:09.39file[desk]I did
22:09.44file[desk]I even put in extra cushioning
22:09.49fishhead-and it's still "CANUCKED" ?
22:09.53kergothfishhead-: do i need to take your caps lock away and send you to your room?
22:10.02fishhead-you can try bitch
22:10.05fishhead-but you will lose
22:10.12fishhead-:P
22:10.22kergothhow many channels do you need to be given the boot in before you realize you're a fucking idiot?
22:10.25kergothi mean really.
22:10.32fishhead-dude I was kidding you idiot
22:10.41fishhead-this keyboard is a $5 pos it's too easy to hit the caps locl
22:10.45fishhead-with my coordination problems
22:10.46fishhead-sorry
22:11.05file[desk]this install profile is evil, why would a server machine need emacs?
22:11.14fishhead-and second of all DIPSHIT
22:11.23fishhead-you know why i was banned from one channel
22:11.29fishhead-all I did was /topic KILL CANUCKS
22:11.31fishhead-that's it
22:11.33fishhead-didn't say a work
22:11.34fishhead-nothing
22:11.40kergothexactly, your usual immature bs
22:11.49kergothhe got tired of it, not that i can blame him
22:12.01fishhead-well he's goign to pay for it anyways
22:12.12kergothi'm sure he's shaking in his boots
22:12.33fontenotkergoth: hi
22:12.35fishhead-doubt it
22:12.44fishhead-but he will try to kill me when I am done
22:13.20fontenotkergoth: did you get a chance to upload the toolchain? or is it in the latest oz snap ?
22:13.24kergothfontenot: hey.  forgot about it, throwing it up now
22:13.48CosmicPenguinkergoth: which toolchain is that?
22:13.58fontenotI tried for eseveral more hours last night and then found areally interesting thread on the debial arm devel list about gcc3.3 and glibc 2.3.2
22:14.22fontenotI still can't get glibc 2.3.2 to build with gcc 3.3.1pre but at least I have a better idea why now
22:14.30fishhead-hey
22:14.31kergothCosmicPenguin: just a x86->arm gcc3.3.1-pre/glibc2.3.2 chain
22:14.33fishhead-is it possible to do
22:14.37fishhead-spanning of small lcd's
22:14.38CosmicPenguin3.3.1 though... :)
22:14.46fishhead-like half chars on one
22:14.48CosmicPenguinkewl
22:14.50fishhead-and half on other
22:14.58fontenotkergoth: do you do --enable-sjlj-exceptions ?
22:15.11fontenotI have problems with libgcc_eh
22:15.13kergothi dont recall, let me check the buildroot makefile
22:15.38kergothdoesnt look like it
22:15.41fishhead-kergoth
22:15.47fishhead-you know what is really scarey ?
22:15.59fishhead-my 286-12 has something in the bios called "terminal server mode"
22:16.04fontenotalso do you make an empty sysdeps/arm/framestate.c ?
22:16.07fishhead-I suspect that means serial console support
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22:16.27kergothfontenot: don think so
22:16.30kergother dont rather
22:16.37kergothone of our patches might, dont know offhand
22:16.39kergothbrb
22:18.00fontenotI found this treat very enlightening: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-glibc@lists.debian.org/msg04228.html
22:18.14fontenotthread that is
22:20.37fontenotalso see this debian patch: http://cvs.debian.org/glibc-package/debian/patches/50_glibc232-arm-dwarf2-buildfix.dpatch?sortby=file&cvsroot=glibc
22:31.02fishhead-oh good
22:31.05fishhead-my topic is still set
22:32.28fishhead-http://www.ibiblio.org/kuphaldt/electricCircuits/
22:33.41fishhead-always good to have a basic electrical knowledge whetere you just cod or not so you at least know if your hw is fried and it's not your code
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