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| 01:13.48 | file[wifi] | oh wait, we have ibot |
| 01:13.50 | file[wifi] | ibot: seen sjhill |
| 01:13.55 | | sjhill <~sjhill@65.117.135.105> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 5h 46m 54s ago, saying: 'ibot: because you are an idiot'. |
| 01:14.01 | file[wifi] | oh darn |
| 01:59.46 | chouimat | night |
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| 03:18.36 | sorphin | btu of course, since i'm using xfs |
| 03:18.46 | sorphin | i can't boot linux from any rescue cds |
| 03:25.42 | sorphin | oh cool, debian has xfs boot floppies |
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| 04:23.10 | sorphin | ahhh |
| 04:23.15 | sorphin | 10407.11 bogomips |
| 04:24.13 | CosmicPenguin | Thats aloto bogomips |
| 04:26.42 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: that's my P4 2.6ghz |
| 04:26.48 | sorphin | in "SMP" mode |
| 04:30.47 | sorphin | XP sees the ethernet as an SiS 900 just fine |
| 04:30.56 | sorphin | but compile the SiS 900 kenrel driver for linux |
| 04:30.58 | sorphin | no ether |
| 05:11.22 | MonMotha | what's lspci say it is? |
| 05:27.59 | sorphin | lemme boot linux again and check |
| 05:28.39 | sorphin | MonMotha: says it's an SiS900 :P |
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| 10:27.20 | fontenot | andersee: is there an easy way to not have buildroot install the libstdc++ ? that increases my uncompressed fs size by about 500kB |
| 10:27.58 | fontenot | it didn't used to install that |
| 10:29.25 | andersee | fontenot: apply this |
| 10:29.28 | andersee | --- make/uclibc_toolchain.mk 10 Sep 2003 09:09:22 -0000 1.62 |
| 10:29.28 | andersee | +++ make/uclibc_toolchain.mk 11 Sep 2003 10:28:55 -0000 |
| 10:29.28 | andersee | @@ -476,7 +476,7 @@ |
| 10:29.28 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.28 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.29 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.31 | andersee | -GCC_TARGETS=$(TARGET_DIR)/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.5 $(TARGET_DIR)/lib/libgcc_s.so.0.9.9 |
| 10:29.33 | andersee | +GCC_TARGETS= $(TARGET_DIR)/lib/libgcc_s.so.0.9.9 #$(TARGET_DIR)/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.5 |
| 10:29.34 | chouimat | morning |
| 10:29.34 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.32 | fontenot | andersee: heh OK so I should have looked before asking :-) |
| 10:35.58 | andersee | fontenot: np |
| 10:36.00 | andersee | :-) |
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| 13:49.10 | sjhill | ewww, it's the prpplague person |
| 13:49.23 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: how goes the fight with the clueless management? |
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| 13:50.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well, round 2 of stupidity starts this morning |
| 13:51.19 | sjhill | "In this corner we have prpplague, champion of opensource and reason"...."and in the other corner a fierce defender of stupidity and failed business practicesss....management" .... "boo, hiss, hiss, boot, what a rube" |
| 13:51.30 | prpplague | sjhill: lol |
| 13:51.55 | prpplague | sjhill: thats just it, these guys make tons of money, and i can't figure it out |
| 13:52.09 | prpplague | sjhill: if i were a customer, i would never buy anything from them |
| 13:52.29 | prpplague | sjhill: but yet they sell 1/2 ass products for like 10x what they should cost |
| 13:52.38 | sjhill | yep, that's why management and sales never let the customer speak with the engineers :) |
| 13:53.19 | CosmicPenguin | Exactly |
| 13:53.44 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: dude, got any pictures uploaded yet? |
| 13:53.47 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: of? |
| 13:54.01 | sjhill | wedding |
| 13:54.05 | prpplague | sjhill: we have a product that we make that costs us $262 to make, the closet competetor sells theirs for $1999.00 , so we price our unit at $1799, just 200 dollars cheaper |
| 13:54.08 | sjhill | i should have mine up this weekend |
| 13:54.30 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: I'll do my best. Oddly enough, my wife hasn't even gone into select our professional shots yet |
| 13:54.45 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: but I'll try to get as many of the candid pictures up |
| 13:55.10 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 13:55.19 | prpplague | jeeze |
| 13:55.31 | prpplague | ~quote cisc |
| 13:55.55 | sjhill | ~quote brcm |
| 13:56.06 | sjhill | *sigh* |
| 13:56.17 | sjhill | i should have held on to more of my stock |
| 13:59.18 | CosmicPenguin | bbl - running to the store |
| 14:00.09 | prpplague | ~quote csco |
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| 14:29.14 | prpplague | ~quote rhat |
| 14:30.29 | prpplague | makes no sense: rhat is a company that is profitable and has a future has less stock value than sco which has posted loses for the last 17 months and has no future |
| 14:33.48 | sjhill | is anyone here good with regular expressions and substitutions? |
| 14:33.51 | sjhill | i need help |
| 14:34.09 | prpplague | sjhill: i'm not great but i could give it a try |
| 14:34.19 | prpplague | sjhill: whatcha looking for? |
| 14:34.30 | sieve_work | morning all |
| 14:34.34 | sjhill | hi sieve_work |
| 14:35.09 | sjhill | prpplague: okay, i have these two lines in my pcmcia config file |
| 14:35.15 | sjhill | include port 00001000-01000fff |
| 14:35.19 | sjhill | include memory 0x08000000-0x0fffffff |
| 14:35.53 | sjhill | i want to make a script to parse the address in /proc/ioports and /proc/iomem and replace those values in the file |
| 14:36.13 | sjhill | MEM_ADDR=0x`grep 'PCI Memory space' iomem | cut -d" " -f1 | sed -e's/-/-0x/g'` |
| 14:36.22 | sjhill | IO_ADDR=0x`grep 'PCI I/O space' ioports | cut -d" " -f1|sed -e 's/-/-0x/g'` |
| 14:36.40 | sjhill | these give me the address range values in the format needed |
| 14:36.58 | sjhill | i do not have perl, so i'm stuck with awk and sed |
| 14:37.19 | Lethal | do you have other 'port' and 'memory' instances in the config file? or just those two? |
| 14:37.38 | sjhill | Lethal: just those two |
| 14:38.10 | Lethal | then what's the point of doing a search and replace? if you have the range already, just append it to an echo that does the "include port" or whatever and dump it in the file, truncating as necessary |
| 14:38.32 | Lethal | or you can search and replace off of port/memory with the new range |
| 14:39.14 | sjhill | i'd like to do the search and replace |
| 14:39.24 | sjhill | those two lines are in the middle of a bunch of other lines |
| 14:39.31 | prpplague | sjhill: one thing i do is use comment markers and use sed to replace from comment1 to comment2 |
| 14:39.42 | Lethal | ah, ok |
| 14:39.54 | prpplague | sjhill: something like this |
| 14:40.14 | prpplague | #BEGIN IOPORT/MEMORY SECTION# |
| 14:40.25 | Lethal | then you can just do something stupid like sed -e "s/\(port \).*$/\1$MEM_ADDR/" |
| 14:40.26 | prpplague | #END IOPORT/MEMORY SECTION# |
| 14:40.39 | Lethal | or IO_ADDR, whatever. |
| 14:41.05 | Lethal | but you need the ""'s if you want bash to substitute the thing properly |
| 14:41.48 | prpplague | sjhill: lots of solutions :) |
| 14:41.57 | sjhill | indeed |
| 14:41.59 | sjhill | thx guys |
| 14:42.02 | sjhill | lemm' play a bit |
| 14:42.56 | prpplague | sjhill: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-sed1.html |
| 14:43.17 | prpplague | sjhill: if you scroll down a little there is a section marked "more on addresses" |
| 14:43.35 | prpplague | sjhill: neat little feature of sed that works well for commented sections |
| 14:44.44 | sjhill | that is neat |
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| 14:44.58 | prpplague | sjhill: the "sed by example" and "awk by example" from ibm are great to have book marked for quick solutions |
| 14:46.11 | Lethal | what kind of sed tutorial doesn't comment on buffers :P |
| 14:50.28 | sorphin | Lethal: buffers schmuffers |
| 14:51.51 | sjhill | *sigh* |
| 14:51.56 | sjhill | and how do i get it to edit in place |
| 14:52.31 | CosmicPenguin | sed is the tool of the devil |
| 14:52.43 | sjhill | sed -e 'blash' file > tmp.file ; mv tmp.file file |
| 14:52.46 | sjhill | yuck |
| 14:52.46 | Lethal | edit in place? what do you mean? you can specify a line number to perform a given operation on, or a range of lines |
| 14:52.53 | sorphin | and before i forget |
| 14:52.54 | Lethal | oh, that |
| 14:52.57 | sorphin | ~bitchslap sjhill |
| 14:52.58 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of sjhill |
| 14:52.58 | Lethal | yeah, that's a necessary evil |
| 14:52.59 | Lethal | :P |
| 14:53.08 | sorphin | Lethal: go read a manual |
| 14:53.19 | sjhill | ~ibot man sed |
| 14:53.31 | Lethal | sorphin, erm, no |
| 14:54.23 | Lethal | sed is meant to work on streams to begin with, not files. so the in place editing thing is kind of unsupported in a useful fashion ;P |
| 14:54.44 | sorphin | hmm |
| 14:54.49 | sorphin | this just bothers me |
| 14:54.58 | sorphin | "a C interface embedded in Perl" |
| 14:55.20 | sjhill | yeah, if perl was an option i'd use it |
| 14:55.37 | sorphin | sjhill: sql access |
| 14:55.46 | sjhill | oh that deserves..... |
| 14:55.50 | sjhill | ~ibot bitchslap sorphin |
| 14:55.52 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of sorphin |
| 14:56.02 | Lethal | screw perl. sed is infinitely superior. and faster :P |
| 14:57.14 | sorphin | sjhill: the sql access is no choice |
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| 15:25.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: cat /proc/pixil | grep -e "status" |
| 15:26.44 | sorphin | prpplague: pixil not found. :P *g* |
| 15:27.23 | signal11 | heh |
| 15:27.24 | ade|desk | sorphin: ello matey |
| 15:27.37 | sorphin | ade|desk: allo git |
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| 15:29.00 | sorphin | TimRiker: re mr timmy |
| 15:30.57 | CosmicPenguin | yall are sooooo funny |
| 15:31.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, well? give us an update? |
| 15:31.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greg still using the code as a foot stool? |
| 15:32.11 | sorphin | prpplague: project was canceled, remember? |
| 15:32.55 | ade|desk | *cough* URL *cough* |
| 15:33.03 | sorphin | cuz he obviously needs it |
| 15:33.51 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: is the mailing list up and running yet? |
| 15:33.57 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: do we have an ETA |
| 15:34.11 | signal11 | which mailing list |
| 15:34.41 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: pixil |
| 15:34.55 | signal11 | it's been up for awhile, i believe |
| 15:35.07 | signal11 | probably not advertised anywhere of course |
| 15:35.35 | signal11 | looks like there's a pixil, and pixil-devel (@pixil.org) |
| 15:37.00 | signal11 | http://www.pixil.org/mailinglist.php |
| 15:38.53 | CosmicPenguin | Oops - that website probably wasn't ready to go live yet... :) |
| 15:38.54 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, well |
| 15:39.58 | CosmicPenguin | Everyone, prepare for the memory erasing procedure |
| 15:42.23 | ade|desk | no download on the gpl pixil :( |
| 15:42.29 | kergoth | bleh. |
| 15:43.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: does flnx have a fluid build as well? |
| 15:43.51 | kergoth | morning guys |
| 15:44.22 | prpplague | kergoth: hows life at TI these days? |
| 15:44.46 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: sort of |
| 15:44.51 | kergoth | not bad, keeping busy |
| 15:44.57 | prpplague | kergoth: don't suppose you ever heard who they hired for that position? |
| 15:45.00 | kergoth | back working on OE again for a while |
| 15:45.02 | kergoth | nope, never did |
| 15:45.08 | kergoth | tim would probably know or be able to find out |
| 15:45.22 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: yeah they are still working on it, expect it to change and/or not work at times |
| 15:45.26 | prpplague | kergoth: yea, he said he still hadnt heard either |
| 15:45.55 | prpplague | kergoth: the mystery of it haunts me, lol |
| 15:46.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:46.17 | kergoth | understandable |
| 15:47.06 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: should erase greg's memory :P so he forgets pixil existed, and so it's all yours :P |
| 15:48.48 | prpplague | anyone know of some posted estimates for times needed to get linux running on a new arm board? |
| 15:48.57 | prpplague | just looking for some references for a report |
| 15:51.53 | signal11 | prpplague: do you mean a new board that has never had linux ported to its specific hardware, or just the time to cross compile & install everything to a known working board |
| 15:52.18 | prpplague | signal11: new board, currently loaded with wince |
| 15:52.51 | signal11 | are all of the chips supported? |
| 15:52.57 | signal11 | video, net, etc |
| 15:53.07 | prpplague | signal11: ya, basically a reference design |
| 15:53.38 | prpplague | signal11: something that doesn't deviate from published refs much |
| 15:54.03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: that doesn't mean anything |
| 15:54.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you know what i mean though |
| 15:54.28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: of course, I've had to deal with National Semiconductor where published specs are really just friendly recommendations |
| 15:54.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: agreed |
| 15:55.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but you know with sa-11x0 and pxa you see alot of boards that don't deviate from intel refs much |
| 15:55.19 | CosmicPenguin | true |
| 15:55.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: maybe different form factor but implement closely the same |
| 15:57.02 | prpplague | i'm having trouble finding published info to back up my claim that 32 hours was more than a resonable development time |
| 15:58.15 | ade|desk | 32 hours seems samn good to me |
| 15:58.24 | ade|desk | s/samn/damn |
| 15:59.02 | prpplague | ade|desk: agreed, but i need to prove it management |
| 15:59.09 | CosmicPenguin | 32 hours is actually really good |
| 15:59.33 | CosmicPenguin | And I'll sign that to a certificate that you can frame... :) |
| 15:59.42 | prpplague | they are having trouble understand why i didn't "just install it from a cd just like the x86 boxes" |
| 16:00.02 | ade|desk | can i hit them please |
| 16:00.06 | prpplague | ade|desk: lol |
| 16:00.17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: if I had been in the room when somebody said that, I would've blown out an blood vessel in my head |
| 16:00.18 | prpplague | ade|desk: only if i can bring them to the UK for you to do so |
| 16:00.27 | CosmicPenguin | Everyone is now stupider for having heard that |
| 16:00.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: this is the same guy that asked if picogui was somesort of salsa |
| 16:01.22 | ade|desk | lol, oh dear god |
| 16:02.10 | ade|desk | prpplague: get them to come here on a business trip, they wont return ;) |
| 16:02.29 | prpplague | ade|desk: more likely they will and i won't , lol |
| 16:02.53 | signal11 | 32 hours seems short |
| 16:04.06 | prpplague | signal11: thats not including the TS and audio, they weren't needed |
| 16:05.53 | CosmicPenguin | Still |
| 16:05.56 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a quick bring up |
| 16:07.57 | kergoth | anyone added device table handling to tar yet? :) |
| 16:08.56 | prpplague | kergoth: iirc i though i saw a patch regarding that for busybox, but i have no idea where i saw it |
| 16:09.01 | kergoth | hmmmm |
| 16:10.13 | prpplague | kergoth: raining yet? |
| 16:10.36 | kergoth | google fails me |
| 16:10.41 | kergoth | nope |
| 16:11.17 | CosmicPenguin | hah! |
| 16:11.34 | CosmicPenguin | Apparently I am the reason that Pixil is a failure |
| 16:11.39 | CosmicPenguin | Who knew? |
| 16:11.51 | kergoth | errr? |
| 16:11.56 | ade|desk | why / |
| 16:12.09 | prpplague | kergoth: i'll check my box at home |
| 16:13.10 | prpplague | kergoth: should be getting a little rain in a few :D |
| 16:13.31 | CosmicPenguin | Well - its like this |
| 16:14.05 | CosmicPenguin | I spent many hours building a pixil buildroot from scratch - porting dozens of applications with broken configure scripts and hand hacked makefiles, and it worked good |
| 16:14.39 | CosmicPenguin | But greg didn't like it, because he couldn't diff it to his original crappy code, so he had me pull everything out and use his original packages (configures and everything instead) |
| 16:15.05 | CosmicPenguin | And yet, I didn't port across the bug fixes I did to get the thing working in the first place, so I am the reason why Pixil quality is crap |
| 16:15.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doh |
| 16:15.57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: he better kiss my ass if he even manages to sell 1 license, because without me, he would have exactly dick |
| 16:17.08 | ade|desk | CosmicPenguin: do you still have your own buildroot of your pixil? |
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| 16:24.31 | CosmicPenguin | ade|desk: yeah |
| 16:24.36 | CosmicPenguin | ade|desk: its actually all in CVS |
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| 16:29.36 | ade|desk | CosmicPenguin: cool |
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| 17:19.53 | kergoth | hey mallum |
| 17:28.14 | prpplague | mallum: hey |
| 17:28.20 | prpplague | mallum: long time no chat |
| 17:30.14 | mallum | prpplague: yeah I have been looping the planet |
| 17:30.18 | mallum | kergoth: hello |
| 17:30.26 | prpplague | mallum: oh? |
| 17:30.41 | mallum | prpplague: marridge + honeymoon |
| 17:31.43 | prpplague | mallum: oh yea |
| 17:42.21 | prpplague | sjhill: you get your shell script thingy working? |
| 17:52.44 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.thenews-messenger.com/news/stories/20030911/localnews/239711.html |
| 17:55.13 | sjhill | prpplague: yep, thx |
| 17:55.18 | sjhill | thx to Lethal too |
| 18:00.01 | prpplague | sjhill: mind if i ask what was your final solution? |
| 18:13.10 | sjhill | i used the sed trick since it fit better into my situation |
| 18:13.30 | sjhill | your solution will come in handy in a different area :) |
| 18:14.25 | prpplague | sjhill: ok thanks |
| 18:19.28 | prpplague | ibot: seen tomw |
| 18:19.29 | | tomw <~TomW@24.238.72.225> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 5d 8h 4m 42s ago, saying: 'Now, onto the Linux stuff! :)'. |
| 18:26.26 | Russ | ~quote scox |
| 18:26.37 | Russ | I'm going to stop doing that, its too depressing |
| 18:28.48 | sorphin | good |
| 18:29.09 | sorphin | there's only 1 stock i care about |
| 18:29.13 | sorphin | because i own 200 shares of it |
| 18:29.25 | sorphin | and it's not SCO |
| 18:33.24 | sjhill | ~ibot quote wcom |
| 18:33.35 | sjhill | wow, i can get free stock! |
| 18:33.45 | sorphin | sjhill: nope |
| 18:33.47 | sjhill | i kill me |
| 18:33.48 | sorphin | sjhill: that's not the one |
| 18:33.56 | CosmicPenguin | worldcom go buhbye |
| 18:34.05 | sorphin | sjhill: plus the fact we haven't been WCOM for a while now |
| 18:34.08 | sorphin | lackey |
| 18:34.22 | sorphin | ~quote svvs |
| 18:36.59 | Russ | ~quote ibm |
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| 18:51.31 | prpplague | ibot: TomW |
| 18:51.35 | | hmm... tomw is at tom@openhardware.net |
| 18:54.53 | file[wifi] | sjhill: poke |
| 18:57.37 | sjhill | yes? |
| 19:01.03 | ade|desk | sjhill: do you remember the last bit of wince linux bootloader stuff you did ? |
| 19:01.20 | ade|desk | file[wifi]: sorry to cut in :) |
| 19:02.49 | prpplague | ade|desk: lol, sjhill doesn't like to remember that, lol |
| 19:02.53 | sjhill | ade|desk: yes...i remember i promised myself that i would forget it |
| 19:03.16 | prpplague | sjhill: its like a bad cause of jock itch, it just keeps coming back |
| 19:03.22 | prpplague | s/cause/case |
| 19:03.37 | sjhill | it makes me wince whenever i think of it.....bwuhahahhaha |
| 19:03.40 | sjhill | *sniff* |
| 19:03.45 | sjhill | i'm on a roll |
| 19:04.00 | prpplague | lol |
| 19:04.02 | ade|desk | sjhill: what was it called ? |
| 19:04.08 | prpplague | cyace |
| 19:04.29 | ade|desk | sjhill: where did loadlce come in the grand scheme |
| 19:05.14 | sjhill | ade|desk: hmmm....if memory serves loadlce was my start from the netbsd loader |
| 19:05.21 | sjhill | then brad and i got together and did cyace |
| 19:05.23 | file[wifi] | er was fixing something... |
| 19:05.33 | file[wifi] | sjhill: what kernel is your usb-storage patch applicable to? |
| 19:05.36 | sjhill | it will not work on any philips or sharp products |
| 19:05.37 | prpplague | ade|desk: http://www.linux-vr.org/booting.html |
| 19:06.35 | sjhill | 2.4.18 |
| 19:07.18 | sjhill | it's not for public consumption though |
| 19:07.28 | file[wifi] | k |
| 19:07.34 | ade|desk | yay found the sucker.. http://cvs.linux4.be/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/ce/cyace/ |
| 19:07.53 | sjhill | i have the originial cyace cvs |
| 19:08.03 | sjhill | it's at home on my main computer |
| 19:08.08 | sjhill | i never uploaded it to my server |
| 19:08.09 | sjhill | maybe i should |
| 19:10.23 | ade|desk | sjhill: when you booted using cyace, it booted a kernel on fat that could read the kernel cmdline and then use a root else where right? |
| 19:10.40 | ade|desk | no initrd needed |
| 19:11.21 | sjhill | ade|desk: honestly, i never used cyace |
| 19:11.48 | ade|desk | sjhill: what did you use / |
| 19:11.50 | sjhill | i handed over my loadlce code to brad gave some comments and that ws it |
| 19:11.58 | sjhill | ade|desk: pbsdboot....the netbsd loader |
| 19:12.15 | ade|desk | ok, did that require an initrd? |
| 19:12.32 | sjhill | depends on what your kernel supports |
| 19:12.41 | sjhill | all it does is boot the kernel |
| 19:12.55 | ade|desk | ie could you boot a kernel and have the root on a cf ? |
| 19:13.04 | sjhill | sure, if you have the device driver for the cf |
| 19:13.11 | sjhill | i use initrd |
| 19:13.25 | sjhill | simply because i never did the cf driver |
| 19:13.34 | ade|desk | ok ta |
| 19:13.38 | sjhill | l8r |
| 19:14.27 | ade|desk | time to look at how the vr41xx did its cf compared with sa1110 |
| 19:17.43 | sorphin | man, sjhill is a spammy bitch |
| 19:17.49 | kergoth | hmmmmmm |
| 19:17.50 | sorphin | someone should make him work w/ MIPS :P |
| 19:18.08 | sorphin | kergoth: yes Oz/OEboy? |
| 19:21.25 | Lethal | most of the vr41xx cf stuff is just an ide driver |
| 19:21.29 | Lethal | at least it was for 4131 |
| 19:22.13 | Lethal | but it depends on the board. casio likes to use some lame ass proprietary asic in a lot of their early model pdas. |
| 19:22.20 | Lethal | but thats mostly 4111/4102 crap |
| 19:24.19 | ade|desk | hmm, trying to think of a way to have both cf as ide driver and then have pcmcia proper |
| 19:25.58 | Lethal | erm |
| 19:26.01 | Lethal | that sounds sick |
| 19:26.06 | Lethal | have fun with it |
| 19:26.07 | Lethal | :P |
| 19:26.15 | ade|desk | any ideas welcome |
| 19:27.24 | Lethal | no idea about the pcmcia stuff. but ide should be trivial |
| 19:27.49 | Lethal | for most of those you should be able to clone off of eagle or e55 or whatever the hell is in there now |
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| 19:31.04 | ade|desk | hmm how to have two drivers address the same device at the same time |
| 19:34.32 | ade|desk | ok how about this, if the pcmica is populated by one cf disk, then the pcmcia will only beable to use the second slot. simple. ie slot1: ide driver slot2:pcmcia. slot 1 will never be used by pcmcia, cos you'd loose the root if you pull it out |
| 19:35.13 | ade|desk | if no slot2 no pcmcia ever needed |
| 19:43.27 | Russ | ade|desk: why not modularize it a bit |
| 19:43.35 | Russ | so that the cf ide sits on top of pcmcia |
| 19:43.38 | ade|desk | meaning ? |
| 19:43.57 | ade|desk | right |
| 19:43.58 | Russ | meaning? that it treats it just as any other pcmcia device |
| 19:46.07 | Russ | what was that cheap dsl provider besides speakeasy? |
| 19:46.35 | ade|desk | bootloader is to grab the kernel and use the cf as the root, no initrd. if it was to stay as pcmcia then i'd need the pcmcia crap in an initrd to then use the cf root |
| 19:46.50 | Russ | why no initrd? |
| 19:47.03 | ade|desk | cos its big an ugly |
| 19:47.09 | Russ | you just have a small one that mounts root, then does a piviot_root |
| 19:47.28 | kergoth | he wants root on cf, which means he needs cardmgr & shit, which he doesnt want |
| 19:47.30 | kergoth | right? |
| 19:47.38 | kergoth | (in the initrd that is) |
| 19:47.54 | prpplague | kergoth: you don't have to have cardmgr to use pcmcia |
| 19:48.03 | kergoth | prpplague: eh? |
| 19:48.11 | kergoth | manually loading the modules sure as hell doesnt make it work |
| 19:48.14 | kergoth | last i heard it required it |
| 19:48.16 | ade|desk | what i'd like is a way to boot an PPC ipaq to familiar on a CF |
| 19:48.57 | prpplague | kergoth: no, i have a thinclient rootfs that i have running with with no cardmgr, just modules and such |
| 19:49.14 | ade|desk | so for the idea is to use linexec on PPC+ a bit, as bootldr. |
| 19:49.34 | kergoth | prpplague: url me. |
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| 19:50.04 | prpplague | kergoth: ok, i'll see if i have it posted, give me a sec |
| 19:50.08 | ade|desk | then use the generic familiar kernel onto a familiar root on the cf . job done |
| 19:50.34 | kergoth | prpplague: thanks |
| 19:52.14 | prpplague | kergoth: i have the one using a 802.11b card without cardmgr, that'll do? or you want one that does a pivot root to the pcmcia-flash card? |
| 19:52.15 | ade|desk | but if i can get the generic kernel to include a bit at cmdline with say 'ide-cf'then the kernel would kick in the cf ide driver, and mask the slot1 from the pcmcia modules built in the normal familiar manner |
| 19:53.10 | ade|desk | prpplague: how big is your initrd to pivot_root pcmcia ? |
| 19:53.43 | prpplague | ade|desk: trying to locate it now |
| 19:54.05 | prpplague | ade|desk: iirc it was just modules and a few scripts |
| 19:54.27 | ade|desk | uclibc etc ? |
| 19:54.50 | prpplague | ade|desk: this was an older rootfs with standard libc |
| 19:55.34 | prpplague | kergoth: http://www.abcsinc.com/yopy/tcsx1-wavelan.tar.gz |
| 19:55.52 | prpplague | kergoth: that one is the no cardmgr 802.11b pcmcia rootfs |
| 19:56.15 | prpplague | kergoth: it was never put into production but worked fine |
| 19:56.29 | ade|desk | 5 meg! |
| 19:56.57 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm gonna have to restore a tape for the one with the pivot root to cf |
| 19:56.59 | file[wifi] | 4.91MB! |
| 19:57.06 | prpplague | ade|desk: thats and example for kergoth |
| 19:57.15 | ade|desk | ah |
| 19:57.20 | ade|desk | sorry |
| 19:58.53 | prpplague | kergoth: there is a simple shell script in /bin of the rootfs tarball called pcmcia that inits the 802.11b card |
| 19:58.59 | prpplague | kergoth: nothing fancy |
| 19:59.11 | kergoth | prpplague: cool, thanks |
| 19:59.38 | prpplague | kergoth: no bad jokes about the ugly rootfs |
| 20:00.27 | Russ | I need to get a 256M doc for my TCSX |
| 20:00.42 | Russ | and then hack yaffs support into grub |
| 20:00.45 | prpplague | Russ: thats kind expensive isn't it? |
| 20:01.13 | prpplague | Russ: why not get a cf->ide adapter and use a cf card? |
| 20:01.20 | file[wifi] | no TCSX for poor file... oh wlel |
| 20:01.30 | Russ | to get raw flash |
| 20:01.36 | prpplague | Russ: ahh |
| 20:01.42 | Russ | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2752682516&category=167 |
| 20:01.55 | prpplague | Russ: wow |
| 20:02.00 | Russ | I should put some more programming boards up |
| 20:02.08 | Russ | I still have about 30 of those things |
| 20:02.19 | Russ | you want one? I'll throw in a 2M doc |
| 20:02.48 | prpplague | Russ: programming boards? |
| 20:03.03 | prpplague | Russ: isa card with DOC addressable socket? |
| 20:03.26 | Russ | right |
| 20:03.28 | Russ | 3 sockets |
| 20:04.13 | prpplague | Russ: mine only have one socket |
| 20:04.17 | Russ | you can get about $20 bucks on ebay for each one of those as long as you don't flood ebay |
| 20:04.30 | Russ | prpplague: those are the official m-sys ones, I have a few of those too |
| 20:04.56 | ade|desk | Russ: sold as is ! brave man |
| 20:04.57 | prpplague | Russ: ahh |
| 20:05.21 | prpplague | Russ: i purchased a bunch of zif sockets to put on these |
| 20:07.21 | prpplague | Russ: we were using DOC alot on x86 systems, but we found it was cheaper to just use cf->ide adapters and a cf card |
| 20:07.41 | Russ | I hate their transition layer though |
| 20:07.45 | Russ | I just want nand flash |
| 20:08.09 | prpplague | Russ: yea, well for simple thin client x86 stuff they are major cheap and easy |
| 20:08.41 | prpplague | Russ: was able to get double the storage at half the cost and with less revision problems |
| 20:08.50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'm with you on that one |
| 20:09.29 | Russ | usb flash isn't raw either, is it |
| 20:10.01 | prpplague | kergoth: doh, i lied |
| 20:10.11 | prpplague | kergoth: that image does have cardmgr on it |
| 20:10.58 | prpplague | kergoth: but its a hacked version thats pretty small |
| 20:11.11 | kergoth | hacked in what way? |
| 20:12.06 | prpplague | kergoth: one sec |
| 20:12.44 | kergoth | k |
| 20:12.56 | Russ | is there anything you can get that gives you raw flash besides a doc? |
| 20:15.44 | prpplague | kergoth: sorry phone |
| 20:16.05 | prpplague | kergoth: we just riped out a bunch of the extract code out |
| 20:16.08 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I don't think so |
| 20:16.24 | prpplague | Russ: there are pc/104 modules that are pure flash |
| 20:16.41 | Russ | well, a 512Mb part is $20 |
| 20:17.00 | kergoth | prpplague: gotcha. cool |
| 20:17.09 | Russ | what about smartmedia? |
| 20:18.15 | prpplague | kergoth: was a first attempt at some more complicated rootfs stuff for me, pretty ugly and not too standardized |
| 20:20.34 | kergoth | k openssh is into OE.. onto modutils, mtd, and tslib |
| 20:22.49 | prpplague | kergoth: cardmgr stripped for specific purpose was just 26k |
| 20:22.56 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 20:23.13 | prpplague | kergoth: i wonder what it would take to get that into bb |
| 20:23.15 | kergoth | hmm, should test dropbear+scp |
| 20:24.16 | Russ | http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=raw+nand+flash&btnG=Froogle+Search |
| 20:24.21 | Russ | heh, kernel source, $35 |
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| 20:38.35 | prpplague | andersee: hey hey mr.bb |
| 20:38.46 | andersee | prpplague: morning |
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| 20:56.36 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - I am in such a great mode |
| 20:56.38 | CosmicPenguin | mood |
| 20:56.45 | kergoth | bastard |
| 20:56.46 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:56.59 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I know |
| 20:57.03 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: whats up with that? :) |
| 20:58.00 | kergoth | ~/coding/projects/user/oe/packages$ ls -l tmp/deploy/tar/|wc -l |
| 20:58.01 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.04 | kergoth | 25 down, over 200 to go |
| 20:58.06 | kergoth | :\ |
| 21:01.32 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - so now Century and I have officially parted ways |
| 21:01.49 | CosmicPenguin | So I'm not really going to feel that bad about releasing the OZ packages any more |
| 21:02.24 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: is there any sort of tutorial on making an OE package from an existing OZ one? |
| 21:02.33 | kergoth | not yet, i need to write a transition guide |
| 21:02.45 | kergoth | you can see the example oe files though, its a incredibly simple format |
| 21:02.53 | CosmicPenguin | Sweet |
| 21:03.45 | kergoth | http://openembedded.bkbits.net:8080/packages/anno/content/zsh-4.1.1.oe@1.3?nav=index.html|src/|src/content |
| 21:03.53 | kergoth | theres an example of a build for an autoconf based package |
| 21:03.53 | kergoth | zsh |
| 21:04.20 | kergoth | you'll note the compile steps arent even _in_ the .oe, its all inherited from teh base oeclass which recognizes an autoconf-like buildsystem |
| 21:06.30 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, that seems to be fairly simple |
| 21:07.17 | kergoth | crosscompilation is handled transparently for autoconf, automatically sets CONFIG_SITE to supply the test results |
| 21:15.59 | CosmicPenguin | Ah, nuts he left |
| 21:16.20 | CosmicPenguin | for everyone else - A pixil release is expected before the end of the day |
| 21:18.47 | signal11 | oh really? tell me more. |
| 21:19.20 | signal11 | ok sorry that was un-called-for |
| 21:19.53 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: I just got off the phone with jason... :) |
| 21:20.07 | CosmicPenguin | jason wouldn't lie, would he? :) |
| 21:20.23 | signal11 | not intentionally, no |
| 21:21.04 | signal11 | he's been hacking quite a bit on penguin here. |
| 21:30.16 | file[wifi] | oh goody, my domain transfer was approved |
| 22:44.09 | Russ | ibot: openembedded? |
| 22:44.10 | | well, openembedded is both an 'alpha-buildsystem' (see http://openembedded.org and http://openembedded.bkbits.net) and the base name of various Linux distributions produced by said system. |
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| 23:35.25 | Russ | do you suppose the interface chip on a CF card could be reprogrammed to provide raw accesss |
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| 23:48.10 | jacques | Russ: hmm interesting question - I know they have controller chips, but I thought they were hard-wired |