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00:43.41file[wifi]hi Master MIPs
00:43.59sjhilllo' file[wifi]
00:44.21sjhill~ibot fishslap sorphin
00:44.22ACTION slaps sorphin up side the head with a wet fish.
00:45.49file[wifi]what's up?
00:46.24sjhillUSB device controller driver for an unreleased toshiba chip
00:46.45file[wifi]if it's unreleased... how can you be writing it...
00:47.15sjhillthe chip and documents are not shipping yet, only engineering releases
00:47.23file[wifi]ahhhhhhhhhhh ic
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00:53.27file[wifi]greetings Master andersee
00:53.40anderseefile[wifi]: g'day
00:53.46sjhilloh look, an andersee....i haven't seen one of those in the wild in weeks
00:53.49anderseefile[wifi]: how goes it?
00:53.58file[wifi]andersee: it goes.
00:54.03file[wifi]andersee: and yourself?
00:54.09anderseesjhill: heh
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02:22.13chouimatnight
03:05.05sorphinanyone still awake?
03:06.54jacquesyep
03:07.32sorphincompile the kernel, compile the modules (at the same time)
03:07.38sorphinmodutils claims the symbols are all unresolved
03:08.04jacqueswhat kernel? native arch?
03:08.22sorphinboth 2.4.18 and 2.4.22 (was working before my hw upgrade, heh)
03:08.26sorphinand yes, native
03:09.25jacqueshw upgrade?
03:10.09sorphinmb/cpu :P
03:10.37sorphinshould have 0 relevance to the prob tho :P (yes, the kernel is compiled for the new arch)
03:10.54jacquesi agree is should not be relevant
03:11.47sorphinno change
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03:23.30sorphinGPSFan: evening
03:35.17GPSFanhowdy dan.
03:35.28sorphinGPSFan: hows things?
03:35.59kergothhey GPSFan, sorphin
03:36.14GPSFanok, just got home, hi kergoth:
03:36.25sorphinkergoth: allo chris
03:37.35kergothfinally bought a damn computer chair
03:37.48sorphinkergoth: got a new one i bought a ways back still not using
03:37.54kergothafter how many months..
03:38.02sorphinneed some leather fixing stuff, there's a spot that is either dammaged, or just needs clean
03:38.07sorphinwanna make sure 1st
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04:34.23kergothhey TimRiker
04:34.49kergothfinally picked up a computer chair
04:34.56kergothyay for not working on the floor and getting backaches
04:40.05TimRikerheh. got a bed yet? or planning to work all night?
04:41.16kergothheh. i'll sleep on the floor, bed's next.
04:43.42sorphinkergoth: floor's better for your back :P
04:43.55TimRiker~lart tmake
04:44.01TimRiker~lart QTDIR
04:44.22kergoth~lart TT for the idea of the same var for source and binary, and for build and target
04:45.30sorphinkergoth: tho, after having worked at digi, only being larted is prolly a blessing ;)
04:45.49TimRiker~fishslap sorphin for not joining in
04:45.51ACTION slaps sorphin up side the head with a wet fish for not joining in
04:46.46sorphin~bitchslap timriker for not finding more on the DCT5k :P
04:46.47ACTION beats the sh*t out of timriker for not finding more on the DCT5k :P
04:46.58kergothmy dct is still in the trunk of my car
04:47.02kergothnever took it out after moving
04:47.08sorphinkergoth: i'm sure it's nicely toasted by now ;p
04:47.13kergothi'm sure
04:47.24kergothone of my prints on canvas was totally warped & shit
04:47.25sorphinchips sliding all over the board
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04:47.42sorphinkergoth: who needs a desoldering/soldering oven
04:47.46sorphinkergoth: just move to TX :P
04:47.55ricmmhello kergoth
04:48.01kergothhey ricmm
04:48.13ricmmhey, how are you?
04:48.21TimRikersorphin: email rigby till he cracks. ;-)
04:48.27TimRikerbbiab
04:48.30sorphinTimRiker: who?
04:48.56kergothOE is spookily quiet now
04:49.04kergothNOTE: package oz-toolchain-binutils-2.13.2-r0: task do_compile started
04:49.07kergoth*silence*
04:49.17sorphinkergoth: i think it's dead, Jim
04:49.29ricmm?
04:49.29kergothno, its not
04:49.32kergoththats why its spooky
04:49.35sorphinibot: rigby?
04:49.35sorphin: i don't know
04:49.37kergothyou cant tell its doing anything
04:49.38ricmmJim '
04:49.44kergothuntil it fails or succeeds anyway
04:49.53sorphinkergoth: ah, silent compiling
04:50.01sorphinkergoth: hope it's modules atleast work
04:50.11ricmmhey peple i have a big issue in here
04:50.11sorphinonly thing i can suspect w/ my prob is modutils
04:50.23sorphinricmm: kergoth is full of issues, stand in line ;)
04:50.30ricmmlol
04:50.56sorphinricmm: higher ;p
04:51.01ricmmhehe
04:51.14sorphin:P
04:51.28ricmmyou know that in the setup function for the board u are porting has something to set the io ports base, right?
04:51.40ricmmwhen i say u are, it is an example
04:51.45ricmm:P
04:52.08sorphinafter running that through a complex parser
04:52.14sorphinthe magic 8-ball says: Yes.
04:52.22ricmmok
04:52.45ricmmnow, in my thing, the one who made it set the io ports base to the registers base address
04:52.54ricmmbecause he accesses them with outl and inl
04:53.00sorphink
04:53.03ricmmnow
04:53.13ricmmthen how can i access the io ports space :s
04:53.18ricmmfor example in an IDE driver
04:53.31ricmmit will look below the io ports base, and since it is wrong, i will never reach them
04:53.50ricmmbut then i cannot change it, because the system will simply not start
04:54.05ricmmso i need some way to make the ide driver look somewhere else in another base address
04:54.22kergoth*cough*ioremap*cough*
04:54.29kergothbrb, another drink
04:54.33ricmmhow do i do that
04:54.39ricmmremember im a nwebie
04:54.44ricmms/nwebie/newbie
04:54.45ricmmhehe
04:54.49sorphinsorry, had to port my laundry to the dryer
04:54.58sorphin:P
04:55.25kergothhttp://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/pipermail/linux-arm/2001-November/002524.html
04:55.36ricmmis that for me :D
04:55.40sorphinyes
04:55.44kergothyou read. email as linked to from www.arm.linux.org.uk on how to, and how not to access pysical memory
04:55.48kergothyep
04:56.07kergothand next time check www.arm.linux.org.uk and the linux-arm-kernel mailing list archives before pestering people on irc
04:56.08ricmmthanks then :P
04:56.10kergothgood policy.
04:56.24ricmmoh
04:56.31ricmmthat wont apply for me
04:56.32ricmmno ARM inside
04:56.33ricmm:)
04:56.56sorphinuhh
04:57.03kergothwhat architecture?
04:57.05sorphinthen maybe you should spec the proc? :P
04:57.18ricmmmips
04:57.18kergothand have you bothered reading say, Documentation/ in the kernel tree?
04:57.24ricmmlittle endian :P
04:57.26ricmmsometimes
04:57.34sorphinricmm: look for some luser named sjhill around here
04:57.35sorphin;)
04:57.37ricmmnp
04:57.38kergothdoesnt look like our resident mips expert is around atm
04:57.40kergothyeh
04:57.41sorphinhe's mr mips
04:57.51ricmmsorphin i know, who you think mapped the ioports to the registers base :P
04:57.56ricmmhe
04:58.10sorphinsteven did?
04:58.13ricmmyep
04:58.15sorphinno wonder it sucks ;p
04:58.17ricmmfor the Nino
04:58.20kergothhah
04:58.20ricmmlol
04:58.28sorphinricmm: ok, so catch him here
04:58.31sorphinand bitchslap him aroun
04:58.32sorphind
04:58.34kergothgod that silent copmile is spooky
04:58.41kergothi really need to add different verbosity levels to the build
04:58.41sorphinkergoth: then turn it verbose :P
04:58.47kergothhehe
04:58.52kergothright now its either all or nothing
04:58.59ricmmhehe
04:59.07ricmmhmm
04:59.27kergothdoh!
04:59.29kergothi just realized
04:59.32kergoththat i havent eaten anything today
04:59.33kergothat all
04:59.33sorphinricmm: seriously tho
04:59.38kergothwtf
04:59.45sorphinbest be is to catch him, esp since he knows the code
05:00.16ricmmhehe, lol @ fajacion
05:00.34ricmmfajacion = working on that all the day
05:00.41ricmmnow it comes to my mind
05:00.45TimRikerrigby is john rigby at lineo (or whoever they are now)
05:00.47sorphinibot: sjhill
05:00.47i guess sjhill is mailto:sjhill@realitydiluted.com and a MIPS wh*re
05:00.48ricmmnothign...
05:00.55sorphinricmm: *points up*
05:01.04sorphinemail im
05:01.07ricmmsorphin my email servr is blacklisted there
05:01.12sorphinROTFL
05:01.21ricmmdont worry, i have been waiting for him since yesterday night
05:01.22sorphinricmm: been pestering him too much? ;)
05:01.30ricmmno, i have always been
05:01.35ricmmsince i was born
05:01.36ricmmlol
05:01.41sorphinricmm: try during daytime hours, he usually appears
05:01.45ricmmyp
05:01.54ricmmyep
05:02.02sorphinTimRiker: that still doesn't tell me who he is, otehr than some lineo'er
05:02.04sorphin:P
05:02.05ricmmbut now i think
05:02.27sorphinkergoth: mmmm.. ravioli :P
05:02.35TimRikersjhills blocklist is agressive. blocks all RDNS != DNS for example.
05:02.41ricmmhow is the ide driver execution way
05:02.43ricmmTimRiker yes
05:02.47kergothsorphin: bastard.
05:02.56sorphinTimRiker: good thing i rev mapped my ips to myself now :P
05:02.58TimRiker~dict bastard
05:03.00ricmmfirst it does what, reads the io ports table
05:03.09ricmmand then check them with check_region ?
05:03.23sorphinTimRiker: i resemble part of that :P (the 1st 2 :P )
05:03.49sorphinkergoth: hey, i live at home (tho i rent at home more like), so :P
05:03.51kergothricmm: use of check_region is deprecated, you should call request_region and check the return value
05:03.58kergothbrb
05:03.59TimRikerthen I guess kergoth wasn't lieing
05:04.00sorphinkergoth: you're the loser that moved and still doesn't eat
05:04.18sorphinTimRiker: indeed
05:04.27ricmmhey
05:04.28sorphinTimRiker: any more word on telecommute?
05:04.33sorphinricmm: no idea
05:04.42ricmmhow do i print an ide_ioreg_t variable
05:05.02ricmm%what
05:05.03ricmm:$
05:05.07sorphinricmm: ask it nicely if it will show you it's contents?
05:05.23ricmmoh right, i missed that, ill try
05:05.24TimRikersorphin: not likely to happen for quite some time.
05:05.41sorphinTimRiker: ah well
05:05.47ricmmsorphin no, really, how do i print it hehe
05:05.50TimRikerNeo's still hacked that he can't get the flex hours he'd like.
05:05.59sorphinno way
05:06.03ricmmsorry for the bothering, but im new to this
05:06.06sorphinTimRiker: ah, lovely
05:06.16sorphinTimRiker: kergoth pulling his weight yet? ;)
05:06.29sorphinricmm: never messed w/ the ide code in depth
05:06.36TimRikerwell, if oemake were working.... ;-) /me grins at kergoth
05:06.50kergothit works for some values of working
05:06.51kergoth:)
05:06.58ricmmor well, just some of those kernel variable types
05:07.01TimRikershhh... andersee used to maintain the ide layer.
05:07.05ricmmhow can i print them
05:07.10kergothhey, i'm nearly 2 weeks ahead of schedule atm
05:07.20TimRikerkergoth: ;-)
05:07.34anderseeTimRiker: nope.  Just ide-cd...
05:07.36andersee:-)
05:07.47TimRikeroh, yeah...
05:08.07anderseeTimRiker: the current ide layer is a big riddled pile of steaming crap.
05:08.13ricmmbut i just need to know how to print those types that only exists in the linux kernel
05:08.21TimRikeras opposed to some other time in the past?
05:08.21anderseeTimRiker: I wouldn't want anyone to think I was responsible for that!
05:08.29ricmmlol!
05:08.49TimRikerandersee: nor does anyone else.
05:10.46sorphinandersee: didn't... Andre handle the IDE for a long time?
05:11.12sorphinor something like that.. forget his full name
05:11.17sorphinreal prick
05:11.25anderseesorphin: yep.  Assuming one defines what he did as handling it.
05:11.31anderseesorphin: indeed
05:11.32sorphintrue
05:12.32anderseesorphin: these days he is trying to sell a binary only iSCSI stack for linux.  Which mostly means he trolls on linux kernel and occasionally spouts incomprehensibe verbage
05:12.52sorphinandersee: ah, nothing new then ;)
05:13.06anderseesorphin: noone I know has an effective Andre to English translation engine
05:13.17sorphinhe should work for SCO ;)
05:13.49sorphinhe'd fit in
05:14.53anderseesorphin: remember Jeff Merkey, of Timpanogos Research.  Dude that did the netware fs for linux (largely using code he ripped off from novell...)
05:15.00anderseesorphin: terribly annoying...
05:15.19sorphinandersee: there are/were a lot of annoyers
05:15.21anderseesorphin: anyway, Andre worked for him for a while.  And that was Canopy funded.  ;-)
05:15.36anderseesorphin: so, nearly SCO....
05:15.38sorphinandersee: sounds bout right then
05:16.30anderseesorphin: of course, TimRiker actually worked for SCO  :-)
05:16.38sorphinandersee: *snicker*
05:16.44TimRikerhey watch it with that...
05:16.48anderseesorphin: back when they called themselves Calders Intl..
05:16.54anderseehehehe
05:17.01TimRikerit was CalderaSystems, thank you very much.
05:17.02sorphinTimRiker: you worked for Caldera? you should feel dirty :P
05:17.29TimRikersorphin: I left when the aquired SCO, so actually I feel pretty good.
05:17.47anderseesorphin: then he went to work at Lineo (which was Caldra's evil twin brother)
05:17.53sorphinthis new incarnation is just pathetic tho
05:18.11sorphinandersee: and you worked there too
05:18.15anderseesorphin: of course, I was the one the recruited him, since I was working there.
05:18.20sorphinyup
05:18.49anderseeLater, they fired me, and made Tim CTO.
05:19.30sorphinCubicle Trash Officer? ;) (lead janitor)
05:19.35TimRikerand it was all downhill from there.
05:19.44anderseeTimRiker: yep
05:20.02TimRikerChief ToBeIgnored Officer, iirc
05:20.03sorphinandersee: that shoulda taught em for firing you then
05:20.07anderseeTimRiker: does Lineo even exist anymore?
05:20.15sorphinandersee: as motorola
05:20.22TimRikerLineo -> Metrowerks
05:20.29sorphinor that
05:20.30sorphinyeah
05:20.37TimRikersame thing.
05:20.45anderseeTimRiker: I wish they would take down oss.lineo.com some time.
05:21.02sorphinandersee: bout as likely
05:21.06anderseeTimRiker: I bet I still have root on there.  I should just power it down.  :-)
05:21.12sorphinas us stopping using wcomnet.com/wcom.com :P
05:21.16sorphineven tho we're MCI
05:21.23TimRikerbuilding "linux development tools, written for linux developers by linux developers" oh.. and they only run under windows.
05:21.31sorphinhehe
05:21.44sorphinTimRiker: and that firewall thing.. what was it..
05:22.15TimRikerandersee: you and I have root on oss, I'll bet there's nobody else that does. once they renumber the addresses, it'll go away by itself.
05:22.23TimRikersorphin: snapgear
05:23.09sorphinlineo, fashionably late to the .bomb
05:23.47TimRikertimr     pts/1        12-237-229-200.c Mon Sep 15 17:49   still logged in  
05:23.47TimRikerkeith    pts/1        ip68-4-206-43.oc Thu Sep 11 17:54 - 10:10  (16:15)    
05:23.47TimRikerroot     pts/0        172.27.0.30      Tue Sep  9 13:42   still logged in
05:23.53TimRikerguess someone still has root.
05:23.59sorphinTimRiker: hopefully things will stay good at TI (secretly known as (T)imRiker, (I)nc.)
05:24.25anderseeTimRiker: I went in quite a while back and pointed busybox.lineo.com to metroworks...
05:24.42anderseeTimRiker: in the hope of making google searches not point there
05:24.52TimRikerandersee: did it work?
05:25.06anderseeTimRiker: http://www.google.com/search?q=busybox
05:25.13TimRiker~google for busybox
05:25.27TimRikernot yet. ;-/
05:25.38anderseeBeen quite a while now too
05:25.50ricmmhey
05:25.53ricmm<3
05:25.57anderseedunno, I guess somewhere important must still be linked to bb.l.c
05:26.42ricmm<3
05:28.06ricmm:)
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05:29.42TimRikergotta love recursive run away makefiles...
05:30.05TimRikerOut of Memory: Killed process ...
05:35.31anderseeTimRiker: ouch
05:36.00anderseeTimRiker: you'll be pleased to know then that Marcelo removed the oom killer from 2.4.23-pre4
05:36.06anderseeTimRiker: not
05:36.45anderseeTimRiker: much better to have your machine wedge solid...
05:42.58sorphinandersee: welll
05:43.03sorphinthe OOM has never saved me
05:43.19sorphinusually it would start killing things before reclaiming any cached memory or using swap
05:43.20anderseehas me
05:44.16anderseethough it would be nice if there were an echo "365 8743 9453" > /proc/vm/oom-killer-pid-list
05:44.20TimRikerjust did for me.
05:44.29TimRikerat least the machine did not lockup.
05:44.42anderseeto let you pick the most suitable victims
05:44.46TimRikerswitch to console, login, "killall make" and I'm back.
05:45.28TimRikerandersee: it's rarely static PIDs that you want to kill. I would not find that too useful.
05:46.06TimRikerflag the last PID, and start killing PID-- would work better imho
05:46.21anderseeTimRiker: perhaps
05:46.27anderseeTimRiker: I dunno
05:46.43anderseeTimRiker: regardless, apparently the oom killer is no more
05:47.56TimRikerhmm
05:48.21sorphinbut then
05:48.31sorphinthe boxes i'd even have to worry about
05:48.39TimRikermaybe that's why it never saved you? ;-)
05:48.40sorphinhave 1G of memory or higher
05:49.14sorphinTimRiker: i turned it off because it would, as i said, refused to pull from cache mem
05:49.19sorphininstead it would just kill things
05:51.31sorphinTimRiker: w/ 1.5G of mem
05:51.43sorphinit would cache 512M :P
05:51.44sorphinor more
05:51.53sorphinand then, not even give it up for processes
05:51.59sorphinbig waste
06:51.17TimRikersorphin: try jrigby@metrowerks.com.
06:51.56TimRikersorphin: tell him you are looking for the dct5000 boot rom.
07:12.15sorphinTimRiker: :)
07:27.47TimRikersorphin: fine.
07:44.40sorphinTimRiker: k
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13:09.49chouimatmorning
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13:49.47chouimatprpplague: morning
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13:59.49prpplagueman is this a joke or what - http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9214394349.html
14:00.42chouimatprpplague: about what?
14:05.40prpplaguechouimat: i tried to work with royal over a year ago on that unit, they kept telling me it was already available
14:05.46prpplaguechouimat: i paid for two units
14:05.57prpplaguechouimat: and they still haven't shipped anything
14:06.18prpplaguechouimat: and i still have a problem getting the money off my credit card
14:06.31chouimatprpplague: ouch
14:08.35CosmicPenguinGood morning
14:09.11CosmicPenguinIts all a lie
14:09.31CosmicPenguinBut check out Rick Leherbham  - he couldn't resist taking a swipe at Royal for the Pixil disaster
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14:14.17CosmicPenguinWhat a tool that guy is - he talked big about Linux for so long, and when the tide turned, along came http://windowsdevices.com/
14:14.20CosmicPenguinBOOO!!!!
14:15.46prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea, i know
14:16.44CosmicPenguinHe and Greg are great friends
14:17.06prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i really hate QT
14:17.44prpplagueCosmicPenguin: its good that vendors are going in the same direction so apps can be shared, but darn, did it have to be QT?
14:18.10CosmicPenguinThats OK - who really uses QT anyway?
14:19.17CosmicPenguinI think everyone who bought a Z has just stuck OZ on there
14:19.18CosmicPenguinprpplague: and to be fair, QT is the only half way stable and reliable toolkit that is avilable for the embedded world
14:19.18CosmicPenguinWhat, are they going to stick Gnome2 on a 8MB device?
14:20.44CosmicPenguinYou can't hate Trolltech for being the only ones smart enough to see the writing on the wall
14:22.08prpplagueCosmicPenguin: agreed
14:22.49prpplagueCosmicPenguin: just wish their was a good OSS project that was as wide spread accepted
14:23.32CosmicPenguinprpplague: I should amend that - you can't blame Trolltech for being the only ones smart enough to see the writing on the wall and actually come through with a product
14:25.33prpplagueCosmicPenguin: agreed
14:26.17prpplagueCosmicPenguin: just don't like the license or the overall code
14:42.40sorphinhmm
14:42.47sorphinSCI doing a city to city tour
14:42.52sorphinerm SCO
14:42.57sorphinand they're coming here
14:43.01sorphinthis should be fun ;)
14:45.06CosmicPenguinsorphin: its not fun - I have to deal with them every day
14:45.16CosmicPenguinSupid laws
14:46.56sorphinCosmicPenguin: no, i meant it'll be fun when they show up here and someone re-enacts the bill gates pie in the face :P
14:47.27CosmicPenguinWould that someone be you? :)
14:48.27sorphinCosmicPenguin: selling out to uncle Darl eh?
14:48.55CosmicPenguin<robot voice> yes.  We must follow SCO. SCO is good</robot>
14:49.13CosmicPenguinThey must be putting something in the water - or maybe it was the Mormon missionaries who came to my door yesterday
14:50.52sorphinheh
14:51.37sorphinCosmicPenguin: just think good thoughts, after all, pixil lives, pixil's "free" to roam now, you have paying contracts..
14:52.08CosmicPenguinsorphin: Wow - that snapped me out of it
14:52.26sorphin:)
14:52.48sorphinCosmicPenguin: it's just like mexico, don't drink the water :P
14:52.57CosmicPenguinlol
14:53.19CosmicPenguinIn other news, this new CPU fan i got makes a world of difference
14:54.33sorphinyeah, the one on the new P4 could be faster
14:54.52sorphini forget, can't ibot do temp translation?
14:58.59CosmicPenguinprpplague: you there?
14:59.54CosmicPenguinprpplague: nmn
15:01.09prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea
15:01.13prpplagueCosmicPenguin: what up?
15:01.48CosmicPenguinprpplague: I figured it out
15:02.53prpplagueCosmicPenguin: okie dokie
15:03.11prpplagueCosmicPenguin: btw, thanks for the sample code the other day
15:04.18CosmicPenguinprpplague: did it work out ok for you?
15:10.23prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yep, it works great
15:10.35prpplagueCosmicPenguin: nice little kiosk price checker
15:10.54prpplagueCosmicPenguin: by the way
15:11.23sorphinprpplague: oh
15:11.27sorphinthat finally reminds me
15:11.32prpplagueCosmicPenguin: is there any know issue of passing a widget type and a FILE in the same function call?
15:11.35sorphinprpplague: walmart's self checkout things
15:11.41sorphinneat lil setup
15:11.41CosmicPenguinto a callback?
15:11.50CosmicPenguinsorphin: doze based
15:12.02sorphinCosmicPenguin: i meant the hw setup
15:12.06prpplaguesorphin: yea, i saw them, but i don;t shop at wal-fart
15:12.20prpplagueCosmicPenguin: no, just standard function call
15:12.25sorphinprpplague: yeah, that's cuz you're a texan :P
15:12.58prpplaguesorphin: no because wal-mart destroyes local communities and then packs up and leaves
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15:13.13CosmicPenguinprpplague: can you give me an example?
15:13.25prpplagueCosmicPenguin: getdata(mywidget, fp);
15:13.59prpplagueCosmicPenguin: where the define is int getdata(Fl_Widget temp, FILE *myfp)
15:14.35CosmicPenguinprpplague: why wouldn't you be able to do that?  If its just a regular function call, you can do whatever the hell you want
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15:14.47prpplagueCosmicPenguin: well gcc chokes on it
15:16.19prpplaguesorphin: we have about 10 towns in the area that were perfectly fine without wal-mart, store opens, all the local business go under, no jobs, everyone moves away, no money to buy stuff at the wal-mart, so it closes, leaving a dead town
15:20.49prpplagueCosmicPenguin: here -
15:20.49prpplagueIn file included from bitsy.cxx:3:
15:20.50prpplaguebitsy.h:25: type specifier omitted for parameter
15:20.50prpplaguebitsy.h:25: parse error before `*'
15:21.03prpplagueCosmicPenguin: thats what i get when using that function call
15:21.40sorphinprpplague: must just happen there, i've seen just the opposite
15:21.43sorphinbut anyhoo
15:23.24CosmicPenguinprpplague: yuo should pass the Fl_Widget as a pointer, because it probably doesn't have a copy constructor
15:23.26CosmicPenguinbut other than that
15:23.27prpplaguesorphin: with regards to wal-mart?
15:24.04prpplagueCosmicPenguin: if i use fp as a global variable, and just pass the widget, everything works fine
15:24.17prpplagueCosmicPenguin: just having trouble understanding why i can't pass both args
15:30.23CosmicPenguinflood me the function and its call
15:33.45prpplague<PROTECTED>
15:33.45prpplaguesigned char c;
15:33.45prpplaguechar buf[255];
15:33.45prpplaguewhile ((c = fgetc(myfp)) != EOF) {
15:33.46prpplagueif (c == '\r'){
15:33.48prpplaguebuf[mycount]='\0';
15:33.50prpplaguebreak;
15:33.52prpplague}
15:33.56prpplagueif (c != '\n') {
15:33.58prpplaguebuf[mycount]=c;
15:34.00prpplaguemycount=mycount+1;
15:34.02prpplague}
15:34.04prpplague}
15:34.06prpplaguetemp_out->value(buf);
15:34.08prpplaguereturn 0;
15:34.10prpplague}
15:34.12prpplagueoops
15:34.14prpplaguesorry
15:37.06prpplagueCosmicPenguin: see anything wrong with that?
15:38.03CosmicPenguinDid you include <FL/Fl_Widget.H>?
15:38.12CosmicPenguinANSI C++ is annoying like that
15:38.34prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea
15:38.56prpplagueCosmicPenguin: seems to be around the "FILE *" declaration
15:39.40CosmicPenguinAre you positive its not pissed at the  Fl_Widget declaration
15:39.52CosmicPenguinOr rather, at the Fl_Output?
15:40.35prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i can declare fp as a global variable and just do set_value(Fl_Output *temp_out) and it works fine
15:41.03CosmicPenguin#include <stdio.h>
15:41.08CosmicPenguinRight?
15:42.23prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yep
15:43.06prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i can even put change the argument to an int for testing and that works too
15:43.21CosmicPenguinso its only the FILE* that freaks?
15:43.25prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i.e. set_value(Fl_Output *temp_out, int testme);
15:43.29prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea
15:43.44prpplagueCosmicPenguin: its like it doesn't know what the "FILE" type is
15:45.09CosmicPenguin3.2 gcc?
15:46.44prpplagueCosmicPenguin: 2.96
15:47.53CosmicPenguinprpplague: you're killing me...:)
15:48.00prpplagueCosmicPenguin: lol
15:48.10prpplagueCosmicPenguin: oh well, i'll google and see what i find
15:48.31CosmicPenguinIf you can, e-mail the code to me, and I'll try to compile it on this side
15:48.38CosmicPenguinMaybe your headers have been screwed up again... :)
15:50.58prpplagueCosmicPenguin: x86 build, same on multiple boxes
16:06.12prpplagueCosmicPenguin: found it
16:06.36prpplagueCosmicPenguin: turns out the include for stdio.h was AFTER the header include
16:06.51prpplagueCosmicPenguin: needed to move the stdio.h to the header
16:07.16kergothCosmicPenguin: url to your bootmenu bits?
16:08.17kergothCosmicPenguin: and any timeframe for pixil buildroot integration?  there's interest by a few of the OE devs in #openembedded.
16:08.37prpplaguekergoth: lol, gotta get pixil to build first, lol
16:08.49kergothoh yeah, that helps
16:08.50kergoth:)
16:08.51prpplaguekergoth: i'm 0 for 43 attempts
16:08.55kergotheek
16:08.59kergothOE works under windows :)
16:09.09prpplaguekergoth: i gave up on it yesterday
16:09.10prpplaguelol
16:10.22CosmicPenguinkergoth: since my OZ has been breaking all over the place, if you give me a hand, I can do it by today
16:10.34kergothcertainly
16:10.48kergothdamnit, i need a corkscrew binary for windows
16:10.55kergothso i can get my ssh connections through the firewall
16:11.12CosmicPenguinhttp://www.cosmicpenguin.net/bootmenu/
16:11.24kergoththanks
16:11.43CosmicPenguinI assume step 1 is to bk the code
16:12.39kergothI need more info on where things stand for you atm
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16:13.13CosmicPenguinkergoth: ok
16:42.52sorphinhrm
16:42.59sorphingot a response from john rigby
16:43.10sorphinTimRiker: and it's not a good one
16:43.18sorphinSorry I really can't help.  All the info I have about this box came
16:43.18sorphinunder non disclosure.  If you are really desperate you can do what I
16:43.18sorphindid...disassemble the roms.  The processor is the same as the one in the
16:43.18sorphinNEC ddb5476 eval board which is supported in the mips-linux tree.
16:43.34kergothblech.
16:43.52CosmicPenguinbah
16:44.03sorphinwhich does shite for me, since i don't partse mips ASM
16:44.30CosmicPenguinIts the easiest assembly to parse, though
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16:57.39leviCosmicPenguin: So, did you get buildroot-tux to work?
16:58.41sorphinCosmicPenguin: i used to part x86 asm very well
17:03.05CosmicPenguinlevi: we'll see
17:03.41TimRikersorphin: bummer. I'll ping him and see if I can talk him into anything.
17:04.55sorphinTimRiker: k :)
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17:08.27LenoliumCosmicPenguin: Hey, if you get a good image together, ship me a link, I'm way interested in playing with pixil on the tux
17:09.14CosmicPenguinLenolium: all will be posted shortly
17:09.44CosmicPenguinmark_: whats the news?
17:09.49leviDamn, and I just put my tux back in its box. :/
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17:11.47chouimatibot: seen tomw
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17:13.37CosmicPenguinlookin' good!
17:16.30CosmicPenguinkergoth: I got pixil working again for the tux - next step is the Z
17:17.17kergothexcellent.
17:17.45CosmicPenguinWhat do you need from me?
17:18.15kergotha patch that contains the dirs from packages
17:18.25CosmicPenguinfor oz or oe?
17:18.25kergothor tarball
17:18.40kergothup to you.
17:18.49kergotheither you convert them to oe now,  or i do it later
17:19.06CosmicPenguincan oe generate an image yet?
17:19.21kergothright now just packages, and of that only a minimal set
17:19.25CosmicPenguinok
17:19.41kergothonly like 37 packages out of a total of 300 or so are in
17:20.26CosmicPenguinOk
17:20.27chouimatkergoth: being lazy?
17:20.53kergothbah. look at the number of changesets in OE in the past week
17:20.54kergoth:)
17:20.55CosmicPenguinI need to get this website buinsess worked out
17:24.10chouimatkergoth: I was joking btw ... anyway I going out for lunch later
17:24.23kergothgood plan
17:24.24Russall you ssh are belong to us
17:24.31kergothi should not skip lunch today for once
17:25.14chouimatkergoth: yup food is very important
17:26.05chouimatRuss: huge hole?
17:28.05LenoliumFor you debian unstable/testing guys: http://incoming.debian.org/ssh_3.6.1p2-6.0_i386.deb
17:29.14kergothurl to the patch?
17:31.18CosmicPenguinhttp://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=106371592604940&w=2
17:31.31CosmicPenguinOr upgrade to 3.8
17:31.33CosmicPenguinsorry, 3.7
17:31.45kergothah, k
17:42.11prpplagueCosmicPenguin: is there an exploit available already?
17:44.18Lenoliumprpplague: Aparently, there is an exploit around in the wild.
17:46.20CosmicPenguinbring it on!
17:50.18CosmicPenguinupgrade early and often
17:52.34prpplagueLenolium: how long has it been out, we probably have a box that might be r00ted then
17:53.08prpplagueLenolium: just started seeing some odd stuff with ssh on a customer box in the last 5 days
17:53.29CosmicPenguinprpplague: word has it was a 0 day exploit
17:53.47CosmicPenguinprpplague: symptoms appear to be a large number of SSH attempts trying to overflow the buffer
17:55.10sorphinCosmicPenguin: tis on /., that's all i know
17:59.44prpplagueCosmicPenguin: is there a cert pub on it yet?
18:02.34CosmicPenguinI don't see one
18:04.50CosmicPenguinI think what happend is that the bug was fixed in 3.7, and thats how the kiddes found it
18:06.13prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ahh
18:06.23prpplagueCosmicPenguin: well all of our rhat9 boxes are effected
18:07.59Lenolium3.7 also seems to change a lot of other things, so running a patched 3.6 is what most of the distros are doing right now.
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18:11.04prpplaguehmm rhat doesn't appear to have a 3.6 upgrade listed yet
18:11.40CosmicPenguinand you are... surprised/
18:13.40sorphinguess i'm behind :P
18:13.42sorphin3.0p1 :P
18:14.03kergoth3.0? heh, damn
18:14.45prpplaguesorphin: doh
18:15.05kergothsorphin: apt-get is your friend
18:15.30CosmicPenguineven on RH, apt-get is your friend
18:15.33kergothyup
18:15.51kergothdag's rh apt feeds are quite nice, plus theres the freshrpm ones for stock
18:16.17sorphinkiddies are more interested in trying to anon ftp me
18:16.19sorphinwhen they can't
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18:26.52Russsorphin: just wait till someone whips up a quick worm, eh?
18:36.16sorphinRuss: i've been running this ver for ages
18:36.38sorphinall ppl ever hit on is trying to poke at portmap, and anon ftp where there is none
18:39.04LenoliumCosmicPenguin: If I get this pixil stuff running on my tuxscreen I'll have to buy you betos some night. (the 33rd south one is the best)
18:41.30sorphini wanna (if i ever get tome) pixil an x86 device :P
18:41.40sorphintime even
18:46.06CosmicPenguinI prefer molcasalsa personallly
18:50.57Russhttp://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,112491,00.asp
18:52.04prpplagueRuss: interesting
18:53.59RussPCI-X, coming to a handheld near you
18:54.04sorphinCosmicPenguin: what's the avg footprint for a decent pixilation? (this device has a 16M DOC), tho can use something else if need be
18:55.38Russsuppose the usb flash adapters will become kinda universal then, since the new standard has usb 2.0 pins
18:55.57Russsorphin: would you mind porting yaffs to grub?
18:56.03CosmicPenguinsorphin: with uclibc somewhere in the 3 to 4 MB range
18:56.14CosmicPenguindepending on your options - you probably won't want Doom for example
18:57.56sorphinCosmicPenguin: right
18:57.59sorphinRuss: ?
18:58.15Russsorphin: are you familiar with yaffs?
18:58.29sorphinyet another flash file system?
18:58.35Russright
18:58.38sorphinheard of it
18:58.43sorphindon't really know it
18:58.52Russits basically designed from the ground up for nand
18:58.53LenoliumCosmicPenguin: I used to. But then the sizes started getting smaller, and the prices started to go up. About the same time they put super nachos on the menu.
18:59.01Russits so good, even ce has support for it now
18:59.18Russit mounts on raw nand flash
18:59.29Russso none of the silly journalling file system on NFTL thing
19:00.45sorphinRuss: so would it work w/ a DOC then?
19:01.08Russyup
19:01.12Russ(afaik)
19:01.32sorphinhmm
19:01.44sorphinmay dig into it if i get the chance
19:01.50Russor you could buy one of these neato things (true-ide) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2753601448&category=11160
19:01.51sorphinsince my device is x86
19:01.58sorphinshould be straightforward
19:02.16CosmicPenguinprpplague: you figure out your woes yet?
19:02.29Russon a 16M device, you may want jffs2 instead, I'm not sure
19:02.36Russyaffs is much faster, but it doesn't do compression
19:03.08CosmicPenguin/bin/sh: scripts/mkdep: Argument list too long
19:03.08CosmicPenguinmake[2]: *** [dep-files] Error 126
19:03.08CosmicPenguinmake[2]: Leaving directory `/user/projects/platforms/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/linux-2.4.21-cl1'
19:03.10CosmicPenguinThats a fun bug
19:03.19sorphinRuss: ah, a *real* flash drive
19:05.34Russgoing to see if I can get my hands on a 144M doc, and put debian on it
19:05.50prpplagueCosmicPenguin: woes?
19:06.18Russprpplague: what was that voltage regulator called again?
19:06.49prpplagueRuss: AIC1048CT
19:07.15Russhmm...too bad digikey is broken right now
19:07.34sorphinRuss: digiscam is always b0rked :P
19:14.29Russprpplague: also, if I want to populate the other ram sockets, do I just use the same part #?
19:14.34Russis there anything else I have to change?
19:15.07Russmaybe R16/R17?
19:15.19prpplagueRuss: hmm i wasn't aware i had additional ram sockers
19:15.21prpplaguesockets
19:15.36Russthere are 4 footprints on here, and two ram chips
19:15.57prpplagueRuss: odd, there should be 4 chips
19:15.57Russu1 and u3 are populated
19:16.13Russthis board has 16M of ram iirc
19:16.19prpplagueRuss: i bet the suckers substitured and i didn't notice
19:16.52prpplagueRuss: iirc the original design should allow you to just add the additional chips
19:17.00prpplagueRuss: let me check real quick
19:17.05Russdid the original have 16M?
19:17.37prpplagueRuss: yea
19:18.02RussI don't reconize the brand of these chips
19:18.19prpplagueRuss: i have a 32mb model here iirc
19:18.24prpplagueRuss: i could just send that to you
19:18.35Russ51G5165FLTT6
19:18.48prpplagueRuss: thats odd
19:18.56Russthe 16M one can't do apt properly, and I can't swap
19:18.58prpplagueRuss: thats not the normal part number we used
19:19.20prpplagueRuss: ahh
19:19.29RussThe top line on the chip just says JAPAN FOUZ
19:19.31prpplagueRuss: well let me locate the 32mb board and test it
19:20.13prpplagueCosmicPenguin: what was that about woes?
19:28.42Russprpplague: that would be really cool
19:52.18CosmicPenguinprpplague: the compiler issue
19:53.06prpplagueCosmicPenguin: oh yea, turns out i had the stdio.h included after the bitsy.h header
19:53.25prpplagueCosmicPenguin: just moved the stdio.h include into bitsy.h and all was happy
19:53.46prpplagueCosmicPenguin: know better next time
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21:03.47mark_did everyone get their ssh updated
21:16.05sorphinmark: not till later
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21:42.10sorphinuh oh.. kergoth's pinging file..
21:42.13sorphinthis is scary
21:45.52kergothheheh
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22:10.18kergothbleh.
22:16.22CosmicPenguinbleh?
22:18.17kergothyep. bleh.
22:19.54prpplaguebleh bleh bleh
22:21.26kergothfuckers keep adding more autoconf tests
22:21.38kergothand not allowing config.cache/config.site setting of their results
22:21.43kergothand not specifying a default for the crosscopmile case
22:22.09prpplaguekergoth: doh
22:22.34prpplaguekergoth: that always irritates me when ppl don't think about the program being cross-compiled
22:22.55prpplaguelike native x86 builds are the only linux type
22:23.07kergoth<PROTECTED>
22:23.09kergothhmm
22:25.59prpplaguelater folks
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22:26.59ricmmhelou !
22:27.02ricmm.D
22:27.04ricmm:D
22:34.38ricmmhi kergoth
22:34.46kergothheh
22:34.47kergothhey
22:35.01ricmmis ssh giving you a bad time? :P
22:36.05CosmicPenguinopp - Other People's Pixil
22:36.07CosmicPenguinhehe
22:36.14CosmicPenguinYah down with OPP?
22:36.14kergothricmm: crosscompiling the new version (3.7p1)
22:36.27ricmm:o ok
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22:36.39kergothhm
22:36.44kergothwhats /etc/default/login used for?
22:36.57kergothanyone here on a debian box with that file?
22:37.04ricmmi am
22:37.12kergothwhats in that file?
22:37.19ricmmi dont have that file at all
22:37.20ricmm:s
22:37.24kergothhmm
22:37.24ricmmnever had it
22:37.27kergothwonder what it is.
22:37.39ricmmwait i have access to another debian box, let me see
22:38.05kergothwhat about /etc/login.conf?
22:38.20ricmmoh great now ssh refuses my connection
22:38.34ricmmkergoth: let me see
22:38.51ricmmi dont have that file either
22:38.56ricmmbut i have a login.defs
22:39.32kergothhmm
22:40.31kergothlooks like /etc/login.conf or /etc/default/login are for the default PATH for sshd
22:40.34kergothodd.
22:40.46kergothshould make it configure commandline overridable
22:40.47ricmmhmm weird
22:40.51ricmmi run a sshd here
22:40.54ricmmand i dont have those
22:40.55kergothrather than assuming this distro is the same distro i'll be running it on
22:41.12ricmmheh
22:41.16kergothricmm: could be something new in 3.7
22:41.21ricmmmaybe
22:42.19kergothohhh
22:42.27kergoththis default path is needed so sshd can find the scp binary and stuff
22:42.29kergothcool
22:42.37ricmm:o
22:43.54ricmm3.6.1p2-3 here
22:43.58Lenoliumkergoth: Aparently 3.7 redid the whole PAM system... I recommend running a patched version of 3.6
22:45.21kergothLenolium: this is for embedded, we dont enable the pam support anyway
22:45.47kergothbesides, adapting the CONFIG_SITE and configure.ac to be able to crosscompile is a Good Thing(tm) whether we need it right now or not.
22:45.47Lenoliumahh...
22:46.59kergothugh, their path mangling is a mess
23:00.32kergothhmm
23:01.18kergothah
23:01.27kergoththat explains that
23:13.21kergothfinally, 3.7p1 is building
23:16.45file[wifi]kergoth: pong
23:17.41kergothfile[wifi]: whats the scoop on web hosting.  I need hosting for openzaurus/openembedded that isnt free, so I can bitch if shit hits the fan.
23:19.42file[wifi]kergoth: what do you require?
23:19.55kergothgood question. should check the sf stats to see what kind of traffic we're getting
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