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00:20.07kergothjacques: whats the status of zynot nowadays? i'm outta the loop
00:22.22jacqueskergoth: me too latetly :-\
00:22.43jacquesthey are working feverishly on infrastructure still
00:23.32kergothi noticed.  ont he portage front, they still seem bound to a tool that isnt independent of the build distribution
00:23.35kergothwhich is unfortunate.
00:23.51kergothits possible to do a system which is the primary packaging system, yet doesnt require hooks into the build distro to have it function.
00:24.51jacqueshmmm yes that's a good point - I haven't been keeping up with the portage replacement
00:25.58CosmicPenguinkergoth: After dealing with OZ all day, I think I'm just going to move the pixil packages to OE and go from there
00:26.08CosmicPenguinThe world will have to wait a few more week for images
00:26.14kergothk
00:26.18kergothwill probably be easier
00:26.35CosmicPenguinI've got it running for the Tux, so that should be a good first start
00:26.44CosmicPenguinTomorrow, I'll put the bootmenu on the tux too
00:27.28jacqueskergoth: any snapshots of recent OE yet? :-)
00:28.20kergothjacques: bah, email kergoth@handhelds.org so i dont forget
00:28.51jacqueskergoth: will do :-)
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00:45.43chouimathttp://techcentralstation.com/081803C.html
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01:59.45LenoCosmicPenguin: So, what about an image for my tux? ;)
02:06.46kergothCosmicPenguin: have a patch here that makes your bootmenu makefile easier to work with from a buildroot/OE perspective
02:06.53kergothCosmicPenguin: whats your email addy?
02:25.03LenoIs it just me, or does the tuxscreen wiki seem to be weird?
02:25.40file[wifi]it's always been weird
02:27.13LenoAhh... the BuildRoot page doesn't seem to come up anymore.
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03:00.32file[wifi]hi Tim
03:05.44CosmicPenguinkergoth: jordan@cosmicpenguin.net
03:05.58CosmicPenguinPatches and tux images will be out tommorrow, I promise
03:06.47kergothk
03:08.00kergothCosmicPenguin: got mail
03:27.31CosmicPenguinkergoth`bbl: thanks
03:29.18LenoCosmicPenguin: Ahh, -k- I'll try it on X11 for tonight then...
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05:32.32TimRiker~dict internecine
05:37.55TimRiker~seen ds
05:37.55ds <~ds@adsl-67-113-234-227.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uclibc, 220d 1h 18m ago, saying: 'yes'.
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08:01.52Bruj0hello
09:02.16Russyoyo
09:20.50Bruj0did anybody have probs with the webpals IR keyb?
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10:12.18fontenotBruj0: what sort of problems?
10:12.35fontenotBruj0: don't use the batteries that come with it - they are old
10:12.54fontenotthe only problem I know of is the keyboard does not work well at all with weak batteries
10:13.01Bruj0fontenot: the IR keyb wont work
10:13.10Bruj0it gives a "Keyboard error 21"
10:13.24Bruj0bought new batteries
10:13.30fontenotoh I haven't seen that
10:13.48Bruj0also im not sure if the correct drive is being compiled in
10:14.00Bruj0i added a printk() there, but it didnt showup
10:14.40fontenothmm
10:15.02Bruj0i edited acorn/char/webpal_irkbd.c
10:16.26fontenotI don't know which driver is used
10:18.05Bruj0this keyboard is white, so im guessing its different
10:18.30fontenotyou cant tell which driver is used from the kernel config file in the tuxscreen buildroot ?
10:18.51Bruj0no, its hardcoded to use acorn-char.o
10:19.02Bruj0<PROTECTED>
10:19.05Bruj0there
10:19.24Bruj0arm-linux-ld  -r -o acorn-char.o webpal_irkbd.o defkeymap-webpal.o
10:19.28Bruj0and there it builds it
10:19.49fontenotoh crap
10:19.52Bruj0gonna try a new kernel
10:20.06fontenotI misread your first question
10:20.31fontenotsorry - I thought you were talking about a tuxscreen
10:21.44Bruj0nah webpal ;)
10:21.47Bruj0same error
10:22.41fontenotwell there are definitely ppl here who have hacked on webpals, but they are all asleep
10:22.54Bruj0ill stay then, thanx
10:24.56fontenotnp :-)
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13:40.48chouimatmorning
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14:02.02CosmicPenguinLock up your daughters - the plague is here
14:02.19prpplaguemuhahaha
14:02.52chouimathi prpplague
14:03.01jnorkI'm saving for a shotgun.
14:03.24chouimatprpplague someone build 4/8mb flash rom for the webpal
14:04.43prpplaguenice
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14:05.25chouimatprpplague I will order a 8mb one
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14:10.22kergothhey
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14:51.00CosmicPenguinuclibc has no support for versionsort?
14:51.05CosmicPenguinThe horror.  The horror.
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15:26.05sjhillCosmicPenguin: write is yourself you big baby
15:26.09sjhills/is/it/
15:26.10sjhill:)
15:26.23kergothhrmmmm
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15:47.07sorphinsjhill: yo
15:47.43sorphinsjhill: you've had some ricmm or somesuch looking for you, your Nino mips boy
15:52.53prpplagueibot: ricmm
15:52.53prpplague: i haven't a clue
15:52.57CosmicPenguinkergoth: I know its a PITA to convert those packages
15:53.07CosmicPenguinkergoth: but you forgot to change the title of the jpeg package... :)
15:53.17chouimathi sorphin CosmicPenguin sjhill
15:53.17prpplagueCosmicPenguin: linuxdevices has another headline about pixil
15:53.42kergothCosmicPenguin: no, i didnt
15:53.55kergothCosmicPenguin: allt he packages in OE are named per their sources, the _output_ packaging isnt done
15:54.03sorphinprpplague: was some sjhill mips code for the Nino he was on about
15:54.05kergothso its expected that its jpeg-6b, not libjpeg62
15:54.17CosmicPenguinkergoth: so the DESCRIPTION has no meaning then?
15:54.28kergothoh, thought you meant the .oe filename
15:54.32kergothdescription is used
15:54.32sorphinno thanks to apt-get
15:54.39CosmicPenguinsorry - I was being hasty
15:54.43sorphinwhich still has 3.6
15:54.46prpplaguesorphin: yea, i was just looking for ricmm real name
15:54.53kergothCosmicPenguin: the key at this point is getting the shit over and building
15:54.54sorphinprpplague: ah
15:55.06kergothCosmicPenguin: deviceisms, packaging, and nice vars for packaging, are low priority
15:55.11sorphinprpplague: he'll reappear i'm sure
15:55.16kergothCosmicPenguin: DESCRIPTION is only used in the ipk and rpm package classes
15:55.25CosmicPenguinprpplague:what changed?
15:55.44CosmicPenguinkergoth: no worries, I just happened to be in the jpeg file
15:55.50kergothk
15:55.57CosmicPenguinkergoth: I agree, functionality is key
15:56.01kergothhow do you like the .oe format atm?
15:56.05kergothsimple enough?
15:56.08prpplagueCosmicPenguin: what changed with what?
15:56.25CosmicPenguinkergoth: I just started - I'll let you know
15:56.29kergothk
15:56.38CosmicPenguinkergoth: I have to convert Microwindows, Pixil and w3c-www
15:56.51CosmicPenguinprpplague: the article was just an update - I wonder what was updated?
15:56.52prpplaguekergoth: imho OE has gotten too big
15:57.00kergothprpplague: buildroot?
15:57.14kergothbuildroot is dead. i'll be dancing on its grave in a few weeks
15:57.25kergothCosmicPenguin: feel like writing a conversion/transition guide? ;)
15:57.51CosmicPenguinkergoth: maybe
15:57.52sorphindebian's latest pool for openssh is 3.6.1p2
15:57.59CosmicPenguinkergoth: i"m not so good on the ol' documentation front
15:58.02sorphinthat fix the hole or not? (anyone know?)
15:58.19kergothCosmicPenguin: me either. hence the asking everyone who converts a package if they want to :)
15:59.50CosmicPenguinkergoth: whats the difference between RDEPENDS and DEPENDS?
16:00.04kergothruntime vs build
16:00.11kergothRDEPENDS Is used in the rpm and ipk packaging
16:00.27CosmicPenguinSo for shared libraries and the like then?
16:00.41kergothi.e.
16:00.48kergothDEPENDS = glibc
16:00.50kergothRDEPENDS = libc6
16:01.06CosmicPenguinalso, qte-2.3.6.oe has the following line:  DEPENDS=virtual/libc zlib libpng jpeg
16:01.07kergothgiven debian-like output package naming
16:01.12kergothyep
16:01.17CosmicPenguinwhile qte-2.4.7.oe has the line:  DEPENDS=virtual/libc zlib base/libpng base/jpeg
16:01.22CosmicPenguinWhich one is correct?
16:01.24kergothremnants of portage
16:01.26kergotheither works
16:01.28sorphinheh
16:01.31kergothbase is the 'CATEGORY'
16:01.35CosmicPenguinashh
16:01.45CosmicPenguinWhich one should be used going foward?
16:01.45kergotheach package PROVIDES:
16:01.49kergothCATEGORY/PN-PV-PR
16:01.52kergothPN-PV-PR
16:01.54kergothPN-PV
16:01.54kergothPN
16:02.06kergothwhere PN is package name, PV is package version, and PR Is package revision
16:02.14kergothyou can depend on any of them, depending on how specific you feel you need to be
16:02.17CosmicPenguingod it
16:02.19CosmicPenguingot it
16:02.24kergothgoing forward, i'd avoid the use of category, since its just a portage remnant
16:02.44CosmicPenguinok
16:03.03CosmicPenguinthe qte file also doesn't have a rdepends, but it does have a depends - does that mean rdepends isn't really nessesary?
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16:03.30kergothno, it means that, as i said once already, output packaging hasnt really been done
16:03.38kergothso output packaging's dpeendencies on the target are low prioirty
16:03.39CosmicPenguinI missed that part
16:03.39kergothpriority
16:04.03kergothright now it builds an output package of the name that is PN, and doesnt build subpackages (high granularity)
16:04.28kergothi want shit building first, then i'll populate output packaging variables like DESCRIPTION, SECTION, RDEPENDS and increase package granularity
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16:05.57kergothif you want to build a package of osmething..
16:06.08kergothINHERIT=package_{ipk,rpm,tar} oebuild blah blah.oe
16:06.23kergothor multiple. INHERIT="package_ipk package_tar" oebuild content/glibc-2.3.2.oe
16:06.34kergoththe config system will end up defining that for us, once it exists.
16:10.43CosmicPenguinkergoth: which build variable is best suited to determine the target patform, ie (ipaq, tuxscreen. etc..)
16:10.52kergothMACHINE
16:11.13kergothif you want to get that specific
16:11.18kergothgeneral 'arm' is in ARCH
16:13.53CosmicPenguinso for example, if [ "$MACHINE" = "ipaq" ]; then cp src/Config/config.ipaq src/config; fi
16:17.03mallumkergoth: transition guide would rock imho
16:17.17kergothmallum: indeed
16:17.44kergothCosmicPenguin: yeah.  would be good to have an 'else' case, some may not have MACHINE defined to something you expect
16:26.24CosmicPenguinkergoth: what if I did something stupid like define CONFIG-ipaq, CONFIG-zaurus, etc...
16:26.42CosmicPenguinand then do a cp src/Config/$CONFIG-${MACHINE} config
16:27.50kergoththatd work
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16:31.38CosmicPenguinkergoth: first impression - its tough moving from the makefile mindset back to the script mindset
16:31.59kergothi dont know what you mean
16:32.05kergothmake calls shell. OE calls shell or python.
16:32.25kergothvariable definitions are almost identical with the exception of ${} instead of $()
16:33.13kergothmake has 'include', OE has 'include' and 'inherit' due to its inheritence capability
16:33.55kergothor do you mean the way we define 'targets' aka 'functions'?
16:34.01kergothblah () { } vs blah:?
16:34.17kergothi dont like the excessive bracketing myself, i'd prefer moving to a make-like or python-like target definition format
16:35.51CosmicPenguinwhats the patch=1 syntax for?
16:36.05CosmicPenguinon the SRC_URI?  How do I handle a bzipped patch?
16:38.20kergothpatch=1 informs the world that its a patch
16:38.26kergothit doesnt go by filename to determine that
16:38.29kergothwhich increases flexibility
16:38.37kergothit automatically bunzip2's if its a bzipped patch
16:38.54kergothhttp://blahb.com/test.patch.bz2;patch=1
16:39.01kergothwill obtain, extract, then patch it
16:46.35CosmicPenguinA local strip joint is hosting (and I'm totally not kidding about this) :  Tits for Tots
16:46.50CosmicPenguinTo raise money for Bikers Against Child Abuse
16:47.16kergothhaha
16:47.17kergothoh my.
16:47.31CosmicPenguinWhat an unfortunate name
16:50.52CosmicPenguinAnd then there was one
16:51.20mallumI finally went to a strip joint for my stag night
16:51.34CosmicPenguinsigh
16:51.45CosmicPenguinone nick left, and he's asleep
16:53.44CosmicPenguinkergoth: I do like being able to do advanced script stuff without having to toss in a bunch of semicolons and slashes
16:54.35kergothyeah, i like that too. whats within the function definition is yours do with what you will
16:55.18sjhillmallum: it's not all that great, is it?
16:56.59LenoliumCosmicPenguin: What strip joint is that?
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16:58.54kergothCosmicPenguin: have you seen http://www.a-a-p.com/? what doo you think of their file format?
17:01.05CosmicPenguinLenolium: trails
17:01.23kergother is it .org. bleh, whatever
17:02.36CosmicPenguinkergoth: in the mean time, is oe_runamke completely interchangable with make as far as command line is concerned?
17:02.40CosmicPenguinWhy use EXTRA_OMAKE at all?
17:03.12kergothEXTRA_OEMAKE is pointless
17:03.20kergothand causes problems due to quote expansion
17:03.21kergothdont use it
17:03.27kergothits a remnant from the first dev that worked on OE
17:04.07CosmicPenguinso just use run_oemake like it was make
17:04.10mallumsjhill: It was ok. quite a laugh
17:04.11kergothyeah
17:04.14kergoththats best
17:12.10Russ~quote scox
17:12.25Russgoddamn
17:15.00Russis the internet fucked up right now?
17:15.59chouimatRuss no I think they actually made some money
17:16.16Russ(unrulated topic)
17:16.34RussI can't get to ucomics.com, foxnews is really slow, same with google
17:16.45Russoh, google is back
18:02.05kergoth`foodARCH=arm
18:02.07kergoth`foodOS=linux
18:02.11kergoth`foodMACHINE=collie
18:02.18kergoth`foodwould be sufficient
18:02.22kergoth`fooddefault is native
18:02.27Russmake oldconfig
18:10.50CosmicPenguinexcellent
18:12.45CosmicPenguinHmmmm......
18:13.06leviCosmicPenguin: Have you cleared the pixil channel yet?
18:14.01CosmicPenguinlevi: not yet, we've still got one lurker
18:14.51CosmicPenguinkergoth: oebuild is the target binary, right?
18:15.30kergotho?
18:15.33kergoths/o//
18:16.24kergothwe deviate here
18:16.26CosmicPenguinthe command would be bin/oebuild <command>, right?
18:16.29kergothoebuild builds a single package
18:16.30kergothread
18:16.32kergothoebuild --help
18:16.36kergothoemake --help
18:17.24CosmicPenguinbin/oebuild --help:  SyntaxError: invalid syntax
18:18.01kergothare you on a redhat box?
18:18.05CosmicPenguinyep
18:18.06CosmicPenguin7.3
18:18.08kergothchagne #!/usr/bin/python to #!/usr/bin/python2
18:18.14kergothwe need 2.2+ iirc
18:18.21kergoththen itll be happier
18:18.24CosmicPenguinpython-1.5.2-43.73
18:18.30kergothrpm -qf /usr/bin/python2
18:18.32CosmicPenguinI see
18:18.48kergothhey spiffy. gcc 3.3.1 final pass one built with OE
18:21.57mallumkergoth: have you ever had a problem with libtool using builds in oz which decide to stick a local library ( like /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so ) in the linking ?
18:22.09kergothyep, pretty common
18:22.10CosmicPenguinNOTE: package base/oe-1.0_20030917-r0: dependency patcher unsatisfied
18:22.19kergoththe target libdir is ending up in your libtool lib paths
18:22.34kergothCosmicPenguin: oemake doesnt know how to find .oe files in the filesystem.  specify patcher's .oe on the commandline as well
18:22.43mallumkergoth: ah right. any easy way to work round that ?
18:22.45CosmicPenguinok
18:22.51kergothright now its knowledge of what oe's exist and its knowledge of what oe's you want to bulid are one and the same
18:22.55kergothwhich is rather annoying
18:23.00kergothbut i'll fix it shortly
18:23.34Russhttp://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2003-09/17/content_1086665.htm <- the UN is fun!
18:24.02Russlets pass a resolution....to say thats BAD! ya, thats it, that'll make the problem go away
18:25.34CosmicPenguinkergoth: started - lets see how far it gets (glibc, libpng, libjpeg, mw)
18:25.38kergothcool
18:26.53kergothCosmicPenguin: note that the steps are eerily quiet. tail -f the appropriate log in tmp/base/PN-PV-PR/temp/ to see whats what
18:27.01Russchouimat: what I don't understand, is how ms was a major portion of that 15M for scosource
18:27.16RussI mean, I understand, I just don't see how they can pass it off as legitamate
18:27.54Russdoes MS really have 10,000, or 20,000 some linux installs?
18:35.25CosmicPenguinapparently it thinks that 2.95.3 is too old
18:35.43kergothyou cant build glibc 2.3.x with gcc2.x
18:35.46kergoth:)
18:36.17CosmicPenguinapparently not
18:36.28CosmicPenguindoes the .oe to build the toolchain work?
18:36.40kergoththeres a fairly solid gcc3.3.1/glibc2.3.2 chain on openzaurus.org/official/toolchain
18:36.43kergothi'm working on that now
18:36.46CosmicPenguinworks for me
18:36.59kergothgcc pass 1 and cross-binutils works, need to enhance the glibc oe to install its stuff into the toolchain dir
18:37.05kergoththen the final pass will work, and we're done
18:37.28CosmicPenguinI needed a newer xcompiler anyway
18:39.39kergothbleh, such a mess
18:39.46kergothwe build glibc and put it in staging
18:39.55kergothbut the builds end up using bits from the toolchains' glibc anyway
18:40.06kergothso its like, whats the point.
18:44.10CosmicPenguinchecking size of long double... configure: error: cannot compute sizeof (long double), 77
18:44.10CosmicPenguin+ die 'oe_runconf failed'
18:51.21kergothoh, i added that recently
18:51.28kergothbk pull your oe directory if you havent recently
18:52.14CosmicPenguinI pulled it this morning, it reports nothing to pull
18:52.16kergothhehe. the autotools oeclass is really pretty damn cool. if you app uses libtool, be sure to add libtool to DEPENDS, as we watch our local libtool to prevent the .la libdir from leaking into the path
18:52.25kergothis your OEDIR not set right?
18:52.35CosmicPenguinQuite possibly - let me check
18:52.36kergothcat $OEDIR/site/arm-linux|grep 'double'
18:53.45CosmicPenguinyeah, i dicked it
18:53.52kergothnote, CONFIG_SITE is set to ${OEDIR}/site/${ARCH}-${OS}, so if your arch isnt arm, and your os isnt linux, it wont pick up our test results
18:53.55CosmicPenguinstupid keyboard, be less error prone
18:53.56kergothk
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18:59.53CosmicPenguinAlright people
19:00.10file[wifi]hello people
19:00.25CosmicPenguinFirst Pixil patch is up:  http://cosmicpenguin.net/pub/pixil/1.2.3/pixil-1.2.3-jhc1.patch.bz2
19:00.54mallumCosmicPenguin: ah rock
19:01.02CosmicPenguinThat should fix most of the 3.2 issues and also add the ability for the X11 folks to include an exteral FLTK instead of relying on the hacified internal version
19:01.28CosmicPenguinAlso, for the tuxscreen folks:  http://cosmicpenguin.net/pub/pixil/misc/buildroot-tux.diff.bz2
19:01.58CosmicPenguinIncluding changes for microwindows, pixil and introducing bootmenu
19:03.23CosmicPenguinI would have a jffs2 image too, but like an idiot, I erased it to do the diff of the buildroot
19:03.26mallumCosmicPenguin: you recommend better to use external fltk that included one ?
19:03.29CosmicPenguinyesh
19:03.46CosmicPenguinUnless you are building for Microwindows, I very much recommend an external FLTK
19:03.57CosmicPenguinI use 1.0.11 - I know there are some api changes in the 1.1.X series that we might have to fix
19:04.02CosmicPenguinSo if you go that route, be forwarned
19:05.39mallumok cool, thanks for the info ( and patch of course )
19:07.21CosmicPenguinmallum: ping me with any issues
19:08.34file[wifi]pong
19:12.40Bruj0hey ;)
19:12.52Bruj0somebody had problem with the IR keyboard in the webpals?
19:19.53mallumCosmicPenguin: okey, whats flek btw ?
19:21.33mallumCosmicPenguin: and also PixelDT
19:22.19Bruj0any webpals hackers around?
19:23.51RussI hack that IR keyboard
19:23.55Russbut for the tuxscreen
19:24.57Bruj0ah
19:25.05Russsame thing though
19:25.16Bruj0any clues why it wouldnt even transmit?
19:25.20Russif you haven't replaced the batteries yet, do so, they are about 6 years old
19:25.28Bruj0first thing i did
19:25.36Bruj02 AAA bats
19:25.41Russhow do you know it isn't transmitting?
19:25.52Bruj0i added printk's in the code
19:26.03Russoh, it isn't *receiving*
19:26.13Bruj0yea
19:26.18Bruj0its weird
19:26.35Russdid you do any hardware mods?
19:26.48Russbecause that serial port is shared
19:26.50Bruj0i just built a rs232c serial adapter
19:26.56Russok, there you go
19:27.02Bruj0ah
19:27.10Bruj0its solder right into the jp10 pins
19:27.14Bruj0that it?
19:27.36Russpretty sure, if you want to know, double check what people have online
19:28.07Bruj0aha yes i thought it would be that, but i have 2 webpals
19:28.17Bruj0i tried before but ill double check
19:28.43Russdo you have a tuxscreen?
19:28.58Bruj0hm no
19:29.38Bruj0ah shiny
19:29.41Bruj0it has a phone
19:29.51Russya, and the same keyboard
19:30.03RussI was just thinking you could cross test keyboards
19:30.21Bruj0but thats weird coz on every webpal pictuer i saw
19:30.28Bruj0the keyboard was black and bigger
19:30.39Bruj0but thats the exact keyboard i have
19:30.51Russ*shrug*
19:30.52Bruj0some keys are labeled different tho
19:30.57Russthey are
19:31.13Bruj0so im thinking i dont have the "standard" keyboard
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19:43.50Bruj0Russ: yea it was the rs232
20:31.58kergothCosmicPenguin: k, enhanced oemake. now you just export OEFILES=/path/to/packages/content/*.oe .. then oemake glibc, oemake ncurses-5.3, or whatever
20:32.03kergothCosmicPenguin: far far cleaner syntax.
20:32.22kergothtakes a while to parse all the .oe files though. really need an sqlite 'cache' for the data
20:35.40CosmicPenguinsed: file ../scripts/output-format.sed line 21: Unknown command: ``Q''
20:35.43CosmicPenguinLook familiar?
20:36.01kergothyeah
20:36.03kergothyour sed version is old
20:36.12kergothbuild a new binary rpm from the src.rpm for sed from rawhide
20:36.17kergothworks fine after that
20:36.20CosmicPenguin3.02-11
20:36.24file[wifi]mmm?
20:39.48CosmicPenguinIf anyone downloaded the buildroot changes to Tuxscren for pixil - grab them again, I made a mistake in the pixil.mk file
20:41.29chouimatgrrrr
20:42.09kergothchouimat: ?
20:42.50chouimatkergoth the 80th phone call of the day
20:42.54kergothah
20:43.11CosmicPenguinDespite the issues, I think that I am going to end up being happy with the OE infrastructure
20:43.17CosmicPenguinIt just needs be be hardened a bit
20:43.27kergothwell put.
20:43.30kergothlots of little things
20:43.35chouimatkergoth I love using XP with this clients .... he changed the requirement about 40 times today ...
20:44.01chouimatXP as in extreme programming
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20:50.02ricmm:D
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21:02.06prpplagueahh, i love putting really nasty ugly stupid hacks into BB
21:02.36kergothhehe
21:02.40ricmmhi prpplague
21:02.42kergoth~fishslap prpplague
21:02.43ACTION slaps prpplague up side the head with a wet fish.
21:03.03ricmmhey kergoth
21:06.38CosmicPenguinOk folks - #pixil is back up and running
21:12.07prpplaguekergoth: thanks
21:12.16prpplaguekergoth: i needed that
21:12.24kergothnp
21:12.35prpplaguericmm: howdy
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21:26.17mallumkergoth: any idea how to stop this /usr/lib/libfontconfig getting pulled into oz mb build ?
21:26.39kergothdepends
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21:26.44kergothon how its coming in
21:27.00kergothits either coming from a [something]_cflags variable
21:27.09kergothor its coming from a .la thats floating around your build env
21:27.15kergoththe former you override via environment
21:27.18kergoththte latter you patch libtool.
21:27.44kergothanyone here happen to know if there's a C library around that contains a sane Digraph implementation?
21:40.52mallumkergoth: aha fixed the libtool crack thing though ;-)
21:41.14mallumkergoth: had to edit the fontconfig.la file
21:42.05kergothmallum: figured that was it.  the OE libtool build patches libtool to prevent that
21:43.31mallumkergoth: cool. This is the last stuff I want to do with oz btw, I just wanna get a nice mb built for 760 X image then I'll focus on oe
21:44.01kergothsounds good
21:44.29kergothi think i'll start on an oz buildroot -> oe transition guide, then work an intro doc
21:44.51mallumkergoth: ah but that would be really helpful
21:45.06mallumkergoth: and think of all the dumb ques it'll save you answering on irc
21:45.13CosmicPenguinmost of them mine... :)
21:46.02mallumCosmicPenguin: I havn't started yet
21:46.10mallumCosmicPenguin: prolly repeat your ones except worse
21:51.30kergothprpplague: you need to go home and get a drink
21:53.43prpplaguekergoth: you buying?
21:54.43kergothyour house isnt stocked?
21:55.41chouimatprpplague: go get a drink
21:56.31prpplaguehmm, how about adding donothing->busybox ?
21:57.48chouimatprpplague: gaydar->busybox?
21:58.06prpplaguechouimat: lol
22:03.22Russprpplague: btw, did you ever find any 32M boards?
22:03.49prpplagueRuss: yep looking at it now, just haven't had time to do a quick test and make sure all is well
22:04.10Russcool
22:04.17RussI'm getting a 144M doc off ebay
22:06.59prpplagueRuss: I'm getting a 118lbs wife off ebay :)
22:07.59Russwhat, you can get a thai stalker for free
22:09.15prpplagueRuss: lol
22:09.40Russhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2856247875&category=46778 <-is this her?
22:11.31prpplagueRuss: naw, i like mine more sleeeeeezy
22:12.59chouimat32M board? 144M doc?
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22:29.43prpplaguelater guys
22:30.06CosmicPenguinlater
22:30.07prpplague#./busybox beer | more
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22:50.11CosmicPenguinhttp://cosmicpenguin.net/pub/pixil/images/tuxscreen-pixil-1.2.3-jhc1.jffs2
22:50.14CosmicPenguinPixil Tuxscreen image
22:50.21CosmicPenguinFresh off the presses
22:51.05chouimat|beerCosmicPenguin: a flat tuxscreen?
22:51.50CosmicPenguin~bitslap chouimat|beer
22:52.03CosmicPenguin~slap chouimat|beer
22:52.08CosmicPenguin~lart chouimat|beer
22:52.14chouimat|beerCosmicPenguin: ;)
22:52.23CosmicPenguinstupid ibot
22:53.21leviThat would actually make my tuxscreen potentially useful.  At least, it would be if it could sync with something.
22:54.05CosmicPenguinlevi - it all depends on what you want to sync with
23:01.00leviSome sort of PDA, probably.
23:05.43CosmicPenguinlevi - I mean software
23:07.33leviWell, tuxscreen pixil syncing with pda pixil.
23:07.47CosmicPenguinThat we can do
23:08.01leviSpiffy.
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