| 00:35.41 | CosmicPenguin | Its still a pretty big file, sadly |
| 00:35.44 | CosmicPenguin | 2MB with uclibc |
| 00:50.07 | file | is it possible at all to forcefully open a pcmcia card? |
| 00:52.36 | collord | physically? |
| 00:53.11 | file | yes |
| 00:53.22 | file | this thing is toast (have no clue why) and I want to see what's inside |
| 00:53.51 | collord | sure. just start prying |
| 00:54.01 | file | maybe after I do my homework |
| 00:54.13 | collord | there are usually tabs on the side you can get out with the end of a knife |
| 00:54.15 | collord | e.g. |
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| 01:01.23 | file | aha, it's ope |
| 01:01.25 | file | er open |
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| 02:13.34 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 14:00.34 | prpplague | kergoth: hey, going to the sco roadshow in dallas to heckel the sco reps |
| 14:00.36 | prpplague | kergoth: ? |
| 14:01.09 | chouimat | hi prpplague kergoth |
| 14:06.22 | prpplague | morning |
| 14:07.07 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: don't get yourself arrested... :) |
| 14:08.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol |
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| 14:45.00 | TomW | morning all |
| 14:45.06 | chouimat | hi TomW |
| 14:45.41 | TomW | I think I've been stereotyped, all I seem to get to work on lately is 8 bit 8051 code.. :( |
| 14:46.09 | TomW | I cannot seem to get away from that stuff |
| 14:46.48 | chouimat | TomW: i did a lot of windows maintenance lately |
| 14:46.50 | TomW | oh well |
| 14:46.56 | TomW | chouimat: sucker! |
| 14:47.33 | TomW | chouimat: just when life gets simple, some knot-head comes along with a mis-behaving windoze box, eh? |
| 14:48.48 | chouimat | TomW: yup and I think people should really take a course before getting a computer like they do before having the right to drive |
| 14:49.58 | prpplague | TomW: hey dude |
| 14:50.19 | prpplague | TomW: i think the project is probably dead |
| 14:50.33 | prpplague | TomW: you can keep the sockets |
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| 15:21.42 | prpplague | anyone recommend some good references on software life cycles? |
| 15:22.29 | TomW | heh, "the software is never finished", "when it is released, it is already outdated", ... |
| 15:23.03 | TomW | "your massive bug will not be found until 6 months after releasing the code..." |
| 15:23.55 | prpplague | lol |
| 15:25.15 | prpplague | guys i could just read over the iso12207 standard..... |
| 15:25.21 | prpplague | s/guys/guess |
| 15:25.29 | chouimat | prpplague: get extreme programming explained ... good book |
| 15:26.14 | prpplague | chouimat: has life cycle stuff? |
| 15:26.35 | prpplague | chouimat: i need to something to help whip the management mutants into shape |
| 15:28.05 | chouimat | prpplague: ok forget the book they won't like it ... because in xp they say tha change cost nothing so you just plan what you need to do the job today if you need more feature later just add them don't plan and design for 3 years |
| 15:29.34 | prpplague | chouimat: no i need something more procedural |
| 15:29.51 | chouimat | prpplague: ok |
| 15:30.00 | prpplague | chouimat: these guys seem to think an informal verbal meeting is enough to create a large project in 2 days |
| 15:31.05 | chouimat | prpplague: ouch ... they don't have any clue how development work then |
| 15:31.24 | prpplague | chouimat: not a clue |
| 15:31.46 | prpplague | chouimat: they've always done small one or 2 day projects with very simple requirements |
| 15:32.18 | prpplague | chouimat: now they are asking for 90-180 day projects and they are trying to handle them in the same way as a 1-2 day project |
| 15:32.29 | chouimat | prpplague: xp is fun for project where they keep changing the requirement |
| 15:33.01 | prpplague | imho, a project without a clearly defined goal is doomed to failure |
| 15:33.45 | prpplague | chouimat: those types of projects become a vietnam for programmers |
| 15:34.50 | chouimat | prpplague: http://www.agilealliance.org/home <--- lot of information to deal with those type of project and can be applied to any kind |
| 15:36.49 | chouimat | prpplague: http://www.extremeprogramming.org/ <--- better explaining than I can provide, I'm still studying it |
| 15:37.17 | prpplague | TomW: hey got a sec |
| 15:37.26 | TomW | yup |
| 15:37.37 | prpplague | TomW: need to ask some un-educated questions regarding PS stuff |
| 15:37.42 | TomW | ok |
| 15:38.50 | prpplague | TomW: device needs 10watts at 19vac, power source is 24v dc, what would you use to do that? |
| 15:39.45 | TomW | a chopper |
| 15:40.53 | TomW | 60 hz oscillator governing a pulse width modulator that drives a transformer. The value of the A/C voltage is regulated by adjusting the width of the 60Hz pulses. |
| 15:41.11 | TomW | s/governing/driving/ |
| 15:45.14 | TomW | major problem is that the you have to switch the +24v & GND connection to the transformer in an alternating fashion, on one cycle + - on the next cyle - +, this is to avoid magnetizing the core of the transformer. Same problem that you encounter with driving an LCD screen, if you use a consistantly drive it with a positive voltage to "set" the crystals, they will "freeze" in place and you cannot "unset" them. |
| 15:45.39 | TomW | prpplague: you have to avoid a net gain of polarization. |
| 15:45.57 | prpplague | TomW: hmmm |
| 15:46.51 | prpplague | TomW: i need to open this puppy up and see if there is an internal ps too |
| 15:47.29 | TomW | prpplague: communications devices that use transformers, such as ethernet / disk drive heads, all use a RZ (net gain of Zero) type of encoding. Communications such as RS232 is a NRZ (non-return zero) and would accumulate a net polarity gain (very quickly!). |
| 15:48.11 | TomW | prpplague: manchester encoding is an example of RZ encoding used with magnetics. |
| 15:50.05 | prpplague | TomW: hmm, this doesn't seem right |
| 15:50.19 | prpplague | TomW: the external ps says 10watts |
| 15:50.33 | TomW | prpplague: typically, a chopper is designed using both N-Channel & P-Channel FETs driving the transformer, but you can do it other ways. Car radios in the '30s & '40s used a mechanical vibrator to produce the high voltages needed to run the vacuum tubes. |
| 15:50.35 | prpplague | TomW: but it also says 19VAC @ 4000ma |
| 15:51.07 | TomW | P=I*E |
| 15:51.08 | prpplague | TomW: i'm gonna look and see if i can run this on totally dc |
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| 15:51.32 | TomW | W8TVI: de WN3L |
| 15:51.34 | prpplague | TomW: right so 19*4=76 |
| 15:51.45 | prpplague | TomW: 76 watts |
| 15:52.30 | TomW | but, is the 19VAC in P-P or RMS value? |
| 15:53.22 | prpplague | TomW: i would assume rms |
| 15:53.45 | prpplague | TomW: don't think i've seen a ps report voltage in p-p |
| 15:54.39 | TomW | I would assume it is rated at P-P, so RMS == 0.707 * P-P, then 19VAC would really be 13.4V RMS, then P = 4 * 13.4, or approx 52 WATTS? |
| 15:54.45 | chouimat | hmmm I think I will go in Quebec City this week even if I don't have any work to do there ... I need to buy some clothes and this little town is also boring |
| 15:55.09 | TomW | prpplague: most DVMs measure in P-P value, not RMS. |
| 15:55.28 | prpplague | TomW: hmm still, that doesn't match what is posted in the specs and on the ps |
| 15:56.09 | TomW | prpplague: the output of the power supply can be larger than the input power requirement of the device. |
| 15:56.34 | prpplague | TomW: agreed, but i'm looking at the specs for the ps not the device |
| 15:57.05 | TomW | prpplague: they may have gotten a "deal" on 4Amp supplies, or, they use them in another product in such quantities that it was cheaper to ship the 4Amp supply instead of purchasing a 2AMP supply especially for that unit? |
| 15:57.42 | prpplague | TomW: right, but i've pulled the specs for the ps from the actualy ps manufacturer |
| 15:57.50 | prpplague | TomW: oh well |
| 15:58.03 | TomW | prpplague: another issue: take for example a hard drive, typically the "spin up" current of the motor is much higher than the "sustain" current. |
| 15:58.05 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:58.09 | prpplague | TomW: i need to open this printer up and see if i can by-pass the internal ps |
| 15:58.48 | TomW | hehheh |
| 15:59.14 | prpplague | TomW: right, we ran into that problem with the intel sc-5000 scsi bays, the voltage regulator could handle the power for running the drives, just not when spinning them up, lol |
| 15:59.21 | prpplague | TomW: i'm carefull |
| 15:59.31 | prpplague | TomW: btw, its a barcode label printer |
| 15:59.45 | TomW | prpplague: all electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out of the chips then they won't run any more! |
| 15:59.49 | prpplague | TomW: seems almost all of the barcode label printers use vac |
| 16:00.03 | prpplague | TomW: yep |
| 16:01.31 | prpplague | TomW`work: thanks dude |
| 16:01.41 | prpplague | TomW`work: appreciate it |
| 16:02.01 | W8TVI | hey prpplague |
| 16:02.06 | prpplague | W8TVI: howdy |
| 16:02.24 | W8TVI | kergoth said I should ask you.... |
| 16:02.48 | prpplague | uh oh |
| 16:03.05 | W8TVI | I'm looking for info on the DIY pcmcia to cf adapter |
| 16:03.08 | W8TVI | for the zaurus |
| 16:04.42 | prpplague | W8TVI: you can get a passice cf->pcmcia adapter, break it open and just reverse the connections from male to female and female male |
| 16:05.07 | prpplague | W8TVI: the only problem that is of concern is voltage |
| 16:05.22 | prpplague | W8TVI: cf slots are maxed at 300ma and 3.3 volt |
| 16:05.59 | prpplague | W8TVI: if are gonna use 3.3v cards with higher current that 300ma, or gonna use 5v cards, you'll need to add an external ps |
| 16:06.44 | prpplague | W8TVI: are you needing this for development or for usage? |
| 16:07.48 | W8TVI | useage and just messing with it |
| 16:08.00 | prpplague | W8TVI: here is what i did |
| 16:08.22 | prpplague | W8TVI: salvaged a mountable pcmcia slot from an old laptop |
| 16:08.39 | prpplague | W8TVI: got an old 2mb cf card |
| 16:09.08 | prpplague | W8TVI: a generic abs plastic case from radio shack along with an rc car battery |
| 16:09.50 | prpplague | W8TVI: used 160mb scsi cable, and soldered the cable to the pcb of the cf card |
| 16:09.56 | prpplague | W8TVI: other end to the pcmcia slot |
| 16:10.31 | prpplague | W8TVI: added a 5v voltage regulator to run the pcmcia slot, and a 3.3v switching regulator for the z |
| 16:10.49 | prpplague | W8TVI: the sl-5500 has a screw mount slot on the back |
| 16:11.01 | prpplague | W8TVI: just screwed the box to the sl-5500 |
| 16:11.15 | prpplague | W8TVI: and your ready! |
| 16:11.18 | W8TVI | :) |
| 16:11.37 | prpplague | W8TVI: in addition i also added a connection for the rs-232 port at the bottom of the z |
| 16:11.41 | W8TVI | does there happen to be a webpage about how to do it? |
| 16:12.03 | prpplague | W8TVI: which allowed me to swap out a small thermal printer or a serial barcode scanner |
| 16:12.10 | prpplague | W8TVI: nope sorry |
| 16:12.39 | prpplague | W8TVI: didn't seem to get much interest on the #zaurus so i didn't bother |
| 16:13.43 | W8TVI | k |
| 16:14.00 | prpplague | W8TVI: guess next weekend i could make another and document it |
| 16:16.23 | prpplague | W8TVI: gonna try and build one? |
| 16:17.33 | W8TVI | I was thinking about it.... |
| 16:18.31 | prpplague | W8TVI: just have to have a steady hand to do the soldering |
| 16:18.32 | W8TVI | but sence I dont have an old laptop with a pcmcia slot handy.... |
| 16:18.48 | prpplague | W8TVI: you can order the slot from digikey |
| 16:18.54 | prpplague | W8TVI: or from jameco |
| 16:19.57 | prpplague | W8TVI: there are also some commercial cv->pcmcia adapters but are for development only |
| 16:21.06 | W8TVI | I have an adapter so I can use a cf card in a pcmcia slot :) |
| 16:21.27 | W8TVI | its handy when I want to run knoppix on my laptop |
| 16:22.00 | prpplague | W8TVI: sorry terminology |
| 16:22.07 | W8TVI | and use my wireless card |
| 16:22.31 | prpplague | W8TVI: i meant there are adapters that will allow you to use a pcmcia card in a cf slot |
| 16:22.37 | W8TVI | I know |
| 16:22.41 | prpplague | W8TVI: ohh |
| 16:22.42 | prpplague | W8TVI: |
| 16:22.46 | prpplague | W8TVI: ok :) |
| 16:24.19 | prpplague | W8TVI: dual pcmcia slots is possible with the z, but it would require a little electronics to multiplex the slot detection pin |
| 16:25.31 | W8TVI | too bad they didn't give us the dual cf slots |
| 16:25.56 | W8TVI | seeing that the CPU/chipset supports it |
| 16:26.07 | prpplague | W8TVI: well, it wouldn't be that bad, but they used the gpio that normally is connected to the second slot |
| 16:47.20 | CosmicPenguin | Holy traffic |
| 16:49.12 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:50.37 | kergoth | OE's up to 86 packages :) |
| 16:54.44 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh - that reminds me |
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| 16:59.06 | CosmicPenguin | Uh oh, I did a bk pull, and I lost all my unchecked in changes |
| 16:59.07 | CosmicPenguin | Thats bad |
| 16:59.50 | kergoth | that cant happen unless you forced the save on read only files |
| 16:59.57 | kergoth | they're read only because they werent locked for editing |
| 17:00.01 | kergoth | bk edit filename |
| 17:00.03 | kergoth | or bk -r edit -q |
| 17:00.24 | CosmicPenguin | No, these were completely new files added my me |
| 17:00.33 | kergoth | err |
| 17:00.41 | kergoth | bk shouldnt remove naything |
| 17:00.42 | kergoth | weird |
| 17:01.08 | CosmicPenguin | Oh well - no worries, It won't hurt me to type em again |
| 17:01.09 | CosmicPenguin | Dammit, I'm an idiot |
| 17:07.35 | CosmicPenguin | This python thing is slightly annoying |
| 17:07.35 | CosmicPenguin | But I can't see any way around it |
| 17:07.48 | kergoth | oh, you mean the python vs python2 thing? |
| 17:07.55 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 17:07.59 | kergoth | just change all the scripts, bk ci/citool the changes in |
| 17:08.02 | kergoth | as a changeset |
| 17:08.08 | kergoth | then you can bk pull and it wont lose the chagnes |
| 17:08.53 | kergoth | citool is easiest if you dont mind a gui, or prefer one |
| 17:09.06 | kergoth | i'm a console junkie, so bk ci the deltas and commit into a changeset is best for me |
| 17:10.52 | kergoth | gotcha. console but used to cvs, then its just a matter of wrapping your head around the idea of collecting deltas into a changeset for sending/receiving between repositories |
| 17:14.37 | CosmicPenguin | Why is the do_fetch running every time? |
| 17:15.26 | kergoth | cause it doesnt have per-file download stamps |
| 17:15.26 | kergoth | and to have a single stamp for all the files wouldnt make any sense |
| 17:15.35 | kergoth | so it just attempts a wget -c every time to make dman well sure we have them |
| 17:15.50 | kergoth | hackish solution until i could be bothered to implement per-file stamps and/or md5 checking |
| 17:16.21 | CosmicPenguin | I can see where that would be annoying to those on a slow connection |
| 17:16.27 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:16.40 | kergoth | it is, but annoyance is a small price to pay for functionality |
| 17:16.43 | kergoth | gb2 is working on fixing that |
| 17:36.05 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: where does it keep track of the timestamps for extracting the source tarball? |
| 17:36.11 | CosmicPenguin | I blew away the directory in tmp/base/microwin-1.0-r0, but oebuild won't re extract it |
| 17:36.20 | CosmicPenguin | It just complains that the directory doesn'texist |
| 17:38.07 | kergoth | ls tmp/stamps |
| 17:38.24 | kergoth | use the clean target .. oebuild clean blah/blah.oe |
| 17:40.41 | CosmicPenguin | Will that kill the tarball too? |
| 17:40.49 | kergoth | nope |
| 17:40.59 | kergoth | mrproper wipes downloaded sources, clean just wipes its package specific tmp area |
| 17:41.04 | kergoth | and the appropatie stamps |
| 18:02.14 | CosmicPenguin | I'm sure this is easy when you get to know it, but its damn right frustrating when you don't |
| 18:02.14 | CosmicPenguin | I'm trying to pass TOOLSPREFIX=${HOST_SYS}- to the make, but no matter what I do, it won't accept it |
| 18:03.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:03.22 | kergoth | define wont accept |
| 18:03.24 | CosmicPenguin | Sorry, the correct value is ${TARGET_SYS}, but I could be setting the toolsprefix to "kiss-my-ass" |
| 18:03.46 | kergoth | .. |
| 18:04.18 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - breath and try to figure out whats happening |
| 18:04.37 | kergoth | is make erroring, or simply not taking that variable? |
| 18:04.43 | CosmicPenguin | Its not taking it |
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| 18:04.47 | kergoth | if the latter, set EXTRA_OEMAKE= |
| 18:04.50 | kergoth | in your .oe |
| 18:05.28 | CosmicPenguin | Didn't work |
| 18:05.40 | CosmicPenguin | oops - spelled it wrong |
| 18:06.49 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... |
| 18:06.58 | CosmicPenguin | export EXTRA_OEMAKE="TOOLSPREFIX=${TARGET_SYS}-" |
| 18:07.08 | CosmicPenguin | (cd src; oe_runmake) |
| 18:07.14 | kergoth | dont use EXTRA_OEMAKE to pass vars in |
| 18:07.18 | kergoth | shell quoting makes things go boom |
| 18:07.43 | kergoth | do (cd src; oe_runmake "TOOLSPREFIX=${CROSS}") |
| 18:07.49 | kergoth | CROSS is defined with what you're looking for |
| 18:07.50 | CosmicPenguin | Ohhh... now I get it - set EXTRA_OEMAKE to nothing |
| 18:07.57 | kergoth | right |
| 18:08.05 | kergoth | set to empty, then pass on the cmdline, and itll work |
| 18:08.08 | kergoth | guess i should document that somewhere |
| 18:08.09 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:09.38 | CosmicPenguin | no joy |
| 18:09.50 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.50 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.50 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.50 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.50 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.50 | CosmicPenguin | MICROWINDEMO=N NANOXDEMO=Y NANOWM=N SHAREDLIBS=Y DEBUG=N \ |
| 18:09.52 | CosmicPenguin | LIBJPEG=${STAGING_LIBDIR}/libjpeg.so" |
| 18:09.59 | kergoth | eh? |
| 18:10.02 | CosmicPenguin | THats what my do_compile() looks like |
| 18:10.03 | kergoth | your quoting is wrong |
| 18:10.16 | kergoth | quote around each argument as passed into make, or dont quote at all |
| 18:10.17 | kergoth | i.e. |
| 18:10.25 | kergoth | oe_runmake "CC=${CC}" "CFLAGS=${CFLAGS}" |
| 18:10.33 | kergoth | or oe_runmake CC=${CC} |
| 18:10.46 | CosmicPenguin | Ok |
| 18:14.37 | CosmicPenguin | I think its the MAKEFLAGS= directive that do_oemake sticks in there |
| 18:15.05 | kergoth | yeah, that prevents it from overriding vars iwth env var versions in submakes, and only does so in toplevel |
| 18:15.15 | kergoth | to prevent -e from wreaking havok |
| 18:15.19 | CosmicPenguin | Because when I run it from the command line without that item, it works |
| 18:15.36 | kergoth | thats why i told you to empty EXTRA_OEMAKE :) |
| 18:15.43 | CosmicPenguin | I did! |
| 18:15.51 | kergoth | then what are you talking about? |
| 18:15.56 | kergoth | it doesnt touch MAKEFLAGS. |
| 18:16.04 | CosmicPenguin | here is the target from the most recent log: |
| 18:16.13 | CosmicPenguin | make -e MAKEFLAGS= MAKEFLAGS= TOOLSPREFIX=arm-linux- MICROWIN=N MICROWINDEMO=N NANOXDEMO=Y NANOWM=N SHAREDLIBS=Y DEBUG=N LIBJPEG=/user/projects/oe/oe/packages/tmp/staging/target/lib/libjpeg.so |
| 18:16.18 | kergoth | -e |
| 18:16.21 | kergoth | -e is in EXTRA_OEMAKE |
| 18:16.26 | kergoth | you didnt zero it. |
| 18:16.39 | kergoth | or you typod or something else. |
| 18:17.14 | kergoth | or you're catting an old log. |
| 18:18.16 | CosmicPenguin | i'm exporting EXTRA_OEMAKE="" in my do_compile() target |
| 18:18.32 | kergoth | .. |
| 18:18.35 | kergoth | its an OE variable. |
| 18:18.49 | kergoth | not in the target, in the .oe |
| 18:18.52 | kergoth | EXTRA_OEMAKE= |
| 18:21.11 | CosmicPenguin | eureka |
| 18:21.51 | CosmicPenguin | Lesson #1 - the difference between the .oe and a target |
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| 18:59.30 | CosmicPenguin | sigh |
| 18:59.50 | CosmicPenguin | Can't build microwin without jpeg, can't build jpeg without libtool, and libtool breaks |
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| 19:01.23 | CosmicPenguin | Thats libtool-1.5 that got pissed, libtool 1.4.whatever works |
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| 19:18.25 | prpplague | hmm, aml will only send you source code on a cd |
| 19:18.33 | prpplague | no dl site |
| 19:18.46 | prpplague | i guess that is to discourage ppl |
| 19:22.28 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: yeah, libtool 1.5 introduces tags, which adds a bit of additional complexity |
| 19:23.32 | file | stupid scraped lip |
| 19:29.20 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I'm on track now |
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| 19:59.11 | kergoth | anyone have a gcc-avr cross toolchain (from x86/linux) handy? |
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| 20:13.08 | sjhill | does anyone have a working bitkeeper installed? |
| 20:13.16 | sjhill | i need someone to try and do a clone |
| 20:13.19 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:21.23 | CosmicPenguin | hidden symbol `__udivsi3' in /usr/local/arm/3.3/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.3.1/libgcc.a(_udivsi3.oS) is referenced by DSO |
| 20:21.24 | CosmicPenguin | What the hell does that mean? |
| 20:21.46 | sjhill | dumb stupid object |
| 20:21.57 | kergoth | dunno, but mickey ran into that a couple weeks ago with his uclibc chain |
| 20:25.45 | CosmicPenguin | Here's to clear error reporting |
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| 20:53.33 | Lethal | cosmicpenguin, you need to fix up the map file. had the same issue with sh. see: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2003-08/msg01255.html |
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| 21:06.05 | CosmicPenguin | Lethal: thanks. I'm using OZ's binaries, I guess I'll have to roll my own instead |
| 21:07.20 | prpplague | http://www.decadenet.com/bob3/bob3.html |
| 21:07.28 | prpplague | handy little device |
| 21:11.34 | CosmicPenguin | That looks like a fun toy |
| 21:12.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: overlay data from the POS ontop of the security video |
| 21:15.47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: is that what you use it for? |
| 21:26.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just looking at it now for that |
| 21:28.47 | jacques | anyone seen tonw lately? |
| 21:28.52 | jacques | sorry - tomw |
| 21:28.56 | jacques | ibot: seen tomw |
| 21:28.58 | | tomw <~TomW@24.238.72.225> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 5h 29m 13s ago, saying: 'prpplague: all electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out of the chips then they won't run any more!'. |
| 21:40.07 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I've never heard of posting POS information on the security camera |
| 21:40.34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what sort of stuff? like the cashier name and stuff, or do they show the tranactions and stuff too? |
| 21:41.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: as the cashier rings up the item the item info is overlayed on the video |
| 21:41.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: this combates clerks ringing up the same item like a stick of gum |
| 21:42.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: when they should be ringing up a $30.00 steak |
| 21:42.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: like this - http://www.promaxusa.com/promax_cash_registers.php |
| 21:43.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: so its mainly to monitor the clerk and not the bad guys with the guns |
| 21:43.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 21:43.34 | CosmicPenguin | Thats so cool |
| 21:45.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i could hook that directly to the thin client |
| 21:45.34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you have a cool job, if your company wasn't so ass backawards |
| 21:45.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 21:46.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: probably not make it off the drawing board |
| 21:46.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: either that or they will give me 24 hours to get it from prototype to installing it on location |
| 21:50.41 | chouimat | prpplague: 24 hours to build a prototype?? wow |
| 21:53.44 | prpplague | chouimat: and get them out to the customer |
| 21:54.10 | chouimat | prpplague: i think you will need extreme programming: release often :) |
| 21:54.41 | prpplague | chouimat: yea well, we do alot of cleanup afterwards |
| 21:54.55 | prpplague | chouimat: but management doesn't care, as long as they get that check up front |
| 21:55.53 | chouimat | prpplague: sound very very fun and I imagine that quality suffer and you are not proud of your job in the long run |
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| 22:03.38 | prpplague | chouimat: exacly |
| 22:04.07 | chouimat | prpplague: I think I will order this album :) |
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| 22:09.05 | chouimat | hi sieve|work |
| 22:09.54 | sieve|work | hello chouimat |
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