| 00:08.01 | ShadowRage | hey, can anyone help me? |
| 00:13.14 | MonMotha | a little more info than "it won't compile" would probably be useul |
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| 00:26.20 | ShadowRage | I have no name!:/usr/src/uClibc-0.9.20# make |
| 00:26.20 | ShadowRage | rm -rf include/bits |
| 00:26.20 | ShadowRage | mkdir -p include/bits |
| 00:26.20 | ShadowRage | make: ./extra/config/conf: Command not found |
| 00:26.20 | ShadowRage | make: *** [include/bits/uClibc_config.h] Error 127 |
| 00:26.28 | ShadowRage | note: this is under chroot |
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| 00:46.13 | chouimat | TomW: http://ulyx.ath.cx/ex.jpg |
| 00:46.56 | Russ | ~quote scox |
| 00:47.03 | TomW | got to zoom out on that one. |
| 00:47.16 | TomW | ~quote rhat |
| 00:47.23 | TomW | heh |
| 00:47.38 | chouimat | TomW: ex-wife |
| 00:47.45 | Russ | sco had a $50 investor (actually, an investor investing other peoples money |
| 00:48.22 | jacques | andersee: did you see what I said about the Hauppauge MediaMVP using linux/Busybox? |
| 00:49.23 | TomW | chouimat: you & her? |
| 00:49.29 | chouimat | TomW: yes |
| 00:49.57 | TomW | women do that to a guy |
| 00:50.03 | Russ | grr...I hate these articles that stand up for verisign "its just bring commercialism to the internet" |
| 00:50.16 | chouimat | TomW: I corrected the picture on my site |
| 00:50.30 | Russ | its like if the people who made traffic lights starting inserting an extra 30 seconds of red for all directions in order to play an ad |
| 00:53.04 | TomW | Russ: ZiffDavis article? |
| 00:53.32 | Russ | http://news.com.com/2008-7347-5092590.html |
| 00:57.21 | chouimat | TomW: wedding picture the only one that survived ... |
| 00:57.27 | TomW | It's a cultural thing, everybody is grabbing a as much money as they can lay their hands on.. |
| 00:58.07 | TomW | chouimat: took me 6 years to get over my divorce.. |
| 00:58.14 | Russ | its a general inate stupidity |
| 00:58.33 | chouimat | TomW: I found one ... and I will play darth tonight ... |
| 00:59.07 | TomW | chouimat: I've been talking with a nice woman lately, she is interesting. ;) |
| 00:59.28 | TomW | soup's on! |
| 00:59.41 | chouimat | TomW: I have one in mind ... |
| 00:59.51 | Russ | you could get all technelogical and use frindster |
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| 01:07.06 | ShadowRage | 10 years, before you know it, we'll have something like sitefinder on all website domains |
| 01:07.24 | ShadowRage | that'll have an ad for like 10 seconds, then load the website |
| 01:08.21 | chouimat | bah ... better having that wondering why you married this one: htpp://ulyx.ath.cx/ex.jpg |
| 01:08.37 | ShadowRage | dude |
| 01:08.39 | ShadowRage | http://alibc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:08.44 | ShadowRage | that looks promising |
| 01:12.13 | ShadowRage | http://www.acidchat.net/images/newest.png |
| 01:12.17 | ShadowRage | latest pic of my gf |
| 01:14.24 | Russ | as far as alibc, all I gotta say, is good luck... |
| 01:14.31 | chouimat | ShadowRage: she hotter than my ex-wife |
| 01:15.14 | ShadowRage | chouimat: and she's a coder and a gamer too |
| 01:15.36 | ShadowRage | girls like her are hard to find, I love her so much, she's sweet and kind as well |
| 01:15.48 | chouimat | ShadowRage: better than a student in humanities ... |
| 01:17.16 | chouimat | ShadowRage: but I would like to see that chick again ... she was doing a phd in literature and she liked very much Michael Moorcock novels ... |
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| 01:21.59 | ShadowRage | anyone know what's wrong with my uclibc? |
| 01:23.01 | andersee | ShadowRage: yes |
| 01:23.22 | ShadowRage | what? |
| 01:23.24 | chouimat | lol |
| 01:23.43 | chouimat | andersee: any new version soon? |
| 01:24.03 | andersee | ShadowRage: I'm not going to tell you. Its a secret (since your problem is secret too) |
| 01:24.38 | ShadowRage | I posted it earlier |
| 01:24.55 | ShadowRage | I have no name!:/usr/src/uClibc-0.9.20# make |
| 01:24.55 | ShadowRage | rm -rf include/bits |
| 01:24.55 | ShadowRage | mkdir -p include/bits |
| 01:24.55 | ShadowRage | make: ./extra/config/conf: Command not found |
| 01:24.55 | ShadowRage | make: *** [include/bits/uClibc_config.h] Error 127 |
| 01:25.05 | ShadowRage | running in a chroot environment |
| 01:26.09 | andersee | make it appears that extra/config/conf is unable to run |
| 01:26.28 | andersee | perhaps gcc isn't working for you |
| 01:26.46 | andersee | cd test/silly |
| 01:26.52 | andersee | gcc hello.c -o hello |
| 01:26.56 | andersee | ./hello |
| 01:27.50 | MonMotha | heh, somebody was smart enough to include hello world :) |
| 01:30.42 | ShadowRage | hello.c:2:20: stdlib.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:30.42 | ShadowRage | hello.c:4: syntax error before "int" |
| 01:31.37 | ShadowRage | note: this is a static gcc |
| 01:37.22 | andersee | ShadowRage: that somebody is me |
| 01:37.42 | ShadowRage | huh? |
| 01:37.46 | andersee | ShadowRage: and it appears that your compiler is broken |
| 01:37.56 | ShadowRage | great |
| 01:38.00 | andersee | ShadowRage: "<MonMotha> heh, somebody was smart enough to include hello world :)" |
| 01:41.13 | andersee | ShadowRage: you may want to grab this: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/uclibc/root_fs_i386.bz2 |
| 01:41.42 | andersee | ShadowRage: It will give you an x86 uclibc dev system that I know works |
| 01:42.03 | ShadowRage | what will it do? |
| 01:42.17 | andersee | ShadowRage: it has gcc/binutils/ssh/etc |
| 01:42.30 | ShadowRage | and this happens when compiling uclibc on my normal system |
| 01:42.41 | andersee | ShadowRage: you can use it to easily compile your own uClibc stuff |
| 01:42.45 | ShadowRage | ../../../include/bits/uClibc_locale.h:95:37: bits/uClibc_locale_data.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:43.29 | ShadowRage | btw, my project is acidlinux |
| 01:43.38 | ShadowRage | irc.acidchat.net #acidlinux |
| 01:43.45 | ShadowRage | later |
| 01:43.52 | andersee | ShadowRage: you probably want to enable UCLIBC_PREGENERATED_LOCALE_DATA and UCLIBC_DOWNLOAD_PREGENERATED_LOCALE_DATA |
| 02:09.02 | jacques | heh |
| 02:09.31 | jacques | ho thanks for you |
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| 02:22.04 | ShadowRage | I just realized something |
| 02:22.14 | ShadowRage | I half compiled gcc for LFS I think |
| 02:22.24 | ShadowRage | if not, I'll keep downloading the root thingy |
| 02:36.34 | andersee | ShadowRage: I strongly recommend it... |
| 02:36.50 | ShadowRage | I'm on a 56k back her |
| 02:36.52 | ShadowRage | here* |
| 02:36.59 | ShadowRage | so it's kinda slow |
| 02:37.06 | ShadowRage | got like %24 downloaded |
| 02:37.16 | jacques | andersee: dont mean to keep repeating myself but did you see what I said about Hauppauge MediaMVP using Busybox? |
| 02:37.21 | ShadowRage | if this gcc recompile doesn't work, I'll continue downloading it |
| 02:37.35 | andersee | ShadowRage: trust me on this one -- you are saving yourself a _lot_ of time, slow link notwithstanding |
| 02:37.41 | andersee | jacques: eh? |
| 02:38.05 | andersee | jacques: source released? |
| 02:38.07 | jacques | andersee: the Hauppauge MediaMVP is a new "entertainment gateway" which runs linux |
| 02:38.14 | jacques | andersee: no - no source release I can find |
| 02:38.19 | andersee | grrr |
| 02:38.30 | jacques | dunno for sure if they modified anything but they dont ever give GPL credit that I can see |
| 02:38.43 | jacques | andersee: the ramdisk image is available tho |
| 02:38.44 | andersee | I _swear_ I should make suing license violators into a full time business |
| 02:39.03 | jacques | andersee: someone has already found the offsets and mounted the ext2 ramdisk |
| 02:39.21 | jacques | they said they found busybox - didnt mention anything else I can recall |
| 02:39.32 | jacques | just a sec - will find linkage |
| 02:39.43 | andersee | jacques: thx |
| 02:40.06 | jacques | http://www.shspvr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3433 |
| 02:40.18 | jacques | checking for firmware download |
| 02:40.48 | jacques | http://hauppauge.lightpath.net/software/mediamvp/mediamvpsetup_1_1_21278.exe - unzip works on linux |
| 02:42.29 | jacques | i got to open one up today but the guy had to go home and took it with him |
| 02:42.47 | jacques | it uses an IBM powerpc settopbox proc and a hardware mpeg2 decoder |
| 02:43.02 | jacques | hynix ram and I think AMD flash - no time to get part numbers |
| 02:43.28 | andersee | how much ram/flash? |
| 02:43.34 | andersee | How fast a ppc cpu? |
| 02:43.58 | jacques | those are the things I needed more time to determine - I only got a quick glance |
| 02:44.22 | andersee | well, I'm sending the details off to my dad |
| 02:44.56 | jacques | please do |
| 02:45.14 | jacques | hauppauge seems like they want ppl to hack it but released no info and no GPL credit |
| 02:45.28 | jacques | it does say on the box that it runs linux tho |
| 02:45.35 | jacques | yet the server software is only for XP |
| 02:45.38 | jacques | bastages |
| 02:46.06 | andersee | grr |
| 02:46.18 | jacques | it runs totally in RAM |
| 02:46.38 | jacques | it uses UDP to discover the PC with the server software and downloads the damdisk from there |
| 02:46.42 | andersee | then it must have a good chunk of ram to work with |
| 02:46.52 | andersee | hmm |
| 02:46.57 | jacques | the UI is all javascript I have read/heard |
| 02:47.18 | andersee | no perhaps only enough flash for etherboot |
| 02:47.21 | andersee | err |
| 02:47.23 | andersee | so perhaps only enough flash for etherboot |
| 02:47.27 | jacques | lol it even forwards all the remote control events to the PC because that's where the UI runs |
| 02:48.44 | andersee | ewwww |
| 02:48.59 | jacques | video quality is not bad, we were trancoding DVDs to mpeg2 with multiplexed audio and playing them |
| 02:49.26 | jacques | andersee: what do you expect for $99 list :-D |
| 02:51.23 | andersee | k |
| 02:52.23 | andersee | jacques: details sent off to my dad, so he'll probably have his one of his legal secretaries fire off a love note |
| 02:52.42 | jacques | cool. |
| 02:55.17 | andersee | jacques: if you get (access to) the thing, please check if source is included |
| 02:55.36 | andersee | jacques: of course it isn't, but that should be checked |
| 02:56.01 | andersee | jacques: and since they are distributing it via the web, then _must_ post source via the web |
| 02:56.11 | andersee | or at least an offer |
| 02:56.16 | jacques | will do |
| 03:03.40 | ShadowRage | any company that has a ! on the end of their name cant be good. |
| 03:03.48 | ShadowRage | g2g |
| 03:03.49 | ShadowRage | later |
| 03:52.28 | chouimat | night |
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| 04:22.25 | Drizzt321 | anyone awake? |
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| 09:07.18 | Russ | awake her.... |
| 09:07.43 | Russ | ... (<ShadowRage> any company that has a ! on the end of their name cant be good.) ... But Idot! is good |
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| 13:39.20 | TomW | good morning world! |
| 13:39.48 | chouimat | hi TomW |
| 13:40.02 | TomW | hey, more 8051 work coming in.. |
| 13:40.27 | TomW | I'm just fithy with the stuff lately. |
| 13:40.38 | chouimat | TomW: but you have works ... |
| 13:41.13 | TomW | I know, I shouldn't complain, but, I wish it was 32bit work that I am doing though. |
| 13:41.45 | chouimat | bah ... I need to clean the house here so ... |
| 13:41.54 | TomW | chouimat: heh |
| 13:42.04 | TomW | chouimat: cannot find the TV remote again? |
| 13:42.46 | chouimat | need to pass the vaccum cleaner |
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| 14:00.45 | sieve | morning all |
| 14:10.13 | prpplague | wahoo, boy forbes.com is really getting hammered for the daniel lyons story |
| 14:10.39 | CosmicPenguin | urls? |
| 14:16.01 | chou|housecleani | prpplague: really? |
| 14:17.21 | prpplague | one sec guys |
| 14:17.43 | prpplague | http://slashdot.org/articles/03/10/16/1924230.shtml?tid=117&tid=122&tid=167&tid=185&tid=190&tid=99 |
| 14:21.40 | prpplague | lol, the post has 10x more responses than any other article on the board |
| 14:22.02 | chou|housecleani | prpplague: hehe |
| 14:23.07 | prpplague | i wonder if Russ and Andersee got thru to talk to the editor |
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| 14:30.21 | prpplague | sjhill: ho ho ho, merry freakin friday |
| 14:32.22 | prpplague | chou|housecleani: hey, whole slew of jobs in toronto posted today on linuxdevices.com |
| 14:33.17 | sjhill | hi prpplague |
| 14:33.29 | sjhill | ~ibot seen sorphin |
| 14:33.30 | | sorphin <sorphin@mewp.captainrock.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 3d 19h 3m 19s ago, saying: 'k'. |
| 14:33.50 | sjhill | yeah, that's about the extent of his vocabulary |
| 14:34.08 | prpplague | sjhill: lol |
| 14:34.34 | prpplague | sjhill: hows life with PA+timesys? |
| 14:35.11 | sjhill | prpplague: good....and hard |
| 14:35.21 | sjhill | funny, that sounds like sex....but i digresss.... |
| 14:35.26 | prpplague | lol |
| 14:36.20 | prpplague | sjhill: based on the PR i've been seeing timesys seems to have plenty of biz and a good future |
| 14:38.10 | sjhill | *nod* *nod* *nod* |
| 14:46.01 | chou|housecleani | prpplague: url? |
| 14:46.36 | prpplague | chou|housecleani: url for what? |
| 14:46.45 | chou|housecleani | prpplague: nm |
| 15:06.21 | CosmicPenguin | Slasdotters are so self centered |
| 15:07.31 | CosmicPenguin | And financially stupid |
| 15:08.10 | chou|housecleani | CosmicPenguin: financially or fanatically stupid? |
| 15:08.40 | CosmicPenguin | financially - they make all of these comments on like they understand how high level finance works |
| 15:09.12 | CosmicPenguin | I don't admit that I know how it works, but I know enough to see when other people are talking with an different hole then their mouth |
| 15:09.15 | chou|housecleani | CosmicPenguin: I stopped thinking about how finance works, i pay someone for doing it for me :) |
| 15:09.24 | CosmicPenguin | Exactly |
| 15:09.53 | chou|housecleani | CosmicPenguin: and I get less stress this way :) |
| 15:12.02 | CosmicPenguin | Take this most intellegent comment, for example: |
| 15:12.05 | CosmicPenguin | If I were BayStar, I'd just turn around and sell the stock immediately for ~$20 a share, thus making $3/share * 3 million shares = $6 million. So I'm guessing that: |
| 15:12.14 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - first of all, 3 * 3 is 9 |
| 15:12.39 | CosmicPenguin | And second of all, it was a 50 million dollar investment! if you invest 50 million dollars in a company, you don't bail on that investment for a 9 million dollar return |
| 15:13.13 | levi | Heh. |
| 15:13.19 | chou|housecleani | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 15:13.29 | levi | It's slashdot... you were expecting intelligence? |
| 15:13.52 | CosmicPenguin | I guess not |
| 15:14.04 | chou|housecleani | levi: nah it's from an human being you expect it to be intelligent ... ok i need to go back on Vulcan |
| 15:14.08 | CosmicPenguin | But I now have a clearer understanding why the tech bubble burst |
| 15:15.52 | chou|housecleani | CosmicPenguin: bah ... |
| 15:22.00 | CosmicPenguin | Has anyone ever used Maya before? |
| 15:22.05 | CosmicPenguin | Does it have a large learning curve? |
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| 16:03.12 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: the tech "bubble" was actually the bursting of the airheads behind the net companies. |
| 16:03.50 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: they obviously didn't understand high level finance either: e.g. you have to turn a profit.. |
| 16:04.11 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: you just don't give geeks millions of dollars and expect them to be able to handle it wisely |
| 16:04.19 | TomW | LOL |
| 16:04.33 | TomW | Toys! Toys! Toooooooooooooyyys! |
| 16:04.48 | CosmicPenguin | And I say that with a unblemished record of geekiness |
| 16:05.03 | chou|housecleani | CosmicPenguin: look give me a millions and I will use it wisely ... like paying my debts and placing the rest |
| 16:05.15 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: meaning: no one has given you $10 Million, yet. |
| 16:06.19 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: Well, I'm affected differently - the family business is banking, so I have a built in finance alert |
| 16:06.34 | CosmicPenguin | I still don't understand a damn thing, but at least I understand that I'm stupid |
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| 16:19.56 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:21.46 | CosmicPenguin | ello |
| 16:25.28 | kergoth | how goes? |
| 16:26.02 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: one must know one's limitations.. |
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| 17:29.37 | kergoth | ibot: dbootstrap |
| 17:29.39 | | kergoth: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 17:30.52 | CosmicPenguin | I hate these contracting website |
| 17:31.04 | CosmicPenguin | They are useless - |
| 17:31.47 | CosmicPenguin | No matter what the job is, people are bidding like 500 bucks for months of work |
| 17:39.00 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 17:47.49 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: elance.com |
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| 18:25.34 | Russ | anyone in phoenix for the weekend by chance? |
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| 19:22.50 | TimRiker | Russ: Dallas doesn't count then? ;-) |
| 19:23.21 | Russ | nope |
| 19:23.31 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: there is an emu farm in orem. right near where I used to live. ;-) |
| 19:27.46 | CosmicPenguin | The Simpsons are moving to Provo! |
| 19:27.48 | Russ | lots of emu farms out here |
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| 20:33.40 | Russ | grr...pcb won't take focus anymore |
| 20:36.46 | prpplague | lol |
| 20:40.23 | kergoth | oe metadata repos up to 114 packages |
| 20:40.25 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:54.51 | chouimat | hi |
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| 22:05.20 | kergoth | make that 117 |
| 22:05.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:05.55 | CosmicPenguin | wtg |
| 22:07.47 | kergoth | wtg? |
| 22:08.14 | signal11 | way to go |
| 22:08.23 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:08.29 | kergoth | not familiar with that acronym |
| 22:08.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:09.55 | CosmicPenguin | Blame it on HSX |
| 22:11.02 | kergoth | heh, i always mix shit up going from irc to aim with non-technical friends |
| 22:11.08 | kergoth | s/// tends to confuse them |
| 22:11.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:11.45 | CosmicPenguin | like there is no tommorrow |
| 22:11.50 | CosmicPenguin | and try explaining it after you do it |
| 22:12.06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:12.13 | kergoth | i just pretend it didnt happen and hope they dont ask |
| 22:12.22 | kergoth | since regex isnt something i want to try to explain |
| 22:15.15 | fontenot | can anyone get to sourceforge ? |
| 22:16.41 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 22:17.11 | fontenot | I mean in a browder and get something other than "site down for maintenance" |
| 22:17.26 | CosmicPenguin | Nope |
| 22:17.37 | CosmicPenguin | pixdev.sourceforge.net |
| 22:18.15 | fontenot | OK let's say I need to look at the madwifi project |
| 22:18.26 | fontenot | but madwifi.sourceforge.net is an empty dir |
| 22:18.34 | fontenot | so I need the project page but I font have a link to it |
| 22:18.54 | fontenot | what happens when you go to sourceforge.net |
| 22:18.55 | fontenot | ? |
| 22:19.00 | CosmicPenguin | http://sourceforge.net/projects/madwifi/ |
| 22:19.39 | fontenot | yeah thanks I had just got it |
| 22:56.37 | file[laptop] | hello everyone |
| 22:56.45 | kergoth | hey file |
| 22:58.49 | file[laptop] | but I need a person who knows the PPPoE protocol |
| 22:59.04 | Russ | what do you need to know about it |
| 22:59.32 | *** join/#elinux ShadowRage (~ShadowRag@dialup-67.73.27.81.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net) |
| 23:00.19 | file[laptop] | if it's possible to open up multiple PPPoE sessions on one computer, and get two or more IPs |
| 23:03.50 | Russ | yes |
| 23:04.02 | file[laptop] | I thought so |
| 23:04.19 | Russ | its pretty easy to experiment with pppoe |
| 23:04.23 | Russ | there is a user space server and client |
| 23:05.04 | file[laptop] | I was having the thought of getting multiple IPs on my network server, then somehow mapping them internally to computers |
| 23:05.18 | file[laptop] | so that the network server can filter certain ports, but most stuff will still work like file transfers |
| 23:07.51 | file[laptop] | any thoughts? |
| 23:07.53 | ShadowRage | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/17/187228 read this bullshit |
| 23:07.58 | ShadowRage | FUCKING bullshit |
| 23:09.01 | CosmicPenguin | ShadowRage: are you surprised? |
| 23:10.52 | ShadowRage | not really, but I am surprised by the stupidity |
| 23:10.56 | ShadowRage | and the arrogance |
| 23:11.03 | ShadowRage | most people are subtle about it |
| 23:11.23 | ShadowRage | he just comes right out and says he's full of shit and he thinks the internet should be like cable tv |
| 23:11.47 | CosmicPenguin | Well, in his defense, that is his company |
| 23:12.03 | CosmicPenguin | Its in his best interest to say that |
| 23:12.14 | CosmicPenguin | Just like its in our best interest to disagree |
| 23:12.35 | ShadowRage | I think it's in his best interest to shut the hell up because all he's asking for is a major hacking from hell |
| 23:12.46 | ShadowRage | and unpopularity, and lawsuits, and jailtime |
| 23:12.52 | CosmicPenguin | seriously |
| 23:13.00 | CosmicPenguin | jailtime for saying whats best for his company? |
| 23:13.13 | CosmicPenguin | Its not going to be commercialized, so who cares? |
| 23:13.16 | ShadowRage | seriously, he's admitting "I'll be unpopular" I dont think he realizes how true that is |
| 23:13.27 | ShadowRage | well, thing is, they're pressing it |
| 23:13.32 | ShadowRage | sitefinder is coming back |
| 23:14.03 | Russ | thats the interview I was bitching about last night |
| 23:14.09 | ShadowRage | and remember when I said "watch, forced adverts will come up before you can access your website" well, found out I wasnt too far off from the truth in that either |
| 23:14.21 | CosmicPenguin | If ICANN and the geeks of the world actually let Verisign take over, then they'll deserve what they get |
| 23:14.24 | Russ | its not even cabletv, he wants to fuck with the infustructure, not the content |
| 23:14.38 | ShadowRage | yeah |
| 23:15.03 | ShadowRage | if verisign does get to get their way, I say start a new internet infrastructure, |
| 23:15.04 | Russ | its like if TV manufacturers started putting ads *in* the TV |
| 23:15.15 | Russ | all you need is a new DNS root system |
| 23:15.16 | ShadowRage | that, or you know what? let verisgn create their own version of the internet |
| 23:15.25 | ShadowRage | thing is, they have to start from scratch |
| 23:15.31 | Russ | no, you wouldn't |
| 23:15.38 | Russ | DNS is just a protocol on top of the internet |
| 23:16.08 | ShadowRage | verisign wants to take the technology made by "geeks" away from them for their own self gain, and the internet isnt jst theirs, it's public domain |
| 23:16.36 | Russ | imagine if everyone that ran a piece of the internet used it for advertisement |
| 23:16.51 | Russ | little ads tacked on by each router your traffic goes though |
| 23:16.54 | CosmicPenguin | That would suck (drink Pepsi) |
| 23:17.00 | ShadowRage | no one would use the net |
| 23:17.34 | Russ | no shit, but tacking ads onto traffic is the sort of thing PHB's want to hear |
| 23:17.52 | ShadowRage | I seriously think if they get to do what they want, the geeks of the computer world would prolly start their own protocol, prolly using inet6 stuff, etc and new types of domain like stuff. |
| 23:17.54 | Russ | its a good thing most techies don't talk about whats really possible |
| 23:18.00 | CosmicPenguin | So, if ICANN is still in charge, and Verisign pisses them off too much ,won't they just designate a new TLD? |
| 23:18.16 | Russ | some dumbass spoke up about wildcard DNS during a meeting |
| 23:18.31 | Russ | that'd be my guess |
| 23:18.44 | ShadowRage | yeah |
| 23:19.47 | Russ | if they do do sitefinder though, I can just see every ISP redirecting *.com to their own site |
| 23:19.56 | Russ | making sitefinder compelety pointless |
| 23:20.50 | ShadowRage | and do they realise how stupid that is? |
| 23:20.56 | ShadowRage | how easy ddos attacks would be? |
| 23:21.11 | ShadowRage | they can get attacked from every domain type |
| 23:22.14 | ShadowRage | they'd have two options, block traffic directed to one kind of domain (impossible, because there'd be a near amount of infinite choices) or they could ban isp's... which would render their service useless |
| 23:22.27 | ShadowRage | so they'd just get owned |
