| 01:31.36 | TomW | why is it that the "lowest common denominator" of field technician is some guy who has to be stepped through setting up Windoze HyperTerminal? |
| 01:32.35 | TomW | ... and then, you cannot "kill" the fool for being in a job he is emminantly unqualified for?! |
| 01:33.28 | jacques | :-( |
| 01:35.47 | TomW | jacques: you know, I am about to do a massive hardware upgrade on that controller: take it from an 8051 running a tiny program, up to a 32 bit machine running linux. The thing will have firewall, IP routing tables, HTML driven config menus, etc. |
| 01:36.17 | jacques | wow |
| 01:36.26 | jacques | that's what I call an upgrade |
| 01:36.47 | TomW | jacques: this just may be a money maker for me, if you cannot figure it out, stick a modem on the controller, let it establish a PPP connection with my home system and I will charge you $80/hr to bail your butt out. eh? |
| 01:37.18 | TomW | maybe I will have to hire my own "help desk"? |
| 01:37.20 | TomW | :D |
| 01:37.56 | TomW | "no, the netmask in that case would be 255.255.240.0 ..." |
| 01:38.59 | jacques | lol |
| 01:39.05 | TomW | "route add -net 192.168.10.0 gw 192.168.200.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0, nevermind what it means, just put it in there" |
| 01:39.17 | jacques | well I see nothing wrong with that at all |
| 01:39.28 | TomW | me neither. :) |
| 01:39.52 | TomW | BUT! The customer may want me to hold classes on IP routing, doh! |
| 01:40.08 | jacques | ugh |
| 01:40.12 | TomW | That I wouldn't like to do, I hate teaching idiots. |
| 01:40.37 | jacques | are they willing to pay decently? |
| 01:41.23 | TomW | probably not, I charge them a measly $800 / day + expenses if I have to go onsite, they don't take me up on that too often. |
| 01:41.48 | jacques | i feel your pain |
| 01:41.56 | TomW | LOL |
| 01:42.13 | TomW | I don't like to travel. |
| 01:42.16 | TomW | :D |
| 01:42.44 | TomW | you want to load me into an airplane it is going to cost you something. |
| 01:44.27 | jacques | you just have to walk that line between keeping customers and making money |
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| 04:33.02 | CosmicPenguin | IP Routing is easy, TOm |
| 04:45.36 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: not if you don't know how to do simple binary math |
| 04:46.59 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: maybe we need a set of 'wizzards" for end users to use to route their systems with? |
| 04:47.24 | kergoth | routing wizards? eek |
| 04:47.34 | CosmicPenguin | Good god |
| 04:47.43 | CosmicPenguin | Cisco IOS is hard for a reason |
| 04:48.23 | TomW | heh, yeah WIZZARDS FOR DUMMIES |
| 04:48.54 | TomW | "RIP and ARP for DUMMIES" |
| 04:49.21 | CosmicPenguin | Better than OSPF for dummies |
| 04:50.12 | TomW | you know, there probably is a "networking for dummies" out there, I haven't looked at the series lately. |
| 04:51.22 | CosmicPenguin | http://tinyurl.com/t3t0 |
| 04:51.52 | TomW | RTOFL |
| 04:52.15 | CosmicPenguin | Not only is there a networking for dummies, but its in the 6th damn edition! |
| 04:52.29 | CosmicPenguin | http://tinyurl.com/t3t5 |
| 04:52.49 | TomW | nod |
| 04:53.07 | TomW | have to be able to teach the windoze admins somehow.. |
| 04:54.00 | kergoth | why cant people read the rfcs? :) |
| 04:54.48 | CosmicPenguin | RFCs for Dummies! |
| 04:54.55 | TomW | takes too much time, they want the answers, not how to solve the problem |
| 04:55.22 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: Thinking for Dummies |
| 04:56.15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:57.26 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: hey, I like that tinyurl thingy! It creates a temp url for embedded pages, eh? |
| 04:57.50 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: yeah - micorurl is another |
| 04:57.55 | TomW | cool! |
| 04:57.58 | TomW | thanks |
| 04:58.12 | CosmicPenguin | I don't know how long they last - I'm sure its in the FAQ somewhere |
| 04:58.24 | TomW | maybe they roll over or something |
| 04:58.25 | CosmicPenguin | But especially with the bastards at Amazon, its worth it |
| 04:58.31 | TomW | heh |
| 04:58.41 | TomW | s/bastards/bastids/ |
| 04:59.02 | CosmicPenguin | according to tinyurl, it never expires |
| 04:59.23 | TomW | interesting, and usefull too. |
| 04:59.44 | CosmicPenguin | That namespace isn't *that* big |
| 05:00.43 | jacques | even when the sun goes nova? |
| 05:01.10 | CosmicPenguin | You mean tommorrow? |
| 05:02.06 | jacques | ulp! :-\ |
| 05:02.34 | jacques | who pissed off sol? |
| 05:03.12 | CosmicPenguin | Must've been superman |
| 05:03.25 | CosmicPenguin | Tossing those bombs into the sun again |
| 05:04.07 | jacques | argh I knew that was going to catch up with us eventually |
| 05:04.45 | jacques | i guess sol is hot as hall and isn't going to take it anymore |
| 05:07.10 | jacques | TomW: I think a warp field increases quantum flux |
| 05:07.31 | TomW | I saw this article on LinuxToday: "ESR: The Glider: Proposal for a Hacker Emblem" |
| 05:08.08 | jacques | i like it |
| 05:08.22 | jacques | i have a personal connection with tGoL |
| 05:08.36 | jacques | i find it strange tho that in the whole essay he never mentions Conway once |
| 05:08.41 | TomW | I was just about to post a comment on the story that a Turd would make an appropriate mascot, but, then, I was hit by a blinding flash of intellegence and decided it was not a good idea... |
| 05:08.50 | jacques | lol |
| 05:08.58 | CosmicPenguin | probably because esr think that "he" invented the game of life |
| 05:09.10 | TomW | jacques: I had visions of a DDOS swamping my server. :( |
| 05:09.14 | jacques | esr is a bit full of himself isnt he |
| 05:09.32 | jacques | TomW: he meant hacker not haX0r |
| 05:09.45 | CosmicPenguin | He's the steve Allen of the computer world |
| 05:10.02 | TomW | ok, I get confused when I see it written someplace. I am a hacker |
| 05:10.22 | jacques | yes TomW you most certainly are |
| 05:10.24 | CosmicPenguin | You are not a cracker |
| 05:10.29 | TomW | when I see it in print, I think "cracker" |
| 05:10.30 | CosmicPenguin | At least not that we know of |
| 05:10.34 | jacques | heh |
| 05:10.46 | TomW | "not I" said /me |
| 05:10.52 | jacques | subspeciesously/ |
| 05:10.53 | jacques | ? |
| 05:11.10 | TomW | nope nope nope, I don't like the pictures they show of jails |
| 05:11.18 | TomW | lol |
| 05:11.28 | TomW | suspeciousouily |
| 05:11.46 | CosmicPenguin | Bah - spell checking is for marketing types |
| 05:11.48 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 05:11.51 | jacques | lol |
| 05:12.01 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: yeah, I can tell documentation is not one of your strong skills |
| 05:12.10 | jacques | double lol |
| 05:12.14 | CosmicPenguin | Its not even a skill |
| 05:13.27 | TomW | You can spell a function name any way you like, as long as the linker can find it. |
| 05:13.27 | TomW | I don't even use lint |
| 05:13.39 | TomW | more fun that way |
| 05:13.48 | jacques | heh yeah sonsistency is all that counts there |
| 05:13.53 | jacques | consistency |
| 05:15.25 | TomW | I need a linux driver for a 28L194 (quad UART) written |
| 05:15.42 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: what was that url of those cheapo programmers? |
| 05:16.01 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: the ones that will work for months for only $200? |
| 05:16.22 | CosmicPenguin | They're on all the programming sites |
| 05:16.29 | CosmicPenguin | ContractedWork.com is a good one |
| 05:16.39 | CosmicPenguin | Elance is good too, but it costs money |
| 05:17.13 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: remember - you get what you pay for |
| 05:17.37 | TomW | do you have to pay them in Dollars or Dinars? |
| 05:17.49 | TomW | Rubles maybe? |
| 05:18.36 | CosmicPenguin | Andrew Jackson is accepted around the world |
| 05:18.45 | TomW | nod |
| 05:19.15 | jacques | huh? ppl accept payment in role playing games? |
| 05:19.27 | jacques | oh that's Steve Jackson. nm |
| 05:19.59 | CosmicPenguin | Thats was a sufficently nerdy comment |
| 05:20.00 | CosmicPenguin | kudos |
| 05:20.05 | TomW | ah well, bedtime, I have more 8051 coding to do tomorrow. :( |
| 05:20.10 | jacques | :-D |
| 05:20.43 | TomW`gone | fortunately, most of it will be in C |
| 05:20.53 | jacques | 'night TomW`gone |
| 05:39.44 | chouimat|Zzzzz | nigth |
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| 14:57.56 | CosmicPenguin | monring |
| 14:57.57 | CosmicPenguin | good |
| 15:00.37 | mallum | hey CosmicPenguin |
| 15:00.52 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: how are things? |
| 15:01.31 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yeah good good, and you ? |
| 15:01.45 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: playing with http://www.musicpd.org |
| 15:02.13 | CosmicPenguin | hmm.... |
| 15:02.17 | CosmicPenguin | Whats different about it? |
| 15:04.11 | mallum | just seems to have a few nice clients available |
| 15:05.58 | CosmicPenguin | "Wo can make me a bidsniper like bidslammer.com and make it also work with other auctions. Max bid $ 200!" |
| 15:06.06 | CosmicPenguin | Aren't people stupid? |
| 15:15.53 | CosmicPenguin | Google Considering Merger With Microsoft |
| 15:16.48 | file | blasphemy |
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| 15:29.55 | sieve | morning guys |
| 15:38.19 | sieve | ACK! I'm starting to think SCO is more evil and twisted than M$ |
| 15:43.43 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:48.08 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:48.18 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 15:48.20 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 15:48.25 | chouimat | hi CosmicPenguin |
| 15:48.46 | CosmicPenguin | hello |
| 15:49.45 | CosmicPenguin | Are all the /. stories fake today, again ? |
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| 15:50.11 | chouimat | hi TimRiker |
| 15:50.37 | CosmicPenguin | I can't help but notice the extension RPM specified on the SCO website |
| 16:54.41 | levi | Yow, Qt/E in a cell phone. |
| 16:56.04 | levi | http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20031031005147&newsLang=en |
| 16:59.50 | CosmicPenguin | diff -urN Qt/E.regular Qt/E.phone |
| 16:59.57 | CosmicPenguin | -SCREEN_WIDTH=240 |
| 17:00.02 | CosmicPenguin | +SCREEN_WDITH=170 |
| 17:00.04 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 17:00.30 | CosmicPenguin | Not that there is anything wrong with that |
| 17:01.29 | CosmicPenguin | With everyone else talking smart phones, TrollTech would be stupid not to market it |
| 17:02.01 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: smartphone? it will be able to do my laundry and my taxes reports? |
| 17:14.51 | CosmicPenguin | something like that |
| 17:15.14 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: ok I won't buy one then |
| 17:40.34 | CosmicPenguin | Its quite cold outside |
| 17:40.37 | CosmicPenguin | A nice bitter wind |
| 17:40.46 | CosmicPenguin | Those little pigs |
| 17:40.50 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: how much cold? |
| 17:41.23 | chouimat | speaking of animal care ... I need to buy cat food and liter |
| 17:42.53 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: air temp just under 0 C |
| 17:43.07 | chouimat | ok it's 3C here |
| 17:43.07 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: but with the wind chill, I bet its pushing -10 C |
| 17:43.21 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe not that much |
| 17:43.24 | CosmicPenguin | -5 maybe |
| 17:46.33 | levi | I took a jacket to work today for the first time this season. |
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| 17:54.20 | Lenolium | Anyone have any pointers for a tiny zlib (64k of RAM) decompressor? Compression is totally not necessary. |
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| 17:55.18 | file | hello Master MIPs |
| 17:57.13 | sjhill | hi file |
| 17:57.47 | CosmicPenguin | Wait - a tiny zlib in terms of size or memory usage? |
| 17:58.23 | kergoth | either way the stuff in busybox is probably decent |
| 18:04.49 | CosmicPenguin | argh! Missionaries! |
| 18:05.16 | collord | hand them candy, tell them they have nice costumes |
| 18:05.40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:05.44 | CosmicPenguin | Female missionaries to boot |
| 18:07.22 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin? |
| 18:07.24 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: what cult? |
| 18:07.37 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: LDS |
| 18:07.45 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.46 | CosmicPenguin | Utah |
| 18:07.52 | sjhill | ah, the mormons |
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| 18:08.19 | sjhill | k |
| 18:08.40 | sjhill | i have a real problem with Jehovah's Witnesses |
| 18:09.02 | file | I have a friend who is a Jehovah's Witness! |
| 18:09.37 | sjhill | file: are his eyes glazed over? |
| 18:09.51 | file | no |
| 18:10.00 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think it has been two years since they last came to my door |
| 18:10.02 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe it has been |
| 18:10.13 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe my neighbors tipped them off |
| 18:10.40 | CosmicPenguin | No offense to all my LDS friends of course... :) |
| 18:10.58 | sjhill | TomW: hey Tommeeee, you around? |
| 18:20.37 | Lenolium | CosmicPenguin: Tiny in memory usage. This device only has 256k of Ram total. |
| 18:24.23 | CosmicPenguin | Lenolium: I don't know how responsible busybox is, but like kergoth said, thats probably your best bet |
| 18:24.44 | CosmicPenguin | you'll probably need to tweek it to make sure it doesn't buffer too much |
| 18:25.12 | kergoth | get this |
| 18:25.16 | kergoth | i run ./configure |
| 18:25.25 | kergoth | it outputs glib-1.2.8/Makefile, config.h, and config.status |
| 18:25.29 | kergoth | instead of in the dir i'm running configure from |
| 18:25.37 | kergoth | so when it runs glib's configure, it thinks its already configured and aborts |
| 18:25.39 | kergoth | weird! |
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| 21:26.52 | CosmicPumpkin | e Bill Gates says 'You don't need perfect code to avoid security problems.' Instead he suggests that users acquire and properly configure firewalls and make sure that they keep their software patches up-to-date. |
| 21:27.03 | CosmicPumpkin | In other words - we suck, and its your fault |
| 21:27.08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:27.18 | levi | yay, my eMac arrived! |
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| 23:30.58 | CosmicPumpkin | anyone familar with CUPS? |
| 23:35.57 | levi | What level of familiarity are you looking for? |
| 23:36.47 | TomW | CosmicPumpkin: hello pumpkin |
| 23:37.10 | CosmicPumpkin | levi: is it possible to query the logs remotely? |
| 23:37.18 | CosmicPumpkin | levi: /me is lazy |
| 23:37.31 | TomW | CosmicPumpkin: it is possible to set up CUPS remotely |
| 23:38.19 | CosmicPumpkin | TomW: but assume I'm a stupid person, and I want to figure out the number of pages printed by the individual users on a cups network |
| 23:38.53 | CosmicPumpkin | TomW: and also assume that I'm a little box sitting somewhere that has access to the CUPS server |
| 23:39.17 | TomW | CosmicPumpkin: I don't think that kind of stuff is logged by CUPS, maybe it can be logged by lpr? |
| 23:39.35 | levi | I know you can do a lot of administrative stuff through the CUPS web interface. |
| 23:39.46 | levi | But that's not something I recall seeing there. |
| 23:40.36 | TomW | CosmicPumpkin: cat /var/log/cups/page_log |
| 23:40.53 | CosmicPumpkin | TomW: exactly |
| 23:41.06 | CosmicPumpkin | TomW: now, can I get that remotely, through CUPS ? |
| 23:42.01 | TomW | I don't think so, but then, cups just messes with my mind whenever I have to fsck with it. |
| 23:43.28 | CosmicPumpkin | Damn |
| 23:43.57 | CosmicPumpkin | I really don't want to make a remote app have to ssh to a random *NIX box, try to find out where the logs live, copy the logs over and parse em |
| 23:44.07 | CosmicPumpkin | I mean, I'll do it if I have to, but seesh |
| 23:45.07 | TomW | CosmicPumpkin: cannot you make the /var/logs/cups a fifo and write a daemon to forward the contents of the fifo to another machine? something like that anyway. |
| 23:50.06 | CosmicPumpkin | TomW: perhaps |
| 23:50.22 | CosmicPumpkin | TomW: this is a device designed to be installed in a network and quietly monitor the system |
| 23:50.40 | CosmicPumpkin | TomW: so the less the end user has to do on their boxes, the better |
| 23:50.52 | TomW | CosmicPumpkin: what for, to see who is hogging all the paper? :D |
| 23:51.13 | CosmicPumpkin | TomW: exactly |
| 23:51.17 | TomW | lol |
| 23:51.41 | TomW | "lazy bastid just prints stuff out all day, get rid of 'em" |
| 23:56.09 | TomW | CosmicPumpkin: doesn't give page count, but: lpstat -W completed HPDJ895C |