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02:51.12jacquesanyone know an easy way to get total RAM size of a linux box - i.e. not /proc/meminfo which has RAM after kernel use
02:51.26jacquesor something like that since it says me machine has 506kB
02:51.33chouimatjacques: dmesg?
02:51.43jacquesdmesg has the info but is not relaible on a machine which has been up for a while
02:51.54jacquessince it's a ring buffer
02:52.18jacquesclosest I have found so far is parsing the hex values from /proc/iomem
02:52.56chouimati usaly use free
02:53.56jacquesbut thats same as /proc/meminfo value
02:53.59jacquesMem:        516660
02:54.08jacquesibot: 516660 / 1024
02:54.09504.55078125
02:55.08jacqueswe're trying to make a script that gathers info from lots of machines - like sysinfo but up-to-date (havent been able to find any recent sysinfo-like thing)
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06:15.47sorphinjbot: imposter
06:16.09sorphinhmm
06:16.59sorphinjbot: ping
06:17.15sorphinheh, cute
06:17.28jacques?
06:17.39jacquesI didnt see anything
06:17.43sorphinexactly
06:17.47sorphinjbot doesn't respond
06:19.34sorphininteresting
06:20.05sorphinbut it's not
06:21.46jacquesibot's working on hh.org
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06:49.31signal11go to sleep eh
06:49.35signal11it's late
07:05.11sorphinjbot: test
07:05.21sorphinsignal11: you 1st marky mark
07:08.53signal11yeah i am definitely ready for some sleep
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14:36.58sorphinlo sjhill, GPSFan jnork, mallum you old git and TomW
14:39.17sorphin~bitchslap sjhill for good measure
14:39.22ACTION beats the sh*t out of sjhill for good measure
14:39.31sorphinwow, jbot responds now :P
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14:42.24GPSFanlo dan
14:42.26sorphinade|desk: 2 commoners at once.. scary
14:42.38ade|desklo git
14:43.06sorphinGPSFan: another friend had suggested biasing a transistor instead of the opamp approach
14:43.31sorphinman i'm a sad EE, i've gotten rusty from barely doing anything
14:43.48GPSFansorphin: yea, a single transistor amp could provide the needed gain vs. an op amp.
14:44.47sorphinGPSFan: mentioned a zener for a stable reg voltage
14:44.52sorphineerm
14:44.54sorphinref
14:45.02sorphini need more sleep :P
14:45.09sorphinade|desk: hows tricks
14:45.17ade|deskfine ta, you ?#
14:45.51sorphinsoso.. tired, rainy, someone else here at work bought a damn mini
14:45.53sorphingranted
14:45.57sorphinthere's might be blue
14:45.59sorphinbut
14:46.09sorphinit's a non S, it's got stripes, cheap wheels :P
14:46.15ade|desklol
14:46.20ade|desksnob
14:46.22sorphinif you're gonna copy me, atleast be smart and get an S
14:46.33ade|deskoh well
14:46.44sorphinade|desk: mate, i couldn't even fit in a classic :P
14:46.52ade|deskanyone compile X here recently?
14:46.57sorphinso don't even go there ;)
14:46.59ade|desksorphin: you fat git
14:47.04sorphinade|desk: no, tall
14:47.16ade|deskok .. you tall git :-P
14:47.17sorphincharlize theron couldn't evne fit in one w/o mods to it
14:47.22sjhill*yawn*
14:47.50sorphinsjhill: morning mipsy
14:48.11sjhillsjhill: 'ello
14:48.19sjhilli'm SuperH guy today
14:48.22sorphinheh
14:48.30sorphinhe says 'ello to himself
14:48.31sorphincute
14:48.32sjhilli finally debugged faulty caches
14:48.35sjhillnot fun
14:48.47sorphinsjhill: i sure hope you code better than your IRC ;)
14:48.51sorphin-r
14:48.59ade|deskwhich is better Xfbdev or Xvesa ?
14:49.00sjhilli do :)
14:49.12sjhillade|desk: Xvesa....because it has less letters in the name
14:49.31sorphinade|desk: umm.. not seen either before, this the fork of XFree?
14:49.55ade|desksjhill: hmmm ?!?
14:50.00sorphinade|desk: xfb implies framebuffer vs normal
14:50.12sorphinaka graphic console mode
14:50.18ade|desksorphin: they are both kdrive
14:50.27sorphinuhh
14:50.41sorphinnot that i know what kdrive is
14:50.42sorphin:P
14:50.59ade|deskam deciding which to go for on standard i386 gfx
14:51.25sorphinso this new shit, i dunno
14:51.26ade|deski need a small X, not the full 4.3 etc
14:51.44ade|deskkdrive has been in the X src for ages!!!
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15:09.42sorphinade|desk: i use binaries
15:10.05ade|deski want to compile against uclibc
15:10.06sorphinandersee: uhh...
15:10.11sorphinandersee: transplanted?
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15:12.55anderseesorphin: ??
15:15.18sorphinandersee: uh.. you're on from .fi :P
15:15.27sorphinformer home of Linus :P
15:15.56anderseesorphin: ahh, that
15:16.13anderseesorphin: yeah, I'm here in finland for the week on business
15:16.56sorphinandersee: trying to take busybox/uclibc to world domination? ;)
15:17.07anderseesorphin: heh
15:17.10anderseesorphin: working on it
15:17.24sorphinindeed
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16:25.58anderseeibot: welcome back
16:26.00It's great to be back!
16:27.16ade|deskibot : sorry i killed you
16:27.19ade|desk: I give up, what is it?
16:27.39ade|deskibot: i was cos you were an AI problem
16:27.41ade|desk: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
16:27.50ade|deskibot: dunno
16:27.51rumour has it, dunno is #1/usr/bin/girl
16:28.13ade|desktee hee
17:15.15ade|deskhome time :)
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18:30.35sorphinTimRiker: re
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19:02.49sorphinGPSFan: re
19:12.12GPSFanhey dan, beautiful day here a crisp 22F this morning, now up to almost 40F.
19:37.02sjhillwell past 50F here
19:37.10sjhillTomW: how warm is it over there?
19:37.56sorphinsjhill: storms hit yet?
19:38.02prpplague72f here
19:38.34sjhillprpplague: yeah, screw you :)
19:38.42sjhillsorphin: storms?
19:38.46sjhillwhat storms?
19:38.54sorphinguess it's more south than PA
19:39.31prpplaguesjhill: lol
19:48.47jnorkPA?
19:49.19jnorkIt's dark here, but not stormy. Mid-50s.
19:50.55jnorkWho's in PA, and where?
19:53.04sjhilljnork: TomW and i are in western PA...i'm in pittsburgh and i forget where he is
20:04.09jnorkAh.
20:04.13jnorkI'm near Philly.
20:04.21sjhill5 hours away
20:04.27jnorkYar.
20:04.50jnorkTHAT close.
20:05.04jnorkOK, maybe not quite. About 1 block away, though.
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20:31.14sorphinw
20:31.19sorphingrr
20:31.29ade|deskre git
20:31.36sorphinre, and brb
20:31.39sorphinresetting the dsl modem
20:32.02ade|deskcya
20:32.45sorphinback :P
20:33.30sorphinstill no change in my upstream speed
20:33.43ade|deskwhat you upto ?
20:34.56sorphinade|desk: breakin shit of course
20:35.14ade|desksorphin: as usual
20:35.49sorphinade|desk: still w/ the same lass?
20:35.56ade|deskyup
20:36.18ade|desklooking at rings now
20:36.33sorphinindeed
20:56.20TomWsjhill: I'm in the eastern part of PA, other side.
20:56.34sorphinTomW: hey
20:56.37TomWwhat?
20:56.42sorphinheh
20:56.52sjhillTomW: ah, sorry 'bout that
20:56.53sorphini'm not allowed to just say hey (aka hi) ?
20:57.09TomWbeen messing with a faulty Paradox database under Win2K.. :P
20:57.20sorphinTomW: that's not MY fault :P
20:57.21TomWsorphin: not in the best of moods.
20:57.33sorphinTomW: i'll spare you then
20:57.34TomWsorphin: you're correct.
20:57.40TomW~bitchslap sorphin
20:57.47ACTION beats the sh*t out of sorphin
20:57.51TomWheh
20:58.05sorphinTomW: foudn a transistor-zener ckt
20:58.28TomWwhat you going to do with that?
20:58.33sorphinbut i still don't think it'd do it cuz it'd need a higher V on the input
20:59.00sorphinTomW: someone mentioned biasing a transistor setup instead of using an opamp
20:59.15TomWfor the nav thingy?
20:59.22sorphinand using a zener for a ref, so i went digging
20:59.23sorphinyes
20:59.59TomWsorphin: you know what you really need?
21:00.11prpplagueomg check this quote out from a m$ rep - "As an intellectual property company that has invested heavily in research and development, we take patent infringement very seriously and respect the intellectual property rights of others."
21:00.26sorphinprpplague: uh huh
21:00.26TomWsorphin: VOX
21:00.45sorphinTomW: heh
21:00.50TomWsorphin: that is what you really need, go purchase a VOX
21:00.53TomWno shit
21:01.35sorphinand do what? hook a headphone up to the nav voice wires, and the vox up to the mute wire? :P
21:01.38TomWsorphin: they make the VOX setups for HF rigs that are add-on type units.  Screw building your own, buy one.
21:02.09TomWdoh, nope, you use the VOX to drive whatever relay you need to switch / control the audio.
21:02.37sorphinTomW: got a link type thang?
21:02.47sorphinprpplague: that's like SCO
21:02.48TomWVOX is what is used to key the HF transmitters so you don't need a PTT switch.
21:03.00TomWnaw, I've been off the air for abt 2 years now.
21:03.15TomWgoogle it
21:04.54sorphingoogle isn't as useful as it once was since they jack w /the results now :P
21:05.04prpplaguewhats the latest poop on wireless chipsets?
21:05.33prpplaguewhats the chipset that has the best opensource supported chipset
21:05.56sjhillummm
21:06.04sjhillPrism2 would be my vote
21:06.15sorphinsjhill: was just gonna say that myself
21:06.39prpplaguesjhill: i thought prism2 was phased out?
21:06.51sjhillprpplague: you said best supported...so i told you
21:06.51prpplaguesjhill: i can;t seem to find any vendors that are still using it
21:06.58prpplaguesjhill: good point
21:07.19prpplaguesjhill: guess i should have added, currently in production
21:07.37sjhillprpplague: you might want to post on the linux-wlan list(s) then
21:09.04prpplaguesjhill: yea, i was reading some posts with similiar questions, but not much answers
21:09.43prpplaguesjhill: i really hate *cough* broadcom , since i have almost 400 cards sitting around worthless
21:10.03sorphinprpplague: everyone loves to hate bcm
21:12.37prpplaguesorphin: yea we ended up with a ton of useless dlink cards based on broadcom chipset
21:13.19prpplaguelooks like prism2 stuff is the only ones that is a truely opensource driver
21:14.11sorphinyup
21:16.06GPSFanhey prpplague, TI... http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ Prism Duet... http://prism54.org/ Agree/Orinoco... http://www.agere.com/support/drivers/
21:16.35GPSFanprpplague: all open source, I believe.
21:17.23GPSFanand of course Prism 2/2.5/3 .... http://hostap.epitest.fi/
21:18.08prpplagueGPSFan: yea its not the software for the prism that is the problem, its finding the hardware
21:19.31GPSFanprpplague: you looking for pcmcia, mini-pci, or what?
21:20.39prpplagueGPSFan: mini-pci
21:21.04file[desk]my 802.11b ap uses a prism2 pcmcia card ;)
21:21.32GPSFanprpplague: 2.5 cards are in current production. http://www.netgate.com/minipci.html
21:23.05prpplagueGPSFan: what about standard pci?
21:23.15prpplaguesorphin: thanks but i need another 799
21:23.31GPSFanI have one (802.11b) in a http://www.soekris.com/ 4521 access point.
21:23.59sorphinprpplague: clone it ;)
21:24.23GPSFanStandard PCI is usually (802.11b) done with a pcmcia-PCI adapter card and a pcmcia card.
21:24.44prpplagueGPSFan: much more expensive that way
21:25.18prpplagueGPSFan: or atleast that has been our experience
21:25.24fileGPSFan: took the words right out of my mouth
21:26.18GPSFan802.11a/g/b is often times done with a mini-pci card and an adaptor http://wesmyers.home.mchsi.com/
21:26.50GPSFanprpplague: yes but there were very 802.11b true PCI cards made.
21:26.52filechouimat: some politician here is initiating a plan to make high speed internet available to everybody in New Brunswick
21:27.43ade|deskwhat speed is high speed ?
21:27.46GPSFanprpplague: I bought a bunch of PLX based pcmcia adaptors for about $13us. the come and go at that price.
21:27.57fileade|desk: dunno
21:28.07fileade|desk: atleast 64kbps would be my guess LOL
21:28.26ade|deskdont rub it in :(
21:28.52sorphinade|desk: uh.. isdn is 128K
21:29.02filewell, dual
21:29.25filesingle is 64
21:29.28ade|deskisp only allows single channel, else i pay way more
21:29.35sorphinuhh
21:29.58sorphinfile: never had anyone use single channel when we ran the ISP
21:30.01ade|deskbut when at work, 2Mbit
21:30.10filesorphin: eh some people are forced to
21:30.41chouimathmmm why when I ask for C++ Linux QT job on monsters.com I get MFC jobs?
21:30.49ade|deskheh
21:31.04prpplagueGPSFan: problem with pcmcia is emplyees can steal the cards
21:31.05ade|deskcos they think C++ stinks
21:31.15fileprpplague: glue!
21:31.16sorphinade|desk: maybe cuz it does?
21:31.30prpplaguefile: not very professional
21:31.46fileprpplague: Belkin just stuck a sticker on mine to keep it in
21:31.49marklwrkchouimat: perhaps it's a job that will have both windows & linux tasks
21:32.07prpplagueGPSFan: actually there were/are about 20 pci cards made
21:32.26ade|deskfile: adsl is only 7 years away :)
21:32.52sorphinade|desk: heh
21:32.55chouimatmarklwrk: not from what I saw
21:33.05fileade|desk: start digging a line to your office and setup a fiberoptic cable lol
21:33.07ade|desksorphin: good old BT :)
21:33.32ade|deskonly allowed to put the exchange in once a town has more than 500 people wanting it
21:33.39ade|deski live in a village
21:33.47ade|deski am fucked
21:33.48fileeek
21:34.01ade|desk192 people live here
21:34.06sorphinade|desk: where you at now?
21:34.24ade|deskholme-next-the-sea, norfolk
21:34.25sorphinfile: if someone's 1.2 miles away from me, i can run fiber to them from my ethernet switch ;)
21:34.38ade|deskN coast of norfolk
21:34.40sorphinade|desk: ah
21:35.03ade|desk1.60192 km
21:35.11fileahhhh that makes more sense
21:35.12ade|deskish
21:35.16sorphinfile: a naive canuck at that
21:35.28fileso yeah, started learning Visual Basic today
21:35.37ade|deskwhy?
21:35.41sorphinfile: funny how you are canadian, but yet, i've been to canada, and dirving a CAR that read in MPH :P
21:35.44GPSFanprpplague: 20 different cards? different chipsets? your # is probably more accurate than my estimate, which came from here... http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/Prism2Card
21:35.48fileI feel like strangling the teacher
21:35.55fileade|desk: school, computer science 110
21:35.56marklwrkVB is pretty cool i guess, if you absolutely must use windows
21:36.14filemarklwrk: I'd rather a language like C that I can use across platforms like Windows and Linux
21:37.25sorphinfile: well, C is only cross platform if you know how to code worth a damn ;)
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21:37.54filecontrary to popular belief, I can code
21:38.09prpplagueGPSFan: 20 cards
21:39.06prpplagueGPSFan: not all prism based
21:39.21filewhy is prism such a widely used standard?
21:39.42sorphinfile: not what i meant :P
21:39.58filesorphin: good
21:40.02sorphinfile: i meant if you say, followed less platform/OS specific stuff
21:40.11sorphinaka
21:40.12sorphinansi
21:40.14filesorphin: aye
21:40.29prpplagueGPSFan: and there are about 3 cards i know of that are not on that list
21:41.05GPSFanprpplague: k.
21:41.21prpplagueGPSFan: gemtek, netgear, and realtek
21:41.49prpplagueGPSFan: thats why this is such a mess, there are alot of oem folks who never advertise their cards
21:42.18fileI had fun during our QBasic section... my code was so beyond the teacher she looked at it, gazed, and left without saying a word
21:43.02sorphinfile: my fun was the reverse, my code was more efficient than the instructor wanted (and i was done in mins) (this was c++ in college), that it annoyed the instructor
21:43.03GPSFanprpplague: realtek & admtek (.tw) are relatively newcommers, and are teh source ofmuch of the shakeout in the 802.11b world. they came in with real low $ chipsets and undercut Intersil/Agree, etc.
21:43.19filesorphin: haha
21:43.38prpplagueGPSFan: yea, they actually produced some prism2 based pci cards for oems
21:44.02prpplagueGPSFan: its really put us in a bind
21:44.18GPSFanprpplague: they don't give a rat'w ass about the open source community, (much like b.comm)
21:44.20prpplagueGPSFan: probably gonna use this one - http://www.gemtek.com.tw/prod_wl_360.htm
21:44.33prpplagueGPSFan: thats a ralink based unit
21:44.47prpplagueGPSFan: which appears to have an open source driver
21:45.03GPSFanurl?
21:45.34GPSFanprpplague: ah, raylink=Rayetheon
21:47.20sorphinyup
21:47.39sorphinGPSFan: the lovely people my scope came from ;)
21:54.36GPSFansorphin: indeed, makers of lots of good stuff as well as trash. goodstuff= http://www.raytheon.com/products/dve/ trash=rayjeff vhf radios.
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22:01.34marklwrkcool
22:01.58sorphinGPSFan: don't forget missiles :P
22:03.55GPSFansorphin: their missles are somewhat over-rated, DVE isn't.
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22:09.49prpplaguethat was fun
22:10.26prpplaguehttp://www.weather.com/weather/map/75605?from=LAPmaps
22:16.24CosmicTuxYou guys just get your asses kicked down there?
22:17.07prpplaguenot too bad, just power failure and some strong winds
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22:37.33chouimathey Cosmic* prpplague
22:54.44CosmicPenguinThats embbarrasing
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