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01:42.59GPSFanhey dan, how's trix?
01:43.36sorphinGPSFan: tired, but alright
01:43.43sorphinwas just out messing w/ the nav unit in the mini
01:45.09GPSFandoes your nav unit use CD or DVD media to store maps?
01:45.55sorphindvd
01:46.12GPSFanwhole contry on one?
01:46.17sorphinyup
01:46.24sorphinw/ plenty of room to spare
01:46.33GPSFanany problem with vibration?
01:47.13sorphinnope
01:47.22GPSFancool, Alpine?
01:48.11sorphindoes seem to have a prob  w/ accuracy tho :P  thinks i'm on 1 ramp when i'm on one to the right a bit.. plus had it lock up the other night while messing w/ it while driving, it rebooted itself proper and put me 400ft away from the highway :P
01:48.20sorphinnot sure who makes it
01:48.56GPSFanwhere is the antenna located?
01:49.45sorphinroof, looks like a shark fin
01:49.58sorphinthey move the radio antenna into the rear right window
01:50.25sorphinlooking at the firmware update cd atm
01:50.32GPSFanhm, is it shared with a cell phone ant, or is it gps only?
01:51.22sorphinboth
01:51.28sorphinlooks like VDO makes it
01:51.37sorphinfrom this copyright on the firmware disc
01:52.15GPSFanah. VDO makes some cool auto instruments.
01:53.07sorphinyou can apparently adapt this for video too
01:53.19sorphincosts a bundle tho
01:54.57GPSFanI've seen the alpine unit and you can do that too, although the res was like 320 x 240. yours may be a vga display rather than the ntsc/pal native interface
01:55.19GPSFanthus the need for a $$$ adapter.
01:55.42sorphinnod
01:55.49sorphintmc's not enabled yet either
01:55.56GPSFantmc??
01:56.08sorphintraffic message channel
01:56.46GPSFanah, for lack of infrastructure, or need of firmware?
01:58.44sorphinGPSFan: firmware
01:58.53sorphinbmw hasn't enabled it yet
02:01.48GPSFansorphin: gotcha...
02:01.51GPSFanbbl...
02:03.09sorphink
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05:05.51Russyou know, it never occured to me before, but a socialist state is excactly the same as the whole feifdom thing
05:05.54Russhttp://www.korea-dpr.com/politics3.htm
07:29.54fishheadHOLY MOTHER OF CANUCK, DREMEL JUST ANNOUNCED A LITHIUM-ION CORDLESS DREMEL TOOL, WOW
08:48.11Russthat'll be expensize
08:48.18Russer, expensive
09:11.06Russfollowup, north korea has their own onion
09:11.07Russhttp://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2003/200312/news12/03.htm#7
09:23.34Russhttp://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2003/200312/news12/01.htm#16
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13:14.06sorphin~fishslap fishhead for the 'canuck' obsession we discussed (plus using all caps like a luser) :P
13:14.12ACTION slaps fishhead up side the head with a wet fish for the 'canuck' obsession we discussed (plus using all caps like a luser) :P
13:17.12julia_morning all
13:18.09sorphinjulia_: allo
13:18.25julia_I just got a Audivox Thera
13:18.28julia_kinda cool phone
13:19.06sorphin(on an unrelated topic)
14:05.40chouimatmorning
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14:23.23sorphinGPSFan: mornin
14:23.29sjhillgah
14:23.54sjhillunfortunately there doesn't seem to be an option to take advantage of multiple cpu's
14:27.14GPSFansorphin: morning..
14:27.40sorphinsjhill: so rewrite it multithreaded ;)
14:27.44sorphinGPSFan: sup?
14:31.32GPSFansorphin: nada, just waking up.. seeing what's to do today.
14:40.25sorphinGPSFan: nod
14:40.49sorphinGPSFan: btw, pretty sure my nav is a modified MS5000
14:53.47GPSFansorphin: http://gpsinformation.net/vdo5000rev.htm
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16:19.36fishheadit's amazing for me to watch the industry
16:19.47fishheadhow everyone said risc was the only way and risc would own all
16:20.20fishheadand instead risc is finding it's best roots in embedded systems such as i/o processors
16:20.59sjhillfishhead: you realize, of course, that at the center of x86 and ia64 processors is RISC
16:21.09fishheadyes I know that also
16:21.17fishheadsame with the k6 and athlon and opteron
16:21.39fishheadI am not bashing either dude
16:21.42sorphinsjhill: my nav uses a riscy cpu
16:21.54fishheadI am just saying it's like the guy trains al lhis life to be a boxer
16:22.01fishheadand ends up being the world's best golfer
16:22.18fishheadthere are plenty of places in embedded space where cisc is a joke
16:22.53fishheadand other places where cisc or cisc frontends are the best
16:23.04fishheadtake the ppc
16:23.12fishheadtelco hw companies love it
16:23.22fishheadbecause it's able to do a lot of software dsp opterations
16:24.12fishheadI just like the ways things turn out differentely than were expected initially sometimes
16:24.41fishheadzinc oxide used to be nothing more than a byproduct pollant in some metal refinering
16:25.18fishheadnow it's used in tires, semiconductors like mov's and leds, animal vitamin supplement, and many other uses
17:04.01mallumkergoth: ping
17:11.23CosmicPenguinandersee: if uclibc-ldd segfaults, is it normally because I'm contaminated with regular libc code somewhere?
17:12.02anderseeCosmicPenguin: not necessarily
17:12.11anderseeCosmicPenguin: version?
17:15.18CosmicPenguin0.9.19
17:17.13CosmicPenguinI'm trying to build tcl/tk
17:17.19CosmicPenguinIts gotta be a screwup on my end
17:36.52CosmicPenguinandersee: yeah - tcl is stupid
17:37.31anderseeCosmicPenguin: does the tcl binary have an rpath?
17:37.51CosmicPenguinandersee: instead of counting on the system to do the loading, it tries to do it itself
17:38.18anderseehmm
17:38.22CosmicPenguinSo it builds a stub with a -dynamic, and its all sorts of foobared
17:38.39CosmicPenguinI don't need shared libraries anyway, so cie la vie
17:39.41anderseeCosmicPenguin: I've done a fair amount of work on fixing some dlopen() problems since 0.9.19
17:40.01CosmicPenguinandersee: Ok - I'll upgrade then
17:40.22andersee0.9.23 is pretty good
17:56.12kergothmallum: pong
17:57.17mallumkergoth: heya
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20:27.47SoFhttp://www.outwar.com/page.php?x=1556007
20:27.49sjhillhas anyone here every used or heard of parallel flash connected to PCI?
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21:44.33CosmicPenguinwoot - I got tk/tcl running under uclibc and tinyx
21:45.20jacquesnice
21:46.10CosmicPenguin3.2 mb... :)
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22:00.33CosmicPenguinmallum: have you done any studies into what parts of the standard X tarballs(s) can be safely removed for Tinyx?
22:00.54CosmicPenguinWith an eye to reducing the size of the tarball, and eliminating all the useless code that doesn't get compiled anyway
22:01.56mallumCosmicPenguin: use the fd.o X
22:02.33kergoththe main lib packages for the fd.o X are in oe.. just need to add the rest
22:02.34mallumCosmicPenguin: it already has all the crud removed. and you can build xlib with things like --disable-xlocale ( buy 600k ), --disable-xcms etc
22:02.36kergothyay for granularity
22:02.53CosmicPenguinfd.o X?
22:02.59kergothCosmicPenguin: freedesktop.org
22:03.04CosmicPenguinohhh....
22:03.05mallumCosmicPenguin: xserver.freedesktop.org
22:03.07CosmicPenguindoes that use kdrive?
22:03.12mallumCosmicPenguin: its was all the kids are using
22:03.45mallumyeah its kdrive stuff from XFree86 basically forked off ( wooooohooo )
22:04.25CosmicPenguinno shit, woo-hoo
22:04.36CosmicPenguinIts only in CVS?
22:05.05mallumyeah
22:05.18CosmicPenguinThats a bit less woo-hoo
22:05.19mallumtheres a page on fd.o on how to build
22:06.12kergothCosmicPenguin: add the rest of the .oe's
22:07.56mallumkergoth: how is oe lately ?
22:08.09CosmicPenguinwhat .oes are missing?
22:08.17kergothCosmicPenguin: ask treke, he added the current ones
22:08.21mallumkergoth: btw, me and treke just got the c7x0 fb to rotate right for X ( I think )
22:08.23kergothi fixed their builds, thats about it
22:08.32kergothmallum: yea, he's pestering ljp to fix qte to use the hw rot
22:08.34kergoth:)
22:08.42mallumhehe
22:09.26kergothdisconnect and i are fixing the last qte keyboard handling issue
22:09.36kergothpopulated a new array so remapping works properly
22:09.58CosmicPenguindamnit - pkg-config?
22:10.08kergothyep
22:10.14mallumah cool. I tried a new kernel today but pcmcia was seging, I think I need to update the pcmcia modules
22:10.20kergothOE patches our native pkg-config to not output -I and -L's
22:10.22mallumCosmicPenguin: you are living in the 90's
22:10.30kergothsince we supply the include and lib paths in directly anyway
22:10.38CosmicPenguinmallum: I'm living on a cross complilng world
22:10.43kergothso crosscompilation wont explode
22:10.48kergothuse oe, be lazy like us
22:11.05mallumCosmicPenguin: ;-) I think pkg-config should soon have proper x-compiling support
22:11.17CosmicPenguinI want to, but the curve for building a image is still a little bit steep
22:11.29CosmicPenguinkergoth: I'll get there eventually
22:11.34kergothoemake -a && oeinstall && oeimage && echo DONE
22:11.36kergothHEH
22:11.38kergoth;)
22:11.50kergothi have a cronjob in TI building me images nightly
22:11.55kergothand deploying them onto an nfs/smb share
22:12.16kergothyou do need to define OEPKGS to what you want to build a nd INST_OEPKGS to what you want to install
22:12.19kergothor cmdline
22:12.27mallumkergoth: oe makes images now ?
22:12.29kergothe.g. oemake -a glibc && oeinstall glibc && oeimage
22:12.31kergothor what have you
22:12.38kergothor oeimage -t cramfs
22:12.39kergothblah
22:12.41kergothmallum: yep
22:12.57CosmicPenguinkergoth: where is OEPKGS defined?
22:13.02kergothlocal.conf
22:13.06mallumkergoth: what platforms ?
22:13.06kergothwith everything else
22:13.13kergothmallum: whatever
22:13.18mallumkergoth: ipaqs ?
22:13.21kergothjust need to define a var for the erase block size and stuff
22:13.36kergothi dont think ew have an h3600.conf with EXTRA_IMAGECMD for it yet
22:13.46kergoththe infrastruture is in place, just need to add some data
22:18.04CosmicPenguinThere aren't any predefined configs with the packages included?
22:18.19kergothi dont think so, i'm the only one building images
22:18.19kergothhehe
22:18.27kergoththe default is to install everything, and to bulid everything
22:18.29CosmicPenguinAhh, I see
22:19.39mallumkergoth: sounds really nice :-) I guess c7x0 images are standard now ?
22:19.55CosmicPenguinIs the kernel not in there either?
22:20.09kergothno kernels are in
22:20.12kergothmostly due to laziness
22:20.15kergothwe havef a kernel.oeclass
22:20.17kergothnothing to it
22:20.35kergothheres an example..
22:20.58kergothSRC_URI="ftp://path/to/kernel.tar.gz"
22:21.03kergothS="${WORKDIR}/linux"
22:21.06kergothinherit base kernel
22:21.10kergothdo_configure_prepend () {
22:21.25kergoth<PROTECTED>
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22:21.25kergoth<PROTECTED>
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22:21.27kergoth}
22:21.33CosmicPenguinI see
22:21.35kergoththats it.
22:21.38kergothjust nobody's bothered
22:23.01CosmicPenguinAnd where do the images get built?
22:23.07CosmicPenguins/where/how/
22:23.07kergothtmp/deploy/images/
22:23.12kergothunless you tell it somewhere else
22:23.21kergothdefault type is jffs2
22:23.27kergothsee the IMAGE variables in oe.conf for the commands it runs
22:23.42kergothdeafult rootfs for both oeimage and oeinstall is ${TOPDIR}/tmp/rootfs
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22:24.30CosmicPenguinHow would you change it to say, cramfs or ext2?
22:24.47kergothIMAGE_CMD =
22:24.47kergothIMAGE_CMD_jffs2 = mkfs.jffs2 --root=${IMAGE_ROOTFS} --pad --squash --faketime \
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22:24.54kergothyou would add an implementation of IMAGE_CMD_cramfs
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22:25.02kergothwith the command to run for that type
22:25.13CosmicPenguinI see, I see
22:25.16chouimatconfigure: error: no acceptable ld found in $PATH
22:25.27CosmicPenguinIts in OE image
22:25.39kergothoeimage adds the 'type' to OVERRIDES
22:25.44kergothwhich is why BLAH_jffs2 works
22:25.51kergoththat gets assigned to BLAH when jffs2 is in overrides
22:26.14kergothoeimage just runs IMAGE_CMD
22:26.47CosmicPenguinsweet
22:27.11kergothso addign a type tarball is just a matter of assigning the tar commadn to IMAGE_CMD_tarball
22:27.14kergothpretty simple
22:28.01CosmicPenguinIt looks good
22:29.52CosmicPenguinI would like to migrate all of my low power x86 builds over to OE
22:30.01CosmicPenguinThere is no time like the present, I guess
22:30.12kergothright now i'm working on exerting policy at build time
22:30.40kergothi want you to be able to say .. i want my rootfs read only, with /etc copied from rom into a ramfs, and /usr writable but with the contents of /usr in rom symlinked back into it, and X partitioning scheme
22:30.47kergoth;)
22:31.01CosmicPenguinI was just going to say - my CF images right now (and russ is going to kill me)
22:31.15CosmicPenguinAre gziped ext2 images that I run as an initrd
22:31.32CosmicPenguinSo its kind of a two stage process
22:32.28CosmicPenguinkergoth: when you get a chance, toss those MW/Pixil OEs back at me
22:32.35CosmicPenguinOr better yet, push them up so I can play... :)
22:32.47kergothk, i'll push em
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22:41.58CosmicPenguinkergoth: here's a question... say I don't like your busybox config.  Is there a way to specify a busybox config per platform?
22:42.20kergothnot at the moment.. would be good to alter it to obey FILESDIR/defconfig_${MACHINE} if it exists
22:42.27kergothor something similar
22:43.47Russnothing wrong with ramdisks, if you have the ram
22:43.53Russand you don't mind the extra boot time
22:43.57kergothindeed
23:11.24kergothCosmicPenguin: forget to inherit libtool and build libtool-cross, autoconf-native, and automake-native first?
23:11.48CosmicPenguinuh?
23:12.22CosmicPenguinlibtool-cross was the one that bailed
23:12.30kergothah
23:12.36kergoththought you meant it exploded in the tcl build
23:12.47CosmicPenguinIt didn't like my compiler for some reason
23:13.05CosmicPenguinhecking for i686-linux-gcc... ccache i686-linux-gcc
23:13.05CosmicPenguinchecking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
23:13.26kergothah, building for native?
23:13.31CosmicPenguinwell, sort of
23:13.33kergothis your compiler actually i686-linux-gcc?
23:13.36kergothon my box
23:13.41kergothi need to empty the prefix
23:13.43kergothso its just gcc
23:13.50kergothecho TARGET_PREFIX= >> conf/local.conf
23:13.54CosmicPenguinI want to build for uclibc, but I'm scared... :)
23:14.00kergothor BUILD_PREFIX, whatever
23:14.08chouimatarrrggggg
23:15.29CosmicPenguinYou need a purty spinner while its calculating dependencies... :)
23:15.42kergothhehe, yeah
23:15.51kergothwhat we actually need, is to cache teh data in a local db
23:15.59kergothso it doesnt have to do it every fucking time
23:16.31RussI fucking hate windows (trying to fix a relatives computer)
23:16.51CosmicPenguinkergoth: I don't mind that so much, gentoo has the same problem
23:17.05kergothCosmicPenguin: oh really? didnt realize
23:17.21marklwrkdon't forget the Splash Screen
23:17.30kergoththat seems silly.  just use dnotify to watch for modifications to the original source metadata or something
23:17.35marklwrkit's very important to interrupt users for 5 seconds every time they use your program
23:17.36Russ'An error or exception occured while calling the function "DLLInstall" in "?:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\inetcpl.clp".'
23:17.43kergothRuss: ew
23:19.44RussI haven't a clue
23:19.59Russthe internet explorer installation is so screwed up
23:21.22RussThe error I get when I try to open the control panel isn't even googlable
23:27.25mallumkergoth: is the current c7x0 kernel in oz a bit fuxord ? pcmcia-cs keeps seging for me :/
23:27.33kergothhm, should be working
23:27.35kergothafaik
23:28.56mallummaybe it is hostap causing the problem
23:36.12fishheadcanuck
23:36.22fishheadruss
23:36.23fishheadhey
23:36.30fishheadwindows problems ?
23:36.58Russya
23:37.02Russwindows isn't candian though
23:37.14fishheadI know
23:37.18fishheadwhat version of windows
23:37.40Russwinme
23:38.01fishheadforget it you are screwed
23:38.16Russya, thats what I realized
23:38.20fishheadresinstall
23:38.21fishhead:P
23:38.25fishheadwin9x = CANUCKED
23:38.30fishheadvery hard to fix
23:38.36Russthats what I'm doing right now, I doubt it will do much
23:38.44Russwinme is the worst amoung them
23:38.48CosmicPenguinfishhead: you need to learn some curse words that aren't so racist
23:38.48fishheadyeah
23:38.54fishheadcosmic dude
23:38.59fishheadcanuck is not a rascist word
23:39.09fishheadand I am being comical regardless
23:39.22Russdude, thats speaking down to people who's heads come apart when they talk
23:39.23chouimatfishhead what have we done to you? it's because we have "free" healthcare?
23:39.36CosmicPenguincomical implies hilarity - hilarity does not exist here
23:39.41fishheadchouimat celin dion's titanic soundtrack
23:39.46kergoths/comical/annoying/
23:39.48Russchouimat: watch canadian bacon, then you'll understand the true severity of the situation
23:39.48fishheadthat's what you have done
23:39.54fishheadruss exa ctely
23:40.08fishheadRuss tell me about that winME box
23:40.13fishheadwhat's the specs
23:40.47chouimatfishhead we're not the ones who said that celine dion is a sex symbol ...
23:41.17fishheadavril is though
23:41.25fishheadso that almost cancels celin out
23:41.38Russfishhead: its a compaq, what else
23:41.46fishheadRuss what cpu, how much ram
23:41.52Russsome athlon with 128M
23:42.00fishheadif you have to stick with windows
23:42.02chouimatfishhead I'm sorry for the American beers ... I know I'm not guilty of that but I share the pain
23:42.05Russvarious spyware completely screwed it up
23:42.09fishheadyou should really think about 2k or xp
23:42.16fishheadRuss did you install spybot
23:42.32RussI have ad-aware on that now, but the damage to internet explorer is done
23:42.38fishheada ctually
23:42.39fishheadit depends
23:42.48fishheadsome spyware rapes IE if you try to remove it
23:42.55fishheadI know spybot has some fixes for that
23:43.11RussAn upgrade from 5.5 to 6.0 happened while spyware was installed
23:43.22Russso the repair put half of ie back at 5.5 I think
23:43.27fishheadouch
23:43.35Russbut there is something else thats fucked up and I can't find what it is
23:43.45fishheadyou really should thnk about moving to 2k or xp if you don't have any software or hardware issues
23:43.49fishheadit's 10x more reliable
23:43.49Russthe ie install doesn't seem to know where the system folder is
23:44.01Russits not a reliability issue though
23:44.28fishheadyes but you see if you get spyware insalled again
23:44.32fishhead2k/xp you can usually repair
23:44.44fishheador go linux if you can
23:45.20fishheador at least get ghost or some ghost cloe
23:45.22fishheadclone
23:45.52jnorkfishhead is the personification of all wisdom and knowledge.
23:45.52Russwhy
23:46.23fishheadjnork no I just don't have a life and done x86 hw and sw repair for 10 yrs
23:46.31fishheadI just happen to be full of experience
23:46.36fishheadI don't th ink of myself as great or smart
23:47.06RussI mean why ghost the drive
23:47.22fishheadif you do it right after you install winME and all the patches
23:47.31fishheadthen you can take your machine back to that point any time you have problems
23:47.59fishheador just flush it every few weeks on a normal basis
23:48.44fishheadnext best thing to do if you have to keep using win9x
23:51.16Russya, that made it worse
23:51.35Russnow its going though alot of "Windows cannot upgrade the file %1 from %2"
23:51.44Russduring dosbox startup
23:51.54Russits a fucking piece of donkey shit
23:52.21fishheadIT'S "CANUCKED"
23:52.28fishheaduhh dude
23:52.33fishheadghost reimages the entire drive
23:52.36fishheadwipes everything out
23:52.40fishheadso it could't make it worse
23:52.45Russya, they would not be happy with a wiped drive
23:52.50chouimatfishhead please stop using such word ...
23:53.08fishheadwhat  a bunch of babies
23:53.10fishheadgeez
23:53.12fishheadbut fine
23:53.19fishheadbtw google "CANUCKED"
23:55.44Russ"Indeed. I believe the Canucks of Vancouver are superior warriors."
23:57.30Russand of course, the o so helpfull message "If windows fails to start, run SETUP again"
23:57.36fishheadbut then again, french people don't even understand how to shower
23:58.26*** mode/#elinux [+o Russ] by ChanServ
23:58.41fishheadruss whatever the system belongs to
23:58.43chouimatfishhead here we know what is a shower ... it's the bidet we have problem with
23:59.02*** kick/#elinux [fishhead!user@ip68-2-183-161.ph.ph.cox.net] by Russ (Russ)
23:59.03*** join/#elinux fishhead (~iwin@c-24-3-14-56.client.comcast.net)
23:59.32fishheadI suggest you tell them like it is
23:59.36fishheadit needs formatted
23:59.52Russmaybe I should install 98 over ME

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