| 00:00.02 | fishhead | won't work |
| 00:00.13 | Russ | why no |
| 00:00.14 | Russ | t |
| 00:00.22 | fishhead | registry is different etc |
| 00:00.26 | fishhead | it will choke |
| 00:01.07 | fishhead | dude make a backup the drive as is |
| 00:01.09 | fishhead | reformat |
| 00:01.16 | Russ | reinstall me has already made it much worse |
| 00:01.16 | fishhead | and then save what you can of their files |
| 00:01.32 | fishhead | dude I been doing this for 5 yrs professionally |
| 00:01.34 | fishhead | trust e |
| 00:01.46 | fishhead | once win9x gets corruption in it, very little will fix it |
| 00:01.56 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, because you exude professionalism from every pore |
| 00:02.02 | fishhead | if you need a 2nd voice so you look better to these people |
| 00:02.08 | fishhead | I would be happy to take a call |
| 00:02.27 | fishhead | and tell them that win9x gets a bug up it;s ass and the only way to fix it is to start over |
| 00:02.41 | fishhead | cosmic |
| 00:02.44 | fishhead | hey dipshit |
| 00:02.48 | fishhead | I ain't bragging |
| 00:02.50 | CosmicPenguin | yello |
| 00:02.55 | fishhead | I am trying to give him confidence |
| 00:03.41 | CosmicPenguin | I think Russ can hold his own |
| 00:03.46 | fishhead | oh I know he can |
| 00:04.02 | fishhead | I just know how painful a total reload is espically if the customer has a lot of apps |
| 00:04.10 | fishhead | I am just trying to assure him it's the right call |
| 00:05.51 | fishhead | geez you people really piss me off sometimes |
| 00:05.59 | fishhead | you assume the worst motives about me |
| 00:06.04 | CosmicPenguin | likewise, I'm sure |
| 00:06.20 | jnork | It's your calm, quiet, winning personality. |
| 00:06.38 | fishhead | there I feel better now :) |
| 00:06.40 | fishhead | :P |
| 00:06.45 | CosmicPenguin | ladies and gentlemen, the prosection rests |
| 00:07.11 | jnork | Russ, I never recommend installing over -- I always recommend a wipe-out and start over. Otherwise it just uses your old settings and you have a new fucked system just like the old fucked system. |
| 00:07.32 | jnork | Your alleged sense of humour is so mature. I forgot to mention that. |
| 00:07.44 | fishhead | jnork |
| 00:07.46 | fishhead | thx |
| 00:08.33 | chouimat | jnork i think i will soon propose that we vote to name fishhead our official pain in the ass |
| 00:08.58 | jnork | I think it will pass by acclamation. Unanimously. |
| 00:09.02 | fishhead | right here pal |
| 00:10.08 | fishhead | if you guys weren't so damn smart ...... |
| 00:10.18 | file | chouimat: sorphin will always be the thorn in my side |
| 00:10.28 | jnork | I'm not smart. |
| 00:10.48 | chouimat | file but sorphin is more mature than fishhead |
| 00:10.51 | jnork | Smartass, but not smart. |
| 00:12.50 | chouimat | hmmm coool goldmember on super ecran tonight |
| 00:23.58 | jnork | http://www2.b3ta.com/realistic-internet-simulator/ |
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| 02:41.53 | Russ | grr...now I'm getting an SU0350 |
| 02:42.09 | Russ | "We're greedy bastards and we think you owe us some money" |
| 03:27.09 | Russ | every error message I get gets no hits on google |
| 03:27.16 | Russ | someone screwed this computer up special, just for me |
| 03:29.01 | Russ | \ |
| 03:32.54 | Russ | ok, that was messed up |
| 03:33.17 | Russ | winme refused to install because another application had installed a file called license.txt in \windows\help overwriting the ME one |
| 03:33.38 | Russ | how the hell is it a reinstall if it doesn't bother overwriting files that it knows are wrong |
| 03:34.53 | MonMotha | it's ME, MS didn't intend for it to be usable |
| 03:35.08 | Russ | but what the hell kind of reinstall is that |
| 03:35.16 | jnork | I warned you. |
| 03:35.24 | MonMotha | A "We're greedy bastards and we think you owe us some money" reinstall |
| 03:36.25 | jnork | If an MS non-upgrade installation disk notices that you've ever had any MS version of software withing 200 miles of the computer, it'll stick out its lower lip and tell you to go eat worms. |
| 03:37.06 | jnork | And if you have an old installation that it will let you replace... it will use all the settings from the old install, even if you install into a new directory. |
| 03:37.27 | jnork | It's fucking stupid. |
| 03:37.47 | MonMotha | oh, and the hard disk space check is priceless |
| 03:38.01 | chouimat | jnork MS upgrade is a pita like my ex-wife |
| 03:38.02 | jnork | God, I hate MS sometimes. |
| 03:38.02 | MonMotha | do nothing...do nothing...do nothing...and at 99% ask FS how much space is free :) |
| 03:38.38 | jnork | My personal recommendation is to copy all your data to backup, wipe out and re-install. |
| 03:39.01 | chouimat | jnork and it's faster too |
| 03:39.10 | jnork | I personally tend to use two drives -- I put the OS on one and use the other as a data drive. Because I know in 6 months I'll be wiping out and starting over. |
| 03:39.46 | jnork | This is something I've encountered time and again. FUCKING MICROSOFT. |
| 03:40.09 | CosmicPenguin | tcl is a very underrated language |
| 03:40.23 | MonMotha | yes, TCL can actually be useful |
| 03:40.36 | jnork | I have a book on it, haven't read it yet. |
| 03:40.43 | MonMotha | unlike java |
| 03:41.01 | jnork | Older book, picked it up for a buck or two. |
| 03:41.05 | CosmicPenguin | java is a very over rated language |
| 03:41.11 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin but after 30000 lines of code it's hard to maintaint |
| 03:41.30 | chouimat | I prefer java in a mug |
| 03:41.46 | jnork | Heh. That's true of any code, if you don't make the effort to structure and comment it properly. |
| 03:42.05 | jnork | I'd tell you about my last assembly project, except I think I wanna go kill something. |
| 03:42.31 | jnork | Thinking about MS's bullshit does that to me. |
| 03:42.38 | chouimat | jnork I can show you some ADA code that will make you kill someone |
| 03:42.46 | jnork | *nod* |
| 03:42.53 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: I don't think overrated is a strong enough word |
| 03:43.03 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: true that |
| 03:43.33 | jnork | This assy code is well structured and I used tricks that resembled data hiding and so on. Very oop. The engineer who inherited it had no problem picking it up. |
| 03:43.59 | jnork | Lots and lots of accessor macros, when I needed speed, and functions when I didn't. |
| 03:44.28 | jnork | Wish I could show you the code, but anyway. |
| 03:46.13 | CosmicPenguin | Well, anyway.... tcl is definately good. For the price of a realtively light intepeter, you get a rich toolkit of toys |
| 03:46.23 | CosmicPenguin | And its very cross platform |
| 03:46.24 | jnork | The point is that while some programming languages encourage structure more than others, you can make crappy code with any compiler... or good code. |
| 03:46.47 | jnork | Except APL, which is pretty much impossible to write maintainable code. :) |
| 03:47.04 | chouimat | jnork APL is a write only language |
| 03:47.10 | jnork | Indeed! |
| 03:47.16 | jnork | Cool as hell, though! |
| 03:47.37 | chouimat | jnork ya for it's purpose nothing beat it |
| 03:47.58 | jnork | So... should I play Quake, UT, or HL? And which mod? |
| 03:48.39 | chouimat | jnork don't know ... I hate this type of game .... and I'm currently look at this nice bottle of absinth |
| 03:48.52 | jnork | Maybe I'll play some CTF. |
| 03:49.54 | jnork | [¹²¾] Clan UK|2061ms|195.157.97.97:7977 |
| 03:59.16 | Russ | bf1942 |
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| 09:49.58 | Russ | all I gotta say, is wow... |
| 09:50.00 | Russ | http://objective.jesussave.us/kidz.html |
| 09:50.13 | Russ | "Professor, what are fossils and where did they come from?" |
| 09:50.34 | Russ | "Fossils are the buried remains of the wicked men and animals that perished 4000 years ago in the flood!" |
| 09:51.28 | Russ | "Neanderthals were humans with abnormal bone growth due to very advanced age..." |
| 09:53.51 | Russ | oh, wait, nm, its a spoof site |
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| 13:08.56 | loid | hello to all!! |
| 13:10.38 | loid | somebody know what is this?? |
| 13:10.39 | loid | AX:0212 |
| 13:10.43 | loid | BX:1A00 |
| 13:10.46 | loid | CX:0001 |
| 13:10.50 | loid | DX:0100. |
| 13:10.55 | loid | 0200 |
| 13:18.10 | sjhill | an X-rated alphabet? |
| 13:49.02 | pb_ | looks like that answered his question. |
| 13:53.01 | sjhill | looked like a part of x86 assembly dump |
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| 15:17.51 | chouimat | morning |
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| 16:20.51 | mallum | kergoth: heya |
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| 16:31.22 | sorphin | andersee: hello mr andersen |
| 16:31.52 | andersee | sorphin: morning |
| 16:32.07 | sorphin | andersee: hows trix? |
| 16:33.13 | andersee | sorphin: the green clovers are good, but I'm getting a bit tired of the purple horseshoes |
| 16:34.53 | sorphin | heh |
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| 16:49.16 | CosmicPenguin | wow - early morning comedy |
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| 17:39.26 | CosmicPenguin | What the heck does "cp: failed to preserve ownership" mean? |
| 17:39.53 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: cp can keep the owner of the file |
| 17:39.58 | chouimat | s/can/can't |
| 17:40.30 | CosmicPenguin | they're both root |
| 17:41.01 | chouimat | weird then |
| 17:41.46 | CosmicPenguin | The two files in question are softlinks |
| 17:43.57 | julia_ | is one on a fat partition? |
| 17:44.48 | CosmicPenguin | nope |
| 17:45.38 | julia_ | I remember seeing that message a lot when copying to a filesystem that didn't handle ownership well, such as fat |
| 17:46.22 | CosmicPenguin | nope - they're all on the same fs type |
| 17:46.34 | CosmicPenguin | And the real funny thing is that this only happens when I run it as part of an e-build |
| 17:46.40 | CosmicPenguin | If I do it from the command line, it works |
| 17:47.23 | julia_ | weird |
| 17:47.29 | julia_ | you broke it |
| 17:50.47 | julia_ | I wish I could run linux on my new phone (pocketpc based) |
| 17:56.33 | CosmicPenguin | Hmm... it was because I was running -a instead of -dR |
| 17:56.37 | CosmicPenguin | on the cp, that is |
| 17:56.48 | CosmicPenguin | But I still don't understand why that wasn't ok |
| 17:57.06 | julia_ | communist plot |
| 17:57.11 | julia_ | ask George W. |
| 17:57.21 | julia_ | He knows all ;-) |
| 17:57.46 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, I think I know why - the softlink was 666, but I was trying to copy it to a 755 directory |
| 17:57.55 | CosmicPenguin | Thats probably why it broke down |
| 17:58.28 | CosmicPenguin | bah |
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| 18:00.51 | julia_ | Hi Tim |
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| 18:40.10 | CosmicPenguin | marklwrk: you around? |
| 18:49.54 | marklwrk | yes |
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| 18:57.50 | sjhill | has anyone worked a fair amount with CRAMFS? |
| 18:57.53 | sorphin | GPSFan: afternoon |
| 18:58.04 | sorphin | sjhill: i haven't |
| 18:58.13 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: russ is the cramfs man |
| 18:58.27 | CosmicPenguin | marklwrk: would it be really stupid of me to e-mail Greg and ask him to give me the wildfire code? |
| 18:58.28 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 19:01.00 | sjhill | Russ: hey you hey you hey you |
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| 19:23.56 | sorphin | TomW: allo |
| 19:24.01 | TomW | hello |
| 19:24.04 | kergoth | hey |
| 19:24.38 | TomW | you can tell what time of year it is: the college kiddies are emailing thier technical questions out.. |
| 19:25.25 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:27.01 | CosmicPenguin | Releasing something on Sourceforge is a long and tiring process |
| 19:28.02 | TomW | "How ADS7846 will know the range of X and Y Co-ordinates? Do we need to specify..." |
| 19:28.21 | TomW | oh well |
| 19:28.21 | CosmicPenguin | lol |
| 19:28.28 | CosmicPenguin | We're getting that on the Nano-X mailing list too |
| 19:28.40 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: yeah, have any spare clues on you? |
| 19:28.58 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: I'm fresh out |
| 19:29.46 | TomW | I'm too tired right now to write a dissertation on Noise vs. LCD range vs. driver calibrations.. |
| 19:30.15 | TomW | too sick actually, I seem to have caught something while I was away: the flu. |
| 19:30.40 | CosmicPenguin | Is it me, or have engineers been getting hit very hard with the flu this year? |
| 19:30.45 | TomW | sorphin: I wonder if it snuck in from St Louis? |
| 19:31.50 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: prolly, because we sit inside a building for hours at a time, we must make easy targets for virii & bacteria? |
| 19:32.16 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: yeah, but this year seems particularly bad |
| 19:36.09 | marklwrk | CosmicPenguin: no it wouldn't be stupid. but you know that he will want _something_ in return. |
| 19:36.46 | CosmicPenguin | marklwrk: you know him better then me. Whats the right way to approach that? |
| 19:36.59 | marklwrk | well you have to catch him in the right mood i guess |
| 19:37.33 | marklwrk | sometimes he gets really contrary and you won't get anything out of him; other times he can be more generous |
| 19:37.55 | marklwrk | if you communicate the value of the code to him first ($0, right, since the project is dead) you might convince him to abandonware it |
| 19:38.53 | marklwrk | perhaps you can agree to help him bring the code onto a new platform for free or a reduced rate if he wants to use it again. |
| 19:39.13 | marklwrk | considering that you want to hack on it for free, that might be a good win-win |
| 19:40.24 | CosmicPenguin | marklwrk: thats good sense |
| 19:40.37 | marklwrk | in my case, i asked for some hardware right after i got canned, so perhaps he just felt sorry for me and let me have it |
| 19:40.53 | marklwrk | w/ the agreement that if they ever ask for it back, I'll hand it over |
| 19:40.59 | CosmicPenguin | Quintron? |
| 19:40.59 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 19:41.09 | marklwrk | yeah |
| 19:41.20 | marklwrk | so basically it's mine forever |
| 19:41.26 | CosmicPenguin | I still do work for them - but they haven't asked about it, and quite frankly, I won't tell them |
| 19:41.35 | marklwrk | i just need to get X going on it again. |
| 19:41.42 | marklwrk | i can't get the ZF board to boot so i might swap it |
| 19:41.52 | CosmicPenguin | X never worked on it |
| 19:42.04 | marklwrk | frame buffer? |
| 19:42.06 | marklwrk | vesa? |
| 19:42.26 | CosmicPenguin | I wrote the framebuffer driver for the dual heads |
| 19:42.49 | marklwrk | so you at least know how to get fb going, that's enough. |
| 19:49.04 | sorphin | heh |
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| 19:58.59 | ade|desk | sorphin: cluster killing time :) |
| 19:59.28 | sorphin | ade: fun |
| 19:59.31 | sorphin | bah |
| 20:03.36 | Russ | sjhill: yes? |
| 20:03.51 | Russ | TimRiker: did you look at my blob_item patch? |
| 20:03.57 | sorphin | Russ: i think he wants you to cramfs him |
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| 20:50.09 | sorphin | GPSFan_: re |
| 20:50.22 | GPSFan_ | howdy... |
| 20:50.28 | sorphin | GPSFan_: did some testing last night |
| 20:50.32 | sjhill | Russ: give me 10 minutes, you gonna' be around? |
| 20:50.47 | Russ | ya |
| 20:50.55 | sorphin | GPSFan_: a 3.3V zener and a 10k, and then tried a 1k resistor, on a 12v line |
| 20:50.55 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: and....? |
| 20:51.11 | sorphin | GPSFan_: at the zener/resistor junction |
| 20:51.16 | sorphin | was < 3V |
| 20:52.07 | sorphin | bout 2.5 or so |
| 20:52.30 | sorphin | so i don't see how a 4.3V zener is gonna do it |
| 20:53.00 | sjhill | ~ibot whaleslap sorphin |
| 20:53.03 | | ACTION slaps sorphin upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 20:53.20 | sjhill | k, i wasn't sure if my net connection died or not |
| 20:53.54 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: where did you connect that 1K? |
| 20:54.09 | sorphin | sjhill: so MIPS yourself |
| 20:54.14 | sorphin | sjhill: go even |
| 20:54.55 | sorphin | GPSFan_: +12v <----/\/\/\-----|<|-----GND |
| 20:55.33 | sorphin | GPSFan_: and measuring in between the 2 |
| 20:58.58 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: with a 1k you should have had plenty of current for the zener. try measuring across the zener without the vox output or the mute line connected. |
| 21:04.19 | sorphin | i was |
| 21:04.24 | sorphin | this was just on my protoboard |
| 21:05.04 | sorphin | GPSFan_: 12v from an external drive PSU, nothing but my meter hooked across the zener |
| 21:06.50 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: well, unless it was a "power" zener and needed more that 10ma, it should have been 3.3V. bad zener maybe? |
| 21:08.12 | sorphin | shouldn't be, figured if it were bad, i'd have gotten nothing at all/an open or such |
| 21:08.30 | sorphin | GPSFan_: i have 2 10V ones, i'll try them tonight before i get a 4.3v tomorrow |
| 21:09.07 | sorphin | GPSFan_: now does that mean the zener will burn up 4.3v or leaves 4.3 ? |
| 21:09.14 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: if it was shorted you would have gotten 0v, open, you would have gotten 12v, so something was going on. Try varying the 12v and see if the zener voltage changes. |
| 21:10.26 | GPSFan_ | if the zener voltage is 4.3v that means that that's the voltage you will see across it regardless ov the current through it (within limits, say 5-20ma) |
| 21:11.07 | sorphin | GPSFan_: so 4.3V is what the mute wire will see |
| 21:11.11 | sorphin | right? |
| 21:12.08 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: yeah, 4.3v is the Max the mute line will see, the zener will not let it get too high. it can get lower, as the pnp turns on it will go to ground eventually. |
| 21:12.52 | GPSFan_ | so the zener is acting as protection for the mute line to not let it get above 4.3v. |
| 21:13.32 | sorphin | gotcha |
| 21:13.59 | sorphin | GPSFan_: would it be better to get a 4.7 or 5v zener since tht's what it's pulled up to natively? |
| 21:15.24 | GPSFan_ | ideally you would have your pullup to 5v, but if you can't get at the 5v supply in the radio, limitting the mute line voltage is the next best thing. 4.7v is the standard value, 4.3, 4.7, 5.1 |
| 21:15.44 | GPSFan_ | either 5.1 or 4.7 should be fine. |
| 21:16.32 | sorphin | k |
| 21:17.27 | GPSFan_ | what we are trying to prevent is forward biasing the input protection diode of the device the mute line connects to inside the radio. |
| 21:18.25 | GPSFan_ | we don't know what that circuit looks like so it's best not to exceed 5v, which is what we presume the logic inside the radio is running at. |
| 21:21.16 | GPSFan_ | 1n750, or 1n751 |
| 21:44.16 | sorphin | k |
| 22:14.08 | sjhill | Russ: still there? |
| 22:15.18 | CosmicPenguin | This is like watching a really really boring tennis match... :) |
| 22:18.02 | sjhill | crap, i took too long |
| 22:18.35 | CosmicPenguin | Toss out your question, anway |
| 22:18.41 | CosmicPenguin | Russ knows the most, but I've played with it before |
| 22:18.58 | sjhill | well, essentially, i need to have a NFS root |
| 22:19.13 | sjhill | and the ethernet driver is proprietary, so it has to be loaded as a module |
| 22:19.46 | sjhill | so, CRAMFS with insmod and the driver and dhcpclient then pivot_root to NFS mounted filesystem |
| 22:19.53 | sjhill | see what i'm trying to do? |
| 22:20.46 | CosmicPenguin | I do |
| 22:21.33 | MonMotha | ah, the good ol initrd hackery begins |
| 22:22.07 | sjhill | MonMotha: i'm space limited, i'd like to use CRAMFS, but if initrd is more feasible, then so be it |
| 22:22.37 | MonMotha | I didn't think you could pivot_root unless you were in an initrd |
| 22:22.39 | sjhill | actually, i guess and initrd would work, i'm going to free the thing anyway |
| 22:22.44 | sjhill | oh |
| 22:22.48 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: is that true? |
| 22:22.56 | MonMotha | and can't the kernel decompress a gzipped initrd image |
| 22:22.59 | MonMotha | ? |
| 22:23.09 | sjhill | yes |
| 22:23.17 | MonMotha | I usually just use whatever filesystem the kernel has (or minix) and gzip the sucker |
| 22:23.30 | MonMotha | usually yeilds pretty good compression, and avoids the inclusion of yet another fs into the kernel |
| 22:23.33 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: you can pivot root anytime |
| 22:23.39 | MonMotha | really...that's cool |
| 22:23.49 | MonMotha | is there any limit to the number of times you can pivot? |
| 22:23.59 | kergoth | yep, but if you dont do it in a linuxrc, you'll never ditch all the apps that have teh old one open, so you'll never be able to unmount the old one |
| 22:24.10 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth hit right on the nose |
| 22:24.12 | MonMotha | still powerful... |
| 22:24.29 | MonMotha | I never could get initrds to work right.. |
| 22:24.32 | MonMotha | never pivoted |
| 22:24.34 | CosmicPenguin | If you're not really careful, its just a more dangerious chroot() |
| 22:24.35 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 22:24.40 | MonMotha | heh |
| 22:24.56 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: I would totally go initrd on what youa re doing |
| 22:25.01 | sjhill | *nod* |
| 22:25.06 | MonMotha | I love how I am having a packaged delivered to me tomorrow that UPS says is "On Time", it sat in one place all today |
| 22:25.14 | MonMotha | yeah, this just screams initrd |
| 22:25.29 | MonMotha | this is one of the things initrd was made for, that and cryptoloop / :) |
| 22:25.32 | sjhill | anyone have an image i can start from? |
| 22:25.41 | file | MonMotha: I've had that happen |
| 22:25.47 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: my current flavor of the month with my x86 CF images is to put the image into an initrd, and just never free it |
| 22:26.14 | CosmicPenguin | The kernel handles the uncompression, and I don't have to worry about copying crap into the ramdisk after I've booted |
| 22:26.17 | MonMotha | file: the other problem I was having would be that init would get started as process ID 2, which needless to say, it didn't like |
| 22:26.46 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: in this case, i don't want anything left over, i just want to get my network driver and pivot to NFS and continue booting |
| 22:27.08 | MonMotha | gunna use the kernel's NFSROOT support or do it by hand? |
| 22:27.18 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: initrd it is |
| 22:27.30 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: he has a propritary module he has to load |
| 22:27.37 | sjhill | MonMotha: i have to do it by hand |
| 22:28.09 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: shouldn't you still be able to do an nfsroot, just load the initrd, load the module, then pivot over to the nfsroot? |
| 22:28.18 | MonMotha | oh, you can only pivot to mounted fses |
| 22:28.58 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: not to mention that the proprietry driver in question is the ethernet driver.... :) |
| 22:29.12 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: still gets loaded before any fs stuff comes up |
| 22:29.40 | MonMotha | a classic thing to do is to use an initrd to start card services to run / off a CF or PCMCIA card |
| 22:34.39 | kergoth | bleh, i dislike initrd's |
| 22:34.52 | MonMotha | kergoth: as do I, but they can be used to do some really cool things |
| 22:35.18 | kergoth | well, you can do most of those cool things via other methods.. not all, but most :) |
| 22:35.45 | CosmicPenguin | Initrds have their place |
| 22:36.39 | sjhill | okay, so now i totally make an idiot out of myself |
| 22:36.57 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: welcome to the club |
| 22:37.00 | sjhill | linuxrc should be shell script....but it has the pivot_root call done it, right? |
| 22:37.22 | MonMotha | certainly can be |
| 22:37.31 | sjhill | i would have 'insmod drv.o ; dhcpclient eth0 ; pivot_root' done? |
| 22:37.37 | MonMotha | it can also be a binary that calls makes a pivot_root call |
| 22:37.40 | sjhill | well, mount the NFS filesystem too, duh |
| 22:37.43 | MonMotha | that can save you some space |
| 22:37.50 | kergoth | sjhill: man pivot_root |
| 22:37.56 | sjhill | doing that right now |
| 22:37.58 | kergoth | sjhill: sample shell code to do exactly that. |
| 22:37.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:38.43 | sjhill | oh, that's delicious |
| 22:38.48 | sjhill | sweet |
| 22:39.03 | CosmicPenguin | I would do the shell, especially since you need other utilities anyway, you're probably going to have busybox anyway |
| 22:39.10 | sjhill | yep |
| 22:39.58 | sjhill | omg that is beautiful |
| 22:40.50 | MonMotha | yup |
| 22:42.33 | CosmicPenguin | mikey likes it... :) |
| 22:45.39 | TimRiker | Russ: no. have not touched bloc in a while. |
| 22:45.43 | TimRiker | er blob |
| 22:48.03 | chouimat | hi tim |
| 22:56.03 | sjhill_gone | thx guys |